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I covered Gods seal in post #7
The mark of the man/beast
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Your conclusion is baloney
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Everyone has an opinion, mine is based on the words of God.
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But there is no correlation showing that Paul is actually talking about John . There is nothing that actually ties the two. As an example in the old testiment , it talks about the four horses , colors and the direction each goes in . And in the writings of John ( Revelations ) he also writes of the first four seals. So you can see in both writings, there is a correlation of the two writings , letting the reader know, both are on the same subject.
But with your hypothesis, there is no correlation, only speculation
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I provided both Old Testament and New Testament scriptures to prove my points. You assume Paul needed to read the Revelation in order to know about the mark of sin, and being sold under sin. But the OT prophets spoke of it….
Just as it is written in 1 John 3:8 He that commits sin is of the devil;…” And by your master, according to whom you serve you are also marked, just as Cain was marked because of sin.
Also in Job 7:20 “I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?”
Job 10:14 “If I sin, then thou markest me, and thou wilt not acquit me from mine iniquity.”
Psalm 130:3 If thou, Lord, should mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?
Jeremiah 2:22 For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord.
So the OT prophets spoke of the mark, stain, blemish, of sin. And all the apostles understood this as well, they did not need John to tell them.
Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
The mark of the beast may very well be that biochip that is being used to buy & sell now in Europe but it is not the mark of the beast yet until it becomes the only means to buy & sell in the coming New World Order for the duration of the great tribulation as that will be the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth.
After the rapture event when God will judge His House first, is when the everlasting gospel will go out to every person in the world by that first angel so that everyone will have heard and know the gospel. Then that second angel will announce a fiery calamity that destroyed one third of the earth, hence the fall of Babylon USA, thus sending the world into an economic chaos for why the mark of the beast system will come about as if it is necessary to pool the remaining world's resources under one umbrella and to have a system everyone will agree to so everyone can get their fair share to survive in that coming New World Order BUT the third angel will inform every one that by taking the mark, they will be cast into the lake of fire, the second death so they will not be without excuse about not knowing the consequence for taking the mark.
Revelation 14:1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
The rapture event took 144,000 virgin men from the earth that made up His personal choir that follows Him around where ever He goes. They are not the only ones, but testifying to who made up His personal choir in Heaven.
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Those 3 angels sets up the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth, the remaining 2/3rds of it not destroyed by that fiery calamity.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
So verse 12 is for why those that are raptured while verse 13 is why those who did not keep His commadments in following Him as His dsciples nor kept the faith in Jesus Christ but have fallen away are left behind to die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven awaiting for thewir resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House for not dpearting from iniquity before the Bridegroom had come; hence the vessels of wood & earth in His House.
Do feel free to ask questions or clarifications and God be willing, I am still around to answer them by His grace & by His help since wisdom comes from the Lord and not from me. He in you will confirm His wisdom to you.
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
The mark of the beast may very well be that biochip that is being used to buy & sell now in Europe but it is not the mark of the beast yet until it becomes the only means to buy & sell in the coming New World Order for the duration of the great tribulation as that will be the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth.
After the rapture event when God will judge His House first, is when the everlasting gospel will go out to every person in the world by that first angel so that everyone will have heard and know the gospel. Then that second angel will announce a fiery calamity that destroyed one third of the earth, hence the fall of Babylon USA, thus sending the world into an economic chaos for why the mark of the beast system will come about as if it is necessary to pool the remaining world's resources under one umbrella and to have a system everyone will agree to so everyone can get their fair share to survive in that coming New World Order BUT the third angel will inform every one that by taking the mark, they will be cast into the lake of fire, the second death so they will not be without excuse about not knowing the consequence for taking the mark.
Revelation 14:1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
The rapture event took 144,000 virgin men from the earth that made up His personal choir that follows Him around where ever He goes. They are not the only ones, but testifying to who made up His personal choir in Heaven.
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Those 3 angels sets up the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth, the remaining 2/3rds of it not destroyed by that fiery calamity.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
So verse 12 is for why those that are raptured while verse 13 is why those who did not keep His commadments in following Him as His dsciples nor kept the faith in Jesus Christ but have fallen away are left behind to die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven awaiting for thewir resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House for not dpearting from iniquity before the Bridegroom had come; hence the vessels of wood & earth in His House.
Do feel free to ask questions or clarifications and God be willing, I am still around to answer them by His grace & by His help since wisdom comes from the Lord and not from me. He in you will confirm His wisdom to you.
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Now moving on to the buying and selling aspect of the mark.
In Revelation 13:17 we read; “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” As I’ve noted in other studies I believe the mark of the beast is a spiritual inward mark (heart and mind of the beast) which speaks of the firstborn carnally minded man. But what of the meaning of buying and selling, and just what are they buying and selling?
Many believe this buying and selling to be of food and clothing and other material things, but the Lord said we cannot serve 2 masters (God and mammon) and that we should take no thought for these things. Matthew 6:31 “Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?” As the Lord also promised we would be given all these things if we seek first the Kingdom of God. So what is the buying and selling aspect of the mark? Esau was a sign of this when he sold his own birthright and inheritance for some of that red pottage, again the color red symbolizing sin. We also see this in 1 Kings 21:25 where Ahab would sell himself out to work wickedness in the sight of the Lord. God said in Isaiah 50:1 Behold for your iniquities have you sold yourselves. Paul said in Romans 7:14 that being carnal is to be sold under sin. Jesus asked the question, what would a man give in exchange for his soul? We also see the buying and selling of slaves, and the souls in men in Revelation 18:13.
I believe the other aspect of this buying and selling is shown In Proverbs 23:23 it is written “Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.” Jesus said in Revelation 3:18; “I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.”
We know Jesus wasn’t actually selling literal gold for others to buy, but rather this verse is symbolic just as Revelation 13:17 also speaks of spiritual things like the buying and selling of wisdom and understanding. We know by scripture that Godly knowledge is given to us freely like a gift when we receive the Holy Spirit. So those who are of the world seek to buy and sell things, but those who are chosen by God are freely given gifts from God.
Romans 8:32; “He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 1 Corinthians 2:12; “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.”
Just as we also receive the knowledge of the Truth by way of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. John 16:13; “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
The Holy Spirit is like the anointing oil of the Lord, which lightens our way in an evil and darkened world. Which brings us to another clue to solve this mystery of buying and selling as seen here in the 5 wise, and 5 foolish virgins in Matthew 25:9; “But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.”
Notice it was the wise virgins that took oil in their vessels to lighten their lamps, but the lamps of the foolish went out because of the lack of oil. Here we see the connection between the wisdom which only comes from God by His Holy Spirit (anointing oil) and the earthly wisdom of the world (which is truly foolishness) and is sold to others as the truth.
1 Corinthians 1:20; “Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?1 Corinthians 3:19; “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.”
And was it not because they did not seek the free gift of wisdom from the Lord by faith? James 1:5; “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. James 1:6; “But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.”
In Daniel 12:10 we are told “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
In Revelation 13:17 we read; “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” As I’ve noted in other studies I believe the mark of the beast is a spiritual inward mark (heart and mind of the beast) which speaks of the firstborn carnally minded man. But what of the meaning of buying and selling, and just what are they buying and selling?
Many believe this buying and selling to be of food and clothing and other material things, but the Lord said we cannot serve 2 masters (God and mammon) and that we should take no thought for these things. Matthew 6:31 “Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?” As the Lord also promised we would be given all these things if we seek first the Kingdom of God. So what is the buying and selling aspect of the mark? Esau was a sign of this when he sold his own birthright and inheritance for some of that red pottage, again the color red symbolizing sin. We also see this in 1 Kings 21:25 where Ahab would sell himself out to work wickedness in the sight of the Lord. God said in Isaiah 50:1 Behold for your iniquities have you sold yourselves. Paul said in Romans 7:14 that being carnal is to be sold under sin. Jesus asked the question, what would a man give in exchange for his soul? We also see the buying and selling of slaves, and the souls in men in Revelation 18:13.
I believe the other aspect of this buying and selling is shown In Proverbs 23:23 it is written “Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.” Jesus said in Revelation 3:18; “I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.”
We know Jesus wasn’t actually selling literal gold for others to buy, but rather this verse is symbolic just as Revelation 13:17 also speaks of spiritual things like the buying and selling of wisdom and understanding. We know by scripture that Godly knowledge is given to us freely like a gift when we receive the Holy Spirit. So those who are of the world seek to buy and sell things, but those who are chosen by God are freely given gifts from God.
Romans 8:32; “He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 1 Corinthians 2:12; “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.”
Just as we also receive the knowledge of the Truth by way of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. John 16:13; “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
The Holy Spirit is like the anointing oil of the Lord, which lightens our way in an evil and darkened world. Which brings us to another clue to solve this mystery of buying and selling as seen here in the 5 wise, and 5 foolish virgins in Matthew 25:9; “But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.”
Notice it was the wise virgins that took oil in their vessels to lighten their lamps, but the lamps of the foolish went out because of the lack of oil. Here we see the connection between the wisdom which only comes from God by His Holy Spirit (anointing oil) and the earthly wisdom of the world (which is truly foolishness) and is sold to others as the truth.
1 Corinthians 1:20; “Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?1 Corinthians 3:19; “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.”
And was it not because they did not seek the free gift of wisdom from the Lord by faith? James 1:5; “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. James 1:6; “But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.”
In Daniel 12:10 we are told “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
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We know this Beast mentality was present during Jesus and the apostle’s time, as is witnessed by the apostles themselves. One characteristic of these natural brute beasts (natural man) would be they also understand not the spiritual things of God. Paul fought with those carnally minded men who were of the body of the scarlet beast, and of the synagogue of Satan at Ephesus, whose manner is of men. 1 Corinthians 15:32 “If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus,…”
This same mannerism working in the first natural man is empowered by the Red Dragon, giving these carnally minded men preachers, teachers, prophets, politicians, scientists, and even world leaders a place and seat of authority for a time in this evil world. Remember what the Devil said to Jesus about worshipping him and promising Jesus all the kingdoms of the world. It is the same today for those who worship the Devil by serving sin and serving the unrighteous money; they are given a place of power and authority for a time in this present evil world. This manner and power is of the Serpent includes being cunning and crafty, with words often times as smooth as oil.
The son’s nature is like his father’s nature, as the scarlet beasts nature is as the Devils nature and way as well; just as the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. The Devil is also known as the Prince of the power of the air= doctrine breathed and moved by his spirit= wind Ephesians 4:14 “That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;”
And again the characteristics and nature of those who are of the Beast are spoken of by the apostles, these being evil and unable to understand the spiritual things of God because they are still in sin, and thereby still in darkness.
2 Peter 2:12 “But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;”
Jude 1:10 “But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.”
1 Corinthians 2:14 “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 John 4:6 “We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.”
This same mannerism working in the first natural man is empowered by the Red Dragon, giving these carnally minded men preachers, teachers, prophets, politicians, scientists, and even world leaders a place and seat of authority for a time in this evil world. Remember what the Devil said to Jesus about worshipping him and promising Jesus all the kingdoms of the world. It is the same today for those who worship the Devil by serving sin and serving the unrighteous money; they are given a place of power and authority for a time in this present evil world. This manner and power is of the Serpent includes being cunning and crafty, with words often times as smooth as oil.
The son’s nature is like his father’s nature, as the scarlet beasts nature is as the Devils nature and way as well; just as the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. The Devil is also known as the Prince of the power of the air= doctrine breathed and moved by his spirit= wind Ephesians 4:14 “That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;”
And again the characteristics and nature of those who are of the Beast are spoken of by the apostles, these being evil and unable to understand the spiritual things of God because they are still in sin, and thereby still in darkness.
2 Peter 2:12 “But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;”
Jude 1:10 “But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.”
1 Corinthians 2:14 “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 John 4:6 “We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.”
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Here is a less speculative observation and in current events and real terms more concerning. In Canada by the Canadian government money itself has been weaponized. The bank accounts of protesters along with MV registrations suspended or cancelled. These citizens once their cash runs out cannot buy or sell with any future of retaining any wealth generated. So what has happened in Canada is on it's way in The US and globally. A power has crawled out from under it's rock having been concealed from our view. WHAT SHOULD WE DO?
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I want to briefly explain why some of the mainstream ideas about the mark of the man/beast do not pass the scriptural sniff test. If your doctrine and your interpretation of scripture does not align with the words of God, then it is just the doctrine of men. If your doctrine cannot be proven and confirmed by the words of God, then it is just the words of men. I spent several years online sharing my thoughts, views, and insights into God's written words after receiving the anointing of the Holy Spirit back in 2007. And 2 of the mainstream ideas I heard from others about the mark of the beast is, #1 It is a physical mark, like a tattoo. And #2 It is a microchip that is to be implanted into the head or hand. Both of these ideas were based on the belief that you would not be able to buy or sell food and clothing etc. without the tatoo or implant.
The first reason I do not believe this is, those who pushed this theory could not provide one verse of scripture to prove this theory. Neither could they show by the words of God how a tattoo or microchip could be tied to the name, the number, or the image of the man/beast. Again if you cannot prove your ideas and interpretation by the written words of God, then it is just the theories of men. The second reason these views do not pass the sniff test, is because they actually are contrary to the words of Jesus. People assume the buying and selling aspect of the mark has to do with the buying and selling of food and clothing. But the words of God do not specify what is being bought and sold in Revelation 13:17. Also Jesus said in Matthew 6:24-25 that you cannot serve 2 masters, you cannot serve God and the unrighteous mammon. Jesus also goes on to say in verse 25 “ Take no thought for your life, what you shall eat or what you shall drink, nor for your body, what you shall put on.” Jesus goes on to say in verse 32 that these things are what the Gentiles seek. So you see why the uncircumcised in heart (Gentiles) would worry about buying and selling food and clothing. Jesus goes on to tell his disciples that if we seek first the Kingdom of God, and His righteousness, all these things shall be given unto you. So if you believe in God's Word, you need not worry about food and clothing etc.
Also, there are already many different ways to purchase goods and materials. There is cash, credit, check, credit card, trading etc. So why would a tattoo or microchip be any more evil than any other means of purchasing food or clothing? It is the love of money that is at the root of all evil, not the way we purchase goods. The biggest false idol in the world today is to covet money and materialism, as it is written, covetousness is Idolatry.
Which brings me to another reason these 2 ideas are not the mark of the man/beast. Jesus said in Mark 7:18-19 that whatsoever thing that is outside a man, that enters into a man, it cannot defile a man. Because it does not enter into his heart. And neither does a tattoo or microchip enter into a person's heart/ mind/ spirit. In the context of that verse Jesus was talking about food and drink, but this is true about all physical things that are outside of a man. Jesus goes on to tell us what defiles a man, and it is that which comes out of man that defiles a man. In verse 21-23 Jesus says “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness; all these evils come from within a man, and defile a man.
So it is what is going on in the heart and mind that matters, as God looks upon the heart of man, not his outward appearance. Jesus said in Luke 6:43-45 That a good tree does not bring forth corrupt fruit: neither does a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. For every tree is known by his fruit. Jesus goes on to say in verse 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks. So no mark on the outside of man can enter into his heart/mind/spirit.
The first reason I do not believe this is, those who pushed this theory could not provide one verse of scripture to prove this theory. Neither could they show by the words of God how a tattoo or microchip could be tied to the name, the number, or the image of the man/beast. Again if you cannot prove your ideas and interpretation by the written words of God, then it is just the theories of men. The second reason these views do not pass the sniff test, is because they actually are contrary to the words of Jesus. People assume the buying and selling aspect of the mark has to do with the buying and selling of food and clothing. But the words of God do not specify what is being bought and sold in Revelation 13:17. Also Jesus said in Matthew 6:24-25 that you cannot serve 2 masters, you cannot serve God and the unrighteous mammon. Jesus also goes on to say in verse 25 “ Take no thought for your life, what you shall eat or what you shall drink, nor for your body, what you shall put on.” Jesus goes on to say in verse 32 that these things are what the Gentiles seek. So you see why the uncircumcised in heart (Gentiles) would worry about buying and selling food and clothing. Jesus goes on to tell his disciples that if we seek first the Kingdom of God, and His righteousness, all these things shall be given unto you. So if you believe in God's Word, you need not worry about food and clothing etc.
Also, there are already many different ways to purchase goods and materials. There is cash, credit, check, credit card, trading etc. So why would a tattoo or microchip be any more evil than any other means of purchasing food or clothing? It is the love of money that is at the root of all evil, not the way we purchase goods. The biggest false idol in the world today is to covet money and materialism, as it is written, covetousness is Idolatry.
Which brings me to another reason these 2 ideas are not the mark of the man/beast. Jesus said in Mark 7:18-19 that whatsoever thing that is outside a man, that enters into a man, it cannot defile a man. Because it does not enter into his heart. And neither does a tattoo or microchip enter into a person's heart/ mind/ spirit. In the context of that verse Jesus was talking about food and drink, but this is true about all physical things that are outside of a man. Jesus goes on to tell us what defiles a man, and it is that which comes out of man that defiles a man. In verse 21-23 Jesus says “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness; all these evils come from within a man, and defile a man.
So it is what is going on in the heart and mind that matters, as God looks upon the heart of man, not his outward appearance. Jesus said in Luke 6:43-45 That a good tree does not bring forth corrupt fruit: neither does a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. For every tree is known by his fruit. Jesus goes on to say in verse 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks. So no mark on the outside of man can enter into his heart/mind/spirit.
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It should be obvious to anyone that to impose this system a mark is not needed so the fact is already preceding the deed. Will not the deed be easily swallowed by a godless people who's secular perceptions prevail in current politics? What should we be advocating scriptural nuances or real respectful relationships with money and with our governments.
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The deed of sin has already been swallowed, and the mark of sin has been around since Adam and Cain.
It does not matter if governments try to starve or kill the saints of God, that death is to the body only, not to the soul. Jesus said in
Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
Most people are concerned about the visible temporal things, and not about the invisible and eternal things. The mark of sin leads to eternal damnation.
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I find these kinds of remarks a dismissal of the actual value of sinners and saints alike. My Bible discusses the very real value of everyone expressed in God Himself on the Cross. I think you are losing that priceless perspective, the value and the purpose of The Blood. You may find this offensive to you but I think it needs to be said and explored.
Revelation 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
The beast will be killing saints with the sword and with hunger and by hunger is by not having the mark of the beast to be able to buy & sell in order to survive during that great tribulation.
Do rethink your premise with the Lord, brother.
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I Don't see relevance to your recounting in this scripture quote a method of death comparing to the mark of the beast. The point I made is the system and the will and permissiveness of the populace to accomplish complete economic control without the mark or anything other than the will of the government is in place currently right now today. There are no protections that chaos real or created could not overcome and find the majority of the populace even advocating such control. The time has arrived to deeply consider not pulling the scripture apart but the depth and purity of our faithful attachment to The Lord Jesus Christ In Spirit and In Truth. My point on what I have brought up is that the time is here, right at the door and we, all of us will face persecution by our governments.
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God has allowed plenty of time for sinners to come to repentance , the days of ignorance are over. The blood of Christ only washes those who truly believe in him.
Those who reject the saving grace in Jesus Christ, and continue on living in sin are blotted out of God’s book of Life. As I showed earlier…..
Here is another way to prove that the mark of the beast is sin. Notice below it says in
Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
And here in
Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
So how do you get your name blotted out of Gods book of life? The answer is shown here in
Exodus 32:33
And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”
This confirms the message above, it is sin that causes one to be blotted out of Gods book of life. It is sin that causes one to be cast into the lake of fire.
So hopefully many will now see the importance of having your sins forgiven, and being made free from future sin by the power of the cross and the power of Gods grace found in Jesus Christ.
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I have a question for you. At what point will you know , for certain , that the rapture does not take place .
Everyone is so bent on the great escape to take place before the antichrist . As if you are so " worthy " to escape the sufferings the rest of the world must endure.
Have you never bothered to listen to the Lord speaking . When the servants find an enemy has sown weeds into the field, what does the Master say. Allow the weeds and wheat to grow together , then at harvest time the two will be separated.
So now, at what point will the false teaching expire . When the Great Day of the Lord comes ( 6th seal ) . Because as scripture states, it wont be till that time when people will know exactly where they are. " Run and hide for the Great Day of His wrath has come, who will stand against it"
No my friend , there will be no escape . You and all the Christians of this day and age are already walking in the days of Revelations. When the Six Seal finally breaks, you will know too.
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Who are you to tell God sinners have had plenty of time, hypocrite
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Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
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What this is saying , is calling sinners TO repent
What you stated before was sinners already HAD the time to repent
Completely 2 different concepts.
So again, by what right , can you tell God , sinners have had enough time to repent?
