The Most Unpardonable Sins

[Bill]

I do not believe that is the designated escape when it is an escape from all those things that shall come to pass and to stand before the Son of Man as a result of that escape.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

We stand before God daily in our lives with everything that we do. It really doesn't matter whether we are here on Earth or in heaven God is always there

Have you never read that when we stand before God in heaven it is referred to as the last judgment. If it is the last judgment it stands to reason that there have been other judgments before that.

 

[GodB4Us]

We stand before God daily in our lives with everything that we do. It really doesn't matter whether we are here on Earth or in heaven God is always there

Have you never read that when we stand before God in heaven it is referred to as the last judgment. If it is the last judgment it stands to reason that there have been other judgments before that.

To stand before the Son of Man in that day as designated as having escaped all that is coming on the earth can refer to the Bema Judgment Seat from which God judges His House first at the rapture event for why many saints not ready as far as abiding in Him as His disciples as well as NOT being willing to go, gets left behind to face the fire coming on a third of the earth and the subsequent coming great tribulation as a result for the New World Order & the mark of the beast system to come about.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Remember what the scripture says in Revelations, the martyrs.

All those tribulation saints are Jews, the two witnesses will be end time Moses and Aaron, and the “earth”, today’s Jordan, will be the new Goshen. There’s a parallel with Ten Plagues in Egypt.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Well there is some truth to that statement, as the true church will almost become non existant.

Many who now call themselves Christians, will show where thier true allegiance lies. You will remember this scripture when the time comes. Those who choose to save thier lives will lose it, and those who lose thier lives, for My name sake, will be saved.

Remember what the scripture says in Revelations, the martyrs.

And by the way, there're many simple litmus tests that can tell you whether a church is a "true church" or not -

Where does it stand on marriage, abortion, transgender and homosexuality?

Are they following the trending topics of the day by throwing out a lot of political buzzword or following the word of God put by the Holy Spirit in thier mind?

Are they going kumbaya by tickling your ears with self-help TED talks or really cutting into your heart by convicting you of your sins?

Are they wisely discerning the signs of times and preparing the congregation for the hard time?

Do they support Israel or teach anti-semetic replacement theology - that the church is the new Israel?

And most importantly, do they teach pre-millennialism regardless of the timing of rapture - or the delusion of amillennialism, that we're already living in the millenial kingdom?

And the list goes on. You know, denominations, affiliations and labels don't mean a thing, all that matters is these contents and the stance. These are litmus tests for a church as well as for us, to show whether we stand by the word of God or bow down to the Beast system.

 

[GodB4Us]

And by the way, there're many simple litmus tests that can tell you whether a church is a "true church" or not -

Where does it stand on marriage, abortion, transgender and homosexuality?

Are they following the trending topics of the day by throwing out a lot of political buzzword or following the word of God put by the Holy Spirit in thier mind?

Are they going kumbaya by tickling your ears with self-help TED talks or really cutting into your heart by convicting you of your sins?

Are they wisely discerning the signs of times and preparing the congregation for the hard time?

Do they support Israel or teach anti-semetic replacement theology - that the church is the new Israel?

And most importantly, do they teach pre-millennialism regardless of the timing of rapture - or the delusion of amillennialism, that we're already living in the millenial kingdom?

And the list goes on. You know, denominations, affiliations and labels don't mean a thing, all that matters is these contents and the stance. These are litmus tests for a church as well as for us, to show whether we stand by the word of God or bow down to the Beast system.

@Bill

Can any one judge a church as a true church as well as judge a believer as a true believer?

Paul was addressing a prophetic falling away from the faith in the latter days that was even happening in his day...

2 Thessalonians 2:1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, ..........

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The above is happening now when seekers or saved believers seek to receive the Holy Spirit by a sign either at their salvation moment or to get that "other" baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues. And it doesn't stop there either. They continue to seek to receive the Holy Spirit by other signs too in losing self control and fall as they do in seeking tongues like in slain in the spirit, holy laughter movement, Pensacola Outpouring, Toronto's Blessings, Ernest Angeley's Healing Crusade and others. This is the lie that God will permit seekers and saved believers to suffer that grand delusion for believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit after a sign as the world does in seeking spirits.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

So regardless of the falling away from the faith that was happening in Paul's day, he reminded believers of the tradition taught of us to expose that lie because there is only one time a believer will receive the sancitification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth and that is at the calling of the gospel.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Paul goes on to address those that have fallen away from the faith and no longer walking after the traditions taught of us that we are commanded by the Lord to withdraw from them, but not to treat them as the enemy, but to admonish them as brothers because they are still brothers for why they are still saved but at risk of being left behind at the rapture event unless they repent before the Bridegroom comes.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.
5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.
6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

See that? Although fallen away from the faith and no longer walking after the traditions taught of us, he is still a brother, but just as we are commanded to withdraw from them, so will they be excommunicated by Him from attending the Marriage Supper above as disqualified unless they turn to Him for help to see the truth and to depart from that tongue for private use and from seeking to receive spirits after the fashion & rudiment of the world.

Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

So just because a brother has fallen away into sin and is a slave to sin again, it does not mean he was never saved nor does it mean God cannot recover him from the snare of the devil.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

So there is no litmus test in ascertaining a real or true believer or a real or true church, since we are called to correct one another in love, and if refusing to repent, excommunicate them or withdraw from them in the hopes that the Lord will lead them to repentance, recovering them out of the snare of the devil that they may be in.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

@Bill

Can any one judge a church as a true church as well as judge a believer as a true believer?

Paul was addressing a prophetic falling away from the faith in the latter days that was even happening in his day...

2 Thessalonians 2:1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, ..........

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The above is happening now when seekers or saved believers seek to receive the Holy Spirit by a sign either at their salvation moment or to get that "other" baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues. And it doesn't stop there either. They continue to seek to receive the Holy Spirit by other signs too in losing self control and fall as they do in seeking tongues like in slain in the spirit, holy laughter movement, Pensacola Outpouring, Toronto's Blessings, Ernest Angeley's Healing Crusade and others. This is the lie that God will permit seekers and saved believers to suffer that grand delusion for believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit after a sign as the world does in seeking spirits.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

So regardless of the falling away from the faith that was happening in Paul's day, he reminded believers of the tradition taught of us to expose that lie because there is only one time a believer will receive the sancitification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth and that is at the calling of the gospel.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Paul goes on to address those that have fallen away from the faith and no longer walking after the traditions taught of us that we are commanded by the Lord to withdraw from them, but not to treat them as the enemy, but to admonish them as brothers because they are still brothers for why they are still saved but at risk of being left behind at the rapture event unless they repent before the Bridegroom comes.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.
5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.
6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

See that? Although fallen away from the faith and no longer walking after the traditions taught of us, he is still a brother, but just as we are commanded to withdraw from them, so will they be excommunicated by Him from attending the Marriage Supper above as disqualified unless they turn to Him for help to see the truth and to depart from that tongue for private use and from seeking to receive spirits after the fashion & rudiment of the world.

Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

So just because a brother has fallen away into sin and is a slave to sin again, it does not mean he was never saved nor does it mean God cannot recover him from the snare of the devil.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

So there is no litmus test in ascertaining a real or true believer or a real or true church, since we are called to correct one another in love, and if refusing to repent, excommunicate them or withdraw from them in the hopes that the Lord will lead them to repentance, recovering them out of the snare of the devil that they may be in.

Yes there is, 'cause the majority doesn't read the bible at all, they just swallow up whatever is fed to them from the pulpit, we're called to follow the Bereans' example by examining if the teaching is lined up with the word of God, "for all Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

Burying your head in these fancy Christianese talking and turning a blind eye to all these issues ain't gonna help. That's not an option. Did God create male and female - and ONLY male and female - in His image? Or a whole spectrum of genders? Forget about the church, the pastor or any other brothers, where do you stand on this? I have my own struggles, I'm embattled with a lot of demons which I couldn't defeat without the Holy Spirit, but I absolutely know where I stand on this one. Of course Paul warned about this apostasy, the massive falling away from faith, I don't need you to throw the book at me, the question is how to respond to it when you and I are right in the thick of this apostasy. Lots of brothers and sisters are smart enough to see this, but nobody wants to rock the boat for the sake of “unity”, and that’s the problem.

 

[GodB4Us]

Yes there is, 'cause the majority doesn't read the bible at all, they just swallow up whatever is fed to them from the pulpit, we're called to follow the Bereans' example by examining if the teaching is lined up with the word of God, "for all Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

Burying your head in these fancy Christianese talking and turning a blind eye to all these issues ain't gonna help. That's not an option. Did God create male and female - and ONLY male and female - in His image? Or a whole spectrum of genders? Forget about the church, the pastor or any other brothers, where do you stand on this? I have my own struggles, I'm embattled with a lot of demons which I couldn't defeat without the Holy Spirit, but I absolutely know where I stand on this one. Of course Paul warned about this apostasy, the massive falling away from faith, I don't need you to throw the book at me, the question is how to respond to it when you and I are right in the thick of this apostasy. Lots of brothers and sisters are smart enough to see this, but nobody wants to rock the boat for the sake of “unity”, and that’s the problem.

The condemnation you are giving is towards saved believers not following Him as His disciples in being bearing fruit.

In the parable of the Sower, only the first one had the seed taken or gobbled up before the soil could receive the seed for the seed to take root, hence Christ, to be saved.

The next two had received the seed, but one due to persecution and the other due to the worries of life, the two did not bear fruit.

The last one was the good soil that had received the seed, and rooted itself in the word like a disciple would that it withstood persecution and the storms of life that it bore fruit.

You do not want to deny the seed that was received by the other two soil les you deny the Lord that bought them.

If you consider any professing believer that have gone astray, what do you do? Preach the gospel again when they already know it or do you disciple them into the word to correct or exhort them by scripture so they can bear fruit as you did?

So it is not fancy Christianese talking when we are not talking about salvation as to whether or not a professing believer is saved or a true believer, but whether or not the professing believer is abiding in Him & His words as His disciples.

 

[Bill]

And by the way, there're many simple litmus tests that can tell you whether a church is a "true church" or not -

Where does it stand on marriage, abortion, transgender and homosexuality?

Are they following the trending topics of the day by throwing out a lot of political buzzword or following the word of God put by the Holy Spirit in thier mind?

Are they going kumbaya by tickling your ears with self-help TED talks or really cutting into your heart by convicting you of your sins?

Are they wisely discerning the signs of times and preparing the congregation for the hard time?

Do they support Israel or teach anti-semetic replacement theology - that the church is the new Israel?

And most importantly, do they teach pre-millennialism regardless of the timing of rapture - or the delusion of amillennialism, that we're already living in the millenial kingdom?

And the list goes on. You know, denominations, affiliations and labels don't mean a thing, all that matters is these contents and the stance. These are litmus tests for a church as well as for us, to show whether we stand by the word of God or bow down to the Beast system.

God's peace to you.

I'm Catholic by trade so to speak, lol. And I follow all the Catholic teaching including receiving communion and honoring Mary the mother of Jesus.

I know it's a fatality here probably in this website to mention that your Catholic or not. Although I have said it a few times before and have survived.

No I can tell you quite plainly that not every Catholic Church is in my personal opinion even Catholic, not even Christian in my view. As they do teach it's okay to be gay it's okay to be transgender it's okay for this and that things that are absolutely against anything that God wants.

But I also know that's true with many other mainstream churches they all have the same problem of some pastors teaching things that are not biblical that are more modern thinking and getting away with it too it seems.

So I definitely say that we're all on the same page when it comes to what truth is versus the BS that is put out there by the devil.

Both Catholics and Protestants failed terribly on little details like the Reformation for instance. Martin Luther who was a priest as well ( I think many people overlooked that ). Was right on a number of levels with his argument to the church however he himself broke a few vows that he made to God when he left the church.

No it doesn't really matter one way or the other nowadays what Martin Luther did that's between him and God. But the sad effect of it has become that in the minds of many Catholics the Protestants are wrong, and in the minds of many Protestants the Catholics are wrong.

The truth of the matter is both parties have some blame in the same issues but it's not everyone and there are many many children of God in both the Catholics and the Protestants that love God and God loves all of them. We just have to learn to see God in each other

Going back to what you were saying I agree wholeheartedly that if your church is not teaching what is of the Lord then it's better if you don't go to it.

On a side note. When I think about the Jehovah Witnesses and other groups that are so sincere to a degree. At least the mainstream people are, and they really want to learn about God but have such a limited scripture I really feel sorry for them

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

The condemnation you are giving is towards saved believers not following Him as His disciples in being bearing fruit.

In the parable of the Sower, only the first one had the seed taken or gobbled up before the soil could receive the seed for the seed to take root, hence Christ, to be saved.

The next two had received the seed, but one due to persecution and the other due to the worries of life, the two did not bear fruit.

The last one was the good soil that had received the seed, and rooted itself in the word like a disciple would that it withstood persecution and the storms of life that it bore fruit.

You do not want to deny the seed that was received by the other two soil les you deny the Lord that bought them.

If you consider any professing believer that have gone astray, what do you do? Preach the gospel again when they already know it or do you disciple them into the word to correct or exhort them by scripture so they can bear fruit as you did?

So it is not fancy Christianese talking when we are not talking about salvation as to whether or not a professing believer is saved or a true believer, but whether or not the professing believer is abiding in Him & His words as His disciples.

There’s no way to know if someone’s saved with absolute certainty from a mortal perspective, aka blessed assurance, only God knows. Yes, there’re the two soils in between, but in the end, either the end of your world or the end of THE world, there’re only the saints and the ain’t, “he who’s filthy let him be filthy still, he who’s righteous let him be righteous still.” Throughout history, the dividing line is death, which means as long as one lives there’s always a window of opportunity to repent. A litmus test shows whether you deny the Holy Spirit or not, for “he who blasphemes against the Son of Man can be forgiven, he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not.” Case in point, Peter denied Jesus three times, and that experience made him the first church leader; Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit and got struck dead immediately.

 

[GodB4Us]

There’s no way to know if someone’s saved with absolute certainty from a mortal perspective, aka blessed assurance, only God knows. Yes, there’re the two soils in between, but in the end, either the end of your world or the end of THE world, there’re only the saints and the ain’t, “he who’s filthy let him be filthy still, he who’s righteous let him be righteous still.” Throughout history, the dividing line is death, which means as long as one lives there’s always a window of opportunity to repent. A litmus test shows whether you deny the Holy Spirit or not, for “he who blasphemes against the Son of Man can be forgiven, he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not.” Case in point, Peter denied Jesus three times, and that experience made him the first church leader; Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit and got struck dead immediately.

Did you know that although a former believer would verbally deny Him for why He would deny them at the rapture event, He still abides in them that gets left behind?

This is why we are to call even former believers to depart from iniquity because that foundation remains as that seal of adoption does too for why if they do not depart from iniquity, they will be denied by him and left behind but He still abides in them for why they will be resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor, vessels of wood and earth, but still in His House.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Did you know that although a former believer would verbally deny Him for why He would deny them at the rapture event, He still abides in them that gets left behind?

This is why we are to call even former believers to depart from iniquity because that foundation remains as that seal of adoption does too for why if they do not depart from iniquity, they will be denied by him and left behind but He still abides in them for why they will be resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor, vessels of wood and earth, but still in His House.

My salvation is the shed blood of Jesus by grace through faith, not this "rapture event". Rapture will happen when we're resurrected, therefore that's in the next life. I wanna live for the Lord in this life while I still have a chance instead of putting all my bets on the next.

 

[GodB4Us]

God's peace to you.

I'm Catholic by trade so to speak, lol. And I follow all the Catholic teaching including receiving communion and honoring Mary the mother of Jesus.

I know it's a fatality here probably in this website to mention that your Catholic or not. Although I have said it a few times before and have survived.

No I can tell you quite plainly that not every Catholic Church is in my personal opinion even Catholic, not even Christian in my view. As they do teach it's okay to be gay it's okay to be transgender it's okay for this and that things that are absolutely against anything that God wants.

But I also know that's true with many other mainstream churches they all have the same problem of some pastors teaching things that are not biblical that are more modern thinking and getting away with it too it seems.

So I definitely say that we're all on the same page when it comes to what truth is versus the BS that is put out there by the devil.

Both Catholics and Protestants failed terribly on little details like the Reformation for instance. Martin Luther who was a priest as well ( I think many people overlooked that ). Was right on a number of levels with his argument to the church however he himself broke a few vows that he made to God when he left the church.

No it doesn't really matter one way or the other nowadays what Martin Luther did that's between him and God. But the sad effect of it has become that in the minds of many Catholics the Protestants are wrong, and in the minds of many Protestants the Catholics are wrong.

The truth of the matter is both parties have some blame in the same issues but it's not everyone and there are many many children of God in both the Catholics and the Protestants that love God and God loves all of them. We just have to learn to see God in each other

Going back to what you were saying I agree wholeheartedly that if your church is not teaching what is of the Lord then it's better if you don't go to it.

On a side note. When I think about the Jehovah Witnesses and other groups that are so sincere to a degree. At least the mainstream people are, and they really want to learn about God but have such a limited scripture I really feel sorry for them

On communion, it should only be done in remembrance of Him in proclaiming the Lord's death till He comes. Turning it into holy communion with the bread and wine as sacraments containing the presence of Christ in the Mass as making that one time sacrifice for sins present for Him to be received again is an insult to God when there is no need for any more reception for sacrifice for sins after we have been saved by faith in Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

So to think we are receiving that same one time sacrifice for sins again is making the blood of the New Covenant like the blood of goats and bulls that bears repeating again is an insult to God thus sinning willfully by believing that there is necessity for receiving sacrifice for sins again.

AND there can be no receiving Jesus Christ again, especially at communion.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

As for honoring Mary, Jesus would say this to you to defer you from doing that.

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Honoring Mary is not honoring the Father. The only way to honor the Father is by only honoring the Son. We are not to even honor the Holy Spirit even though He is God, but the judgment is to honor only the Son if you want to honor the Father because the moment you stop honoring the Son, you ae no longer honoring the Father.

Will Mary be honored in Heaven above all other mothers? Jesus did not believe so.

Mark 3:31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

So any woman doing the will of God is also His mother and even His sister.

Since there was no report of such practice of honoring Mary when she was alive, and since she was a disciple of Jesus Christ, she would defer all attention & focus to Jesus in honoring Him as the Bridegroom in relating to God the Father by.

When the Catholic Church insists that salvation can only be obtained within her & by the sacraments, one should recognize the thief in coming in between the believer and Jesus as robbing them of their resting place in Jesus Christ. They provide so many ways to God that one wonders why the one way God the Father provided for us is not enough.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:1erily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber....

....7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

It is because of this below, I warn you brother to leave the Catholic Church because when you had believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God has raised Him from the dead, you are saved.

Proverbs 24:10 If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small.
11 If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain;
12 If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Only God can lead you to read His love letter to you & receive the truth in His words to lean on Him for help to repent.

 

[Bill]

There’s no way to know if someone’s saved with absolute certainty from a mortal perspective, aka blessed assurance, only God knows. Yes, there’re the two soils in between, but in the end, either the end of your world or the end of THE world, there’re only the saints and the ain’t, “he who’s filthy let him be filthy still, he who’s righteous let him be righteous still.” Throughout history, the dividing line is death, which means as long as one lives there’s always a window of opportunity to repent. A litmus test shows whether you deny the Holy Spirit or not, for “he who blasphemes against the Son of Man can be forgiven, he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not.” Case in point, Peter denied Jesus three times, and that experience made him the first church leader; Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit and got struck dead immediately.

There is something else. It has to do with God's Grace and Mercy, and a Christian who prays for others.

Souls can litterally be snatch out before going to hell. Because God knows us before we are born.

If you pray now for a wicked person who died before you were born, God will hear your prayers when that person dies.

This is because God is Eternal, God created time and space. They are for us. But for God, past and future are all present.

Your prayers, your fasting your selfless behavior, is what God seeks from all of us. And that perfect prayer will save souls.

 

[GodB4Us]

My salvation is the shed blood of Jesus by grace through faith, not this "rapture event". Rapture will happen when we're resurrected, therefore that's in the next life. I wanna live for the Lord in this life while I still have a chance instead of putting all my bets on the next.

The rapture is not about obtaining salvation then but obtaining the eternal glory that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus of being that vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven.

Those disqualified from the race by not abiding in Him as His disciples will be denied by Him by whatever iniquity they are in or even if it is just being unwilling to go, loving this life more than Him, they will be excommunicated from the Marriage Supper but He still abides in them for why they are still saved even though denied by Him and left behind to die, but their spirits will be with the Lord to await for their resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor but still in His House, to serve the king of kings as vessels of wood and earth for the millennium reign of Christ, the King of kings.

2 Corinthians 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

This is where the prodigal son comes form having spent his inheritance on wild living and although he can never get it back, he is still son even though as a vessel unto dishonor in His House for not departing from iniquity before the Bridegroom had come.

 

[Bill]

Did you know that although a former believer would verbally deny Him for why He would deny them at the rapture event, He still abides in them that gets left behind?

This is why we are to call even former believers to depart from iniquity because that foundation remains as that seal of adoption does too for why if they do not depart from iniquity, they will be denied by him and left behind but He still abides in them for why they will be resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor, vessels of wood and earth, but still in His House.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Lol there will be no pre tribulation rapture. No escape off planet.

You cant even see it, but the seals are already breaking.

It wont be until the 6th seal breaks, that everyone will know how God sees them, and you will know that it is the sixth seal

 

[Bill]

On communion, it should only be done in remembrance of Him in proclaiming the Lord's death till He comes. Turning it into holy communion with the bread and wine as sacraments containing the presence of Christ in the Mass as making that one time sacrifice for sins present for Him to be received again is an insult to God when there is no need for any more reception for sacrifice for sins after we have been saved by faith in Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

So to think we are receiving that same one time sacrifice for sins again is making the blood of the New Covenant like the blood of goats and bulls that bears repeating again is an insult to God thus sinning willfully by believing that there is necessity for receiving sacrifice for sins again.

AND there can be no receiving Jesus Christ again, especially at communion.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

As for honoring Mary, Jesus would say this to you to defer you from doing that.

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Honoring Mary is not honoring the Father. The only way to honor the Father is by only honoring the Son. We are not to even honor the Holy Spirit even though He is God, but the judgment is to honor only the Son if you want to honor the Father because the moment you stop honoring the Son, you ae no longer honoring the Father.

Will Mary be honored in Heaven above all other mothers? Jesus did not believe so.

Mark 3:31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

So any woman doing the will of God is also His mother and even His sister.

Since there was no report of such practice of honoring Mary when she was alive, and since she was a disciple of Jesus Christ, she would defer all attention & focus to Jesus in honoring Him as the Bridegroom in relating to God the Father by.

When the Catholic Church insists that salvation can only be obtained within her & by the sacraments, one should recognize the thief in coming in between the believer and Jesus as robbing them of their resting place in Jesus Christ. They provide so many ways to God that one wonders why the one way God the Father provided for us is not enough.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:1erily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber....

....7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

It is because of this below, I warn you brother to leave the Catholic Church because when you had believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God has raised Him from the dead, you are saved.

Proverbs 24:10 If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small.
11 If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain;
12 If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Only God can lead you to read His love letter to you & receive the truth in His words to lean on Him for help to repent.

I'm pretty sure that it was in this thread that I stated that " isn't it ironic, that the preachers who constantly tell everyone to confirm everything in the scripture. But yet when the examples in the scripture that show everyone the flight out of Egypt or removing Lot from Sodom. And all the other examples of God removing his people from one place or another. That they are not magically transported up to heaven they are only separated and still on planet. " how ridiculous is the whole thing with the rapture.

Don't you think it's a little bit crazy that the focus of the Christian churches has gone away from praying for others to dealing with just yourself. And seeking your own salvation.

The Christian churches used to be your brother's keeper. They used to preach about the blood of the Lamb. They used to talk about reaching out to everyone else. But not anymore.

All the Rapture preaching focus is solely on the individual and making it to heaven what about everybody else what about your spouse your neighbor your children do you only look at yourself and no one else.

Does anyone even dare to think Lord take these others I will stay behind. Lord take someone that may not deserve it I'll stay in his place. Does anyone even think selflessly anymore.

The Rapture is a false teaching it only teaches you to be selfish and only think of yourself.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

The rapture is not about obtaining salvation then but obtaining the eternal glory that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus of being that vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven.

Those disqualified from the race by not abiding in Him as His disciples will be denied by Him by whatever iniquity they are in or even if it is just being unwilling to go, loving this life more than Him, they will be excommunicated from the Marriage Supper but He still abides in them for why they are still saved even though denied by Him and left behind to die, but their spirits will be with the Lord to await for their resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor but still in His House, to serve the king of kings as vessels of wood and earth for the millennium reign of Christ, the King of kings.

Rapture is the aftermath of salvation. No, the rapture is not about obtaining salvation, it's obtained as the final REWARD of salvation. We all die one day, for the seed must die first to germinate, Jesus himself died and rose again on the third day, and no servant is greater than his master. Therefore all I'm saying is, don't be too obsessed with this rapture and and the fear of being "left behind", there's no such thing. Keep our eyes on Jesus and walk down the WAY first.

 

[GodB4Us]

Lol there will be no pre tribulation rapture. No escape off planet.

You cant even see it, but the seals are already breaking.

It wont be until the 6th seal breaks, that everyone will know how God sees them, and you will know that it is the sixth seal

You cannot see why Jesus is warning saved believers to be ready or else be cut off as in left behind for when He sends fire on the earth, Luke 12:40-49 the very fire that burns the third of the earth that will set up for the coming great tribulation and the mark of the beast system? Revelation 8:7 That is the whole point of warning the church at Thyatira to repent or else be cast into the bed of the great tribulation in Revelation 2:18-25

Ask Jesus about it. Why warn saved believers to repent to be ready or else the great tribulation if they were going to be in the great tribulation anyway? Kind of remove all motivation to repent in getting ready so why heed the warning that failure to run that race for the crown by His grace & by His help can result in a saved believer becoming a castaway as Paul warned that it could happen to himself in 1 Corinthians 9:24-27?

 

[GodB4Us]

I'm pretty sure that it was in this thread that I stated that " isn't it ironic, that the preachers who constantly tell everyone to confirm everything in the scripture. But yet when the examples in the scripture that show everyone the flight out of Egypt or removing Lot from Sodom. And all the other examples of God removing his people from one place or another. That they are not magically transported up to heaven they are only separated and still on planet. " how ridiculous is the whole thing with the rapture.

Don't you think it's a little bit crazy that the focus of the Christian churches has gone away from praying for others to dealing with just yourself. And seeking your own salvation.

The Christian churches used to be your brother's keeper. They used to preach about the blood of the Lamb. They used to talk about reaching out to everyone else. But not anymore.

All the Rapture preaching focus is solely on the individual and making it to heaven what about everybody else what about your spouse your neighbor your children do you only look at yourself and no one else.

Does anyone even dare to think Lord take these others I will stay behind. Lord take someone that may not deserve it I'll stay in his place. Does anyone even think selflessly anymore.

The Rapture is a false teaching it only teaches you to be selfish and only think of yourself.

The rapture is why Jesus is calling every believer to be ready or else for why He has led me to call those that have gone astray to repent of certain iniquities so those iniquities do not deny Him for why He would deny them at the rapture, even though He still abides in those unrepentant saints & former believers that get left behind because He is faithful to keep their souls while they suffer being left behind.

I had sent reproofs your way for doing the Catholic "holy" communion and for honoring Mary so that you may repent and leave the Catholic Church to be received by Him as that vessel unto honor rather than be left behind to incur His wrath for thinking willfully that there is more sacrifice for sins, thus becoming a vessel unto dishonor in His House for how God is still judging those left behind as His people as they become the prodigal son for still being astray when He comes.

 

[GodB4Us]

Rapture is the aftermath of salvation. No, the rapture is not about obtaining salvation, it's obtained as the final REWARD of salvation. We all die one day, for the seed must die first to germinate, Jesus himself died and rose again on the third day, and no servant is greater than his master. Therefore all I'm saying is, don't be too obsessed with this rapture and and the fear of being "left behind", there's no such thing. Keep our eyes on Jesus and walk down the WAY first.

To heed His warning by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily so as to walk in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son to be fruitful as His disciples to not only gain the crown by His grace & by His help, but to avoid being cut off in becoming a castaway is how one fears ( respect ) the Lord in living this reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

It will be grievous for those saved believers that get left behind as they will receive a scourging as in stripes for not being ready before He comes as the Bridegroom.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?