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The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not meant for everyone, for many cannot receive it, no matter how hard they may try!

Those who are condemned, have condemned themselves, God has not condemned them, they chose not to accept Jesus.

Exactly!

John 3:16; "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:17; "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.


"whoever believes in Him". Whoever chooses to believe in Him.
"the world might be saved through Him". Notice it doesn't say the world "will" be saved, it says "might be" (as in maybe). Why is it a maybe, because it's up to them to choose.
 
So, are you saying in light of "Scripture' that GOD sent His into the world to save mankind, but man have to do something [works of believe] then to earn the right to qualify for GOD to choose him or elect him to not be condemn?

( i did notice you said: "I do not think it is" , good choice of words.
I do not think it is God's will that a person is condemned, to the contrary. John 3:17-21 makes it clear, though God doesn't want any to perish some will be, because 'they have chosen' not to accept Jesus and what He did and went through for them. [ i believe man lost His "ability' and "desire and will" to choose GOD in the garden] and it was replace with the "WILL' "to love darkness rather than light". "Original Sin"! Mankind lost his will to choose God in the Garden.

"Is not that kinda weird that a person "will", will not listen to GOD and hear Him plainly just like you, hear the same words of eternal life and the words of condemnation. Same words and refuse to believe." Or is it, that you are a better person than they are that God and you choose to believe by yourself because your are smarter than they are. Not auguring here, ok. But trying to see, if you are saying than we had to do something of our own initiative by believing. And how did we get to the point, to believe? and they didn't.

"A short bar away here"
May I just say this: It might clear something up for me in our conversation: are you a "Armenian" in your Christian thinking concerning salvation? Or "Semi-Pelagian"? I am not saying these views of "Salvation" is a bad understanding of it, not at all. If you know which branch you lean more to it will help me in our conversation and it will help you also in our addressing the text in this matter. [If not that is also alright]. But i think i will know which branch you lean more to in a shortly.
Neither is a bad thing, "it is just what we call; "different schools of thought" and I am always open up to be persuaded" Getting back to the post>

John 3:17-21 (NKJV)
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I will address the word "wills" or "willing" in "The Context of completed "Holy Scripture" reason, because I believe the answers to most problem texts lies there.

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."

God is not willing that any should perish! I believe the text is affirming that None will perish! Why, because it is stating God's will! Because God promise that None of His, [that belongs to Him] Will Perish! Once saved always save! God "wills" that none whom He has chosen will be lost. For God is Longsuffering for whom? "Us"! May i say this; He waits for the "prodigal child" to come back home after He has seen the Light!

Sorry, Brother-Paul you put a lot of meat on the table, and I tried my best to indulge myself in it, But you had, Chicken, Lamb, some beef, and Duck on the table! And all of it was Good! But "Brother-Paul" i cannot put all of that food in my mouth at the same time and distinguish the flavor!

So I just hop over to the "Desert"! "All that He has chosen, He will not lose no matter what, no not one"! even if He has to leave the "99" to get that one that went astray. For He is not willing that none shall perish and none of His, will perish.
 
Those who are condemned, have condemned themselves, God has not condemned them, they chose not to accept Jesus.

How does that statement fit with this verse:

Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offense of one (Adam) judgement came upon all men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of one(Jesus) the free gift
came upon all men to justification of life."

In which of these 2 situations did any of us have anything to do with the decrees that God has made? For that matter does anyone know why these decrees were made?

John 15:16 "You have not chosen me, I have chosen you...................................
John 6:44 "No one CAN COME TO ME UNLESS THE FATHER WHO SENT ME DRAWS THEM...........NIV

Where is the individual choice in these verses?
 
God doesn't make anyone sin. It is blasphemy to say He does.

Jas 1:12; Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
Jas 1:13; Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
Jas 1:14; But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
Jas 1:15; Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
Jas 1:16; Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.

Even Satan cannot force believers to sin. He can tempt us (and does), but when a man sins, it is because of "his own" lust. Not anything God made us do.
When we start blaming God for our sins, we have a real problem. When we sin, we need to own it and take responsibility for it.
People are not sinners because they sin! People sins because they are sinners! And Christians still sins, but they are commanded to not practice sins, If christian continue to practice sinning and will not repent or confess their sins, and grow into maturity, God will discipline that brother or sister in Christ! What is Jesus doing while He is sitting beside God On the Throne? Making intercession for His own. and not the World. He is the High Priest! And according to the Bible and what does "The High Priest" do? You know but the world does not know.
 
Exactly!

John 3:16; "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:17; "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.


"whoever believes in Him". Whoever chooses to believe in Him.
"the world might be saved through Him". Notice it doesn't say the world "will" be saved, it says "might be" (as in maybe). Why is it a maybe, because it's up to them to choose.


Exactly brother

PTL
 
John 15:16 "You have not chosen me, I have chosen you...................................
John 6:44 "No one CAN COME TO ME UNLESS THE FATHER WHO SENT ME DRAWS THEM...........NIV

He chooses everyone. He draws everyone. Some some don't accept the invitation.

John 6:70; Jesus answered them, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?"

Just because He chooses you doesn't mean you have to accept it.

Luke 10:1; Now after this the Lord appointed seventy others, and sent them in pairs ahead of Him to every city and place where He Himself was going to come.
Luke 10:17; The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."

John 6:65; And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."
John 6:66; As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.

He chose the 70, they chose not to stay with Him.
Some of His disciples that were already 'disciples" (how did they get to be disciples in the first place?) left Him, even though He chose them.

Matt 22:14; "For many are called, but few are chosen."
 
He chooses everyone. He draws everyone. Some some don't accept the invitation.

John 6:70; Jesus answered them, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?"

Just because He chooses you doesn't mean you have to accept it.

Luke 10:1; Now after this the Lord appointed seventy others, and sent them in pairs ahead of Him to every city and place where He Himself was going to come.
Luke 10:17; The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."

John 6:65; And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."
John 6:66; As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.

He chose the 70, they chose not to stay with Him.
Some of His disciples that were already 'disciples" (how did they get to be disciples in the first place?) left Him, even though He chose them.

Matt 22:14; "For many are called, but few are chosen."

The 70 left as it were for the saying of them needing to eat his flesh and drink of his blood. Saying who can hear this?
And to add since the Holy Ghost was not given yet they had not received life so they had not tasted of the goodness of God and who is to say that some if not all
of the 70 were eventually part of the church, just not part of the ministry while he was on the earth? Do we know for sure what their outcome was?

Judas was lost in order to fulfill the scripture. John 17:12

And there was never a response to Romans 5
 
“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Jesus Prays for His Disciples

6“I have revealed you a to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. 7Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. 8For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of b your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. 12While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by c that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

13“I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. 14I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17Sanctify them by d the truth; your word is truth. 18As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

Jesus Prays for All Believers

20“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

24“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

25“Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26I have made you e known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”
Exactly brother

PTL
this is true!
whoever believes in Him shall not perish! The key word "whoever" But everyone has not the "ABILITY" to believe! "Believeth" is a gift. You cannot have real believeth in God until you received the "HOLY SPIRIT"! A person might honor God with their lips and words and say all kinds of biblical affirmations, it does not add up unto a hill of beans! Jesus affirms: no one understands how the Holy Spirit comes upon them or where it comes from, it just come upon them, It comes upon them because, it was ordain by God before the Foundations of The World to be so! Only God knows why He chose you and you did not choose God by anything you have done! So Stop Boasting About how you believe and taking credit for something that has done all by His self and you had no part in it!


Paul did not Believe in Jesus and Paul didn't believe in none of the people that believe in Jesus and he Believe that the messages was all demonic {the Gospel of Jesus Christ}! He did not believe until God knock him down and blinded him and and caught him by the back of his collar and Dragged him down to Damascus and put him in a room. Oh, do you think after all of that, then he got saved? I will say this: "that is when he found out, he was saved" God just has to let him know it! It was the "will of God for Paul not to perish" but Paul's will was to do something else" Now was is the moral of this story: "God's will, supersedes all "wills" when it is the will of God" to supersede your will" it will surely come to pass.

Now isn't that nice.

please excuse my "hyperbole" here ok. i mean no harm, i just wanted to get your attention.
 
He chooses everyone. He draws everyone. Some some don't accept the invitation.


This is just flat out not true as if everyone accepted, the mystery of iniquity would end and there would be no maturity taking place. This will be true someday
but it is not for this dispensation nor the next.

John 12:40 "He hath blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and
I should heal them."
 
So Stop Boasting About how you believe and taking credit for something that has done all by His self and you had no part in it!

Those who live in self righteousness will always condemn those who have not received the same mercy they have. They don't understand the love of God,
just pretty good at quoting the Bible to support doctrines.
 
He chooses everyone. He draws everyone. Some some don't accept the invitation.

John 6:70; Jesus answered them, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?"

Just because He chooses you doesn't mean you have to accept it.

Luke 10:1; Now after this the Lord appointed seventy others, and sent them in pairs ahead of Him to every city and place where He Himself was going to come.
Luke 10:17; The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."

John 6:65; And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."
John 6:66; As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.

He chose the 70, they chose not to stay with Him.
Some of His disciples that were already 'disciples" (how did they get to be disciples in the first place?) left Him, even though He chose them.

Matt 22:14; "For many are called, but few are chosen."


Salvation is a gift from God, a gift is given but may not be accepted. The gift of salvation is available for all, but not all will accept it.
 
"The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not meant for everyone"

yet the bible is clear that it is to be preached to everyone on the planet,


16:15
And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be
my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”


"for many cannot receive it, no matter how hard they may try!"

YEt the bible teaches all who seek shall find it, that sure seems opposite what you say about trying,

Matthew 6:31-33
Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.



Luke 11:9
And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
 
2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.


might

whoever believes in Him shall not perish! The key word "whoever" But everyone has not the "ABILITY" to believe! "Believeth" is a gift. You cannot have real believeth in God until you received the "HOLY SPIRIT"!


So true brother, I had just commented on this, Salvation is a gift from God. The gift is given freely, but not always accepted.

The Free gift of Salvation has to be accepted in the heart, not oral, written or implied, not in the hands, not in the mind, but in the heart.

If the gift is not received with the grace, mercy and love it is given with, in Jesus Name, it is on stony ground, it is on shallow ground, there is no life in a gift from God if it is not accepted open heartedly with love as it is intended.

Bless you
 
"The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not meant for everyone"

yet the bible is clear that it is to be preached to everyone on the planet,


16:15
And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be
my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”


"for many cannot receive it, no matter how hard they may try!"

YEt the bible teaches all who seek shall find it, that sure seems opposite what you say about trying,

Matthew 6:31-33
Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.



Luke 11:9
And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.


So true Dave

We have to open the door of our heart to Jesus, He can knock on the door of the hearts of some all their earthly life, but they don't open the door, they like the darkness, they do not want their sins to be revealed.

Bless you
 
He only does this after they reject Him.
How can they reject something they know nothing about? They are blinded to the Gospel for God has blinded their ears, they ear but don't hear, they think they understand but they don't, they see but they don't see, It 's like person looking for their eyeglasses all day, and their glasses has been sitting on the table all day, right in front them and they don't see them. Or a person looking for their glasses all over the place getting frustrated until by chance they happen to look in the mirror. they see yet not seeing, they had them on all of the time. God is the one who made them dull of hearing and blinding them to the truth so they will not get converted.

True Christians are different, from the foundation of the world, The seed is different. we are sowed on the earth"watered and fertilize' and earth is the field. A lot of true christian do not want to accept, that, it is all God and there is nothing you have done. Because it is humbling and they become undone, "now how shall you live your life on earth' knowing that you had nothing whatsoever to do with your beliefs in God or Jesus. and they look at how they live not honoring Him and there are more people on earth even atheist are faithful to their faith than you are to yours concerning"Bible" truths. and the time you spend in it and how you talk about other people whom God has not chosen. Think about, is it something good about your thinking that made you attractive to GOD because of what you have done. And others are to dumb to except God's mercy and they rather choose death of fire and brimstone. But you are smart all by yourself to choose God's mercy and grace and stick your hand out to receive it. i am sorry, it is not possible for you to except Jesus and believe in him without being "born from above' not matter how you think.

I know it makes you so shame in how you speak and live. Because it makes you Salvation so "Glorious" and beyond your wildest dreams He chose you, He design you as a vessel to receive Mercy and Grace before the beginning of the world it was in HIS drawing room, He did not look down through time to see whether of not that you would receive him! "The is what we call in "theology proper" "Armenianism' GOD does not have to look no where! What he makes, come to be! Our GOD is GOD! what ever HE wants HE GETS! Only thing he has to do, is speak it, and it comes to pass. No one resists HIS WILL! If you think someone resists HIM your GOD is to small! And you need to get another one! "Because my Dog is Bigger than your Dog" because He eats " Ken-L Ration"
 
No mind this ok, just thought about a commercial about a dog food that we as kids song in the "neighborhood"
my Dog is Bigger than your Dog" because He eats " Ken-L Ration" I should have used the clip from Kings when Elijah tease Jezebel prophets. for flavor. Sorry for that. Sometimes i do use bad taste in word and phrases. "reading Martin Luther, John Knox, William Tyndale, and John Hus, and such Reformers will leave a after mask on you. and surely that "Thomas Aguinas" Oh, let us not forget "Jesus" LOL! He got bold with his words also too! smile, I will, He did say: everything i speak comes from the Father! "Hallelujah"
 
Hallelujah brother

I notice you used the Hallelujah

Praise the Lord, sing Hallelujah's, in His Holy and most Precious Name.
 
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