THE PARABLE OF HIDDEN TREASURE

[DougE]

The Bible says, “Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God” ~Mark 1:14. That is not a false gospel. That is not an inferior gospel. That is the gospel preached by the Lord Jesus Christ.

You are the one saying the gospel of the kingdom is a false gospel not me
Another gospel is not a false gospel
Paul said it was not the gospel he preached, but didnt say it was a false one. Another gospel was the gospel of the kingdom preached by Christ and Peter

 

[DougE]

And after His resurrection, Jesus did not send the apostles out with a disconnected message. He said, “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations” ~Luke 24:46-47.

Peter did not preach salvation apart from Christ’s death and resurrection. He preached, “Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken… and slain: Whom God hath raised up” ~Acts 2:23-24. Then he called them to repent.

You didnt carefully read Luke
Remission (forgiveness) of sins was in his NAME not his death and resurrection

In Acts 2 Peter wasnt preaching salvation by his death and resurrection he was convicting them of crucifying him and not repenting of their unbelief

 

[DougE]

If a system makes Jesus sound like He preached a gospel that is not “our gospel,” then the system needs to be corrected by Scripture.

Jesus said to have eternal life you had to believe on his name
Paul said it was by his death and resurrection
Tell me how are these the same?

 

[DougE]

Lord Jesus is revealing the truth of salvation and the kingdom

There is more than one salvation
There is being saved unto eternal life
There is being saved or delivered
To be saved unto eternal life Jews had to believe Jesus was Christ, the Son of God
They werent guaranteed entrance into the kingdom

 

[bdavidc]

[John 3:15 KJV] "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
[John 3:16 KJV] "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
[John 3:18 KJV] "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
[John 20:31 KJV] "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
[1 John 5:13 KJV] "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." ******** Israel for eternal life had to believe on his name, that he was Christ, the Son of God

[Matthew 19:17 KJV] "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." ******For believing Israel their life was by entering into the kingdom, but not to obtain it

You just proved the problem. You quoted the verses that say eternal life is received by believing on Christ, and I agree. “He that believeth on him is not condemned” ~John 3:18. “That believing ye might have life through his name” ~John 20:31. “Ye may know that ye have eternal life” ~1 John 5:13.

But then you turn around and say Matthew 19 is about Israel entering the kingdom, “but not to obtain” life. That is not what Jesus said.

The rich young ruler asked, “what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?” ~Matthew 19:16. Jesus answered, “if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments” ~Matthew 19:17. Then after exposing the man’s idol, Jesus said it is hard for a rich man to “enter into the kingdom of heaven” ~Matthew 19:23. The disciples then asked, “Who then can be saved?” ~Matthew 19:25.

The passage itself connects eternal life, entering life, entering the kingdom, and being saved. You are separating what the text joins together.

Jesus was not teaching that law-keeping obtains eternal life. He was exposing the man’s false confidence. That is why Jesus ends with, “With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible” ~Matthew 19:26.

That is the point. Salvation is not obtained by law, riches, sacrifice, or entrance qualifications. It is impossible with men. It is only possible with God.

 

[bdavidc]

To enter the kingdom and have authority in it they had to:
Believe Jesus was Christ, the Son of God
Be water baptized
Confess Christ openly among men
Keep the law and teach it
sell all and forsake all

You are not explaining the passage. You are rewriting it to protect your system. You listed belief, baptism, confession, law-keeping, selling all, and forsaking all as requirements to enter the kingdom and have authority in it. But Jesus did not frame Matthew 19 as a separate kingdom-administration issue. The man asked about “eternal life” ~Matthew 19:16. Jesus answered about “life” ~Matthew 19:17. Then He spoke of entering “the kingdom of heaven” ~Matthew 19:23. The disciples understood the issue and asked, “Who then can be saved?” ~Matthew 19:25.

That is the text. Eternal life. Entering life. Entering the kingdom. Being saved.

Your doctrine has to separate those because the passage will not. Jesus used the law and the command to sell all to expose the man’s self-righteousness and idolatry, not to give Israel a works-based entrance checklist.

And Jesus gave the conclusion plainly: “With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible” ~Matthew 19:26.

So no, this is not rightly dividing. This is cutting the text apart where it speaks plainly.

 

[bdavidc]

You are the one saying the gospel of the kingdom is a false gospel not me
Another gospel is not a false gospel
Paul said it was not the gospel he preached, but didnt say it was a false one. Another gospel was the gospel of the kingdom preached by Christ and Peter

Stop twisting what I said. I said the gospel of the kingdom preached by Jesus is not false, not inferior, and is the gospel preached by the Lord Jesus Christ. So your claim that I called it false is simply not true.

The real error is your statement that “another gospel is not a false gospel.” Paul says the opposite. He says they were being “removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel” ~Galatians 1:6. Then he says, “Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ” ~Galatians 1:7.

Paul does not call it a second valid gospel. He calls it a perversion.

Then Paul says, “though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” ~Galatians 1:8.

So no, “another gospel” in Galatians is not the gospel preached by Christ and Peter. If that were true, Paul would be placing Christ and Peter under the curse of Galatians 1. That is where your doctrine leads, and that should alarm you.

Jesus preached truth. Peter preached truth. Paul preached truth. Your system is the thing creating the contradiction.

 

[bdavidc]

You didnt carefully read Luke
Remission (forgiveness) of sins was in his NAME not his death and resurrection

In Acts 2 Peter wasnt preaching salvation by his death and resurrection he was convicting them of crucifying him and not repenting of their unbelief

This is not careful reading. This is carving the verse until it fits your doctrine.

Jesus did not say, “Preach remission in My name, but do not connect it to My suffering and resurrection.” He said, “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day” ~Luke 24:46, and then, “And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations” ~Luke 24:47.

That is one message. The cross, the resurrection, repentance, and remission of sins in His name are not separate compartments. They are joined together by the Lord Himself.

And Peter preached the same thing. He did not merely accuse Israel of unbelief in some abstract way. He said, “ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain” ~Acts 2:23. Then he preached, “Whom God hath raised up” ~Acts 2:24. Then he drove the nail home: “God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ” ~Acts 2:36.

That is not repentance floating loose from the cross. That is conviction over sin in the presence of the crucified and risen Christ.

When they were “pricked in their heart” and cried, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” ~Acts 2:37, Peter said, “Repent” ~Acts 2:38. Repent from what? From rejecting the very Christ they crucified, whom God raised, whom God declared Lord and Christ.

Your doctrine is making you separate Christ’s name from Christ’s work. But Scripture never does that. His name is not an empty label. His name is the name of the One who suffered, died, rose again, and now grants repentance and remission of sins.

So the question is not whether I read Luke carefully. The question is whether you are willing to let Luke 24 and Acts 2 say what they plainly say without slicing them into pieces.

 

[bdavidc]

Jesus said to have eternal life you had to believe on his name
Paul said it was by his death and resurrection
Tell me how are these the same?

The question exposes the flaw in your system. Believing on His name is not believing in a sound, a label, or a disconnected title. His name is who He is. He is the Christ, the Son of God, the Lamb of God, the Lord, the crucified and risen Savior. You are trying to separate the Person from the work, and Scripture will not let you do that.

John says, “These are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name” ~John 20:31. But the same Gospel of John says Christ would be “lifted up” so that “whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life” ~John 3:14-15. John also records John the Baptist saying, “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” ~John 1:29.

So John does not preach a Christ without the cross. He points to the Son, the Lamb, the One lifted up, the One in whose name there is life.

Paul preached the same Christ more fully revealed after the death and resurrection had happened: “Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures… he was buried… he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” ~1 Corinthians 15:3-4.

That is not a different gospel. That is the same Christ now preached in the fullness of what He accomplished.

Before the cross, men believed on the promised Christ. After the cross, men believe on the crucified and risen Christ. The object is not different. The Savior is not different. The salvation is not different.

Your doctrine has forced you to ask how believing on Christ and believing the message of His death and resurrection are the same. The answer is simple: because you cannot have the Christ of Scripture apart from the work He came to do. Jesus said, “The Son of man came… to give his life a ransom for many” ~Mark 10:45

 

[bdavidc]

There is more than one salvation
There is being saved unto eternal life
There is being saved or delivered
To be saved unto eternal life Jews had to believe Jesus was Christ, the Son of God
They werent guaranteed entrance into the kingdom

You are not rightly dividing here. You are building trapdoors under every passage that corrects your doctrine.

Yes, the word “saved” can speak of deliverance depending on the context. But that does not give you permission to walk into John 3 and Matthew 19 and split apart what Jesus put together.

Jesus said, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” ~John 3:3. He said again, “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” ~John 3:5. Then He explains the issue in terms of faith and eternal life: “That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life” ~John 3:15.

That is not a side road. That is the Lord Jesus tying the kingdom, the new birth, faith in Him, not perishing, and eternal life together.

So when you say a Jew could believe Jesus was the Christ, have eternal life, and still not be guaranteed entrance into the kingdom, you are saying something Jesus never said. You are creating a saved man outside the kingdom, a born-again man not guaranteed entrance, a believer with eternal life who may still miss what Jesus said the new birth brings him into.

That is not Bible. That is machinery.

Matthew 19 cuts the same way. The man asked, “what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?” ~Matthew 19:16. Jesus answered about entering life ~Matthew 19:17. Then He spoke of entering the kingdom ~Matthew 19:23. The disciples did not ask, “Who then can enter the earthly administration?” They asked, “Who then can be saved?” ~Matthew 19:25. And Jesus did not answer with your categories. He said, “With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible” ~Matthew 19:26.

That is the conscience issue here. Your system keeps needing Jesus to mean less than He said. It keeps needing the apostles to preach something disconnected from Christ’s own words. But Scripture does not bend that way.

A man does not get eternal life through Christ and then stand outside the kingdom as though God gave him life but withheld entrance. Jesus said the new birth is necessary to see and enter the kingdom, and He tied eternal life to believing in Him.

Let the text speak. Stop using “different kinds of salvation” as a smoke screen where the passage is plainly about eternal life, the kingdom, and being saved.

 

[DougE]

So when you say a Jew could believe Jesus was the Christ, have eternal life, and still not be guaranteed entrance into the kingdom, you are saying something Jesus never said. You are creating a saved man outside the kingdom, a born-again man not guaranteed entrance, a believer with eternal life who may still miss what Jesus said the new birth brings him into.

[Matthew 25:30 KJV] "And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
[Luke 13:28 KJV] "There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out."

 

[DougE]

The disciples did not ask, “Who then can enter the earthly administration?” They asked, “Who then can be saved?” ~

Saved to enter the kingdom

[Matthew 10:22 KJV] "And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." ******* the end is the end of the tribulation

 

[DougE]

The question exposes the flaw in your system. Believing on His name is not believing in a sound, a label, or a disconnected title. His name is who He is. He is the Christ, the Son of God, the Lamb of God, the Lord, the crucified and risen Savior. You are trying to separate the Person from the work, and Scripture will not let you do that.

John says, “These are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name” ~John 20:31. But the same Gospel of John says Christ would be “lifted up” so that “whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life” ~John 3:14-15. John also records John the Baptist saying, “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” ~John 1:29.

So John does not preach a Christ without the cross. He points to the Son, the Lamb, the One lifted up, the One in whose name there is life.

Paul preached the same Christ more fully revealed after the death and resurrection had happened: “Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures… he was buried… he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” ~1 Corinthians 15:3-4.

That is not a different gospel. That is the same Christ now preached in the fullness of what He accomplished.

Before the cross, men believed on the promised Christ. After the cross, men believe on the crucified and risen Christ. The object is not different. The Savior is not different. The salvation is not different.

Your doctrine has forced you to ask how believing on Christ and believing the message of His death and resurrection are the same. The answer is simple: because you cannot have the Christ of Scripture apart from the work He came to do. Jesus said, “The Son of man came… to give his life a ransom for many” ~Mark 10:45

During his earthly ministry Israel only had to believe he was Christ, the Son of God
The law and the prophets and psalms and Christ only spoke of his death and resurrection but not what it would accomplish

 

[DougE]

Jesus did not say, “Preach remission in My name, but do not connect it to My suffering and resurrection.” He said, “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day” ~Luke 24:46, and then, “And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations” ~Luke 24:47.

This verse doesnt say what the cross accomplished
You are reading what you know into what isnt said in the verse
Peter would go on in Acts 2 to preach what the resurrection accomplished *********** [Acts 2:30 KJV] "Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;" ********* Christ was raised to sit on David's throne in Jerusalem in the millennial kingdom

 

[Gerbolski]

Wake up Doug, wake up, do not be be prideful.

Gal 6:14
(14) But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

 

[DougE]

Stop twisting what I said. I said the gospel of the kingdom preached by Jesus is not false, not inferior, and is the gospel preached by the Lord Jesus Christ. So your claim that I called it false is simply not true.

Sorry I misunderstood
I thought you were saying I was saying it was a false gospel and you were correcting me

 

[DougE]

Wake up Doug, wake up, do not be be prideful.

Gal 6:14
(14) But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

Wake up from what

 

[DougE]

Stop twisting what I said. I said the gospel of the kingdom preached by Jesus is not false, not inferior, and is the gospel preached by the Lord Jesus Christ. So your claim that I called it false is simply not true.

The real error is your statement that “another gospel is not a false gospel.” Paul says the opposite. He says they were being “removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel” ~Galatians 1:6. Then he says, “Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ” ~Galatians 1:7.

Paul does not call it a second valid gospel. He calls it a perversion.

Then Paul says, “though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” ~Galatians 1:8.

So no, “another gospel” in Galatians is not the gospel preached by Christ and Peter. If that were true, Paul would be placing Christ and Peter under the curse of Galatians 1. That is where your doctrine leads, and that should alarm you.

Jesus preached truth. Peter preached truth. Paul preached truth. Your system is the thing creating the contradiction.

Paul wasnt accursing Peter. Peter wasnt preaching his gospel to Paul's church members.
Those who did were accursed by trying to bring Paul's members back under the law for salvation

 

[DougE]

You are not explaining the passage. You are rewriting it to protect your system. You listed belief, baptism, confession, law-keeping, selling all, and forsaking all as requirements to enter the kingdom and have authority in it. But Jesus did not frame Matthew 19 as a separate kingdom-administration issue. The man asked about “eternal life” ~Matthew 19:16. Jesus answered about “life” ~Matthew 19:17. Then He spoke of entering “the kingdom of heaven” ~Matthew 19:23. The disciples understood the issue and asked, “Who then can be saved?” ~Matthew 19:25.

That is the text. Eternal life. Entering life. Entering the kingdom. Being saved.

Your doctrine has to separate those because the passage will not. Jesus used the law and the command to sell all to expose the man’s self-righteousness and idolatry, not to give Israel a works-based entrance checklist.

And Jesus gave the conclusion plainly: “With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible” ~Matthew 19:26.

So no, this is not rightly dividing. This is cutting the text apart where it speaks plainly.

[Matthew 19:17 KJV] "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." ******** As I said to enter the kingdom on earth they had to keep the law. Jesus said the same thing here ********** [Matthew 5:19 KJV] "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
[Matthew 5:20 KJV] "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

[Matthew 19:21 KJV] "Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me." ******** As I said to enter the kingdom on earth they had to sell all

In the kingdom believing Israel will have life ********* [Mark 10:30 KJV] "But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life."

 

[Gerbolski]

Wake up from what

Wake up from seeing that the word of God does not contradict itself, it is a unifying message, it is sound, you are a hard person to reach.