The Judgement

[spirit1st]

We get our rewards in New Jerusalem . The world gets judged here.

Salvation is a FREE GIFT. It has nothing to do with our works here. Our works are rewarded. Jesus Christ paid the price for Salvation.

Once we are Born -again? HE keeps us and we do not keep ourselves.

1Pe_1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

It says we [Our Spirit man] Cannot sin. why would our new creature not be able to sin?
Because it has the same type prefect mind as our LORD JESUS. and the same Nature . and was born of a prefect seed .

The angels were not born of this seed . Nor was Adam and Eve.

1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jn_5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I know it very hard to see we who dwell in such imperfect bodies. That our Spirit [New Creature] can be so different and prefect without any flaws.

The problem is? Our Spirit cannot be touched by our flesh actions. But we can keep it from growing or taking control of the flesh.

Our Spirit once Born of GOD starts off a baby and needs fed GOD living words to grow and mature. so if we do not read the bible listen to the Holy Ghost ? then we do not grow spiritually.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

We need too see when the Bible talking about our flesh thinking [mind] and when it talking about our spirits mind?

Our flesh wants to serve it self. Our Spirit only wants to please God 100% ,It has No desires for flesh stuff. . It has no desire at all for sex or money or glory.

Many do not read and study the bible and ask the Teacher [The Holy Ghost] for the correct understanding or go to church or pray[Talk with GOD] and wonder why they do not have much of a relationship or see miracles much if any? or are called on by the LORD to do works which bless others ?


Joh_14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

But we must be obeying and doing those things we need do to grow in our Spirit [New Creature] and live though it.


Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son

Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

He said we Break every yoke if we just fast. Few want to make that effort ?

satan got kicked out of heaven for trying to be the god of this world. he bound now to the earth and the heaven here. he can no longer go before god or even say anything against us. No evil thing can enter the new Heaven [New Jerusalem]

he wanted to be equal with GOD. Now God is making us few joint heirs with our LORD JESUS. But of course we are always under Him ,thank God. He gets All the Glory and Honor because He done it all for us.

No one is perfect outwardly. We are all born into sin and our flesh dies because of it. He did not die to save our flesh. It part of this planet and the planet gets destroyed 100%
He died that we could be made new creatures who cannot sin. Made in the image of our LORD JESUS . And we know He was tempted and tried and did not sin.

Gal_4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Rom_8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit,
1Co_2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Our Spirit man mind is the same as our LORD and Creator , but just not all the knowledge yet?

2Pe_1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.


That nature is prefect nature. Which Adam and Eve ,nor the angels have. Hard to be believe just How much God has made us or given us?

Rom_6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life


Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

It done at Salvation , the New Creature He makes those willing.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Gal_6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

What law is the Law of CHRIST?
LOVE

Eph_3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

Tit_3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;


Salvation is eternal too One and All 100%

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Nothing can take us from HIM . He then takes responsibility For His family and household like the best Father Ever.

This is the way I see it.

 

[spirit1st]

I heard a preacher today. saying it means you just do not sin normally. That not truth. Every person on earth sins at times. No one here in the flesh or anything on this planet is ever perfect . Only our Spirit after the New birth is perfect and we cannot see it.

The more we grow in truth ? The more we will not sin outwardly . The new Creature Never can sin. That the child of God our spirit. We just try hard not to sin in our flesh mind and body. We are no better than others in the flesh. we too die because of Sin. But the true eternal us [our spirit ]Never dies. We are not even counted as part of this world any more. Our Home is NEW JERUSALEM.

Once we dump this sin filled body we are Home,in less than a blink and get our New body like HIS.

I been dead both ways. I guess ?He allowed me to experience it both ways ,so i could tell others. But it so quick .

Joh_17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

I think ? God leaves us in these weak flesh bodies ,so we can lead others to the LORD and help others and plant SEEDS of truth in others?
just my thinking on it.
HE LOVES us and knows what He can makes us if we are willing. It such a Great and mighty work He been doing and is doing.

 

[B-A-C]

HE LOVES us and knows what He can makes us if we are willing.

If we are willing.

1 Pet 4:17; For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
1 Pet 4:18; AND IF IT IS WITH DIFFICULTY THAT THE RIGHTEOUS IS SAVED, WHAT WILL BECOME OF THE GODLESS MAN AND THE SINNER?

John 5:14; Afterward Jesus *found him in the temple and said to him, "Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you."

Matt 12:43; "Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it.
Matt 12:44; "Then it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came'; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order.
Matt 12:45; "Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation."

2 Pet 2:20; For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
2 Pet 2:21; For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
2 Pet 2:22; It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

Sometimes when things are put away "swept and put in order" or people have "escaped the defilements of the world" those are times we should be careful.
Both of the passages above say "the last state becomes worse than the first".

Gal 5:1; It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
Matt 26:41; "Keep watching and praying that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

 

[Stan53]

Separation of Sheep and Goats = Matthew 25:31-46, Romans 2:6-7 and 14:12 (Post Rapture)
White Throne or Judgment Seat of Christ = Rev 20:11-15 and 2 Cor 5:10 (Post Millennium)

 

[DHC]

Gal 5:1; It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

Gal 5:1; It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

Hello B-A-C.

What is the 'yoke of slavery'?

 

[B-A-C]

Hello B-A-C.

What is the 'yoke of slavery'

Rom 6:6; knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;
Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
Rom 6:17; But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,
Rom 6:18; and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
Rom 6:20; For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.

Matt 5:29; "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt 5:30; "If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

 

[spirit1st]

Because we can over come though our Spirit and nothing held against us in the flesh in the Eternal .
That does not mean we will not pay a price while on earth if we allow our flesh to do evil . We will not suffer in the eternal but we can in the flesh.
No one likes being sickly . But the churches are full of weak and sick people .

 

[DHC]

Rom 6:6; knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;
Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
Rom 6:17; But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,
Rom 6:18; and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
Rom 6:20; For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.

Matt 5:29; "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt 5:30; "If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

Hello B-A-C.

Do appreciate the reply that you offered although your post ignored the context.
Your reply was far too general you must strive to be more specific B-A-C.

Galatians 5:1
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and
do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

Paul explains what 'slavery' means within the letter to the Galatians. We only
need to turn back the page.

Galatians 4
21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman
and one by the free woman.
23 But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and
the son by the free woman through the promise.
24 This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants:
one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.
25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem,
for she is in slavery with her children.
26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.

The 'yoke of slavery' is in fact the old covenant. Paul states that 'slavery' means the children
born of Mt Sinai, children enslaved to the law! So the yoke of slavery is none other than
the ten commandments at the least.

See B-A-C that was not difficult, context is a wonderful tool.

If you require further evidence to support the above I will oblige.

 

[B-A-C]

21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?

This is familiar ground for both of us now. :shade:
But perhaps you are right... There are several ways to look at this.

1. We aren't supposed to do any of things in the commandments. We aren't supposed to love our neighbors or God, we aren't supposed to avoid adultery, murder or stealing.
I guess that's one way to look at it.
I believe you said once, "sins such as adultery, murder and homosexuality are irrelevant". I don't have the exact quote handy, and I may have misquoted you, if so.. forgive me.
In that case, if sin is irrelevant, then it doesn't matter whether I follow the commandments or not. As long as I'm not depending on my obedience to them for salvation, what difference does it make?
2. The second way some people view this is, the law is separate from the commandments. The"law" is the penalty for not following the commandments.
3. Yet a third way to look at this...
We have many verses in the New Testament that say we aren't under the law anymore. Some specifically tie the law to salvation, well we both agree following the law won't save us, so I'll skip that.
Then in what seems like total conflict, we are given two "new" commandments to follow (which really aren't new). And after this, we told 8 times in the New Testament to "follow the commandments".
So which is it? Do we, or don't we. Either way we are wrong.... unless....
We are supposed to follow them, but it no longer matters if we follow them 100% (because he who breaks part of the law, breaks the whole law ( Jas 2:10; )). Well, we know no one can follow them 100%.
So what do we do.... some try to pick a number.... Maybe we should try to follow the commandments 50% of the time. Hmmm... I wonder if even that is possible sometimes.
I don't think there is a specific percent that we have to obey. I think we are just supposed to do the best we can. Jesus and grace take care of the rest. On the other hand, if we aren't trying at all,
then I'm not sure grace covers that. Faith without works is dead.

I wish I could draw a graph on here. Starting at maybe 5%, the next day is 3%, the next day is 4%, the next day is 5%, the next day is 6%... and so on, and so forth.... and looking back several
years later, I'm still pretty close to 5%. I never really improved. Jesus and grace covered the other 95% every day for the rest of my life.
Now imagine another graph, also starting at 5%, and over the next few years, it goes up and down, there are good days and there are bad days. But now several years later, I can see I'm able to follow the commandments at least, oh say 40% of the time, over the last few years. Well, that still isn't even 50%, but it's an improvement. It shows progress, it shows I am trying. Now Jesus and grace only have to supply 60% of the grace, instead of 95% everyday. And who knows, maybe in a few years, I'll be able to follow the commandments 70 or 80% of the time.
This process of taking off the old sinful self, and putting on the new man, and crucifying ourselves daily in order to become more like Jesus, is also known as sanctification. I don't think we ever reach 100% while we are here on this earth. In fact, if we ever think we can do it 100% on our own, then we no longer would need Jesus. (This would be going back to depending on the law for salvation). We always need some grace from Jesus every day. The good news is, the grace is there. We are no longer under the yoke of having to follow the law 100%. But we are still obligated to try. This grace that covers us when we fail, is how Jesus fulfills the law. (He didn't abolish the law, only the penalty for us).

Gal 2:16; nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Gal 3:11; Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

and yet....

Matt 19:17; And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."
John 14:15; "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
John 15:10; "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
1 Jn 2:3; By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1 Jn 2:4; The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
1 Jn 3:22; and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.
1 Jn 5:3; For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
Rev 12:17; So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Rev 14:12; Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

To me, the only way both sides make sense is.. to just do the best we can, and let grace cover the rest.