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Right, Jesus tells us how to be an heir, which is a disciple. You agree, right?
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The offer of Salvation is universal, but the application is only : "by Faith".
God's Truth
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I explained it to you with scriptures and all you do is deny it.Being Saved and going to heaven is Inheritance, not an offer, its only for heirs.
Jesus tells us how to be an heir.
We have a choice to be a child of God's and receive an inheritance, and even be cut off.
Jonathan_Gale
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Of course. Again, we're called to MULTIPLY, both the resources God so generously granted to us - and disciples by sharing those resources.Right, Jesus tells us how to be an heir, which is a disciple. You agree, right?
God's Truth
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You said good scripture about how the enemies can now be saved and heirs.Okay, Good scripture, but Eternal Life is a Gift of inheritance. Its only for a Seed.
God's Truth
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I guess when you just gave a scripture and didn't say you agreed I thought that you might think my beliefs are different.Of course. Again, we're called to MULTIPLY, both the resources God so generously granted to us - and disciples by sharing those resources.
Jonathan_Gale
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Wording, phrasing and preference of bible verses might be different, but we're on the same side.I guess when you just gave a scripture and didn't say you agreed I thought that you might think my beliefs are different.
God's Truth
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Sounds good.Wording, phrasing and preference of bible verses might be different, but we're on the same side.
Jonathan_Gale
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This slogan, "called to multiply", bears very different meanings to different people, depending on your context. People often read the exact same things and draw different conclusions. If it's "go forth and multiply", then it's limited to a very narrow definition of making babies; if it's the parable of the talents, then it's about maximizing your potential and increasing your resources; if it's the Great Commission, then the focus is on evangelizing, bringing new people into God's family. Or, you can simply ignore and deny this calling, like that gentleman over here.Sounds good.
God's Truth
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Well I do think the Great Commission was to the Apostles.This slogan, "called to multiply", bears very different meanings to different people, depending on your context. People often read the exact same things and draw different conclusions. If it's "go forth and multiply", then it's limited to a very narrow definition of making babies; if it's the parable of the talents, then it's about maximizing your potential and increasing your resources; if it's the Great Commission, then the focus is on evangelizing, bringing new people into God's family. Or, you can simply ignore and deny this calling, like that gentleman over here.
Jonathan_Gale
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"Apostle" comes with a negative connotation, since a lot of fake charismatic leaders are glorifying themselves with this title "apostle". I believe all Christians ought to care, share and spare.Well I do think the Great Commission was to the Apostles.
God's Truth
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Jesus did send the Apostles as he was sent. Not all were sent like the Apostles were. The Apostles with the Prophets and Jesus Christ laid the foundation."Apostle" comes with a negative connotation, since a lot of fake charismatic leaders are glorifying themselves with this title "apostle". I believe all Christians ought to care, share and spare.
The foundation has been laid and there are no more Apostles, except in heaven.
You are right though, there are false denominations that claim to have Apostles.
The Catholic's pope they believe is from apostolic succession from Peter, and they believe their pope has the keys to heaven as they believe Peter did.
The Mormons have in their denomination people they call apostles, and as you said, the Pentecostals believe they do too.
Brightfame52
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Yes Gods people are a fixed number, yet no man knows what it is. All of their names were written in the Lambs book of life before the foundation.You lack of a dynamic, progressive view. God's assembly of heirs is not fixed, it expands and multiplies. It does not stay the same.
Brightfame52
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God determined the Heirs before the foundation and has assigned them Angels Heb 1:14I explained it to you with scriptures and all you do is deny it.
Jesus tells us how to be an heir.
We have a choice to be a child of God's and receive an inheritance, and even be cut off.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? or them who shall inherit salvation.
Brightfame52
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Salvation is a promised inheritance to one particular seed Gal 3:16-18You said good scripture about how the enemies can now be saved and heirs.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Abraham and his seed are heirs of the world Rom 4:13
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Jonathan_Gale
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No, they're not. Yes we're sons and daughters co-heir with Christ, but NONE of the verses about heir you quoted indicates that it's a fixed a number.Yes Gods people are a fixed number, yet no man knows what it is. All of their names were written in the Lambs book of life before the foundation.
Brightfame52
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Yes they are.No, they're not. Yes we're sons and daughters co-heir with Christ, but NONE of the verses about heir you quoted indicates that it's a fixed a number.
God's Truth
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God determined the Heirs before the foundation and has assigned them Angels Heb 1:14
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? or them who shall inherit salvation.
All have to come to Jesus and be accepted by him.
No one is saved before they are saved.
Jesus tells us who he accepts and why and how to be one he accepts.
God's Truth
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Salvation is a promised inheritance to one particular seed Gal 3:16-18
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Abraham and his seed are heirs of the world Rom 4:13
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Abraham becomes our father by faith.
WE DO NOT GET FAITH SUPERNATURALLY, we get faith by believing the supernatural message and obeying Jesus.
NO ONE BECOMES AN HEIR UNTIL THEY BELIEVE AND OBEY JESUS.
Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Romans 4:16Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may rest on grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring--not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.
Galatians 3:9 So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Brightfame52
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Also Jesus indicates the number of heirs, are fixed and settledNo, they're not. Yes we're sons and daughters co-heir with Christ, but NONE of the verses about heir you quoted indicates that it's a fixed a number.
Again Eternal life/Salvation belongs to the Heirs of God. They are Heirs before they exist. Just like Isaac wasAll have to come to Jesus and be accepted by him.
No one is saved before they are saved.
Jesus tells us who he accepts and why and how to be one he accepts.
God's Truth
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No one is an heir before they are given the Holy SpiritAlso Jesus indicates the number of heirs, are fixed and settled
Again Eternal life/Salvation belongs to the Heirs of God. They are Heirs before they exist. Just like Isaac was
God knows who will choose Him.
You were taught wrong.
You are a Calvinist or Luther or from their ilk.