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The Torah Has Not Been Abolished

Obedience to the commands of God does not nullify belief, it demonstrates it. You are in error.

Explain Acts 15:14-21 KJV rather than ignoring Acts 15:14 when it reproves how you are applying those verses to mean. The law of Moses is of the Torah and so... the Gentiles are not to do that. So pray about it, and ask Jesus to help you see the truth in His words what teaching you have had received from men is "may" be blinding you to. Don't think about anything else. Just read and ask Him for wisdom about what is going on here in references to the law of Moses.
 
Can you quote the scripture that the observance of the sabbath will be continued in the 1000 year reign of Christ? Are you sure you are not confusing the scripture for the time the Jews would be keeping the sabbath during the great tribulation period where the third Temple is built and they are continuing the sacrifices then?

I cannot recall the scripture now but I believer there is one describing the times during the millennium reign where the offering of the lamb was done in remembrance of what Christ has done whereas during the great tribulation, it will be for an offering for sins for why it is done on the sabbath. I do not recall the sabbath being the significant day for that offering of the lamb during the reign of Christ. It could very well be done on the Lord's day, the first day of the week.

As it was and still is, in 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 KJV, that was when the early churches in the N.T. gathered for church services because that was when collection was done whereby from the bounty collected, they were to set aside a portion for the support of the missionaries in the field so as to avoid any special collection when Paul or others come to avid the appearance of covetousness. That way faith is in God to provide what the church was to go on regardless of the portion from the bounty give that will be set aside for the missionaries in the field.

1 Corinthians 16:1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. KJV

2 Corinthians 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. KJV

The millennial Shabbath IS the Shabbath, it is a one thousand year Shabbath, which was foreshadowed by the 1 day weekly Shabbath. Those who enter and live in the one thousand year Shabbath, will fulfill the one day Shabbath.
 
Explain Acts 15:14-21 KJV rather than ignoring Acts 15:14 when it reproves how you are applying those verses to mean. The law of Moses is of the Torah and so... the Gentiles are not to do that. So pray about it, and ask Jesus to help you see the truth in His words what teaching you have had received from men is "may" be blinding you to. Don't think about anything else. Just read and ask Him for wisdom about what is going on here in references to the law of Moses.

Circumcision of the flesh was the sign of the old covenant, which is no longer incumbent on those under the new covenant, because the sign of the new covenant is different, circumcision of the heart. This, however, does not discard the Torah that came through the old covenant. Torah and covenant are two distinct things. While indeed the requirement to circumcision the flesh is not currently required, observing all commands of the Torah is.
 
"I believe nobody on earth lives on into the millennium", is false statement, because I just proved through scripture that there is indeed a remnant that survives the destruction of the second coming of the Messiah, can you not read? "Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left" and "I will gather the lame; I will assemble the exiles and those I have brought to grief. I will make the lame my remnant". I will also include these other scriptures, because it seems the previous scriptures were not sufficient enough to open your eyes to the truth, you stubborn person,

I will make people more rare than fine gold, and mankind than the gold of Ophir.
Isaiah 13:12

Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed.
Isaiah 65:20

Then everyone who survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, Yehovah of armies, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And if any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, Yehovah of armies, there will be no rain on them. And if the family of Egypt does not go up and present themselves, then on them there shall be no rain; which shall be the plague with which Yehovah afflicts the nations that do not go up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
Zechariah 14:16-18

For Yehovah will have compassion on Jacob and will again choose Israel, and will set them in their own land, and sojourners will join them and will attach themselves to the house of Jacob. And the peoples will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them in the land of Yehovah as male and female servants. They will take captive those who were their captors, and rule over those who oppressed them.
Isaiah 14:1-2

I pursued my enemies and overtook them, And I did not turn back until they were consumed.I shattered them, so that they were not able to rise; They fell under my feet. For You have girded me with strength for battle; You have subdued under me those who rose up against me. You have also made my enemies turn their backs to me, And I destroyed those who hated me. They cried for help, but there was none to save, Even to Yehovah, but He did not answer them. Then I beat them fine as the dust before the airflow; I emptied them out as the mire of the streets. You have delivered me from the contentions of the people; You have placed me as head of the nations; A people whom I have not known serve me. As soon as they hear, they obey me; Foreigners submit to me. Foreigners fade away, And come trembling out of their fortresses. Yehovah lives, and blessed be my rock; And exalted be the God of my salvation, The God who executes vengeance for me, And subdues peoples under me.
Psalm 18:37-47

For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Yehovah as the waters cover the sea.
Habakkuk 2:14

They will neither harm nor destroy on all my set-apart mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of Yehovah as the waters cover the sea.
Isaiah 11:9

To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’ –just as I have received authority from my Father.
Revelation 2:26-27

The airflow of the Master Yehovah is upon me, for Yehovah has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to comfort the brokenhearted and to proclaim that captives will be released and prisoners will be freed. He has sent me to tell those who mourn that the time of the Yehovah’s favor has come,and with it, the day of God’s anger against their enemies. 3To all who mourn in Israel,he will give a crown of beauty for ashes, a joyous blessing instead of mourning, festive praise instead of despair. In their righteousness, they will be like great oaks that Yehovah has planted for his own glory. They will rebuild the ancient ruins, repairing cities destroyed long ago. They will revive them, though they have been deserted for many generations. Foreigners will be your servants. They will feed your flocks and plow your fields and tend your vineyards. You will be called priests of Yehovah, ministers of our God. You will feed on the treasures of the nations and boast in their riches. Instead of shame and dishonor, you will enjoy a double share of honor. You will possess a double portion of prosperity in your land, and aeonial joy will be yours.
Isaiah 61:1-7

And it is that remnant the people of God and the Messiah will rule over. And those people will become mighty nations, and will multiply exceedingly, and then, at the end of the thousand year rulership of the Messiah, will be deceived, and come against the Messiah and the people of God,

and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth–Gog and Magog–and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
Revelation 20:8

You err in your understanding of prophecy. You are ignorant, dumb, stubborn, stiff necked, and devoid of truth. Stop being stubborn, and perhaps then you will begin to attain true wisdom, rather than the nonsense you keep regurgitating, which is not the truth. I am tired of arguing with you people, and I have been doing so for several years now on these internet forums, only to find believers who resist the truth all day. Whether one thing or the other. They only want to continue in their own ways, and not the ways defined by the word of God. They are despicable, and lawless. I only chose to remain in this specific forum because one of your moderators reached out to me with kind words, otherwise I would already be gone and not wasting my time with people such as yourself. I already removed myself from other forums because I am weary of you people. I am busy and have better things to do with my time than argue with people who refuse to be fed good food whether with my right hand or my left, you are like insolent children screaming and refusing to be fed food that will nourish you with truth and understanding.

And so do you claim the title of ACCUSER devoid of remedy of Christ in us, so are not a prophet, but an accuser of the side of Satan.
 
And so do you claim the title of ACCUSER devoid of remedy of Christ in us, so are not a prophet, but an accuser of the side of Satan.

The scriptures themselves accuse you. You people are devoid of all truth, refusing to obey the commands of God in his Torah and refusing to give to those in need, contrary to what the Messiah commanded. The only reason I have decided to stay in this forum is because one of your moderators reached out to me with kind words, otherwise I would be long gone leaving you people in your own ignorance and stubbornness to your own destruction.
 
"all truth"? So written of a false shepherd. No flock of sheep would survive on their own, needing a watch-eye, a leader who sees all around them, one, just one to take hold of the hair of the lion or bear, and slaying it to his own risk.
 
The millennial Shabbath IS the Shabbath, it is a one thousand year Shabbath, which was foreshadowed by the 1 day weekly Shabbath. Those who enter and live in the one thousand year Shabbath, will fulfill the one day Shabbath.

Until you tell me how you had obtained His righteousness for why you shall not hunger nor thirst any more afterwards per John 6:35 KJV, you are denying why Jesus is Lord of the sabbath so that the necessity to obtain the righteousness of the law in keeping the sabbath is no longer lord over you. The law was not abolished, but the requirement for keeping the sabbath is no longer held against you because you had obtained His righteousness apart from the law by the righteousness of faith.
 
All praises to FATHER AHAYAH YASHAYAH WA RAACH!

We Hebrew Israelites are still punished for breaking the Law today after CHRIST YASHAYAH is risen.
So why aren't gentiles punished as well?
Because Israelites are still
Under the covenant until it gets made NEW after the 2nd Exodus!

Ezekiel 20:35-37 [35]And I wil bring you into the wildernes of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. [36]Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wildernes of the land of Egypt, so wil I plead with you, saith the Lord God. [37]And I will cause you to passe vnder the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the Couenant.

Hebrews 8:9-10 [9]Not according to the Couenant that I made with their fathers, in the day when I tooke them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, because they continued not in my Couenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10]For this is the Couenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those dayes, saith the Lord: I wil put my Lawes into their minde, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shalbe to me a people.

Blessings
 
We Hebrew Israelites are still punished for breaking the Law today after CHRIST YASHAYAH is risen.
So why aren't gentiles punished as well?
Because Israelites are still
Under the covenant until it gets made NEW after the 2nd Exodus!

No one is under the old law today. No one!
 
Soon you will see I was right, because the second coming of the Messiah is approaching in a few years. And then, you will regret not believing my words.

Brother thanks for sharing your well researched article, it seems like you spent a lot of time gathering those scriptures. May your
love of the WORD always point you to the one that the WORD testify of, our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ.

Now, here is my question, hopefully you don't receive it in defensive manner, just an honest question to have you reflect on your position.

So my question is what is the difference between someone who holds your position and someone who holds the opposing view that you are arguing
against. It is a , so what(?), question. What is the lifestyle that your position leads you to live and what is your fear or concern related to the lifestyle
that someone who holds the other position is likely to live?

For example, if one were to answer that question concerning whether Jesus is the Son of God, one might say, those who believe Jesus is the Son of
God and confess and repent, are drawn to a lifestyle of submission to Jesus and Lord and Savior, whereas those with the position that Jesus was just a great teacher are more likely
to live a life where "self" rules.

So back again to my question, I know I'm repeating myself. What is the difference in lifestyle that you see with someone who holds your position that the Torah has not
been abolished, with someone who states that they are now under Grace and not under the Law? How do you see the difference my brother in how does people will live
because of those positions that they have adopted?
 
Soon you will see I was right, because the second coming of the Messiah is approaching in a few years. And then, you will regret not believing my words.

Uh nope - No one knows when the Lord Jesus will come back. You sound like a Messianic Jew. The Torah is good for types and shadows of the much better NT. The New Covenant has replaced it completely. The Jews rejected Christ. And what makes you think Christ died in vain for the Torah to still have any relevance? All were nailed to the cross and carried by Jesus. All the requirements of the Law and God etc. NAILED TO THE CROSS. Gone, gone, gone. Repeat after me. Jesus did not die in vain!
 
All praises to FATHER AHAYAH YASHAYAH WA RAACH!

Wired4fishin, you speak as you speak because keeping those Laws doesn't apply to you but to the Children of Israel.

Then why did YASHAYAH CHRIST say:
Matthew 5:17-19 [17]¶ Thinke not that I am come to destroy the lawe or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
[18]For verily I say vnto you, Till heauen and earth passe, one iote or one title, shall in no wise passe from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19]Whosoeuer therfore shall breake one of these least commaundements, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdome of heauen: but whosoeuer shall doe, and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdome of heauen.

Do you keep the commandments?
So let's take a commandement of the 10:
The Sabbath, is that a commandement or not?
Yes it is the 4th in case you didn't know.
Exodus 20:8-10 [8]Remember the Sabbath day, to keepe it holy. [9]Sixe dayes shalt thou labour, and doe all thy worke: [10]But the seuenth day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not doe any worke, thou, nor thy sonne, nor thy daughter, thy man seruant, nor thy mayd seruant, nor thy cattell, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

2nd Did YASHAYAH CHRIST keep the Sabbath? Every single one of them!
Did the Apostles keep the commandment of the sabbath after YASHAYAH CHRIST rose, Yes they did!

The Sabbath is a Sign between US Israelites and AHAYAH GOD that HE gave to us to keep Not other nations. But if other nations keep it then they too will be Blessed.

Exodus 31:13 [13]Speake thou also vnto the children of Israel, saying, Uerely my Sabbaths ye shall keepe: for it is a signe betweene me and you, throughout your generations, that ye may know that I am the Lord, that doth sanctifie you.

Throughout your generations means forever does it not?

So yes We Israelites are still Under the law.

Research and rightly dividing the WORD will Bless you!

Blessings
 
All praises to FATHER AHAYAH YASHAYAH WA RAACH!

Understanding is what we all need.

Israelites were CHRISTIANS 1st!

Acts 11:26 [26]And when he had found him, he brought him vnto Antioch. And it came to passe, that a whole yeere they assembled themselues with the Church, and taught much people, and the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
No man on this earth will be saved without CHRIST but understand that We are YASHAYAH CHRIST'S people!
CHRIST YASHAYAH is a Israelite.

Blessings
 
All praises to FATHER AHAYAH YASHAYAH WA RAACH!

You don't understand Scripture or who we are and the Laws we MUST keep because it is a Covenant we MUST uphold and are held accountable!
Therefore if you are not under the Law you wouldn't understand and I understand that.

Blessings
 
All praises to FATHER AHAYAH YASHAYAH WA RAACH!

You don't understand Scripture or who we are and the Laws we MUST keep because it is a Covenant we MUST uphold and are held accountable!
Therefore if you are not under the Law you wouldn't understand and I understand that.

Blessings
No offense here but you just absolutely said nothing here.
 
Greetings dear brothers posting on this thread

Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
Colossians 4:6

Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in Thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
Psalm 19:14


Some of you are coming across cocky and snappy.
Season your words with salt not pepper
 
The lawless still deserve to die, which is why Paul said, "knowing the righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die", but because we are in a time of mercy and repentance, we do not execute the condemnation of the Torah, but when the Messiah returns, he will execute the condemnation of the Torah the lawless deserve, which is death. The Torah was given through Israel to be presented unto the world, which is why it is written, "whatever the Torah says, it says to those who are under the Torah, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God". As such, you can only be released from the Torah if you are freed from sin, but even then, you still obey Torah, which is why it is written, "do we then nullify the Torah by our belief? Not so, we uphold Torah".
Is the"lawlessness" by your standards or God's. I tell you that there are people who may currently be"lawless" but by God's standards they will live.
 
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