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The Exorcisim Of Emily Grace

If Emily was a Christian she couldn't have been demon possessed (As Jiggly pointed out). I'm sure demons love to possess Catholics who do not have Christ. The moral of the movie should have been: "Get out of the Catholic church immediately". Instead of "I got demon possessed so God must exist" I give the movie an F- for promoting Catholicism as if it were Christian in any way shape or form.

*Sigh*, alright, I'd like to keep this short and simple, but.....

#1) First, this movie is not just for spooks, it's not a movie that is "demonized" it was meant to deliver message and if I'm correct the director (Scott Derickson) is a Christian that made the film after having observed that many Christians retract and shun the idea of exorcism, however, exorcism is a misunderstood practice, it is a cure, not a punishment, and it certaintly doesn't imply anything that has to do with demon possession (that is, envoking it) rather, ridding it from a person's tortured soul. The movie was also based on a real person and is not entirely fictional, the earlier hit prior to this movie ("The Exorcist") is also based on a factual account of a record concerning demonic possession, furthermore, it too was also written and co-produced by a Christian (William Blatty was a former Catholic priest, I believe.)

#2) This is my opinion and I don't want to cross any boundaries or personal lines with you, but anyone who thinks that Christians are "clean" of demons are self-deluding themselves, I find it rather perverse that anyone would think that just because you worship Jesus, you are 100% free and protected from anything demonic, and in the numerous paranormal accounts reported, this happens to both believers and non-believers alike, including Christians. My reasons for concluding this are because you too live in this physical world and you too must suffer, didn't Jesus remark "if you do not pick up your cross you cannot be my disicple"? This means that the faith you hold too will not be an easy one, and it must go under endurance, even if it means spiritual evils (the book of Job.)

I have been largely interested in the topics of possession and exorcism ever since this movie started premiering, it doesn't mean "I'm Satanic", it means that I wish to research a dark topic, it has nothing to do with whether or not I'm motivated by some evil movement or cult, I will simply put it this way, "you cannot recognize evil until you look it at in the eye."
 
*Sigh*, alright, I'd like to keep this short and simple, but.....

#1) First, this movie is not just for spooks, it's not a movie that is "demonized" it was meant to deliver message and if I'm correct the director (Scott Derickson) is a Christian that made the film after having observed that many Christians retract and shun the idea of exorcism, however, exorcism is a misunderstood practice, it is a cure, not a punishment, and it certaintly doesn't imply anything that has to do with demon possession (that is, envoking it) rather, ridding it from a person's tortured soul. The movie was also based on a real person and is not entirely fictional, the earlier hit prior to this movie ("The Exorcist") is also based on a factual account of a record concerning demonic possession, furthermore, it too was also written and co-produced by a Christian (William Blatty was a former Catholic priest, I believe.)

#2) This is my opinion and I don't want to cross any boundaries or personal lines with you, but anyone who thinks that Christians are "clean" of demons are self-deluding themselves, I find it rather perverse that anyone would think that just because you worship Jesus, you are 100% free and protected from anything demonic, and in the numerous paranormal accounts reported, this happens to both believers and non-believers alike, including Christians. My reasons for concluding this are because you too live in this physical world and you too must suffer, didn't Jesus remark "if you do not pick up your cross you cannot be my disicple"? This means that the faith you hold too will not be an easy one, and it must go under endurance, even if it means spiritual evils (the book of Job.)

I have been largely interested in the topics of possession and exorcism ever since this movie started premiering, it doesn't mean "I'm Satanic", it means that I wish to research a dark topic, it has nothing to do with whether or not I'm motivated by some evil movement or cult, I will simply put it this way, "you cannot recognize evil until you look it at in the eye."


Indeed your opinion. As other stated and truth derived from Scripture not "opinions", you cannot be a Christian and demon possessed. If you think this way, than that is perversive! How dare you even say that one who worships Almighty GOD can be demon possessed. I won't waste time asking you for Scripture of this, it does not exists.

I suggest you dwell more on Scripture than " I have been largely interested in the topics of possession and exorcism ever since this movie started premiering". Hollywood is Hollywood. You assume its all "factual" based on what? Because the Christian director says so? That's garbage and naive. Hollywood's "truth" is full of lies. Seriously.

"you cannot recognize evil until you look it at in the eye."
So my sins are not enough "evil" for me to notice, to realize, to be convicted by the Spirit of GOD of my evil wrong doings? I guess than we cannot acknowledge our own evil unless we "look it in the eye".

Before going around calling yourself "the prophet", start reading the Bible. Prerequisite: humility

Romans 8:9
But you are not living the life of the flesh, you are living the life of the Spirit, if the [Holy] Spirit of God [really] dwells within you [directs and controls you]. But if anyone does not possess the [Holy] Spirit of Christ, he is none of His [he does not belong to Christ, is not truly a child of God].
 
Indeed your opinion. As other stated and truth derived from Scripture not "opinions", you cannot be a Christian and demon possessed. If you think this way, than that is perversive! How dare you even say that one who worships Almighty GOD can be demon possessed. I won't waste time asking you for Scripture of this, it does not exists.

Chad, what I was saying is that it can happen to everyone (if you believe in such things) there are no acceptions, there are many Christians who become troubled and turn directly to their priests and mentors for spiritual guidance, you do not understand, you see, that when a Christian suffers, it becomes labeled as "mental illness" and they get thrown into mental institutions for the wrong reasons! Furthermore, those willing to do the exorcism are persecuted by the law, no one gets out easy.

I suggest you dwell more on Scripture than " I have been largely interested in the topics of possession and exorcism ever since this movie started premiering". Hollywood is Hollywood. You assume its all "factual" based on what? Because the Christian director says so? That's garbage and naive. Hollywood's "truth" is full of lies. Seriously.

No, because I've observed it for myself, I think it's garbage and naive to say that these movies "are intentionally against God", the entire plot of the movie is based on a real person, you can google her up: Anneliese Michel. This movie was to shed light on a story that had a message connected to it, it changed and effected many people's lives, it was a turning point in the investigation of psychological problems in comparison with a spiritual presence, because of the actual events, some turned to faith in God (there was an actual psychiatrist who evaluated Anneliese's behaviors but I forgot his name)

So my sins are not enough "evil" for me to notice, to realize, to be convicted by the Spirit of GOD of my evil wrong doings? I guess than we cannot acknowledge our own evil unless we "look it in the eye".

Hold up, slow down here, you're admitting yourself to my point, two things: authentic genuine demon-possession is reported very rarely to be unnatural and without a psychological cause, second, if you sincerely believe what you just typed, then you would have to agree that in the midst of slipping and going astray, you become vunerable, this is in any instance (if you can't follow I don't believe you've read much of the bible yourself sir), if you want to use the sheep analogy, a pack of wolves surround the sheep, anyone who goes astray or willingly leaves the flock is vunerable to attack, the weak and the sickly are also vunerbale to attack, usually the first to be spotted by the predators, and the same thing applies to your belief system, that's why clergy and pastors are appointed, if you recall with Peter, "feed my sheep."

Before going around calling yourself "the prophet", start reading the Bible. Prerequisite: humility

I try to be more intellectual than accusing things at face value and judging a book by its cover, "there's demons in that movie, it's obviously evil" that's blatantly ignorant, the world isn't all sunshine and skittles, the world is a brutal harsh place, if we continue to cower like helpless sheep and always go after what's "G-rated" you could be opening yourself up to the Anti-christ, it's deception, it comes unexpedectly.

Look, I was raised in a Christian enviroment and even to this day I think that a majority of Christians are really representing themselves poorly, I rejected Christianity myself because it sounded absolutely ridicolous, I however had a wake up call, that doesn't mean I go rushing into the church dancing and clapping my hands like a lunatic, it means that I needed to re-arrange my thinking, and even to this day, that's what I'm doing, when I read the bible, I don't see a "G-rated" tag on the cover, I see something that takes serious consideration and is told the way it is, you would teach your kids that Jesus had a crown of thorns around his cranium but you won't let them say "shut up"? Please note that I am not insulting anyone here, I am making a point, if you want to have some Christian material with some scripture in it for a broader perspective, look into "An Exorcist Tells His Story" by Fr. Gabriele Amorth, he speaks of his own accounts and trials when exorcising the demonized, and expresses the reality of each case (there are many cases were he's dealt with skeptics, non-believers and Christians.)
 
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Chad, what I was saying is that it can happen to everyone (if you believe in such things) there are no acceptions, there are many Christians who become troubled and turn directly to their priests and mentors for spiritual guidance, you do not understand, you see, that when a Christian suffers, it becomes labeled as "mental illness" and they get thrown into mental institutions for the wrong reasons! Furthermore, those willing to do the exorcism are persecuted by the law, no one gets out easy.



No, because I've observed it for myself, I think it's garbage and naive to say that these movies "are intentionally against God", the entire plot of the movie is based on a real person, you can google her up: Anneliese Michel. This movie was to shed light on a story that had a message connected to it, it changed and effected many people's lives, it was a turning point in the investigation of psychological problems in comparison with a spiritual presence, because of the actual events, some turned to faith in God (there was an actual psychiatrist who evaluated Anneliese's behaviors but I forgot his name)



Hold up, slow down here, you're admitting yourself to my point, two things: authentic genuine demon-possession is reported very rarely to be unnatural and without a psychological cause, second, if you sincerely believe what you just typed, then you would have to agree that in the midst of slipping and going astray, you become vunerable, this is in any instance (if you can't follow I don't believe you've read much of the bible yourself sir), if you want to use the sheep analogy, a pack of wolves surround the sheep, anyone who goes astray or willingly leaves the flock is vunerable to attack, the weak and the sickly are also vunerbale to attack, usually the first to be spotted by the predators, and the same thing applies to your belief system, that's why clergy and pastors are appointed, if you recall with Peter, "feed my sheep."


I try to be more intellectual than accusing things at face value and judging a book by its cover, "there's demons in that movie, it's obviously evil" that's blatantly ignorant, the world isn't all sunshine and skittles, the world is a brutal harsh place, if we continue to cower like helpless sheep and always go after what's "G-rated" you could be opening yourself up to the Anti-christ, it's deception, it comes unexpedectly.
We as believers go for Scripture. We go for Jesus Christ. We go in prayer and faith. We do not need to go for G rated, X rated, R Rated, PG rated movies. I believe your view is rather "deceptive" if you ask me. No harshness intended, but you are striving so hard here to put so much value about this movie its rather strange. Why? Is Jesus not enough for you that you need to preach about Emily?

Look, I was raised in a Christian enviroment and even to this day I think that a majority of Christians are really representing themselves poorly, I rejected Christianity myself because it sounded absolutely ridicolous, I however had a wake up call, that doesn't mean I go rushing into the church dancing and clapping my hands like a lunatic, it means that I needed to re-arrange my thinking, and even to this day, that's what I'm doing, when I read the bible, I don't see a "G-rated" tag on the cover, I see something that takes serious consideration and is told the way it is, you would teach your kids that Jesus had a crown of thorns around his cranium but you won't let them say "shut up"? Please note that I am not insulting anyone here, I am making a point, if you want to have some Christian material with some scripture in it for a broader perspective, look into "An Exorcist Tells His Story" by Fr. Gabriele Amorth, he speaks of his own accounts and trials when exorcising the demonized, and expresses the reality of each case (there are many cases were he's dealt with skeptics, non-believers and Christians.)
Its ok. I'd rather stick with Scripture. Everything I need is there. I won't be able to gain more from Amorth's book regardless of it is based on "facts". Scripture tells me exactly what GOD wants me to hear.

There is a difference between a Christian who sins, repents and another who sins, does not repent and continues sinning. The latter is the one who is vulnerable to possible demon possession. How far away does one need to go away from GOD before the person becomes possessed? Show me Scripture that shows any Christian who was possessed at the time of being a Christian. The Holy Spirit of GOD dwells in us. It cannot dwell with demons in the same room. Read the Word before speaking words.

Do not speak anything that is not Scripture. This board is not for opinions about Truth. Scripture speaks for itself. Quote the Word, not your own. It is for your benefit that you learn what GOD says. We're in the end of times and the devil is trying harder to deceive more than he has ever done before.
 
Can someone please tell me about Judas? Did he become possessed? and if he did, was he a true Christian? i know he was an apostle... i'm curious to know if you can help.

also, about demon possession, i got this from gotquestions

Question: "Can a Christian be demon possessed?"



Answer: The Bible does not explicitly state whether a Christian can be possessed by a demon. However, since a Christian is indwelt by the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9-11; 1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19), it would seem unlikely that the Holy Spirit would allow a demon to possess the same person He is indwelling. We definitely recognize that this is a controversial issue. However, we strongly hold to the belief that a Christian cannot be possessed by a demon. We believe there is a sharp difference between being possessed by a demon, and being oppressed / influenced by a demon. Demon possession involves a demon having direct control over the thoughts and/or actions of a person (Luke 4:33-35; 8:27-33; Matthew 17:14-18). Demon oppression / influence involves a demon or demons attacking a person spiritually and/or encouraging him/her into sinful behavior (1 Peter 5:8-9; James 4:7). You will notice that in all the New Testament passages dealing with spiritual warfare, we are never told to cast a demon out of a believer (Ephesians 6:10-18). We are told to resist the devil (1 Peter 5:8-9; James 4:7), not to cast him out.



It is unthinkable to me that God would allow one of His children, whom He purchased with the blood of Christ (1 Peter 1:18-19) and made into a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17) – to be possessed and controlled by a demon. Yes, as believers, we wage warfare with Satan and his demons, but not from within ourselves. 1 John 4:4 declares, “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.” Who is the One in us? The Holy Spirit. Who is the one in the world? Satan and his demons.


And about the movie, i enjoyed it... it was creepy, but i still liked it. I can't sit here and say that God can't use a movie like that to open people's eyes because God's used a lot of twisted movies and things to open my eyes. I learned a lot about sin from watching the movie "Seven." From there God showed me how my sin was affecting me, how it was affecting other people, and how other people's sin was affecting me and others. Now that i have the spirit of Christ living in me, i don't have the urge to watch movies like that anymore as i once did, but i'm glad i did see them. and at times, i will pop one in and enjoy it, however if i see it affecting me in a negative way, then i'll stop viewing them. But God can teach us things in so many ways and use these movies to help Christians minister.

For example, a lot of Christians insisted that no Christian should go see the Da Vinci Code, read the book or support it in any way. For some people that is okay, but God may use some of us by calling us to see it. I felt called to read the book and see the movie knowing that it was false information just so i can be able to answer questions and participate in conversation with other people who have seen it and start maybe doubting Jesus and what He did. I read a book about the facts and fiction of the da vinci code so i could converse with people about the truth. It paid off.. it was a popular book and many people have brought it up and i gave them my input when conversation stirred up to the best of my ability and i just pray that God will use what i said to help them recognize the truth. As far as this Emily Rose movie goes, it can be used to proclaim the name of Jesus. It sparked up a conversation like this among Christians, it can do the same for nonbelievers and give us an opportunity to share the gospel. My advice is to learn the facts, know the relevant Scriptures, and let God speak through you and me if something like this comes up in conversation our lives. Let's turn everything to Him. Satan may be trying to use this movie to provoke fear in people, but God is stronger and can use this for His glory. I pray that when things like this come up, we find a way to take advantage of the opportunity that God gives us to tell others about our Savior.

If it's going to cause you to fall, don't watch them. If you're going to watch it because you know God will work through you, then let Him guide you. He may use you to change someones perspective towards seeking Christ.
 
Matthew 26:20-24 (New King James Version)

20 When evening had come, He sat down with the twelve. 21 Now as they were eating, He said, “Assuredly, I say to you, one of you will betray Me.”
22 And they were exceedingly sorrowful, and each of them began to say to Him, “Lord, is it I?”
23 He answered and said, “He who dipped his hand with Me in the dish will betray Me. 24 The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

I think that last verse sums up the seriousness of denying Christ, which is blasphemy especially since Judas not only knew Truth, he saw Him face to face. Judas' suicide is an example of such deep regret, likely oppression if you ask me. I think it was such a severe case of oppression that he could not deal with it any longer [guilt]. Anyway, Judas' case is a little bit different. However, it was in his own freedom to betray Jesus Christ.

Matthew 27:2-4 (New King James Version)

2 And when they had bound Him, they led Him away and delivered Him to Pontius Pilate the governor.

Judas Hangs Himself

3 Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4 saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.”
And they said, “What is that to us? You see to it!

Matthew Henry's Commentary

Judas bargains to betray Christ.

There were but twelve called apostles, and one of them was like a devil; surely we must never expect any society to be quite pure on this side heaven. The greater profession men make of religion, the greater opportunity they have of doing mischief, if their hearts be not right with God. Observe, that Christ's own disciple, who knew so well his doctrine and manner of his life, and was false to him, could not charge him with any thing criminal, though it would have served to justify his treachery.

What did Judas want? Was not he welcome wherever his Master was? Did he not fare as Christ fared? It is not the lack, but the love of money, that is the root of all evil. After he had made that wicked bargain, Judas had time to repent, and to revoke it; but when lesser acts of dishonesty have hardened the conscience men do without hesitation that which is more shameful. (Mt 26:17-25)
 
Very interesting, thanks for the post Chad... and the speedy reply, wow that was record breaking time.

About blasphemy, I've heard Arnold Murray say that it is impossible to blaspheme in this day in age because Christ's flesh body isn't here and we can't deny Him that way or something like that. What are you thoughts on blasphemy? More importantly, what does Scripture say about it?
 
I too have seen it

This movie does not rule out Christ's power but it remphaises the power of Christ. This shows that the devil is cunning and make people to think that he is powerful than Jesus Christ himself.
 
Hi All,

My daughter saw The Exorcism of Emily Rose in England, (don't know if this is the same film). I was very concerned when my daughter told me what she had watched. She also said that I should never go and watch it because any Christian would be seriously freaked out about it (not that I am into horror films anyway, even some PG's scare me)! I do not understand why something which has the intention of frightening people and gaining as much money from it as possible could be perceived as a positive thing.

One should not take the word of a Hollywood film as Gospel, even if it is based on a true story, it will still have an amount of artistic liscense attributed to it to make the viewer more scared like in the case of the above film.

Chad and others are correct when they say if you are filled with the Holy Spirit a demon cannot possess you. However, this does not detract from the fact that demons along with sin exist and can temp you or try to influence you.

'In your anger do not sin: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, and do not give the devil a foothold'.(Eph 4:26)

'You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.'(Eph 4:22)

God Bless

:love: Eve
 
I wasn't scared a bit.Well,the only thing the scared me was how the girl looked when she died and the horrible thing she was seeing when she was possesed.I think the movie was well...BORING!but interesting at the same time.
 
any Christian would be seriously freaked out about it (not that I am into horror films anyway, even some PG's scare me)! I do not understand why something which has the intention of frightening people and gaining as much money from it as possible could be perceived as a positive thing.

One should not take the word of a Hollywood film as Gospel, even if it is based on a true story, it will still have an amount of artistic liscense attributed to it to make the viewer more scared like in the case of the above film.

First, not any Christian would be freaked out. Some may be.

How could it be perceived as a positive thing? Cuz like i said, God may call some of us to see it in order to spread the Gospel. People ask questions about it and it brings an opportunity to talk about spirituality which can bring an opportunity to talk about Jesus. If it cause you to fall, and God is not calling you to watch it, then don't watch it. For others, however, including myself, God has called me to see some things like the Da Vinci Code i wrote about in my last post.

And you're right, we shouldn't take what Hollywood says as Gospel. Of course not. That's why it's important to analyze every bit of what is going on to prepare oneself to be able to answer the questions and concerns people may have about the matter. Use scripture and try and find a book that talks about the fact and fiction on the story. For the Da Vinci Code, there were plenty. It wouldn't surprise me if there was one on the Exorcism of Emily Rose as well.

God can use things like this to open people's eyes. Like i said before in my last post, God used the movie "Seven" to open my eyes. My advice is to be careful about what you say in these matters, sometimes we could be interfering with God's work. God used a movie (that many Christians would have told me not to see) to help me understand how sin was affecting people. Soon after that realization (1-2 years), came my conviction and i gave my life over to Christ. God has the power to speak to anyone through anything. What you can do is pray that anyone who winds up watching those movies will be moved by the Holy Spirit. We can't control what they will watch but we can pray that God will still move in their lives regardless of what they choose to do. God can turn all darkness into light.

So, if it causes you to stumble, stay away from it. If God wants you to see it, pray beforehand that you will not be negatively influenced by the material and that you will learn what He wants you to learn. He may give you an idea on a new way to minister to someone... God only knows.
 
I watched the film.

Then I did some research into the actual life of Anneliese Michel, the young woman whose life the story was based upon. I didn't really sense that the film was attempting to cast Christians (in this case the Catholic church) in a negative light. But I also didn't think it was trying to convey any message of faith or hope outside of that shown in the family of the allegedly possessed girl. It sort of walked the line between both extremes.

For myself, after studying the case and careful consideration I believe that she was schizophrenic and not actually possessed by Satan. I do believe in possession, I even witnessed an exorcism once (carried out by A Pentecostal pastor and a visiting Baptist minister, church elders) when I was quite young.

I just don't think the evidence supports possession in the case of Anneliese Michel.
 
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