regibassman57
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@Dave, @R. Roger Harris,
Dave You said: Sounds like the flesh talking not the spirit @regibassman57 Jesus tells his followers if we SIN we have our advocate, he does not say unfruitful works need a advocate. And we know Jesus is speaking to believers because non believers do not have a advocate. Jesus would not call non believers his little children.
1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
John is talking to his Jewish brothers, saved and unsaved. The advocate is the propitiation and the propitiation is for the sins of the whole world and not just Jews who Paul was talking to.
You presented the scripture: If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1Jo. 1:8).
If I do what 1John 1:9 tells me, I can say “I have no sin.” I do this when I first become saved an unbeliever can never say they have no sin. Once a person confesses their sins God is faithful and just to forgive them of “ALL” their “sins” and cleanse me from “all” unrighteousness.
Once this is done they have “NO” sins and they are not deceiving themselves because “all” their sins have been forgiven once for all time and they can say they have no sins.
Eph 1:7 In whom “we have redemption” through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
When a person comes to Jesus and confesses their sins, they “HAVE” (past, present and future tense) forgiveness of sin. When you have something presently you don’t have to ask for it.
Col 1:14 In whom “we have redemption” through his blood, even the “forgiveness of sins”:
Here is more confirmation that we “have” past, present and future forgiveness of sins. Are sins has been forgiven us over 2000 years ago. We reap the benefit when we come to Christ.
1Jo 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because “your sins” “ARE” forgiven you for his name's sake. When were their sins forgiven them? When they did what 1John 1:9 said.
John is not telling his brothers they need to ask God for forgiveness of sins; he telling them they “have” it, present tense. Before they benefited in the forgiveness of sins, they had to confess first as 1John 1:9 talked about.
This is what Jesus said about unfruitful works:
Mat 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that hears the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and “he becomes unfruitful.”
Tit 3:14 And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
You said: We have been set free from the the curse and bondage of sin through Jesus Christ.
I don’t think you understand, the “curse” and “sin” is the same result (Deu. 27:14-26).
You said:
Galatians 5:1 E
“For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.”
“But sin is still sin and every believer can still sin, we just now have the freedom to say no to sin as before we were slaves to sin but if you notice it says "do not submit again to a yoke of slavery" this is referring to sin”
The “yoke of bondage” is talking about justification by the law.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Dave You said: Sounds like the flesh talking not the spirit @regibassman57 Jesus tells his followers if we SIN we have our advocate, he does not say unfruitful works need a advocate. And we know Jesus is speaking to believers because non believers do not have a advocate. Jesus would not call non believers his little children.
1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
John is talking to his Jewish brothers, saved and unsaved. The advocate is the propitiation and the propitiation is for the sins of the whole world and not just Jews who Paul was talking to.
You presented the scripture: If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1Jo. 1:8).
If I do what 1John 1:9 tells me, I can say “I have no sin.” I do this when I first become saved an unbeliever can never say they have no sin. Once a person confesses their sins God is faithful and just to forgive them of “ALL” their “sins” and cleanse me from “all” unrighteousness.
Once this is done they have “NO” sins and they are not deceiving themselves because “all” their sins have been forgiven once for all time and they can say they have no sins.
Eph 1:7 In whom “we have redemption” through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
When a person comes to Jesus and confesses their sins, they “HAVE” (past, present and future tense) forgiveness of sin. When you have something presently you don’t have to ask for it.
Col 1:14 In whom “we have redemption” through his blood, even the “forgiveness of sins”:
Here is more confirmation that we “have” past, present and future forgiveness of sins. Are sins has been forgiven us over 2000 years ago. We reap the benefit when we come to Christ.
1Jo 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because “your sins” “ARE” forgiven you for his name's sake. When were their sins forgiven them? When they did what 1John 1:9 said.
John is not telling his brothers they need to ask God for forgiveness of sins; he telling them they “have” it, present tense. Before they benefited in the forgiveness of sins, they had to confess first as 1John 1:9 talked about.
This is what Jesus said about unfruitful works:
Mat 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that hears the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and “he becomes unfruitful.”
Tit 3:14 And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
You said: We have been set free from the the curse and bondage of sin through Jesus Christ.
I don’t think you understand, the “curse” and “sin” is the same result (Deu. 27:14-26).
You said:
Galatians 5:1 E
“For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.”
“But sin is still sin and every believer can still sin, we just now have the freedom to say no to sin as before we were slaves to sin but if you notice it says "do not submit again to a yoke of slavery" this is referring to sin”
The “yoke of bondage” is talking about justification by the law.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;.......
