The Meaning of Biblical Predestination, which is The Predestination of GOD.

[PloughBoy]

 

[Butch5]

If only he understood Ephesians 1 maybe he'd realize that his doctrine of Predestination isn't Biblical.

 

[PloughBoy]

How many universities did you go to, And what university did you learn the Koine Greek language. And what universities have you taught in. And what other academic studies have you taught. And what field of "Theology" is your speciality? That some one would take your word for anything! Especially concerning Biblical thought? Where is your authrothy! Where is your works, Show us your Faith by your works, that gives you the authrothy to even concerning the Word of GOD?

You critique by brother in Christ Jesus concerning his Work, now i am critiquing your work and by whos aurhority and what authority do you have to declare one a false teacher and his works are no good, pertaining to the works of GOD.

And i do not belive that you can even read The Word of GOD but only a translate thought of what a man thinks what GOD has said.

This world is full of want to bees. And the Truth is laying prostrated in the streets. And those who need to speak up are nothing but a "Society of "Luke Warms" lying down on the "Ivory Bed" of ease. Fallen in love with the world of lies and "biblical Imaginations" and hove label it "The Truth". Without an ounce of "Divine Authority" and neither the Words to prove it. As God has spoken in the Book Of Ezekiel , they have fed my people the slop that come off the feet that the Swine have trample on, under their hoofs and compel my people to eat."

But in due time when Jesus shall arrive! For HE shall Rule with a. "Iron Septer!
And a lot of people are not goinging to make it in, because many don't need to be there, and GOD don't want all people to be there. For many are Rebellious now and many will be rebellious if they enter into Glory! All of us are rebellious hard headed stiff necked people, And many think we know more about God's plan than He Does. People think that GOD think just like they do! Like GOD got to look somewhere to determine the out come! And He wishes things to come to be! LOL!

No wonder Jesus gave an "Anthropomorphic" illustration>. Who are you, get out of here, I don't even Know YOU! Let alone have a "Conversation" with you! SWISH Into outer darkness you go!


Sorry but you Alarm me concerning Ephesians 1, like you are The Authority on the WORD of GOD and you cannot even speak it of read it. But only understands "translations" that is not even translate Words of The Orginal Copied Manuscript of what GOD actually said!

Then condemn another who knows.
Who do you think i learn Creek from, Creek Synrax, Greek words from, the meaning of Greek Words why used the Greek and Hebrew language to convey His Truth and why God created the English Language to convey the translation of the Biblical text.

I never wasted my time to view basketball, baseball, nascar, hockey, Football statisics games or any game on TV sports pages magazines, those times was in the things pertaining to the Word of GOD and how to study it. All kinds Dictionaries, Lexicons, Archaeology Digs of Ancient Biblical cities. To check the authenticity of Holy Scripture of the cities and culture of those places.

I will say it again I am no "Jackleg"! I am not a person who love to engage into "plagiarism" for it does me no good in the "Knowledge pertaing to GOD. Which carries on throughout Eternity where there is no end.

But i know many of christains dont need to go to school , dont need to learn word meanings, they dont need dictionaies, foriegn languages, lexicons for they speak in tongues, they dont need to know the art of certain Languages and how they are applied. Especially the biblical text, they dont need any form "Hermeneutics", they don't need to know nothing about the difference between eisegesis and exegesis. They dont need to know the difference between "Theology and Christology and the study of Religion. They dont need to know nothing about the difference of the words of an unconverted unregenerate man recorded in the Bible and the Words of GOD recorded in The Bible. They do not want that type of intelligence which is plainly seen within its pages. And neither do they care to know by the "Simplicity of Christ" in which GOD has made it so simple that a mere Child may understand. But many refer to "Strain at a net and swallow a Camel"!

"And by Their Fruits they bare, you will know who they are"

PS. How can any Child of The Living GOD has so much PRIDE within themselves, has the AUDACITY to even think they have the "Ability" to Choose Jesus or GOD n behave of their own salvation! And have the nerve to brag and claim what They have done to choose Jesus! And to belittle "The Almighty GOD" that He has to look somewhere to determine who would choose Him! And then that is the decision and criteria in His deciding Factor on choosing someone into Eternal Life!

And these are the same ones, who have declared that The day Adam and Eve did not die the day that they ate from the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil", when GOD had said: "For in the day that thou eatest therefore thou Shalt SURELY DIE.
But these people has Relentess throughout the years has done their best to expalin this Truth away!
Dead men cannot aid themselves unto Salvation for they are DEAD unto GOD!

And most to not understand this. why is that so? Because They are DEAD! And don't know it! And many don't know the language of Death pertaining to the language of GOD!

How about those "Tongues"

 

[Butch5]

How many universities did you go to, And what university did you learn the Koine Greek language. And what universities have you taught in. And what other academic studies have you taught. And what field of "Theology" is your speciality? That some one would take your word for anything! Especially concerning Biblical thought? Where is your authrothy! Where is your works, Show us your Faith by your works, that gives you the authrothy to even concerning the Word of GOD?

You critique by brother in Christ Jesus concerning his Work, now i am critiquing your work and by whos aurhority and what authority do you have to declare one a false teacher and his works are no good, pertaining to the works of GOD.

And i do not belive that you can even read The Word of GOD but only a translate thought of what a man thinks what GOD has said.

This world is full of want to bees. And the Truth is laying prostrated in the streets. And those who need to speak up are nothing but a "Society of "Luke Warms" lying down on the "Ivory Bed" of ease. Fallen in love with the world of lies and "biblical Imaginations" and hove label it "The Truth". Without an ounce of "Divine Authority" and neither the Words to prove it. As God has spoken in the Book Of Ezekiel , they have fed my people the slop that come off the feet that the Swine have trample on, under their hoofs and compel my people to eat."

But in due time when Jesus shall arrive! For HE shall Rule with a. "Iron Septer!
And a lot of people are not goinging to make it in, because many don't need to be there, and GOD don't want all people to be there. For many are Rebellious now and many will be rebellious if they enter into Glory! All of us are rebellious hard headed stiff necked people, And many think we know more about God's plan than He Does. People think that GOD think just like they do! Like GOD got to look somewhere to determine the out come! And He wishes things to come to be! LOL!

No wonder Jesus gave an "Anthropomorphic" illustration>. Who are you, get out of here, I don't even Know YOU! Let alone have a "Conversation" with you! SWISH Into outer darkness you go!


Sorry but you Alarm me concerning Ephesians 1, like you are The Authority on the WORD of GOD and you cannot even speak it of read it. But only understands "translations" that is not even translate Words of The Orginal Copied Manuscript of what GOD actually said!

Then condemn another who knows.
Who do you think i learn Creek from, Creek Synrax, Greek words from, the meaning of Greek Words why used the Greek and Hebrew language to convey His Truth and why God created the English Language to convey the translation of the Biblical text.

I never wasted my time to view basketball, baseball, nascar, hockey, Football statisics games or any game on TV sports pages magazines, those times was in the things pertaining to the Word of GOD and how to study it. All kinds Dictionaries, Lexicons, Archaeology Digs of Ancient Biblical cities. To check the authenticity of Holy Scripture of the cities and culture of those places.

I will say it again I am no "Jackleg"! I am not a person who love to engage into "plagiarism" for it does me no good in the "Knowledge pertaing to GOD. Which carries on throughout Eternity where there is no end.

But i know many of christains dont need to go to school , dont need to learn word meanings, they dont need dictionaies, foriegn languages, lexicons for they speak in tongues, they dont need to know the art of certain Languages and how they are applied. Especially the biblical text, they dont need any form "Hermeneutics", they don't need to know nothing about the difference between eisegesis and exegesis. They dont need to know the difference between "Theology and Christology and the study of Religion. They dont need to know nothing about the difference of the words of an unconverted unregenerate man recorded in the Bible and the Words of GOD recorded in The Bible. They do not want that type of intelligence which is plainly seen within its pages. And neither do they care to know by the "Simplicity of Christ" in which GOD has made it so simple that a mere Child may understand. But many refer to "Strain at a net and swallow a Camel"!

"And by Their Fruits they bare, you will know who they are"

PS. How can any Child of The Living GOD has so much PRIDE within themselves, has the AUDACITY to even think they have the "Ability" to Choose Jesus or GOD n behave of their own salvation! And have the nerve to brag and claim what They have done to choose Jesus! And to belittle "The Almighty GOD" that He has to look somewhere to determine who would choose Him! And then that is the decision and criteria in His deciding Factor on choosing someone into Eternal Life!

And these are the same ones, who have declared that The day Adam and Eve did not die the day that they ate from the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil", when GOD had said: "For in the day that thou eatest therefore thou Shalt SURELY DIE.
But these people has Relentess throughout the years has done their best to expalin this Truth away!
Dead men cannot aid themselves unto Salvation for they are DEAD unto GOD!

And most to not understand this. why is that so? Because They are DEAD! And don't know it! And many don't know the language of Death pertaining to the language of GOD!

How about those "Tongues"

You sure used a lot of word to not really say anything. Who am I? Who are any of these guys? Why does it matter what seminary they went to? Go to one seminary and they teach you can't lose salvation, go to another and they teach that you can. So much for your seminaries. You know pretty much all that you've said here could be turned around and asked of you.

Oh, and by the way, I didn't attack anyone. I simply said he didn't understand.

 

[PloughBoy]

You sure used a lot of word to not really say anything. Who am I? Who are any of these guys? Why does it matter what seminary they went to? Go to one seminary and they teach you can't lose salvation, go to another and they teach that you can. So much for your seminaries. You know pretty much all that you've said here could be turned around and asked of you.

Oh, and by the way, I didn't attack anyone. I simply said he didn't understand.

Because it matters to GOD and if it matters to God it sure matters to me! Because I am one of "The sons of GOD" and my FATHER wants me to be concern and know what He is doing. For I am growing n "Christ" and asolutely not growing in the things pertaining to this World.
I am not in the business of pleasing any man! Neither am i after man! The things i do and speak about is mere foolishness to the mind of mankind.

 

[Butch5]

Because it matters to GOD and if it matters to God it sure matters to me! Because I am one of "The sons of GOD" and my FATHER wants me to be concern and know what He is doing. For I am growing n "Christ" and asolutely not growing in the things pertaining to this World.
I am not in the business of pleasing any man! Neither am i after man! The things i do and speak about is mere foolishness to the mind of mankind.

I've already pointed out that your authority issue is non existent. You can go to one seminary and they will teach that one can lose salvation. Go to another and they teach that you can't. Go to one seminary and they will teach that people choose to be saved. Go to another and they teach people don't. Seminaries teach opposing doctrines from the same book. They can't both be right. That means that one of them is teaching something wrong. So, since some seminaries teach stuff that's right and some teach stuff that's wrong. Unless one can distinguish between the two there isn't much point in giving authority to seminaries.

It would seem to me that if you seek the truth of the word you would compare what these guys say to the Bible and see if what they say is true. Sproul said that people were predestined to be saved. Please show me a single passage of Scripture that says any such thing.

 

[Sue D.]

Ephesians 1: 5 "having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will. vs 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

back track to vs 4 "just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,"

As we can see -- predestined / predestination Is in the Bible / it Is Biblical.

 

[Butch5]

Ephesians 1: 5 "having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will. vs 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

back track to vs 4 "just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,"

As we can see -- predestined / predestination Is in the Bible / it Is Biblical.

The word predestined is in the Bible, it simply means to predetermine something. The Reformed doctrine of Predestination, that God chose before the foundation of the world who would be saved, isn't.

 

[B-A-C]

He chose us all. He chose everyone, but everyone doesn't get saved.

 

[PloughBoy]

I've already pointed out that your authority issue is non existent. You can go to one seminary and they will teach that one can lose salvation. Go to another and they teach that you can't. Go to one seminary and they will teach that people choose to be saved. Go to another and they teach people don't. Seminaries teach opposing doctrines from the same book. They can't both be right. That means that one of them is teaching something wrong. So, since some seminaries teach stuff that's right and some teach stuff that's wrong. Unless one can distinguish between the two there isn't much point in giving authority to seminaries.

It would seem to me that if you seek the truth of the word you would compare what these guys say to the Bible and see if what they say is true. Sproul said that people were predestined to be saved. Please show me a single passage of Scripture that says any such thing.

1st how can a person read if that person do not know the Alphabets? 2ND How can a person read if that person do not understand words. 3rd. how can a person understand reading if that person know nothing about "sentences' and how they are Structured' and how they are place in paragraphic form and why they are structured in such a fashion. So how can one look and criticize a "teacher' if that person have not been schooled by another who, has been schooled into that field of Knowledge. How can one read a book, and know what a word means unless that book and those words were created by another and given a definition of what those words means, who has been schooled in the way of making and creating "words" and Books" by a educated person who have been schooled in making certain Books and certain words and how those words are structured and the meaning of those words in the order of how they are structure in that particular "Book" and believe me for the "bible" is a Particular "BOOK" for a "Particular People". And written for a "Strange Group of People" that is Heading into a "Strange Land".

Moses was schooled and Highly educated, Luke was SCHOOLED and highly educated, Paul was Highly schooled "highly educated" "Summa *** Laude" and we have "John Calvin" and "William Tyndale", "Magna *** Laude" And "Luther" and many others "*** Laude"!

Those who made it possible through the Grace of GOD was so Highly educated to make it possible that you have the Privilege as a common man to have a Copy of a "translation" of The Original Copied Manuscript of The WORD of GOD! For GOD had "Ordained" it to be, By The Educated hands and minds of such beings before The Foundations of The World. For HE willed it to be. Now are you Glad? For Seminaries of This World, So if GOD willed it to be, what say of you?

Unless you did not need them. For maybe you are like "JESUS" and you did not or do not need the "Educated Scholars" from the Universities and Seminaries of This World.

(John 7)BSB
"About halfway through the feast, Jesus went up to the temple courts and began to teach. The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man attain such learning without having studied?”
“My teaching is not My own,” Jesus replied. “It comes from Him who sent Me. If anyone desires to do His will, he will know whether My teaching is from God or whether I speak on My own. He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory, but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is a man of truth; in Him there is no falsehood. Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps it. Why are you trying to kill Me?”
“You have a demon,” the crowd replied. “Who is trying to kill You?”

 

[Butch5]

He chose us all. He chose everyone, but everyone doesn't get saved.

Chose us all for what?

 

[PloughBoy]

(1 Peter 2)BSB
"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. Beloved, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from the desires of the flesh, which war against your soul."…

 

[Butch5]

(1 Peter 2)BSB
"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. Beloved, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from the desires of the flesh, which war against your soul."…

Not sure what you're getting at here. 1 Peter was written to the Jews

 

[PloughBoy]

Not sure what you're getting at here. 1 Peter was written to the Jews

Well, why didn't God leave it in the 1st century instead of having it present in "The Canon Scripture"? if it was only for Natural Israel and Not for The Children of Promise a "Holy Nation" Chosen of GOD? Then you are claiming by your own words That GOD has made an Error! And his Word cannot be Trusted.

 

[Butch5]

Well, why didn't God leave it in the 1st century instead of having it present in "The Canon Scripture"? if it was only for Natural Israel and Not for The Children of Promise a "Holy Nation" Chosen of GOD? Then you are claiming by your own words That GOD has made an Error! And his Word cannot be Trusted.

I'm not sure where you see an error. Israel is God's chosen people. They are the holy nation spoken of in 1 Peter. In 1 Peter he writes who he is addressing.

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, (1 Pet. 1:1 NKJ)

The Dispersion or Diaspora was a reference to the Jews who had been scattered among the nations.

 

[PloughBoy]

I'm not sure where you see an error. Israel is God's chosen people. They are the holy nation spoken of in 1 Peter. In 1 Peter he writes who he is addressing.

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, (1 Pet. 1:1 NKJ)

The Dispersion or Diaspora was a reference to the Jews who had been scattered among the nations.

I do wonder why, my words, seems strange to you. Just maybe they are supposed to be for a reason.

 

[Sue D.]

He chose us all. He chose everyone, but everyone doesn't get saved.

Maybe what you're referring to is that with God's omniscience He knows who will and who won't accept His salvation.

He would that All would come to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ -- but knows that all Won't.

 

[Sue D.]

Salvation came to the Jews 1st and then to everyone.

They were God's chosen people -- as a people group they refused to accept Jesus as their Promised Messiah -- so salvation was extended to the Gentiles who gladly received it.

 

[Butch5]

I do wonder why, my words, seems strange to you. Just maybe they are supposed to be for a reason.

They're not strange. There was a time when I was a Calvinist. I'm familiar with your words. I'm also familiar with those of Calvin , Luther, Zwingli, and the others. I simply disagree with them. When I look at the Bible in its context from start to finish I see something else. The biggest problem I find is that people proof text. They don't study the Bible in context. People say they study the Bible, but, I think what they really mean is that they study some theological system which purportedly comes from the Bible.

 

[Sue D.]

@Butch5 -- well there Is system to Scripture. And passages Do have to be read in their intended context so as to Avoid some problems.

There Is Systematic Theology. I still have that book from my late husband's books. he went to both Bible college and seminary.