Yes I see that.
With people such as yourself who do say to repent of sin and obey the Words of God.
Only we do not save ourselves. Christ saves us. As you know.
I've experienced tactics of the enemy before that cause misrepresentations and complete misrepresentations.
That's wearing the armour of God in realisation of that.
I didn't wear the armour of God before and it did untold damage as you start to doubt yourself and experience false guilt. That's the enemy's way of trying to knock a child of God down.
On the other hand the bible tells us to be sure of the election and there are a lot of false conversions around and doctrines that lead away from true repentance.
That shouldn't be presented and accused within those who do comply to God within the Knowledge of Christ and have spoken of and experienced true repentance
My own son who I dearly love claims to know God but says strange things that don't show that. I often challenge him because of the eternal perspective because I care.
That's the case with many who are led astray. I can't judge who is truely saved or not but can see who the devil uses.
That may be unintentional like Saul or even when Jesus said to Peter " get behind me Satan". Right after saying other things after recognising who Jesus was.
It's hoped that they will see this when they are humbled to conviction and have a wider vision of Jesus.
I do not believe there is such a thing as false conversions. I do not believe the Father would bother to draw them unto the Son to believe in Him to be saved if they were just doing an "appeasing the public gathering for the moment{ kind of thing.
The problem rests on discipleship which is to follow salvation.
Many evangelicals will preach the gospel message but they nor the church where they hold the event, do not do the follow up necessary which is teaching His commandments so that newly saved believers can live that life of repentance by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help them lay aside every weight & sin in living that newly reconciled relationship with God the Father through Jesus Christ of walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.
Even a simple, "read His words in the N.T. and trust Him to help you understand His words and to help you to do His commandments. By trusting Him to help you to abide in His words in following Him as His disciples is key to having a fruitful life with Him, because Jesus Christ is now in you & with you always as your Good Shepherd & Friend so that you are never alone," is the best way for new believers to recognize the changed reality they are now having as a saved believer.
We should never mix discipleship with salvation because many sinners have tried to change their sinful habits and cannot see it in themselves to even do it before coming to Jesus Christ for salvation and so this is why He is known also as the Deliverer to turn His people from their sins so they will no longer live in them, and not just have eternal life by believing in Him.
The verses below is given to those that are already saved as believers. It comes with a warning on what we build on that foundation after having been saved by believing in Him.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of
sin unto
death, or of obedience unto righteousness?......
.......For the wages of
sin is
death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon.
But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Not every saved believers are given discipleship after salvation so the presentation of the gospel should be checked to make sure that sinners know they can hope in Him to deliver them from their sins and not just for Him to give eternal life for believing in Him.
That is what discipleship is for which is to run that race by faith in Jesus Christ to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily so we do not disqualify ourselves and be found in unrepentant iniquity & be denied by Him and left behind to die for when He comes as the Bridegroom, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven awaiting their resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth to serve the King of kings on earth.
1 Corinthians 9:
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things.
Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a
castaway.
Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,
let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
I do not see the running of that race as a hard yoke or as a heavy burden when He is helping me to trust Him to help me run that race, but not every saved believer knows that truth nor that reality of how He is our Good Shepherd & Friend.
