The Commandments to Receive the Promise of the Holy Ghost

[JesusIs4Me]

Some wisdom from the Lord is needed to see the truth in His words, but we shall address the commandments required for receiving the promise of the Holy Spirit.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Now the commandments Jesus is talking about here cannot be everything Jesus has taught, otherwise we would never be able to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit, since it is dependent on keeping those commandments.

Since those commandments are important for receiving the promise of the forever indwelling Holy Spirit, Jesus would have stated what those commandments are; so let us read the verses before verse 15 that preceded the promise of the Spirit.

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

So when you read into these following verses below;

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

May the Lord Jesus Christ help you to see that His repeating the commandment to believe Him are the commandments in John 14:15 that are required in order to receive the promise of the forever indwelling Holy Ghost at our salvation.

Confirmation can be found here;

Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

Feel free to share other verses that cites that by believing in Him at the calling of the gospel is how any one is saved by receiving the promise of the forever indwelling Holy Ghost at our salvation.

 

[Sue D.]

God would that all would come to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. But He Also knows that not everyone will do that.

In the Old Testament we are given the Ten Commandments. They are expounded on in the New Testament -- and then we are told that the Greatest Commandment of All is "Love the Lord your God with all you heart, soul and mind -- and followed by loving your neighbor as yourself.

Your post Almost sounds like you're saying that Part of salvation includes keeping the Ten Commandments. The cross /shed blood of Christ plus Nothing on our part.

 

[Sue D.]

The Holy Spirit comes immediately to indwell each believer at the moment of their heart belief / confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus. It's an automatic happening. No one needs to ask for that to happen.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

God would that all would come to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. But He Also knows that not everyone will do that.

In the Old Testament we are given the Ten Commandments. They are expounded on in the New Testament -- and then we are told that the Greatest Commandment of All is "Love the Lord your God with all you heart, soul and mind -- and followed by loving your neighbor as yourself.

Your post Almost sounds like you're saying that Part of salvation includes keeping the Ten Commandments. The cross /shed blood of Christ plus Nothing on our part.

The 4th commandments was never expounded upon in the New Testament nor carried over, but rather Jesus told us why believers are guiltless for profaning the sabbath in Matthew 12:1-7 Ask Jesus for wisdom in understanding His words.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.

2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;

4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

 

[Sue D.]

The only reason many denominations have changed to Sunday worship is because Jesus Christ rose again on the 1st day of the week -- thus, we worship on Sunday, the Lord's Day in honor Of His resurrection.
And there Is a passage that says to allow those who want to worship on particular days to do that. That the point Is To take a day out of your week To worship God.

 

[rstrats]

Sue D.
re: "The only reason many denominations have changed to Sunday worship is because Jesus Christ rose again on the 1st day of the week -- thus, we worship on Sunday, the Lord's Day in honor Of His resurrection."


Yes, that generally is the practice of many denominations. It just seems odd, though, that scripture is silent with regard to that practice.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Sue D.
re: "The only reason many denominations have changed to Sunday worship is because Jesus Christ rose again on the 1st day of the week -- thus, we worship on Sunday, the Lord's Day in honor Of His resurrection."

Yes, that generally is the practice of many denominations. It just seems odd, though, that scripture is silent with regard to that practice.

Do consider Paul's order given to all the churches in how to set aside a portion from the bounty collected at church service in support of missionaries in the field so that there be no separate collection for them when they come.

1 Corinthians 16:1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

I reckon that when believers have been worshiping the Lord on the first day of the week, on the day He has risen, no one ever made it a point to declare what they have been doing in holding service on Sunday. Paul said why.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

So believers can hold church service any day of the week in honoring the Lord. And Matthew 12:1-7 explains why believers are guiltless for profaning the sabbath day, because Jesus Christ is with us.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

God would that all would come to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. But He Also knows that not everyone will do that.

In the Old Testament we are given the Ten Commandments. They are expounded on in the New Testament -- and then we are told that the Greatest Commandment of All is "Love the Lord your God with all you heart, soul and mind -- and followed by loving your neighbor as yourself.

Your post Almost sounds like you're saying that Part of salvation includes keeping the Ten Commandments. The cross /shed blood of Christ plus Nothing on our part.

Actually, the Ten Commandments are not referred to in its entirety for what we are to do in keeping His commandments; which is why I did not refer to the Ten Commandments but His commandments.

And there are two different sets of commandments; one set is what we are to do in following Him; the other set of commandments is how we are saved as well as how we are to follow Him too, which is by believing in Him.

The commandments we are to keep in order to be saved are the ones whereby He repeated for us which is to believe in Him in order to receive the promise of the Holy Ghost. It is also the set of commandments for how to follow Him which is to believe in Him as our Good Shepherd that He will help us to follow Him in doing whatever He commands us to do... which is still by the grace of God and His help.

 

[Sue D.]

Yes, to believe in Him -- 1 Corinthians 15 -- to be saved -- that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that He was crucified, buried and rose again on the 3rd day -- according to the Scripture.
That Nothing we can do will in any way contribute to our personal salvation. Jesus death on the cross / shedding His blood , going to hell In Our Place, and rising again bodily on the 3rd day -- all that is necessary. Each person needs to accept That gift of God Personally.

You might notice that baptism, keeping the Ten Commandments, joining a church, etc. are NOT included.

Belief in our heart -- Not simply acknowledging mentally -- and confession to God -- out loud Are needed.

Scripture / God's Word DOES give us guidelines as how to live for Him AFTER we've accepted Jesus Christ as personal Savior.

We Do have the great I Am's in John 10 -- Jesus is the gate , He is the good shephard --He is the bread of life -- living water. But that's not in John 10.

So -- there are the Ten Commandments as well as the Levitical laws --none of which are required to keep for our salvation to be 'complete'.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Yes, to believe in Him -- 1 Corinthians 15 -- to be saved -- that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that He was crucified, buried and rose again on the 3rd day -- according to the Scripture.
That Nothing we can do will in any way contribute to our personal salvation. Jesus death on the cross / shedding His blood , going to hell In Our Place, and rising again bodily on the 3rd day -- all that is necessary. Each person needs to accept That gift of God Personally.

You might notice that baptism, keeping the Ten Commandments, joining a church, etc. are NOT included.

I agree.

Belief in our heart -- Not simply acknowledging mentally -- and confession to God -- out loud Are needed.

Mute people can be saved simply by believing in Him, even in His name. Just a little clarity in case any mute person should be reading this.

Scripture / God's Word DOES give us guidelines as how to live for Him AFTER we've accepted Jesus Christ as personal Savior.

We Do have the great I Am's in John 10 -- Jesus is the gate , He is the good shephard --He is the bread of life -- living water. But that's not in John 10.

So -- there are the Ten Commandments as well as the Levitical laws --none of which are required to keep for our salvation to be 'complete'.

Our salvation is complete, but running that race by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us lay aside every weight & sin so we can be received by the Bridegroom when He comes as vessels unto honor in His House is the high prize of our calling in Christ Jesus.

Those who fail to look to Him for help in discerning and departing from iniquity in living this reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ will run the risk of being left behind to die, but resurrected and received later on as vessels unto dishonor in His House as a testimony to the power of God in salvation for all those who believe in Him, even in His name. Although the prodigal son gave up the inheritance of being that vessel unto honor in His House for wild living, he is still son, but he will wish he had not done it for there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth over the loss of that birth right in being among the first fruit of that resurrection to attend the Marriage Supper in His honor & glory.

 

[regibassman57]

@JesusIs4Me @Sue D.,
Sin corrupts; can the heart of a born again believer be corrupt by their sin? Is this why they must ask for forgiveness?

 

[rstrats]

JesusIs4Me,
re: "Do consider Paul's order given to all the churches in how to set aside a portion from the bounty collected at church service in support of missionaries in the field so that there be no separate collection for them when they come. 1 Corinthians 16:1..."


1 Corinthians 16 does not say that the Corinthians met together on the first day of the week for church service. The text merely says that everyone should "lay by him in store" on the first day of the week. The Wemouth reads: "Let each of you put on one side and store up at his home". Ballantine's Translation reads: "Let each of you lay up at home". The Syriac on this passage reads: "Let every one of you lay aside and preserve at home". And the New Catholic Edition of the Bible reads: "....let each one of you put aside at home and lay up whatever he has a mind to". This verse says nothing about going to services on the first day or even getting together on the first day. Nor is anything said about observing the resurrection on the 1st day of the week.

 

[rstrats]

JesusIs4Me,
re: "I reckon that when believers have been worshiping the Lord on the first day of the week, on the day He has risen, no one ever made it a point to declare what they have been doing in holding service on Sunday. Paul said why. Romans 14:4..."


The context of Romans 14:4 has nothing to do with regard to observing or meeting on the 1st day of the week in honor of the resurrection. The subject of the chapter from start to finish has to do with judging when and what people eat.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

@JesusIs4Me @Sue D.,
Sin corrupts; can the heart of a born again believer be corrupt by their sin? Is this why they must ask for forgiveness?

If you read 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 KJV and ask yourself if any unrepentant iniquity or unrepentant work of the flesh or unrepentant sin is on that foundation for why it defiles the temple of God, then yes, that is why we need to ask for forgiveness.

Even for the good we should have done, but we had not done, it is considered sin. James 4:13-17 KJV

That is why by walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son is how His blood cleanses us continuously ( 1 John 1:3-7 KJV ). It is by abiding in Him, walking in the light by the grace of God is how His blood cleanses us and so when we sin, as in step outside of fellowship, no matter how slight, we can come to Jesus as our Advocate ( 1 John 2:1-2 KJV ) to ask Him to forgive us of our sins ( 1 John 1:9 KJV ) and to help us to depart from it to walk in the light again with Him by the same grace of God ( Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV ) we all had been saved by for believing in Him when we had been saved at the calling of the gospel. Ephesians 1:11-15 KJV & Colossians 1:20-23 KJV & Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV

 

[regibassman57]

@JesusIs4Me,

You said: “If you read 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 KJV”

I like that scripture. In order for a believer to defile the temple of God they would have to blasphemy the Holy Ghost in order for God to destroy them (Mat. 12:31). I haven’t found where God will judge man for “sins” in the Day of Judgment. I’ve only read that God will judge every man according to his works (Rev. 22:12; Mat. 16:27).

Remember I’ve presented these scriptures since day one:

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I don’t understand why you think I’m against punishment just because I say a believer doesn’t sin, but they commit unfruitful works. This tells me you haven’t read what I’ve been posting.

Defiling the temple is not defiling the heart where Jesus resides. Jesus resides in the heart of the inner man which is incorruptible.

1Pe 3:4 But let it be the "hidden man of the heart," in that which is "not corruptible," even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

The new heart is through the Grace of God that only He can abide in; Satan cannot. God said I will never leave you or forsake you. Sin cannot be where God is (Isa. 59:2). This is why He gave believers the new heart he promised. And no believer can jump in and out of the body of Christ because they have been bought with a price (1Cor. 6:19, 20).

As long as Jesus is in the heart of man a believer will always have fellowship with God. Under the Mosaic Law, God would “leave” Israel; this is why they didn’t have fellowship with God. Under the new covenant God said “He will not” leave believers.

Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

The blood of Jesus makes intercession and cleanses all believers as long as the Spirit of God abides in them; this is through God’s Mercy and His Grace. A believer can never walk without light.

 

[B-A-C]

I haven’t found where God will judge man for “sins” in the Day of Judgment. I’ve only read that God will judge every man according to his works (Rev. 22:12; Mat. 16:27).

Your works (deeds) are all either good or evil. They define what kind of person you are.

Ezek 36:19; "Also I scattered them among the nations and they were dispersed throughout the lands. According to their ways and their deeds I judged them.
Rev 20:12; And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
Rev 20:13; And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

2 Cor 5:10; For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

 

[regibassman57]

@B-A-C,
You said: Your works (deeds) are all either good or evil. They define what kind of person you are.

I can agree with that. But I know that a good person in Christ cannot bring forth evil fruit in God's mind. Evil fruit is sin (Rom. 7:5).

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit (Rom. 6:20).

Mat 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that hears the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.

The verses you gave me to read, i'm sure you call it sin, but I don’t see anything that says “sin” in those scriptures. I call it unfruitful works or deeds, but I do not call it sin. The love of the world was called sin because of the actions of Israel, but now it’s unfruitful works (1Joh. 2:15-17).

Tit 3:14 And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.

A believer that does evil works or deeds (unfruitful works) do not develop the character or fruit of Christ (Gal. 5:22,23). This is why they will be judged for their works. An unfruitful believer’s faith will be judged unfaithful because they did not believe God’s word through faith. There effort and deeds were towards the gain of the world instead of Christ. They can lose their salvation.



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[rstrats]

JesusIs4Me,
re: "So believers can hold church service any day of the week in honoring the Lord."


Just so it's understood that scripture is silent with regard to folks observing the 1st day of the week for the purpose of rest and congregational worship.

 

[Dave M]

I call it unfruitful works or deeds, but I do not call it sin

Sounds like the flesh talking not the spirit @regibassman57 Jesus tells his followers if we SIN we have our advocate, he does not say unfruitful works need a advocate. And we know Jesus is speaking to believers because non believers do not have a advocate. Jesus would not call non believers his little children.

1 John 2:1
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.



this is basic 101 Christianity anyone running around claiming they have no sin John tells them

1 John 1:8
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

 

[Dave M]

@regibassman57

Brother I would like to add about sin

We have been set free from the the curse and bondage of sin through Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:1 E
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

But sin is still sin and every believer can still sin, we just now have the freedom to say no to sin as before we were slaves to sin but if you notice it says "do not submit again to a yoke of slavery" this is referring to sin