The Case for a Post Trib Rapture

[Gerbolski]

Isa 66:15-21
(15) For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
(16) For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
(17) They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
(18) For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
(19) And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
(20) And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
(21) And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.

The things mentioned from verses 18 to 21, are events that immediately follow the second coming.

After it mentions these preceding events, God mentions the new earth.

Isa 66:22
(22) For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

The New Jerusalem comes on the new earth, and not the millennial earth.

Rev 21:1-2
(1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
(2) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[B-A-C]

The things mentioned from verses 18 to 21, are events that immediately follow the second coming.

Yes, the ONLY second coming.

 

[Gerbolski]

Yep one second coming, were he comes on earth, and one were he comes but not on earth, to receive believers in the air, were they come to be with him were he came from, which is heaven.

 

[B-A-C]

were they come to be with him were he came from, which is heaven.

Were does it say that? Does it say armies, or humans/saints? Are you adding something that isn't there?

But lets go with this, and say you're right. Even if these are humans... how do you explain...

When does Satan and his army get destroyed, before or after the millennial reign? When does the millennal reign happen?
Before or after the tribulation?

 

[Gerbolski]

Were does it say that? Does it say armies, or humans/saints? Are you adding something that isn't there?

But lets go with this, and say you're right.

When does Satan and his army get destroyed, before or after the millennial reign? When does the millennal reign happen?
Before or after the tribulation?

I compared scripture with scripture that shows the word saints on both Revelations and Jude, and who gets clothed with linen which represents the righteousness of the saints, well the saints.

And Jude is another witness to what it says in Revelations.

The millennial reign happens after the 7 year tribulation, and Satan gets cast in the bottomless pit for the 1000 year reign, and gets loosed for a little season, and then receives his final judgment.

 

[B-A-C]

shows the word saints on both Revelations and Jude,

By all means,please post verses and translation. I would like to see this.

Hopefully it isn't here.

Rev 7:13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
Rev 7:14 I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

These people come "out of" the tribulation, so obviously, they aren't gone before the tribulation.
How could they be martyred in the tribulation, if they weren't around to be martyred?

 

[Gerbolski]

By all means,please post verses and translation. I would like to see this.

ok I will repost what I already did, it is KJV.

Rev 19:8
(8) And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Rev 19:14
(14) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Jud 1:14-15
(14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
(15) To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

In verse 8, it mentions the word saints.

Why would the angels be clothed with the righteousness of the saints ?

 

[B-A-C]

Rev 19:8
(8) And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Rev 19:14
(14) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Jud 1:14-15
(14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
(15) To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

In verse 8, it mentions the word saints.

Why would the angels be clothed with the righteousness of the saints ?

Ok, I'll by they are humans in those verses, thanks for making it clear.
But your timing is still off. Does this happen pre-trib? If so, how are there any bad guys left during the tribulation?

 

[Gerbolski]

That is the second coming of Christ, which happens at the end of the 7 year tribulation period, and it says this:

2Th 1:8-9
(8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
(9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

So Jesus takes vengeance on all unbelievers at this time, that know not God, and obey not the gospel.

So the ones that go in the millennial reign, will be people who become believers, but as time goes on in the millennial reign, people will be born, and some will rebel, especially at the end of the millennial rein.

I do not see the second coming and rapture as the same event.

And of course in a pre-trib rapture, there will be all kinds of bad guys on the earth left, in the 7 year tribulation.

 

[Gerbolski]

Part 2 (the differences between rapture / second coming)

Are there differences between the second coming, and the coming rapture ?

Second coming Rev 19:12-15 (12) His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. (13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (14) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (15) And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Jud 1:14-15 (14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, (15) To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. 2Th 1:8-9 (8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: (9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Mar 13:26-27 (26) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. (27) And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Mat 24:30-31 (30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Rapture 1Th 4:15-17 (15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Joh 14:2-3 (2) In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. (3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 1Co 15:51-52 (51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Php 3:20-21 (20) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: (21) Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

On both the rapture side, and the second coming side, they both mention a type of coming.

Now one thing to consider is this, now of course we know about when the first coming of Christ to earth was, which was when he came as a man on earth, being born of a virgin, and growing as a man, to eventually die for our sins.

And most Jews of the time, missed his first coming, many were thinking that their Messiah would come reigning as a king, so they missed the parts that spoke of the suffering servant, and verses such as are found in Isaiah chapter 53.

Well what about the 2 comings of the rapture and the second coming ?

Well the second coming in it's many verses, show Christ coming to earth a second time, which in a certain verse it says that his feet shall touch the mount of olives.

But in the rapture verses, it does not mention Christ coming to earth, but rather coming to get his church, that when he comes, which will be from heaven, he will : "...come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am (heaven), there ye may be also (John 14:3)".

In the second coming verses it speaks of judgment, unto the ungodly, but in the rapture verses it mentions none of these things.

In the second coming verses it speaks of angels with a trumpet, in the rapture verse it mentions Jesus with the trumpet.

In both the rapture verses, and second coming, it speaks of a gathering, but concerning the rapture, they (believers) meet him in the air, but in the second coming verses, it does not mention the air, nor does it mention being caught up, but in the second coming the saints come down from heaven, but the ones on earth well they gather to Jerusalem.
In the second coming verses, it mentions nothing about vile bodies changing, but in the rapture verses it does.

Both the second coming verses and rapture verses, mention totally different events, and not the same events, the events do not match up as being the same.

The descriptions are not even the same.

Here are 2 interesting verses, side by side:

1Co 15:51 (51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Th 4:17 (17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Both of these verses, speak of the alive being changed, that is the ones in Christ that are alive on earth, at the coming rapture.

Thessalonians mentions "the ones that are alive and remain", and Corinthians mentions " we shall not all sleep", meaning that some will be alive at this time of our bodies changing from corruptible to incorruptible.

But the second coming verses mention none of these things.

So now what has to be figured out, is when will the rapture event happen ?

And is there an old testament verse that mentions the rapture of the church, and shows things with clarity ?

And what about the first resurrection, what does that fully entail ?

Remember that there is a resurrection of the just, and the unjust.

Hmmmm.

 

[B-A-C]

None of the verses you posted say they are separate events, not a single one.

In fact...

1Co 15:51-52
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

According to your verse, it doesn't happen until the "last trumpet".
When is the "last trumpet?

Matt 24
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His [x]elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Now Matt 24 doesn't mention which trumpet it is, could be the first, second, who knows.
But 1Cor 15:52 HAS to be the "last". So it's either the same one in Matt 24:31, or it's after it. (hence after the tribulation).

 

[Gerbolski]

None of the verses you posted say they are separate events, not a single one.

In fact...



According to your verse, it doesn't happen until the "last trumpet".
When is the "last trumpet?

Matt 24
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His [x]elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Now Matt 24 doesn't mention which trumpet it is, could be the first, second, who knows.
But 1Cor 15:52 HAS to be the "last". So it's either the same one in Matt 24:31, or it's after it. (hence after the tribulation).

They are not describe the same way, for in the second coming verses, you do not see Jesus with a trumpet, and you do not see any description of being caught up, nor corruptible bodies changing into incorruptible bodies.

And the last trump is a different kind of trumpet which results in an event were the corruptible bodies puts on incorruption, the last trump does not have to mean what we may think, it may be the last of that kind of trumpet blast, or a last days trumpet, remember that even in the old covenant, they had different soundings of trumpets for different purposes, not all the same, but whatever the case, you did present an alternative, were you say that it can happen maybe just right after the second coming, although I will cover stuff on that, in a bit, which I do not see it as that.

And things you have to consider is them that get caught up, and get glorified bodies, are the dead in Christ, and the alive that remain, which we shall be as the angels, but the nations and Israel will not be as the angels, they will still give birth.

 

[B-A-C]

And the last trump is a different kind of trumpet which results in an event were the corruptible bodies puts on incorruption, the last trump does not have to mean what we may think, it may be the last of that kind of trumpet blast, or a last days trumpet, remember that even in the old covenant, they had different soundings of trumpets for different purposes, not all the same, but whatever the case, you did present an alternative, were you say that it can happen maybe just right after the second coming, although I will cover stuff on that, in a bit, which I do not see it as that.

This may be the worst excuse post I have ever seen.



If the Bible doesn't work for you, make stuff up. It's not "that" trumpet, it's a different trumpet.
Trumpet doesnt always mean trumpet? Really? Just take the Bible as it is. Just take it how it reads.
Don't add anything, don't take away anything, and don't change anything.

 

[Gerbolski]

Well look throughout the old testament, they had all kinds of trumpets for different purposes, do you want proof of that ?

And what results from the trumpet that Jesus has, a change from corruptible to incorruptible.

We cannot make one trumpet be part of every trumpet.

One trumpet is for judgment, another one is for the resurrection at the rapture.

Study it out about the various trumpets of the old, this is not new stuff.

The trumpet of Jesus is associated to the resurrection of the body, the trumpet at the second coming is associated with the second coming and judgment on earth.

So then why is the resurrection called the last trumpet, and we have to know which last trumpet, and why is it saying this, and in what way, maybe there are other scriptures we can compare with that reveals things all by itself.

Scripture confirms scripture, so let us see what it says in whole, which I will get to in greater detail.

And you think it is unreasonable to think it through, but if it is a trumpet that happens after the second coming, were is your proof ?

Because there is none.

 

[Gerbolski]

Stuff on trumpets

Old testament trumpets

Num 10:2
(2) Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.

Jos 6:4
(4) And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.

Now a good explanation of the various old testament trumpets, with verses, is found here: https://christiananswers.net/dictionary/trumpets.html

Various ones had various uses, according to how God wanted them to be used.

An interesting verse is this:

1Co 14:8
(8) For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?


I just looked throughout bible verses that mention the word trumpet, and trumpets, and the ones used for the second coming, and the rapture.

Here are second coming verses:

Mat 24:30-31
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Zec 9:14-15
(14) And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
(15) The LORD of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar.

So there might actually either be one or two trumpets at the second coming, hmmm, do not recall seeing this Zechariah verse about the Lord blowing the trumpet at the second coming but if it says so, then it is so.

So the angels come with a great sound of a trumpet, and gather together the ones in heaven, which will follow CHRIST ON WHITE HORSES,
and the ONES ON EARTH, are gathered to Jerusalem, so their trumpet might be a gathering trumpet, and Jesus the Lord's trumpet is followed by Judgment, so it might be a judgment trumpet.

Now unto rapture verses:

1Th 4:15-17
(15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
(16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Co 15:51-52
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

In the rapture verses, there is nothing about angels coming with a great sound of a trumpet, but just the Lord, but in the second coming verses, I guess it shows both angels and the Lord.

And 2 trumpets seem to be for gathering, and one for judgment.

But the gathering on the rapture side, shows being caught up in the air, and being changed, but the second coming gathering verses show nothing of these things, the word caught up is not there, the word in the air is not there, nor getting a changed glorified body.

The rapture gathering is followed with a resurrected body, the second coming gathering shows nothing via getting a resurrected body.

I can see why people would think that it is a post trib rapture, by certain words, but in whole as we will see, with even an old testament rapture verse, it will cause people to really consider things, if one is open to seeing it.

Because to me, I personally bear witness with the pre trib rapture, but I do see the arguments on the other side of the coin.

 

[Gerbolski]

Part 3 (what is the rapture)

Well the rapture is called the resurrection.

And the bible mentions 2 types of resurrections, in regards to what we are talking about.

Act 24:15
(15) And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

So there is the resurrection of the just, which refers to the rapture, and there is the resurrection of the unjust, which points to the second death.

Here are verses on the 2nd resurrection which goes along with the second death event.


Rev 20:13-14
(13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
(14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.


So what takes place, event wise, is that first there is the 7 year trib period, followed by the second coming, then there is the millennial reign, and after the millennial reign there is the great white throne of judgment.

This is when the second resurrection and second death take place.


For at that time, the ones in hell will show up before God, with their spirits, souls, and their bodies which were in the grave.

They resurrect before God at the great white throne of judgment, which his the second resurrection, and get cast in the lake of fire, which is the second death.

Now Concerning the rapture it says this:

1Co 15:12-13
(12) Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
(13) But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:


1Co 15:42-44
(42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
(43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
(44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


1Co 15:51-52
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

So we can see that the rapture is known as a resurrection, it is the resurrection of the just, and it will involve the dead in Christ (resurrection of the dead), but also the alive in Christ (we shall not all sleep).

It is also known as the first resurrection, both the alive in Christ and the dead in Christ, shall partake of the first resurrection, and there will be a kind of first-fruits of it, and others that will follow.

The ones who partake of the first resurrection get glorified bodies.

Now I will cover things in more details of the when is it going to take place, I am trying to keep things as short as I can.

So here we see what the 2 resurrections are, which was my goal on this post.

 

[Bill]

Enoch and Elijah were caught up out of the earth and went to heaven.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Well in truth Elijah road a chariot up to heaven. I know apples and oranges.

But Elijah has come back so to speak or at least the spirit has. And even when the Witnesses are taken back up to heaven, what about the vast majority.

I have not seen any indication that a vast majority will leave planet Earth before the tribulation. As BAC has gone through the scripture to explain the second coming of Jesus, where we are to meet Jesus in the clouds.

Also BAC has explained that in the scripture it's quite clearly stated that we will all go through the tribulation. Of course unless you die first.

 

[Gerbolski]

Part 4 (the tribulation period)

For the most part, most agree that the tribulation period last 7 years, although I have heard some say it is only 3 1/2 years, , although the last 3 ½ years will be greater the first .3 ½ years.

Let us get into this time frame.

Dan 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Now this one week is representative of 7 years, it refers to prophetic days, which in one week there are 7 days, which points to seven years, but in the middle of the tribulation period, the Antichrist breaks his covenant.

Rev 11:3 (3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.​

Rev 12:6 (6) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. ​

Revelations 11:3 refers to the first 3 ½ years, and Revelation 12:6 refers to the last 3 ½ years.

This time period is also known as this:

Jer 30:5-7
(5) For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.
(6) Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
(7) Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.


It speaks of the time of Jacob’s trouble, which speaks of the tribulation period.

And in the tribulation period, there will be many things that will occur, but some of the main things will be the pouring out of the seven seals, seven trumpets and seven vials.


The first 3 ½ years, the 7 seals get released, and afterwards the 7 trumpets, which brings us to the middle of the trib period, and in the last half the 7 vials get released.

This time period of the 7 year tribulation period is known as the wrath of God, but the second coming also is known as the wrath of God.

Rev 6:16-17
(16) And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
(17) For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


This is during the time of the sixth seal, which at this point in time, some on earth shall realize that the great day of his wrath has come.

The word wrath in regards to events of the tribulation period, is found all over the book of Revelations.


So it is known as the wrath of God.


Now some will use these next verses so to say that, there is no pre-trib rapture:


Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.


The argument is that since saints are mentioned in this passage, that shows that the church is still here, now this is speaking of the middle point of the tribulation period, and people will get saved in the tribulation period, even through the 2 witnesses.


Just because people get saved in the tribulation period, does not deny a pre-trib rapture.

And in truth, the particular word “church” is not mentioned in verses that speak of the tribulation period, in the book of Revelations.


So the 7 year trib period has been covered, so now I will finally get to the timing of the resurrection.

 

[Gerbolski]

Part 5 (timing of the resurrection)

Well we know that the tribulation period last 7 years.

The 3 main rapture views, are that, the resurrection or rapture, occurs either before the 7 year tribulation period (pre-trib), in the middle of the tribulation period (mid-trib), or at the end of the tribulation period (post-trib).

Every one has their arguments for their particular view.

Verses that have to be given heed to, are these next ones:


Luk 20:33-36
(33) Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
(34) And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
(35) But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
(36) Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.


Mat 22:30
(30) For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

In the resurrection, people who will partake of it, will get resurrected bodies, they will be as the angels, no longer dying, no longer given in marriage, therefore also, no longer giving birth.


Well who get caught up at the rapture ?

1Th 4:15-17 (15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.​

1Co 15:51-52 (51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The dead in Christ rise first, that is their bodies shall rise to meet their spirits and souls, to meet the Lord in the air, and also the ones who are alive and remain, get caught up together with them, and they meet the Lord in the air, and get glorified bodies, that no longer die, and they shall be as the angels, no longer given in marriage.

Now verses that get talked about, via these different views are these:

Rev 3:10-11
(10) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
(11) Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

1Th 1:10
(10) And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Now there may be many different arguments on these verses, but anyhow, some post-tribers, will say this is speaking (Revelation 3:10-11) of the church being spared and protected from God’s wrath but not being spared from going through the tribulation period, and going through persecution.

And on the Thessalonians side, many on various sides of the coin, say various things about it, some refer the wrath to come as God’s general wrath, others refer to it as referring to the future wrath, which will be the 7 year tribulation period.

It is evident that the tribulation period is known as God’s wrath.

The bible does speak about God’s general wrath, but also about this future wrath that shall come.

Concerning this hour of temptation, it will come upon the whole world, and it says to the church that you shall be kept from this hour of temptation, when that hour comes, you shall be kept from it.

In what way shall you be kept from it, is it you shall be kept completely from it, were you do not go through it, or only kept from the wrath of it ?

Well is it a coincidence that in the next verse he mentions the coming of the Lord ?

Shall we be kept from it completely, because Christ is coming for his church ?

See it says being kept from it period, not parts of it.

And then what about Thessalonians ?


It talks about waiting for his son from heaven, who delivered us from the wrath to come.

When you get saved, you have been born again, and if you continue unto the end, one day what awaits for you, is getting a glorified body, but what Christ did, he set us free from the bondage of sin, and enables us to go to heaven, which also delivers us from the future wrath to come.


And here is it a coincidence that it talks about his coming, or to wait for the son from heaven, which delivered us from the wrath to come (future) ?

Is it this coming, which is mentioned, that spares us from this wrath ?

But if that is not enough, then what about Luke chapter 21 ?

Let us get a bit via context on Luke.

Luk 21:6-7
(6) As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
(7) And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Now it is clear here, that the disciples were asking about the destruction of the temple, of when shall it happen and what shall precede it.

But Matthew 24 expands on their question, which says:


Mat 24:3
(3) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

So Luke and Matthew covers 2 time frames, the time leading up to A.D. 70 (destruction of temple), and the time leading up to the second coming.


Now the messages mentioned in Mathew and Luke, are for every one to give heed to, in one manner or another.

But on the specifics of it, it is a message to the disciples of back then, such as Matthew, Peter, and John, even the apostle Paul and Christians of that time, but also it is a message to the tribulation saints which shall go through the tribulation period.

Bu later there is a message to the church which shall escape these things, or the pre-trib church.


And concerning the A.D. 70 side of things, did they experience wars and rumors of wars, great earthquakes, famines and so on? Yes, if you look at history, they experienced all of the things mentioned, and on the Matthew 24 side of things, from verse 4 to verse 20, it refers to a double prophecy, and from verse 21 to 31, it is strictly referring to the last half of the tribulation period, leading to the second coming.

Luk 21:16
(16) And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.


Among the 12 disciples, with Matthias as being one of them, only John was not martyred.

So from Mathhew 24: 4-20, it refers to 2 time periods, the time leading to A.D. 70, and the first half of the 7 year tribulation period.

So now let us get to the escape verse.


Luk 21:36
(36) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.


What does this mean ?

Does God say things for no reason ?

If God says that you are able to watch and pray, so to be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, then there is one day that this will be so.

Now some will say that this escape refers to escaping God’s wrath and not escaping persecution.

But it talks about escaping all of these things, all of these things, that shall come to pass, come to pass.

What are some of the things that is mentioned, that shall come to pass ?


Luk 21:16
(16) And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

Luk 21:12
(12) But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.


Persecution, and being put to death, are some of the things that shall come to pass, that is said you can escape, we may not escape things such as persecution before the time of the 7 year tribulation, but we can escape all that shall happen in the tribulation period, according to the word.

So it speaks of escaping all of these things and standing before the son of man, which shows us that when we do escape these things, we shall stand before the Son of man, we shall be before him, and at the rapture we shall be before him.

But some will say, well that isn’t enough, there should be proof of a resurrection, with the verse that talks about standing before him.


Well ok then, let us go to old testament verses that put everything together.


Isa 26:19-21
(19) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
(20) Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
(21) For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.


So here it shows a resurrection how the dead shall arise, and specifically it spoke of the dead rising, which if you compare it with 1 Thessalonians chapter 4, it is the dead in Christ that rise, and in the resurrection, there will people like Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah etc., to were their dead bodies (in what ever form they may be) shall arise, and turn into incorruptible bodies.

So the earth cast out the dead, and the dead rise, and as a result they enter into the chambers, and the doors get shut, which this part reminds me of the 10 virgins, to were the door gets shut to the foolish virgins, and they are left behind.

So the dead rise, they enter into the chambers, the doors are shut, and they are hidden from the indignation, until it is accomplished, or overpast, and only afterwards is the second coming mentioned, which is a time of judgment upon the inhabitants of the earth.


So we see things mentioned in chronological order.

And the bible says to compare scriptures with scriptures.


Well here are similarities with Isaiah and Luke.

Luk 21:36 “...to escape all these things that shall come to pass…”	Isa 26:20 “...shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.”
Luk 21:36 (36) ...stand before the Son of man. ​	Isa 26:19-20 (19) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise…. ...earth shall cast out the dead. (20) Come, my people,...”​

Just like the old testament shows forth the first coming of Christ, you would think that it would also show things concerning the resurrection (rapture), which is a very important event, and in these Isaiah verses it shows this, and there must be other scriptures that we are not aware of, although some may be aware of them.

So the rising happens before the indignation is overpast, and before the second coming.

Now what happens at the rapture ?

1Th 4:15-17
(15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
(16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Not only the dead in Christ rise, but also the alive in Christ.

Well what happens at the second coming ?

Jud 1:14
(14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,


He comes down from heaven to earth with ten thousands of his saints.

These saints will already have glorified bodies at this point, which shall be before the time of the indignation ever takes place, in most cases (which I will get to).

At the second coming, there will be Israel and the nations, and the church.


At the second coming all unbelievers shall be destroyed (2Th 1:8-9), so the ones that form Israel and the nations, shall be believers, but later some will be born and rebel.

It says this of Israel and the nations:

Isa 65:20
(20) There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.


Here it shows infants, which shows birth, and here it shows people being able to die, but just living longer.


Luk 20:35-36
(35) But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
(36) Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.


So Israel and the nations will be able to die, but not they who partake of the resurrection.

So obviously, the alive that remain getting glorified bodies cannot refer to the second coming, or even hours after the second coming, for that would mean the ones that form the nations will get glorified bodies, yet they who get glorified bodies will be as the angels, and they will not be able to die, but the alive at the time of the second coming, will be able to die, which does not fit.

Now let us get to verses that speak of the first resurrection.

Rev 20:4-6

(4) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

(5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

(6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


So were it mentions the rest of the dead not living again until the 1000 years is finished, speaks of them who appear before God, at the great white throne of judgment, who partake of the second death.

But of the ones who partake of the first resurrection, in the context of Revelations 20, it speaks of martyred tribulation saints, it does not speak of the alive that remain here, in this context.

So yes there will be what initially happens, which happens before the indignation is overpast, before the things on earth take place, that we shall escape, by standing before him.


Which will be the rapture of the church, were the alive and the dead partake, and it is only in this initial event that it mentions a trumpet, and this will be the pre trib church partaking in the first resurrection, but then there will be the martyred tribulation saints who shall partake of the first resurrection, which will they partake of it, at their point of death, wherever they die in the tribulation period ? Or will they all get a glorified body, closer to a time that is just before the second coming ?

Hmmm, that is something to ponder upon, and that may be one reason for some of the post-trib arguments.


Act 24:15
(15) And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

And remember there are 2 resurrections, one of the just and one of the unjust.

Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm.

 

[UncleD]

This is my input. We cannot see the whole picture unless we look at it by bringing everything in from what Jesus said (ie Just as in the days of Noah and Lot) and looking at it through the synoptic gospels (I have used Matthew and Luke). We read Matt 24:1-15 side by side with Lk 21:6-24. I have attempted to put them side by side hereunder.
Daniel; 12:13 - 4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” The book of Revelation is the revealing of the Book of Daniel. We are not given the entire book. The Holy Spirit will reveal what needs to be revealed at the right time. So, beware of those who say they have it all uncovered. Be a Berean and test everything I say.

FIRST THREE AND A HALF YEARS - TRIBULATION

Matt 24:1-14 ties in with Lk 21:6-15 note the extra teaching found in Lk 21:6-15
- Matt 24:1-2 - The destruction of the temple (70AD) – Lk 21:6 - 6 “As for these things that you see, the days will come when there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”
- Matt 24:4-5 - Do not be mislead. For many will come in My name saying, “I am the Christ” and will mislead many. Lk 21:8 - 8 And he said, “See that you are not led astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he!’ and, ‘The time is at hand!’ Do not go after them.
- Matt 24:6 - You will be hearing of wars and rumours of wars. Lk 21:9 - 9 And when you hear of wars and tumults, do not be terrified, for these things must first take place, but the end will not be at once.”
- Matt 24:7 – For nation will rise against nation (civil wars – patriots vs globalists), kingdom against kingdom (wars between countries), and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. Lk 21:9-11 - 9 And when you hear of wars and tumults, do not be terrified, for these things must first take place, but the end will not be at once.” 10 Then he said to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 There will be great earthquakes, and in various places famines and pestilences. And there will be terrors and great signs from heaven.
- Matt 24:8 – But all these things are just be beginning of birth pains (Things will happen like the labour pains when a woman is giving birth, it will start out with contractions far apart then gradually getting more and more until the baby is born. We see since 2016 the USA under Donald Trump coming into power a thorn in the democrats side who wanted the USA to collapse. Then we see Joe Biden coming in and how they tried to destroy the USA from within. Then another reprieve Donald Trump comes into power again in 2024 elections. Globalists vs patriots). What is happening in the UK, Australia, France, etc is nothing but ope3n borders, patriots verses globalists.
- Matt 24:9 - 9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then many will fall away1 and betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Lk 21:12-19 - 12 But before all this they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors for my name's sake. 13 This will be your opportunity to bear witness. 14 Settle it therefore in your minds not to meditate beforehand how to answer, 15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict. 16 You will be delivered up even by parents and brothers3 and relatives and friends, and some of you they will put to death. 17 You will be hated by all for my name's sake. 18 But not a hair of your head will perish. 19 By your endurance you will gain your lives.
Comment: Look at the difference between the account in Matthew 24 and Luke 21. Both mention persecution and Matthews account says that part of this tribulation will see us put to death and that we would be hated by all nations for his name’s sake. He goes on to say that many will fall away (apostasy) and hate one another and betray one another (we see this happening already). Luke’ version states that we will be delivered up to the synagogues and prisons and we will be brought before kings and governors for His names sake. Verse 13 in Lukes account falls in line with verse 14 in Matthews account but here is added the encouragement for those who are accosted, “Settle it therefore in your minds not to meditate beforehand how to answer, 15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict”. Lukes version goes on to say how this would affect families.

All this has been tribulation and not the great tribulation that is yet to come.

SECOND THREE AND A HALF YEARS – GREAT TRIBULATION – THE WRATH OF SATAN

There is now a difference between Matthews account and Luke’s account when we go into the great tribulation and the setting up in the temple the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand). Antichrist exalts himself above every god or object of worship. 2 Thes 2:3-4 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness2 is revealed, the son of destruction,3 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
- Matt 24:15-- 15 (See also Ezek 28:1-19; Dan 8:11-13; 11:31 and 12:11) “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place ( let the reader understand) 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. Lk 21:20-24 - 20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, 22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written. 23 Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Comment: In Matthews account, the Antichrist sets up the abomination of desolation in the temple and Luke’s says that at this point Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies (note armies – plural) then you know that her desolation is at hand. Now this happened in 70 AD but prophecy is pattern, there is more than one Fulfilment.

What we see next is parallels between Matthew’s account and Luke’s account of what transpires after the abomination of desolation is set up in the temple. This then is not I repeat not where Jesus overcomes Antichrist OR THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON. This is the start of the GREAT TRIBULATION or the start of the WRATH OF SATAN. You can read Josephus the historian’s account of 70AD and it will give a picture of what will transpire in the end times. You can also read Daniel and 1 Maccabees (Apocrypha) to see what happened when Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the temple.

Before we go into that there are other things that are going to start to happen now. These are:

- Revelation 12 comes into play. Satan is cast out of heaven and possesses the son of perdition or Antichrist both are one and the same. He puts an end to the daily sacrifice and opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. He goes out to destroy the Jews to prevent the second coming of Christ our Lord. Ezekiel 28:1-2 is a picture of this. Ezekiel 28:1-19 gives a picture of the Antichrist. The first 10 verses before Satan enters into the son of perdition. Verses 11-19 shows who possesses him. Here he puts himself in the place of Christ.
- Revelation 11 comes into play during this great tribulation. This is my personal understanding of Revelation 11 so please ensure you do your own study on it. Elijah and Moses shutting up the sky and turning the waters into blood. Elijah prayed that it would not rain in 1 Kings 17/James 5:17-18 and Moses turned the waters of the Nile into blood in the book of Exodus. They both appeared with Jesus at the transfiguration.
- Revelation 13 also comes into play during this great tribulation. The image is set up in the temple then the first beast arises out of the seas which is a metaphor for the nations. He gives authority to the second beast (false prophet comes out of the earth) to kill anyone who will not worship the image of the beast or take his mark on their right hands or on the forehead. The false church, more commonly known as the bride of the Antichrist, follows the second beast to carry out his evil deeds.
- Revelation 14:6-13 comes into play. This is an angel that goes out with an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth ... every nation, tribe, tongue and people. Saying with a loud voice Fear God and give Him glory because the hour of His judgement has come and worship Him who created the heaven and the earth and the springs of waters. A second angel declaring, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great she who has made all the nations drink of the wine of the passion of her immorality. A third angel followed the previous two say with a loud voice what would happen to those who worship the beast and his image, and receives a mark on the forehead or upon his hand.

All the above will take place during the great tribulation. There may be other actions taking place at this time too. As mentioned earlier we see in Matt 24:16-21 a parallel with Lk 21:21-23 but there is more to follow that is not mentioned in Matthew 24. Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies (plural).then you know that its desolation has come near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, 22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written. 23 Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Prophesied in Dan 8:13 - 13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one who spoke, “For how long is the vision concerning the regular burnt offering, the transgression that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and host to be trampled underfoot?”

I repeat again THAT THIS SURROUNDING OF JERUSALEM BY ARMIES IS NOT THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON. The Antichrist gathers these armies in order to destroy the Israelites ... the Jews to PREVENT the second coming of their Messiah. This is going to be terrible killing. We read about it in Zechariah 13:8 8 In the whole land, declares the LORD, two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive.
THOSE DAYS ARE CUT SHORT AND THE RESURRECTION AND THE RAPTURE TAKE PLACE BETWEEN THE SIXTH AND SEVENTH SEAL

In Matthew 24:22 we see the following: 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. The true church will go through the great tribulation to and degree. The church must still be here to identify the Antichrist as per 2 Thes 2. How long this period will be is unknown.

The resurrection and the rapture (Jesus returning for His bride because the Holy Spirit has made the bride ready as per John 14:1-3, the Spirit and the bride say come) between the sixth and seventh seal found in Matt 24:29-31; Rev 14:14-19; Rev 6:12-14. One must look at the literal meaning and the symbolic meaning of the verses. 12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale.

The sun is a metaphor for the Son, and the stars a metaphor for true believers and here the apostate believers fall. It will be at a time in history when the gospel can no longer go out, it is a time of great spiritual darkness. Those who have fallen away from the truth because of being deceived and because of the tribulation and great tribulation. Look also at Joel 2:10 and 31 and Joel 3:15 and the book of Zephaniah. At this point we turn to Gen 6 and we see the same events unfolding before God brings judgement. There is demonic activity verse 1–4 and God says enough is enough. Then in verse 5 we see - 5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. This must be read in conjunction with Gen 6:12-13 12 And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. 13 And God said to Noah, “I have determined to make an end of all flesh,3 for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth. The hearts of the people were continually evil there was no chance of any coming to salvation. The earth was filled with violence as we see that today ... wars and rumours of wars ... evil digital games filled with violence teaching children and older that violence is acceptable. In these games we see demonic influence in the creation of them. Vile evil beings like zombies and the walking dead etc. We see today it is getting darker and darker and it will get to the point when the hearts of people will no longer respond to the Gospel. God repents of having made man on the earth. Gen 6:6-7 6 And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So the LORD said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.” Although God does not rejoice in the judgements on the wicked and that He would prefer that they turn from their sins and be saved (Ezek 18:23) He is also a God that judges. Noah found favour (grace) in the eyes of the Lord, him and his family. Only eight in total. The figure 8 represents new beginnings. Only a remnant will be saved in the harvest of the earth.

So, the time of judgement has come. Hence we have the start of the Day of the Lord. In Gen 6:14-16: 14 Make yourself an ark of gopher wood.4 Make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you are to make it: the length of the ark 300 cubits, its breadth 50 cubits, and its height 30 cubits.
16 Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above, and set the door of the ark in its side. Make it with lower, second, and third decks. We know that the ark is a picture of Christ in whom we must be to escape the wrath of God and that it represent the rapture.

In biblical symbolism/typology we see in the ark the following:

-the gopher wood represents the humanity of Jesus Christ.
-The pitch represents His Blood. Through His body and Blood we come to salvation and are in Him.
-Length of the ark 300 cubits – points to the faithful remnant (we see this in Gideon too where only 300 were acceptable to God)
-Breadth of the ark 50 cubits – points to Jesus Christ empowered by the Holy Spirit and Pentecost, the Holy Spirit being poured out. 50 is liberty where the slaves were set free and the debts cancelled.
-Height was 30 cubits – Jesus was thirty when He started His ministry.
-The door of the ark was in its side. John 10 Jesus is the door, Jesus was also pierced in the side and out came blood and water. Adam was put into a deep sleep and God created a woman out of one of his ribs and God brought her to him as Adams bride. Out this relationship they would populate the earth. Likewise, Out of Jesus side comes His bride the true church and we go and preach the Gospel to the ends of the earth making disciples..
-Three decks speaks of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. In Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form (Col 2:9).

In Gen 7 we see the following:
- Verse 4 For after seven days, I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights and I will blot out from the face of the land every living thing that I have made. Seven days points to the seventieth week of Daniel. In Gen 7:7 - 13 (NASB) we read: Then Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons wives with him entered the ark because of the water of the flood. 11 In the sixth hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened. 12 And the rain fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights. 13 On the very same day Noah and Shem and Ham and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife and the three wives of his sons with them entered the ark. This shows that the wrath of God, known as the Day of the Lord, commences at the end of the great tribulation. At the end of the seven days (end of the seventieth week of Daniel). However! Jesus said in Matt 24:22 that for the sake of the elect (All those who are in Christ have been chosen by Him out of the world and are the elect, both Jew and gentile who make up the body of Christ) those days will be cut short ... therefore shortly after the start of the great tribulation (at an unknown day or time) the resurrection and the rapture will take place hence between the sixth and seventh seal. Jesus mentioned just as in the days of Noah and Lot so that we could see by this picture the truth and how the events would unravel. If you take both Noah and Lot (which I am not going into great deal here because it would be too long. If anyone wants me to give an exposition on “Just in the days of Lot can leave a comment for me to provide it) you will see the whole picture. Lot represents the true church, Persecution from homosexuals against Lot therefore equals persecution against the true church. Join the two together you get what we see today: Luke 17:25-29 -26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, 29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— Note: ...but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfer rained from heaven and destroyed them all. When Lot was taken out just before the judgement shows that the rapture takes place just before then. Israel will continue in the great tribulation until they call on the name of the Lord as per Zechariah 12. They will have no allies the story of David and Goliath is a picture of this.

There is so much that I could put in this regarding rest of Matthew 24 and 25 (both make up the Olivette Discourse) but it would be too much to post.