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Teach them How To Study Teaching them to Observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you and behold I am with you all days even to the Consummation

After considering the thought for many might not know the meaning of the Biblical word meaning of the "Consummation".

Consummation​

kon-su-ma'-shun (killayon from kalah): The word, meaning destruction, completion, or failing (Isa 10:23; 28:22; Da 9:27) is translated interchangeably in the King James Version for another Hebrew word referring to a physical disease, and best translated "consumption"; compare Le 26:16; De 28:22. Not used in the Revised Version (British and American). The Hebrew variously but more accurately translated "full end"; compare Da 9:27; Isa 10:23; and "destruction"; compare Isa 10:22; 28:22. There seems therefore to be an inconsistency on the part of both the Authorized and Revised translations.

See a list of verses on CONSUMPTION in the Bible.

Walter G. Clippinger



See the definition of consummation in the KJV Dictionary

See also the McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia.
This is where a fancy schmancy dictionary fails. This word, consummation, has a very, very narrow definition, it's usually used in one specific context - sexual intercourse for a couple on their wedding night.
 
Matthew 28:20
(AMPC) Teaching them to observe everything that I have commanded you, and behold, I am with you all the days (perpetually, uniformly, and on every occasion), to the [very] close and consummation of the age. Amen (so let it be).
(ASV) teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
(BSB) and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
(CSB) teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
(ESV) teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
(GNB) and teach them to obey everything I have commanded you. And I will be with you always, to the end of the age."
(Greek NT) διδάσκοντες αὐτοὺς τηρεῖν πάντα ὅσα ἐνετειλάμην ὑμῖν· καὶ ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ μεθ᾿ ὑμῶν εἰμι πάσας τὰς ἡμέρας ἕως τῆς συντελείας τοῦ αἰῶνος. ἀμήν.
(GW) Teach them to do everything I have commanded you. “And remember that I am always with you until the end of time.”
(HCSB) teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age."
(KJV) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
(MKJV) teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the end of the world. Amen.
(NAS77) teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
(NAS95) teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
(NIrV) Teach them to obey everything I have commanded you. And you can be sure that I am always with you, to the very end."
(NIV) and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
(NKJV) teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
(NLT) Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

It's funny, we have the end of the age, the end of the world, and the end of time. Looking at the Greek here...

αἰών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.
Total KJV occurrences: 128

It seems the accurate translations say "age". A limited period of time. Not forever, but a very long time.

This is a different word from ...

αἰώνιος
aiōnios
ahee-o'-nee-os
From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
Total KJV occurrences: 71

The two words are related, but one is simply a long time.... like 10,000 years.. it's not forever. The other word is literally forever, eternal, non-ending.

But even if we go with the end of the world, there will eventually be a New Heaven and a new Earth, so I take this to mean the end of the "current" Earth.
 
There was a more in-depth study done here, a few years back, but it was about eons and ages in the Bible.

Matt 12:32; "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Matt 13:39; and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.
Matt 13:40; "So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
Matt 13:49; "So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous,
Matt 24:3; As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Matt 28:20; teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
Mark 10:30; but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life.
Luke 16:8; "And his master praised the unrighteous manager because he had acted shrewdly; for the sons of this age are more shrewd in relation to their own kind than the sons of light.
Luke 18:30; who will not receive many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal life."
Luke 20:34; Jesus said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage,
Luke 20:35; but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
1Cor 1:20; Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
1Cor 2:6; Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away;
1Cor 2:8; the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;
1Cor 3:18; Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise.
Gal 1:4; who gave Himself for our sins so that He might rescue us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,
Eph 1:21; far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
Tit 2:12; instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age,
Heb 6:5; and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

The seems there are multiple "ages" (eons) or periods of time in the Bible, much like the secular notions of the stone age, the bronze age, the ice age, the iron age, and the space age.
It also appears there will be another age, after this current age.
 
This is where a fancy schmancy dictionary fails. This word, consummation, has a very, very narrow definition, it's usually used in one specific context - sexual intercourse for a couple on their wedding night.
"Etymology" and "Linguistics" and "Syntax" and all of the different languages and each language have rules and the English language is not the Words of God but only a mere translation substituted words that is trying to repeat What GOD has said by the best ability the language can determine , trying to copy His meaning by its best meaning of communication. trying its best. even creating words to convey in the "Anthropomorphic", a thought what they are thinking what God is trying to say, I am quite sure your Bible says plainly in the introduction preparation, that it is only a Translation. and not "The Real McCoy". of what GOD has said. but trying to give us a thought what he might be trying to say. for that is why it is a Translation. But it still have The POWER to save Sinner just by The Name JESUS written down on Paper, Just that Name written there is all it needs to save Sinners. For There is Power in That Name! whether written down on Toilet paper or spoken into The air waves, the power is in The Name, in any language, and spelled any way, in many sounds, the words where spoken before there was a dictionary or Papyruses, or any paper. His words came by Hearing, he that have ears let him hear, The blind man saw and the man that could not hear, heard. without ears and eyes and they saw and heard too! The LORD was walking The earth. for He spoke to the dead and the dead heard him calling. those who couldn't read understood, those who could not spell understood, those who could not write understood it was The LORD! dictionaries does not matter, Encyclopedias, does not matter, Lexicons do not matter, Languages does not matter, by being blind does not matter, eye sight does not matter, God has sent HIS "SALVATION"! definitions does not matter. for GOD has confounded the wisdom of all mankind.

1 Corinthians 1
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
20Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

22Jews demand signs and Greeks search for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,c 24but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom,d and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.

Wisdom from God
26Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast in His presence.

30It is because of Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God: our righteousness, holiness, and redemption. 31Therefore, as it is written: “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.”e

When he comes back and set up His Kingdom, no more need for churches. pastors, minsters or prophets dictionaries, schools, libraries internets corporations, or religious leaders or police, for he is already begin to tear these institutions down. he will level it all to the ground! no more schools no more churches. no more prophets and he will rule with a "IRON ROD" and dash rejectors to pieces! His eyes will be like Flames of Fire and HIS WORDS AS a SWORD ! He will be a RULING KING! no compromise he will not be ruling in LOVE but a "IRON ROD" dashing people to pieces.

PSALM 2 KJV
4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: The LORD shall have them in derision.
5Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure...ff.
9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

So in essence dictionaries do not mean anything. only for the sinner, it has no meaning but to prove the sinners arguments and points. to show how intelligent he is. the Bible said: they could tell that they where ignorant men, but they could tell that they had been with The LORD. and these people did not know GOD. or who the Son of God really was.


American Standard Version ACTS 14
"Now when they beheld the boldness of Peter and John, and had perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus."


So the dictionaries definitions are known, so we can confound the wisdom of the wise and out "GUN THEM"! at "High Noon":) For so did "Thomas Aquinas" and Apostle Paul a Pharisee of All Pharisees.

So now would you think . what will be shaken will be shaken. and the dictionaries will be shaken they mean nothing the day welcome none of Them will exists in His Kingdom that is coming to earth. so like the Word of God has said for us, to set our Minds in The eternals and not the things on earth such as dictionaries, For we who are His, are beyond them. They are for the use with conveying with "SINNERS". they mean absolutely nothing to us.:pensive:

For we are "The Sons of The LIVING GOD" who have been, "BORN OF GOD" and not of the Flesh. for we have had a "Heavenly Birth" and not by The will Man, But of GOD. and this whole world have no idea who we really are.:pensive: the scientists, the Rulers of this world, and all of the highest of all Intelligence have No idea who we are! For we are not like the people of This world for we are Different and Not born here, on this planet! For we are a different kind of Creatures than all humanity! our language is different. Born of His Spirit and wash in His blood. for he is our BROTHER in Living Color! we are just waiting for our Coronation and our brand new Body that looks just like HIM IN HIS EXACT IMAGE. THE VERY IMAGE OF GOD! and not the image of a man. But in the very image of The SON of GOD! with the same body that he has, "that eyes have not seen" and greater works we will do than what he has done! he created all creation, Jesus did and we shall do greater works than He! and "The James Webb Telescope" have not seen the works that Jesus has already done! and we will do greater works than Jesus!


American Standard Version
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto the Father."
13And Whatsoever Ye Shall Ask In My Name, That Will I Do, That The Father May Be Glorified In The Son. 14If Ye Shall Ask Anything In My Name, That Will I Do.
ANYTHING? That day will come! ANYTHING you ask GOD HE WILL DO IT! and believe me it will happen and it will not be nothing of This WORLD or this planet! or Universe! But it will be in Eternity and where there is no end.
There is no limit What GOD CAN DO! heaven and earth is nothing what GOD can do! for God cannot run out of the rooms in ETERNITY! for there is no end! there is no boundaries. for each one of us! For compared to what Jesus has already done. what Jesus has created in the universe is nothing compared to what we will do in
eternity!

Now tell me is the suffering of this present world worth it? is the forsaking of the things of this world worth it, is committing adultery and fornication and lying and stealing and bearing false witness worth it! what profits a man to win the world and loose his soul or profits a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul? For it is our Fathers good pleasure to give us The KINGDOM of GOD a Kingdom not made with hands! A Kingdom That Cannot Grow Old or fade away. A Kingdom Beyond Time!

A shared Inheritance with Jesus The Christ of GOD, an equal share. and the Right to Call "GOD" Father! oh you don't hear me. Others will call him "GOD" but we "The Sons of GOD" will call Him FATHER! and we will Rule with HIM, The SON, you do not hear me! For many do Not understand this! because the world and the things of this world have so got them occupied the world have them so occupied that they cannot see "THE TRUTH". for men love Darkness rather than LIGHT, men love this WORLD rather Than LIGHT they Love this darkness and the things in it.:pensive:
 
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"Etymology" and "Linguistics" and "Syntax" and all of the different languages and each language have rules and the English language is not the Words of God but only a mere translation substituted words that is trying to repeat What GOD has said by the best ability the language can determine , trying to copy His meaning by its best meaning of communication. trying its best. even creating words to convey in the "Anthropomorphic", a thought what they are thinking what God is trying to say, I am quite sure your Bible says plainly in the introduction preparation, that it is only a Translation. and not "The Real McCoy". of what GOD has said. but trying to give us a thought what he might be trying to say. for that is why it is a Translation. But it still have The POWER to save Sinner just by The Name JESUS written down on Paper, Just that Name written there is all it needs to save Sinners. For There is Power in That Name! whether written down on Toilet paper or spoken into The air waves, the power is in The Name, in any language, and spelled any way, in many sounds, the words where spoken before there was a dictionary or Papyruses, or any paper. His words came by Hearing, he that have ears let him hear, The blind man saw and the man that could not hear, heard. without ears and eyes and they saw and heard too! The LORD was walking The earth. for He spoke to the dead and the dead heard him calling. those who couldn't read understood, those who could not spell understood, those who could not write understood it was The LORD! dictionaries does not matter, Encyclopedias, does not matter, Lexicons do not matter, Languages does not matter, by being blind does not matter, eye sight does not matter, God has sent HIS "SALVATION"! definitions does not matter. for GOD has confounded the wisdom of all mankind.

1 Corinthians 1
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
20Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

22Jews demand signs and Greeks search for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,c 24but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom,d and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.

Wisdom from God
26Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast in His presence.

30It is because of Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God: our righteousness, holiness, and redemption. 31Therefore, as it is written: “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.”e

When he comes back and set up His Kingdom, no more need for churches. pastors, minsters or prophets dictionaries, schools, libraries internets corporations, or religious leaders or police, for he is already begin to tear these institutions down. he will level it all to the ground! no more schools no more churches. no more prophets and he will rule with a "IRON ROD" and dash rejectors to pieces! His eyes will be like Flames of Fire and HIS WORDS AS a SWORD ! He will be a RULING KING! no compromise he will not be ruling in LOVE but a "IRON ROD" dashing people to pieces.

PSALM 2 KJV
4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: The LORD shall have them in derision.
5Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure...ff.
9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

So in essence dictionaries do not mean anything. only for the sinner, it has no meaning but to prove the sinners arguments and points. to show how intelligent he is. the Bible said: they could tell that they where ignorant men, but they could tell that they had been with The LORD. and these people did not know GOD. or who the Son of God really was.


American Standard Version ACTS 14
"Now when they beheld the boldness of Peter and John, and had perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus."


So the dictionaries definitions are known, so we can confound the wisdom of the wise and out "GUN THEM"! at "High Noon":) For so did "Thomas Aquinas" and Apostle Paul a Pharisee of All Pharisees.

So now would you think . what will be shaken will be shaken. and the dictionaries will be shaken they mean nothing the day welcome none of Them will exists in His Kingdom that is coming to earth. so like the Word of God has said for us, to set our Minds in The eternals and not the things on earth such as dictionaries, For we who are His, are beyond them. They are for the use with conveying with "SINNERS". they mean absolutely nothing to us.:pensive:

For we are "The Sons of The LIVING GOD" who have been, "BORN OF GOD" and not of the Flesh. for we have had a "Heavenly Birth" and not by The will Man, But of GOD. and this whole world have no idea who we really are.:pensive: the scientists, the Rulers of this world, and all of the highest of all Intelligence have No idea who we are! For we are not like the people of This world for we are Different and Not born here, on this planet! For we are a different kind of Creatures than all humanity! our language is different. Born of His Spirit and wash in His blood. for he is our BROTHER in Living Color! we are just waiting for our Coronation and our brand new Body that looks just like HIM IN HIS EXACT IMAGE. THE VERY IMAGE OF GOD! and not the image of a man. But in the very image of The SON of GOD! with the same body that he has, "that eyes have not seen" and greater works we will do than what he has done! he created all creation, Jesus did and we shall do greater works than He! and "The James Webb Telescope" have not seen the works that Jesus has already done! and we will do greater works than Jesus!


American Standard Version
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto the Father."
13And Whatsoever Ye Shall Ask In My Name, That Will I Do, That The Father May Be Glorified In The Son. 14If Ye Shall Ask Anything In My Name, That Will I Do.
ANYTHING? That day will come! ANYTHING you ask GOD HE WILL DO IT! and believe me it will happen and it will not be nothing of This WORLD or this planet! or Universe! But it will be in Eternity and where there is no end.
There is no limit What GOD CAN DO! heaven and earth is nothing what GOD can do! for God cannot run out of the rooms in ETERNITY! for there is no end! there is no boundaries. for each one of us! For compared to what Jesus has already done. what Jesus has created in the universe is nothing compared to what we will do in
eternity!

Now tell me is the suffering of this present world worth it? is the forsaking of the things of this world worth it, is committing adultery and fornication and lying and stealing and bearing false witness worth it! what profits a man to win the world and loose his soul or profits a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul? For it is our Fathers good pleasure to give us The KINGDOM of GOD a Kingdom not made with hands! A Kingdom That Cannot Grow Old or fade away. A Kingdom Beyond Time!

A shared Inheritance with Jesus The Christ of GOD, an equal share. and the Right to Call "GOD" Father! oh you don't hear me. Others will call him "GOD" but we "The Sons of GOD" will call Him FATHER! and we will Rule with HIM, The SON, you do not hear me! For many do Not understand this! because the world and the things of this world have so got them occupied the world have them so occupied that they cannot see "THE TRUTH". for men love Darkness rather than LIGHT, men love this WORLD rather Than LIGHT they Love this darkness and the things in it.:pensive:
Thanks, I'm well aware of the fact that although the bible is the infallable word inspired by God, translations are not. If I ask a pastor which version I should read, the most honest answer always is, whatever version I'm interested at and willing to read, so I'll take what I can get.
 
Thanks, I'm well aware of the fact that although the bible is the infallable word inspired by God, translations are not. If I ask a pastor which version I should read, the most honest answer always is, whatever version I'm interested at and willing to read, so I'll take what I can get.
I believe that "Translations" have Enough Power to Accomplish GOD"S purpose and That Translations are or is "THE WORD of GOD" without error, no matter which Version they are. But A "Paraphrase" is different matter. But I do still believe That "GOD" is the One That saves. even through the pages of "Tom Sawyer's "Huckleberry Finn". For HE has No Limited to what HE does. So am I not concern about a Mere Translation. a Paraphrase, a "Codex" no I am Not, to me it does not Matter, whether it is a Translation or a Paraphrase version. Let the all others worry and fight concerning such matters, for I am not that kind of scholarly critic, or schooled in the arts of "Biblical Apologetics" and do not want to be,

For GOD called me and Chose me, I did not call Him or Chose Him. So it does not matter to me. Let The world decide what they want, to be truthful and speak the truth, BUT me, "I do not care what they the world BelieveS", For I am nothing but a "Witness" concerning what GOD has DONE to me. Personal what to do and that is "Personal" between HIM and Me alone. So each man or women work Out of Their Own "SALVATION" according to their Personal relationship with "The Lord Jesus Christ" for it is a Personal Calling, When He called me He called me By MY NAME in "March in 1977" and I saw His Face with tears in His eyes and Blood running down HIS face with a Great Sadness and while looking in HIS EYES and hearing HIS voice I cried too! And since that day over 44 years ago I have not been the Same. "THEOLOGIANS" CALL IT A "THEOPHANY" A MIRACULOUS Conversion" have never even heard such a thing. They told me what had happen to me. That was witness by 100's right in front of their faces, the saved and the unsaved witness my "Conversion and was not a member of any church, It was called by many a "Damascus Road Conversion".

So does it matter to me whether a "translation or version" My GOD let me know what He wants me to Know every day, without asking and seeking, I pick up the Book and read and I listen and He speaks and Speaks to me and those messages are for me and me alone. and In that, I am satisfied, He called me I did not call Him. I am not concern with a pastor, priest, deacon a church or any kind of denominations, for I am not like others, For JESUS is ENOUGH for me and "Christ ALONE, For GOD ALONE is enough. and that I am satisfied and content. and my contentment In Christ makes many People mad and angry!

because I do not walk the same path as others. for "The PARAKLETOS" is my companion. and so far I am please.

So I can understand your Dilemma for I have engage many through my years of such people in "Christianity" first it was hard for many years Then as growth occurred and sound belief took hold I do understand that we all are not the same. For each "Brick" is molded by GOD the Father for its place in The Unity of The Eternal Family of GOD. that is being design and being shape for "ETERNITY" and Not The EARTH that lies in "Temporary".

So let us all rejoice, and never complain, and say:

Isaiah 45:9
Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker--one clay pot among many. Does the clay ask the potter, 'What are you making?' Does your work say, 'He has no hands'?

Even more bolder was The Apostle who wrote this words in the Writings Of The New Testament words:
NASB 1977
On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it?



None of us have any complaints how we are form.

It is God who gives the Increase and not The will and The intelligence of men.

Shalom, and rejoice, that your name is written down in Heaven.
 
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I believe that "Translations" have Enough Power to Accomplish GOD"S purpose and That Translations are or is "THE WORD of GOD" without error, no matter which Version they are. But A "Paraphrase" is different matter. But I do still believe That "GOD" is the One That saves. even through the pages of "Tom Sawyer's "Huckleberry Finn". For HE has No Limited to what HE does. So am I not concern about a Mere Translation. a Paraphrase, a "Codex" no I am Not, to me it does not Matter, whether it is a Translation or a Paraphrase version. Let the all others worry and fight concerning such matters, for I am not that kind of scholarly critic, or schooled in the arts of "Biblical Apologetics" and do not want to be,

For GOD called me and Chose me, I did not call Him or Chose Him. So it does not matter to me. Let The world decide what they want, to be truthful and speak the truth, BUT me, "I do not care what they the world BelieveS", For I am nothing but a "Witness" concerning what GOD has DONE to me. Personal what to do and that is "Personal" between HIM and Me alone. So each man or women work Out of Their Own "SALVATION" according to their Personal relationship with "The Lord Jesus Christ" for it is a Personal Calling, When He called me He called me By MY NAME in "March in 1977" and I saw His Face with tears in His eyes and Blood running down HIS face with a Great Sadness and while looking in HIS EYES and hearing HIS voice I cried too! And since that day over 44 years ago I have not been the Same. "THEOLOGIANS" CALL IT A "THEOPHANY" A MIRACULOUS Conversion" have never even heard such a thing. They told me what had happen to me. That was witness by 100's right in front of their faces, the saved and the unsaved witness my "Conversion and was not a member of any church, It was called by many a "Damascus Road Conversion".

So does it matter to me whether a "translation or version" My GOD let me know what He wants me to Know every day, without asking and seeking, I pick up the Book and read and I listen and He speaks and Speaks to me and those messages are for me and me alone. and In that, I am satisfied, He called me I did not call Him. I am not concern with a pastor, priest, deacon a church or any kind of denominations, for I am not like others, For JESUS is ENOUGH for me and "Christ ALONE, For GOD ALONE is enough. and that I am satisfied and content. and my contentment In Christ makes many People mad and angry!

because I do not walk the same path as others. for "The PARAKLETOS" is my companion. and so far I am please.

So I can understand your Dilemma for I have engage many through my years of such people in "Christianity" first it was hard for many years Then as growth occurred and sound belief took hold I do understand that we all are not the same. For each "Brick" is molded by GOD the Father for its place in The Unity of The Eternal Family of GOD. that is being design and being shape for "ETERNITY" and Not The EARTH that lies in "Temporary".

So let us all rejoice, and never complain, and say:

Isaiah 45:9
Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker--one clay pot among many. Does the clay ask the potter, 'What are you making?' Does your work say, 'He has no hands'?

Even more bolder was The Apostle who wrote this words in the Writings Of The New Testament words:
NASB 1977
On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it?



None of us have any complaints how we are form.

It is God who gives the Increase and not The will and The intelligence of men.

Shalom, and rejoice, that your name is written down in Heaven.
Translations DO have errors and discrepancies, the deeper you dig in, the more you'll find, but as I said and as you've admitted, whatever bible version is, as long as it puts you on the right track towards God, it has enough power to accomplish God's purpose, even if it just puts you in square one, and a good translation may give you a head start compared to a bad one. God will send good teachers and use available sources in your life to guide you along the way, as He sent Phillip to guide the Ethiopian Eunuch, the first Christian convert - “Do you understand what you read?” "How can I, unless someone guides me?" Therefore I've never had this "dilemma", the bible alone should not be worshipped as an idol, we're not expected to understand it on our own, but follow the Holy Spirit wherever He leads, and the truth will set me free.
 
Translations DO have errors and discrepancies, the deeper you dig in, the more you'll find, but as I said and as you've admitted, whatever bible version is, as long as it puts you on the right track towards God, it has enough power to accomplish God's purpose, even if it just puts you in square one, and a good translation may give you a head start compared to a bad one. God will send good teachers and use available sources in your life to guide you along the way, as He sent Phillip to guide the Ethiopian Eunuch, the first Christian convert - “Do you understand what you read?” "How can I, unless someone guides me?" Therefore I've never had this "dilemma", the bible alone should not be worshipped as an idol, we're not expected to understand it on our own, but follow the Holy Spirit wherever He leads, and the truth will set me free.
The Bible has no power. The Bible cannot open the eyes of the blind. The Bible cannot reveal the truths of GOD, Man cannot teach anything about GOD.
The Bible have no healing "Prescription potions" in it. the Bible is A Book, more of a history book if anything. from The beginning of Creation to The End of all creation. It tells a story, it is Book. plain and simple it has no magic spells in it. it is A "BOOK". You read it. you do not teach it you read. it. or listen to another person read it. and you listen. Plain and simple. "For GOD does speak in a unknown tongue. If you do not know the language of a book you get a translator to translate it for you, into your own language. For that is why it is translated into your language so you can read it. That is why in English language speaking countries, you went to school to learn your "ABC'S" so you can read your own Bible. and no one can fool you, in The name of JESUS!

And now days God has made sure there are audio bibles of all kinds even free copies, the Bible is being read, like it should be done. Free of charge. :eyes: it does not cost you a dime to know what GOD has said. you do not have to put nothing in offering plate and pay rent parking space for a church pew. to listen to somebody talk. and God had not said nothing of those things coming out their mouths in the name of Jesus! nothing but a bunch of "Hypocrites" telling lies in the name of JESUS! and they sure do not want you to read the Bible for themselves they want to to each the "regurgitation" that is coming out of their mouths. "The Book of EZEKIEL" ASV or pre-1967 KJV Oxford Edition or "NIV pre 1984". or 'RSV Harper Collins pre- 1980", 1971 preferred.

That is why the school systems was created in The America's so a child could read the Bible and read it to their parents, until commerce took over. You read it! and God by himself Teach you what he wants you to know, You listen. How simple is that! that is why GOD spoke in the common man's ghetto language! "The Simplicity in Christ"
That a mere ploughboy could understand. and you need not a prophet or preacher or priest. "So many strain at a gnat and swallow a camel"!

New American Standard Bible
And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
 
The Bible has no power. The Bible cannot open the eyes of the blind. The Bible cannot reveal the truths of GOD, Man cannot teach anything about GOD.
The Bible have no healing "Prescription potions" in it. the Bible is A Book, more of a history book if anything. from The beginning of Creation to The End of all creation. It tells a story, it is Book. plain and simple it has no magic spells in it. it is A "BOOK". You read it. you do not teach it you read. it. or listen to another person read it. and you listen. Plain and simple. "For GOD does speak in a unknown tongue. If you do not know the language of a book you get a translator to translate it for you, into your own language. For that is why it is translated into your language so you can read it. That is why in English language speaking countries, you went to school to learn your "ABC'S" so you can read your own Bible. and no one can fool you, in The name of JESUS!

And now days God has made sure there are audio bibles of all kinds even free copies, the Bible is being read, like it should be done. Free of charge. :eyes: it does not cost you a dime to know what GOD has said. you do not have to put nothing in offering plate and pay rent parking space for a church pew. to listen to somebody talk. and God had not said nothing of those things coming out their mouths in the name of Jesus! nothing but a bunch of "Hypocrites" telling lies in the name of JESUS! and they sure do not want you to read the Bible for themselves they want to to each the "regurgitation" that is coming out of their mouths. "The Book of EZEKIEL" ASV or pre-1967 KJV Oxford Edition or "NIV pre 1984". or 'RSV Harper Collins pre- 1980", 1971 preferred.

That is why the school systems was created in The America's so a child could read the Bible and read it to their parents, until commerce took over. You read it! and God by himself Teach you what he wants you to know, You listen. How simple is that! that is why GOD spoke in the common man's ghetto language! "The Simplicity in Christ"
That a mere ploughboy could understand. and you need not a prophet or preacher or priest. "So many strain at a gnat and swallow a camel"!

New American Standard Bible
And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
The bible DOES reveal the truth, otherwise you're doomed to fall into the evolutionary worldview, that's what I was being fed with from the commie educational system. Nothing but the bible told me that God created the universe in seven days, all other revelations such as DNA but confirm that as testimonies.
 
The bible DOES reveal the truth, otherwise you're doomed to fall into the evolutionary worldview, that's what I was being fed with from the commie educational system. Nothing but the bible told me that God created the universe in seven days, all other revelations such as DNA but confirm that as testimonies.
ok what ever you say, ok, because I wish I could tell the truth how I feel about this whole conversation, I am retired, for at least since about 2017. I been on this journey concerning the Gospel according to Jesus Christ, since 1977 and now I am very old. and have forgotten what many know. and I am done with it all, and waiting to death come or Jesus returns first and I am happy been bless for almost 50 years in the ministries and I have finish my course. and have watch many come and fall and get up. and watch many ministries and religious people crash and fall. and I have bury some, Eulogize some even my own father and my Brother bury and eulogize our mother and I have married some and Baptize some and have given last rights, right before they have died and breathe their last breath. and I am tired and old, and have preach and lecture and wrote more Biblical essays than I cannot remember.

I like going to sleep at night and dreaming about The Word of GOD and getting up in the morning and saying by prayers and having no where to go. Even on a Sunday Morning. But mediating on My LORD, I have had 6 grown children and the oldest is dead, and all of them are on their own. And I am waiting for "The Ship of ZION". and I am tired of this evil world that is going backwards and the Falling away has happen years ago and right now GOD is Judging the WORLD and GOD is in a "Benevolent way" reshaping it in His on way. By shaking it up. I see the "Degradation" I been here in the church for many years I see the downfall of 100's of Ministries. I have see the many corruptions of "The Pentecostal's churches and leaders" The Southern Baptist churches" the Methodist Churches and their leaders" "The Orthodox Baptists" , "The National Baptists" "The Progressive National Baptist Conventional " "The Church of God and Christ Churches", and the leaderships, "The Word of Faith Churches" The 7th Day Adventist, I know them all 1st. hand and not word of Mouth! I been here up front for almost 50 years! I see the crumbling and saw the fall coming before it happen. I studied translations; when is was only, about 4 translations and only one "Paraphrase". page by page. I am not a jack leg bible student, Who was taught by a church! and a Sunday school or Wednesday night bible teacher. and I hardly went to one of those classes to be trained by a want to be, . because they paid a tithe, that is a lie! Pay to play, pay to teach and pay to preach and to sit in the chief seats in the Churches and be called "pastor" and Minster MaryANN". I been here a long time. have done revival services Preached all week long the Bible verbatim and word for WORD and not my input. Or how I think. Because I knew know better and didn't know any better.


And now I am done, for A young man is for war and the old man is for counsel , because he, the old man, have been in many "Spiritual Battles and Spiritual Wars, and been Spiritual Wounded and recovered many times and made many "Spiritual Mistakes", He has the "Spiritual War Wounds" and " Spiritual Scars" and "The limp" to prove it. His wounds have come from Demons and Devils! Th real ones! even self inflicted cuts and Wounds from The Double Edge Sword He was swinging!! because it was sharp and many times He had to Grab The Blade instead of The Handle because the fightings were fierce!:sob:


Oh I had some brothers in Christ we used to talk about those battles and laugh, about how painful it was! and we still could laugh about it!

Wounded and in despair but still we could laugh.

I am in Agreement with "The Chicago Statement of Bible Inerrancy" in which I have posted on "TalkJESUS" so everyone knows exactly where I stand of Biblical inerrancy" so there is no doubt, where I stand. just take the time out to read the statement in its entirety. it covers evert point.
 
I have been under the masters whip!

Luke 12:47
That servant who knows his master's will but does not get ready or follow his instructions will be beaten with many blows.


For Apostle Paul have been under the whip too!
Paul's Suffering and Service
…23Are they servants of Christ? I am speaking like I am out of my mind, but I am so much more: in harder labor, in more imprisonments, in worse beatings, in frequent danger of death. 24Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked. I spent a night and a day in the open sea.

Every Son of God goes under the whip of the Father for discipline, every Son he receives. For GOD trains them and corrects them By the whip! in other words when he says something He means it, and you learn quick! When the devil whips you, it ain't to bad. But When Your Father, Puts that whip on You. The devil runs and hide!

You ain't going to do that again when he tells you to do something He does not have to tell you twice!:sob: and you will not give Him any back talk!

I remember one time I ask Him why me? He said Why Not you? You belong to me, I bought you with a price!:sob: He was not playing!
 
ok what ever you say, ok, because I wish I could tell the truth how I feel about this whole conversation, I am retired, for at least since about 2017. I been on this journey concerning the Gospel according to Jesus Christ, since 1977 and now I am very old. and have forgotten what many know. and I am done with it all, and waiting to death come or Jesus returns first and I am happy been bless for almost 50 years in the ministries and I have finish my course. and have watch many come and fall and get up. and watch many ministries and religious people crash and fall. and I have bury some, Eulogize some even my own father and my Brother bury and eulogize our mother and I have married some and Baptize some and have given last rights, right before they have died and breathe their last breath. and I am tired and old, and have preach and lecture and wrote more Biblical essays than I cannot remember.

I like going to sleep at night and dreaming about The Word of GOD and getting up in the morning and saying by prayers and having no where to go. Even on a Sunday Morning. But mediating on My LORD, I have had 6 grown children and the oldest is dead, and all of them are on their own. And I am waiting for "The Ship of ZION". and I am tired of this evil world that is going backwards and the Falling away has happen years ago and right now GOD is Judging the WORLD and GOD is in a "Benevolent way" reshaping it in His on way. By shaking it up. I see the "Degradation" I been here in the church for many years I see the downfall of 100's of Ministries. I have see the many corruptions of "The Pentecostal's churches and leaders" The Southern Baptist churches" the Methodist Churches and their leaders" "The Orthodox Baptists" , "The National Baptists" "The Progressive National Baptist Conventional " "The Church of God and Christ Churches", and the leaderships, "The Word of Faith Churches" The 7th Day Adventist, I know them all 1st. hand and not word of Mouth! I been here up front for almost 50 years! I see the crumbling and saw the fall coming before it happen. I studied translations; when is was only, about 4 translations and only one "Paraphrase". page by page. I am not a jack leg bible student, Who was taught by a church! and a Sunday school or Wednesday night bible teacher. and I hardly went to one of those classes to be trained by a want to be, . because they paid a tithe, that is a lie! Pay to play, pay to teach and pay to preach and to sit in the chief seats in the Churches and be called "pastor" and Minster MaryANN". I been here a long time. have done revival services Preached all week long the Bible verbatim and word for WORD and not my input. Or how I think. Because I knew know better and didn't know any better.


And now I am done, for A young man is for war and the old man is for counsel , because he, the old man, have been in many "Spiritual Battles and Spiritual Wars, and been Spiritual Wounded and recovered many times and made many "Spiritual Mistakes", He has the "Spiritual War Wounds" and " Spiritual Scars" and "The limp" to prove it. His wounds have come from Demons and Devils! Th real ones! even self inflicted cuts and Wounds from The Double Edge Sword He was swinging!! because it was sharp and many times He had to Grab The Blade instead of The Handle because the fightings were fierce!:sob:


Oh I had some brothers in Christ we used to talk about those battles and laugh, about how painful it was! and we still could laugh about it!

Wounded and in despair but still we could laugh.

I am in Agreement with "The Chicago Statement of Bible Inerrancy" in which I have posted on "TalkJESUS" so everyone knows exactly where I stand of Biblical inerrancy" so there is no doubt, where I stand. just take the time out to read the statement in its entirety. it covers evert point.
Sir, you're lucky if all you've said is true, growing up as a boomer in the post WWII era of prosperity and peace, life was so simple and natural back then, and you were blessed with the opportunity to encounter the Lord. Now everything is down in the gutter, everything I've once held dear has turned into abomination. Indeed, God is judging the world, we're definitely living in the end times.
 
Sir, you're lucky if all you've said is true, growing up as a boomer in the post WWII era of prosperity and peace, life was so simple and natural back then, and you were blessed with the opportunity to encounter the Lord. Now everything is down in the gutter, everything I've once held dear has turned into abomination. Indeed, God is judging the world, we're definitely living in the end times.
if you called this lucky, I call it sorrows and great pain following Jesus causes great scars and wounds even death. that nothing can be compared to it, "The Via Dolorosa" no one in their right minds would take up this route. "Take up your Cross and Follow me" no way would and humans take up this path.

7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Paul said: 1 Corinthians 11
1Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4 BSB
…15Even if you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16Therefore I urge you to imitate me.17That is why I have sent you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which is exactly what I teach everywhere in every church.


New American Standard Bible 2 Corinthians 11
Are they servants of Christ?—I am speaking as if insane—I more so; in far more labors, in far more imprisonments, beaten times without number, often in danger of death.

True Christians are called by God to died violent deaths. we are called to die and lay down our life, we are called to be mistreated, laugh at and spit upon and receive these as joy. and to be called everything But A "Child of The Living GOD" this is our calling, To be a "Witness" a Martyred. This taught though out the New Testament teaching, for we are called to suffer and be mistreated and rejected by all men and take it as joy. Now that is the Life of a "True Child of the Living GOD":pensive: And you call that being "lucky".


"For The LORD MAKES me Lie down in Green Pastures, HIS Rod and HIS STAFF comforts me! the rod is for beating and the STAFF has a hook that places around my neck and drags me, is my comfort. "For no man can come to the SON unless The FATHER DRAGS him"


NASB 1977
“No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me [drags] draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

No ones wants to go this way or travel this path, For those who travels this path are Chosen but many are called..

Who would dare take this path on their own, "Count the cost" you have been called to die, you have been called to suffer great sorrows and pain and the whole world will hate you is a "Promise" and GOD does not lie.:sob: many of people and christians have met. worldly troubles given to us by the world, and have suffered from all kinds of sickness, for many christians have suffer by desirers of The flesh of temptations. But the Majority of christians have not met That DEVIL! and felt His Claws and His Talons stick in and gripped your very Soul! and hold you down The greatness of DARKNESS, Dark and Dreary cold and wet The darkness so Thick you cannot even hear you own voice and walking around in pure daylight on earth! That spiritual Creature! Once You have, You know this is not a Game! You will Learn The Voice of GOD without error!:sob::sob::sob: You going to learn that voice in the dark!:sob: "The DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL" for 4=5 years, it was Dark and held down in The Dungeon of Dark Chains and walking in The daylight, Being Trained By "GOD" you are going to know my VOICE and without a doubt and you will obey. You are going to Know that "I AM GOD"! Yes sir, yes LORD, yes LORD.:sob: How long LORD, How LONG? Until I say Jump and you know how high without asking me, You will know IAM "GOD"! and no one else you will follow, no man, no woman or beast! you will not pleas another human being when I get through with you, for I have bought you with a price and you do not belong to yourself A slave knows who HIS LORD is A SLAVe Knows Whois "MASTER" is and A slave will not obey another, For A Slave obey's his LORD and does What his Masters tells Him to do!

In this walk you will lose many battles, The victory comes in defeats victory comes in Dying daily, Many scars you will receive in this walk. the Oil have to be pour on you many days for you to recover from the battles wounds and to get up fromThe Grave. Inflicted from all 3 fronts, for we are at war! and must put on The Full Armor of GOD! for many have died on this battle field. For Blood has been shed And the earth is crying out from the time of Cain and ABEL! For your tears will be many!


NASB 1977 Galatians 4:1
"Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is owner of everything,":pensive:


NASB 1977 Isaiah 54:13
“And all your sons will be taught of the LORD; And the well-being of your sons will be great.:pensive:

NASB 1977 Hebrews 12:6
FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES.”


if you are truly one of the true sons of GOD, he trains you by" TEARING THAT BEHIND UP! And the devil start shaking when he sees what God is doing to you and he runs and hide! and wipe his eyebrows and says: "WOW I would had more mercy on him than that'!o_O God tears your behind up, so you will not forget! and be condemn with this world! He can kill you and make you wish you was dead and bring you back!:worried: and no one can know, but you, what he has done, only you!:sob: Many think they know The Power of GOD, after we have been in ETERNITY for over a "MILLION Earth Past LIGHT YEARS" in "Anthropomorphic" terms, we still will not even have reached the knowledge size of " The spectacle size of a grind of Salt" and have been learning about HIM ever moment in ETERNITY about "OUR FATHER." and We are The Sons of GOD that Inherit all that He has, we have Inherit it all! Your human mind cannot go there! "The finite cannot comprehend The Infinite" for "The Infinite is Incomprehensible to the Finite mind" Yeh! Look what The SON of GOD has Done In The Person of "Christ Jesus" who is Our LORD, "The LORD of LORDS", The KING of KINGS"
of The Kingdom of KINGS and PRIEST" A ROYAL BrotherHOOD all "Born of God " Heavenly Born, not of flesh and BLOOD and not of a Man, But of GOD!:)
 
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2 Samuel 7:14
I will be his Father, and he will be My son. When he does wrong, I will discipline him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men.

Psalm 94:12
Blessed is the man You discipline, O LORD, and teach from Your law,

Psalm 118:18
The LORD disciplined me severely, but He has not given me over to death.

NASB 1977
But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord in order that we may not be condemned along with the world.:pensive:

[Lord put the whip to my back and correct me and leave me not into the hands of man.:pensive:]

NASB 1977 2 Samuel 24:14
Then David said to Gad, “I am in great distress. Let us now fall into the hand of the LORD for His mercies are great, but do not let me fall into the hand of man.”
 
I remember this one, going through "The Dark Night of The Soul":sob:
" I cried unto the LORD and He heard My Cry" yes LORD!

Jeremiah 31:18
"I have surely heard Ephraim's moaning: 'You disciplined me severely, like an untrained calf. Restore me, that I may return, for You are the LORD my God.":sob:

He was tearing my behind up! when The Lord is whipping that Hiney, You run to Him and not away from Him, You run to him and wrap you arms around his leg and ride His shoes you get so close to Him you cannot slip off! and "plea" LORD forgive me I am sorry I ain't going do to do it any more, I was wrong, what every you tell me I will do it Then, Please help me "JESUS" , Teach me LORD how to fear you, so I will not be do that that anymore.:sob: help me Jesus, GOD the Father is tearing my behind up, "SAVE me JESUS"! Father is killing me, it will be alright He loves you, if he kills you, he will bring you back:sob: He bought me back!:sob: it is funny now, but when God the Father is whipping that behind it is not funny. The demons and The devil run and hide!:sob:

JOB:
…10He tears me down on every side until I am gone; He uproots my hope like a tree. 11His anger burns against me, and He counts me among His enemies. 12His troops advance together; they construct a ramp against me and encamp around my tent.…"

New American Standard Bible 1 Corinthians 11:32
"But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world"

New American Standard Bible
The LORD has disciplined me severely, But He has not turned me over to death.
King James Bible
For all the day long have I been plagued, and chastened every morning.

Ecclesiastes 8:14
There is a futility that is done on the earth: There are righteous men who get what the actions of the wicked deserve, and there are wicked men who get what the actions of the righteous deserve. I say that this too is futile.

Psalm 34:19
Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.

Psalm 94:12
Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;


"As I walked through the valley's of The shadows of Death" you was with me when I thought you were not"


I am tired.:sob: Apostle Paul cried out "For I am ROMAN" I was Born a Roman, in other words I am tired of getting whip that "Roman whip"of "Cat of nine Tails", I appeal to Caesar! He did not say: "I am A Christian" today , he said "I Am ROMAN":sob: I am tired of that "WHIP"!:sob:
 
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