The Trinity...Biblical or NOT ???

[Donnie Ducati]

IS THE TRINITY BIBLICAL?- One God/Three Persons
The doctrine of the Trinity says that there is one God who exists eternally as three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I can assure you that the elements of this doctrine are all taken directly from the Bible.
IS THE TRINITY BIBLICAL?- One God
The first plank of the Trinitarian platform is that there is only one God. The Bible could not be more explicit on this point, which it states explicitly about two dozen times. In Isaiah 44:8 God says that even He does not know of any other gods!
IS THE TRINITY BIBLICAL?- Jesus is God
Jesus often spoke of God as His Father, and the apostles frequently spoke of "God the Father." But the New Testament also insists that Jesus is God. For example, Thomas acknowledged Jesus as, "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28), and both Peter and Paul spoke of Jesus as "our God and Savior" (2 Pet.1:1; Tit.2:13). Yet the New Testament also makes the distinction between the Father and the Son as two very different persons. In fact they tell us that they love one another, speak to each other, and seek to glorify each other (e.g., John 17 1-26).
IS THE TRINITY BIBLICAL?- The Holy Spirit is God
The Old Testament refers often to the Holy Spirit as God at work in the world, without distinction from the Father. But Jesus in John 14 to 16 explained that this Holy Spirit would be sent by the Father at Christ's request. The Holy Spirit would teach and guide the disciples, not speaking on His own initiative, but speaking on Christ's behalf and glorifying Christ. Thus, the Holy Spirit is revealed by Christ to be a third person distinct from the Father and distinct from the Son.
IS THE TRINITY BIBLICAL?- Conclusion
In short, the doctrine of the Trinity is completely and totally biblical, and it is essential that all Christians give assent to this doctrine.

 

[spirit1st]

We are three parts like our creator!
spirit soul and body!
God is
1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
All one being but three parts
We are Just one being with three parts!

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


He changes our spirit and in New Jerusalem get new bodies like His !

 

[Eccl12v13]

There is only ONE explanation is the entire bible that states just how The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are one. And it comes from the mouth of Jesus Christ.

The only problem is that it does NOT line up with what man has given the world. Though it has been in the bible for a very long time, most dismiss it, glance over it, or simply ignore it because, like i said, it does not line up with what man has given the world; the holy trinity!

I would post it, but why? It's in all of your bibles for you to read.

Will you believe the ONLY explanation in the entire bible of how Jesus tells us He, The Father and The Holy Spirit are one?

Or will you continue to believe what man has given the world?

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[RJ]

There is only ONE explanation is the entire bible that states just how The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are one. And it comes from the mouth of Jesus Christ.

The only problem is that it does NOT line up with what man has given the world. Though it has been in the bible for a very long time, most dismiss it, glance over it, or simply ignore it because, like i said, it does not line up with what man has given the world; the holy trinity!

I would post it, but why? It's in all of your bibles for you to read.

Will you believe the ONLY explanation in the entire bible of how Jesus tells us He, The Father and The Holy Spirit are one?

Or will you continue to believe what man has given the world?

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Please answer one simple question for all to read:

Do you believe in the Holy Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit?

 

[Eccl12v13]

Please answer one simple question for all to read:

Do you believe in the Holy Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit?

I believe in the ONLY explanation that Jesus gives telling us just how He, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one!

This is my ONLY answer to your question!

Now the question is, "Do you believe the words of Jesus Christ and the explanation that He gives, telling us how He, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one?"

I believe His explanation! I have answered your question!

Do YOU believe and accept His explanation of how He tells us He, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one?


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[spirit1st]

Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

If You reject the Trinity , then you reject we are a Trinity !

Then you reject what Salvation is ! And most of the bible!
1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I accept GODS living Words as written! I believe the spirit of truth has taught me well , By using this bible! Not done learning, but have lived lots of it!
The way i see it ? It fits perfectly!

I see the bible as a great puzzle and it all fits together only one way and perfectly!

Of course GODS made us who are born -again, ministers of the New Testament!

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Not that WE will not have a good understanding of the old testament!

1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


It takes time to grow in truth with the correct understanding! No one can accept it all perfectly at our beginning in our LORD JESUS!

1Pe_2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

 

[Eccl12v13]

Readers.....Have you really searched and asked for wisdom and understanding for how it is Jesus tells us that He, the Father and the Holy spirit are all one? Or have you just accepted, without question, this 'mystery' that was presented to you?

Lots of people claim to believe in and trust the bible. They even claim to believe in the doctrine that it teaches. But when some are presented the truth, they reject it.


There is only ONE explanation in ALL of God's word, Gen. to Rev., that clearly explains how Jesus is one with the Father, how the Father is one with the Holy Spirit and how the Holy Spirit is one with the Son.


If this clear explanation was presented...would it be accepted?


We....like I said, it's been in God's word the whole time, yet man has decided NOT to accept the clear teaching of the bible, but instead go with the teaching of man.

Readers of the bible....have you noticed, from Gen. to Rev. God is VERY precise in ALL that He does. He left us a book to know how to get through this life and ultimately receive salvation. He let us know what is right and what is wrong. He let us know what is Holy and what is not. He shows us His nature, which is what we were patterned after. Now do you think He would just leave us with this great 'mystery' about how He and the Son and the Holy Spirit are all one? Let's read what God has to say.....

"And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:"

"Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,"

"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:....Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."

"Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:"

"How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)"

"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"

"And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,"

"That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;"

"Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:"

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

God did not leave us any 'mysteries' concerning Himself for us to debate over.

There was no need for a counsul to come together to figure out how the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit are one.

The answer was given to us all a long time ago, and can yet be found in this great book we have called the bible!

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[RJ]

I believe in the ONLY explanation that Jesus gives telling us just how He, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one!

This is my ONLY answer to your question!

Now the question is, "Do you believe the words of Jesus Christ and the explanation that He gives, telling us how He, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one?"

I believe His explanation! I have answered your question!

Do YOU believe and accept His explanation of how He tells us He, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one?


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I always have believed in the Holy Trinity, never have had any doubts!

All I wanted from you was a simple yes or no.

There are many verses that talk about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one.

Verses saying Jesus is God:
<TABLE border=2 cellPadding=10 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=content width="23%">Heb. 1:8

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">God the Father called the Son "God."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="23%" align=left>Isa. 9:6

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">The "child" is called the "Mighty God."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="23%" align=left>Mt. 1:23,
Is. 7:14

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">Jesus is called Immanuel, which means "God with us."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="23%" align=left>John. 1:1

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">Jesus (the "Word") is called "God."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="23%" align=left>1 Tim. 3:16

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">Paul said Jesus was God "manifested in the flesh."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="23%" align=left>Col. 2:8.9

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">Paul said Jesus was the "fullness of the Godhead bodily.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="23%" align=left>John. 20:28

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">Thomas said to Jesus, "…my God."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="23%" align=left>Titus 2:13

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">Paul called Jesus "the great God."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="23%" align=left>Phil. 2:5,6

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">Paul said Jesus didn’t feel it was wrong to be considered "equal with God."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="23%" align=left>John 5:18

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">The Jews wanted to kill Jesus because He was "making Himself equal with God."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="23%" align=left>John 10:30

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">Jesus said, "I and the Father are one."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="23%" align=left>Gen. 1:1;
Col. 1:16

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">The Bible said God created all things and that Jesus created all things.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="23%" align=left>Mic. 5:2

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">The messiah (Jesus) had always been in existence.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="23%" align=left>Isa. 44:6; Rev. 1:2,8, 11,13

</TD><TD class=content width="77%">God claimed to be the "First and the Last." So did Jesus. God clearly states that He is the only savior. The Bible also says Jesus is our savior.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Verses saying the Father is God:
<TABLE border=2 cellPadding=10 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=content width="24%">John. 8:41 </TD><TD class=content width="76%">"The only Father we have is God Himself."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content width="24%">Eph. 4:6 </TD><TD class=content width="76%">" … one God and Father of all …"</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


Verses saying the Holy Spirit is God:
<TABLE border=2 cellPadding=10 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="25%" align=center>Acts 5:3,4 </TD><TD class=content width="75%">"… you have lied to the Holy Spirit … you have not lied to men, but to God."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="25%" align=center>Acts 28:25,26</TD><TD class=content width="75%">Referring to Isaiah 6:9,10, Peter said the "Holy Spirit" spoke to the prophet Isaiah. In the book of Isaiah, it says the "Lord" spoke to the prophet Isaiah.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=content vAlign=top width="25%" align=center>1 Cor. 3:16 </TD><TD class=content width="75%">"Don’t you know you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you?"</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[Eccl12v13]

I always have believed in the Holy Trinity, never have had any doubts!

All I wanted from you was a simple yes or no.

If you know God's word and the sayings of Jesus then there is no need for me to tell you my answer. I believe what Jesus tells us and ONLY what Jesus tells us concerning the relationship between Him, the Father and the Holy Spirit. Why would there be a need to look for another explantion after Jesus explains it?

And who gave you this doctrine? Who gave man this doctrine? Have you ever searched God's word to find how JESUS, not man, says that He, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one?

Jesus tells us exactly how He the Father and the Holy Spirit are one. And it is NOT a 'mystery'. Nor was it formed 300 years after His death.

To those reading this I challenge you to search God's word to find this truth.

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[Eccl12v13]

Readers.....here is something to consider. Here are just a few questions that should come to mind;


Think about this, if the holy Spirit is God the Father AND God the Son all at the same time, then please explain the following;


Luke.12
[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.


If they are ONE, how can you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not the Father or Son?


Mark.13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


If they are ONE, how can the Father know the time and the hour, but NOT the Holy Spirit or the Son?


John.5
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


If they are ONE, how can the Son judge man WITHOUT the Father and the Holy Ghost.

If they are one the way man says they are one how can these things be?

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[RJ]

If you know God's word and the sayings of Jesus then there is no need for me to tell you my answer. I believe what Jesus tells us and ONLY what Jesus tells us concerning the relationship between Him, the Father and the Holy Spirit. Why would there be a need to look for another explantion after Jesus explains it?

And who gave you this doctrine? Who gave man this doctrine? Have you ever searched God's word to find how JESUS, not man, says that He, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one?

Jesus tells us exactly how He the Father and the Holy Spirit are one. And it is NOT a 'mystery'. Nor was it formed 300 years after His death.

To those reading this I challenge you to search God's word to find this truth.

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The forum rules requires you to use sceripture to support your view.

Please provide scripture for your above thread.

 

[RJ]

Readers.....here is something to consider. Here are just a few questions that should come to mind;


Think about this, if the holy Spirit is God the Father AND God the Son all at the same time, then please explain the following;


Luke.12
[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.


If they are ONE, how can you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not the Father or Son?


Mark.13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


If they are ONE, how can the Father know the time and the hour, but NOT the Holy Spirit or the Son?


John.5
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


If they are ONE, how can the Son judge man WITHOUT the Father and the Holy Ghost.

If they are one the way man says they are one how can these things be?

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Why don't you give us your expjanation first?

 

[Eccl12v13]

Why don't you give us your expjanation first?

It's not MY explanation! Jesus tells us how He, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one.

I have done my homework. I have done as God's word tells us to do. I know how the (3) are one, based upon the words of Jesus Christ!

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

"But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry."

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

Is this not important enough to you, that you will not search God's word to find just how Jesus tells us He, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one?


Can you not answer the following with your doctrine?

Readers.....here is something to consider. Here are just a few questions that should come to mind;


Think about this, if the holy Spirit is God the Father AND God the Son all at the same time, then please explain the following;


Luke.12
[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.


If they are ONE, how can you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not the Father or Son?


Mark.13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


If they are ONE, how can the Father know the time and the hour, but NOT the Holy Spirit or the Son?


John.5
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


If they are ONE, how can the Son judge man WITHOUT the Father and the Holy Ghost.

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[spirit1st]

Can you not answer the following with your doctrine?

Readers.....here is something to consider. Here are just a few questions that should come to mind


Think about this, if the holy Spirit is God the Father AND God the Son all at the same time, then please explain the followin
Luke.12
Listen just as All three of our parts are doing different things !So is all three of Gods parts doing different things!





[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
We must be in the world to come!To not be forgiven in the world to come. Meaning , I think? We lose rewards?


If they are ONE, how can you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not the Father or Son?
The Holy Ghost is GODS POWER!

Mark.13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father

.It was not for the Son to know! Because we can know all that the Son knew! He being our Example ! God does not want us to know the date!
Sure MY LORD KNOWS NOW!


If they are ONE, how can the Father know the time and the hour, but NOT the Holy Spirit or the Son?The Holy ghost knows everything.HE is GODS POWER

The Son was Jesus in the flesh! He came without knowledge or understanding!He had to grow in truth ,like we do!Taught by the Spirit of truth as we should be!
In HIS flesh He was the SON .He spoke from His flesh mind! Which was not given that while on the earth1 God did not want us to know the day !


John.5
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Col_1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


If they are ONE, how can the Son judge man WITHOUT the Father and the Holy Ghost.
We also Judge mankind and the fallen angels with OUR LORD JESUS!

1Co_6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?


Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


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[Donnie Ducati]

<SUP>6.</SUP>Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

<SUP id=en-KJV-26676 class=versenum>7.</SUP>If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
<SUP id=en-KJV-26677 class=versenum>8.</SUP>Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
<SUP id=en-KJV-26678 class=versenum>9.</SUP>Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
<SUP id=en-KJV-26679 class=versenum>10.</SUP>Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. <SUP id=en-KJV-26680 class=versenum>11.</SUP>Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

John 14 6:11

 

[RJ]

It's not MY explanation! Jesus tells us how He, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one.

I have done my homework. I have done as God's word tells us to do. I know how the (3) are one, based upon the words of Jesus Christ!

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

"But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry."

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

Is this not important enough to you, that you will not search God's word to find just how Jesus tells us He, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one?


Can you not answer the following with your doctrine?

Readers.....here is something to consider. Here are just a few questions that should come to mind;


Think about this, if the holy Spirit is God the Father AND God the Son all at the same time, then please explain the following;


Luke.12
[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.


If they are ONE, how can you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not the Father or Son?


Mark.13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


If they are ONE, how can the Father know the time and the hour, but NOT the Holy Spirit or the Son?


John.5
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


If they are ONE, how can the Son judge man WITHOUT the Father and the Holy Ghost.


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O.K., then please show us where Jesus says this and how do you explain what he says?

 

[Donnie Ducati]

The Trinity is something we can apprehend based upon Scripture , but as mere humans we will never be able to fully comprehend.

Why must God make everything in his Word "understandable" to us ? We are undeserving of his Grace and Mercy which isn't fully understood either but we accept it gladly with open arms.

I was saved at the young age of 9 (47 now). There were a million things I didn't understand then, and through the years, but I trusted and believed by FAITH and in due time the Holy Spirit confirmed his Word. I think we need to remember the Hymns of old...."trust and obey, for theres no other way, to be happy in Jesus then to trust and obey".

 

[Eccl12v13]

Let’s search, study and read what the word of God has to say about spirits and angels.

Heb.1
[7] And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

So we know for a fact that angels are SPIRITS! And there are only TWO types of spirits; 'holy spirits' and 'evil spirits' Again it states;

[14] Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

And which angels are ministering spirits doing the work of the Lord? ALL of them, whether they are called ‘Holy‘ or ‘Evil‘, ALL spirits do the will of the Lord! Now that we know that ALL angels are spirits let's read when an angel was called a "Holy Spirit"

Exod.13
[18] But God led the people about, through the way of the wilderness of the Red sea: and the children of Israel went up harnessed out of the land of Egypt.

Even though the verse said it was God that led the people, we will now find out that God gives His 'holy spirits' all authority as Himself in certain situations. Now let's read this same event told later in the book of Isa.

Isa.63
[9] In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

So we find it was 'the angel of his presence' at work. Now let's read what the angel was called;

[10] But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

WHO did the nation of Israel vex? God's 'holy Spirit'! And what was it called? An 'Angel'.

Let's read what else the angle/holy spirit did while working with the authority of God;

[11] Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
[12] That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name?
[13] That led them through the deep, as an horse in the wilderness, that they should not stumble?

So the period of time being spoken of here is when the Angel of the Lord, a HOLY SPIRIT, looked over and protected the nation of Israel while they were in the wilderness.

Now let's go back to Exod. to confirm this same event that was told in Isa.

Exod.23
[20] Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

So who was it really that protected Israel? God's "Holy Spirit", an Holy Angel! Let's continue;

[21] Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

So this "Holy Angel" had the authority of God to punish as he saw fit. Why? Because he was working under the name of God. He was working with the authority given to him by God. Now was this holy spirit only allowed to punish?

[22] But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
[23] For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.

No! God’s holy spirit also had the authority to reward as he saw fit.

So now we see that the Holy Spirit spoken of in Isa. was actually one of God's Holy Angels.

Let's look at two more places where an Angel, also known as a 'holy spirit' was either called God, or acted or spoke with the authority of God;

Num.22
[35] And the angel of the LORD said unto Balaam, Go with the men: but only the word that I shall speak unto thee, that thou shalt speak. So Balaam went with the princes of Balak.

Now let’s read who Balaam said gave him the words to speak;

[38] And Balaam said unto Balak, Lo, I am come unto thee: have I now any power at all to say any thing? the word that God putteth in my mouth, that shall I speak.

Even though it was the angel of the Lord gave Balaam the words to say, Balaam said it was God that put the words in his mouth. Let’s read another;

Judg.2
[1] And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

Again, the angel, a 'Holy Spirit' is talking as though he was the one that made the covenant, though we know it was really the Lord, the angel still spoke as if it were he that made the agreement with the nation of Israel.

When reading God's word you will find many places where the angel of the Lord, God’s ’holy spirit’, speaks and works as though he is the Lord. You will find throughout the scriptures many times when the Lord gives His "Holy Spirits" the same power and authority as Himself.

Now that we have done some research and studied God’s word and have learned how angels (God’s holy spirits) are sometimes called God and even act with all of the authority and power of God, let’s go to the ONLY place in the whole bible where it may appear the Holy Spirit is called God.

Acts 5
[3] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land?
[4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Based upon researching and studying God's word, it is clear that the Holy Spirit spoken of above was just that; a Holy Angel speaking, rewarding AND punishing with all of the authority of God. Peter said they lied to the Holy Ghost, then said they lied to God. How can this be?

Just as God gave His "Holy Spirit" authority in the past, even to say, "my name is in him", and to be called God, He did the same thing here with Peter.
God has an order in which He gives His word; God the Father gives His message to God the Son. God the Son gives that SAME message to the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost/Spirit of Truth/Comforter. And the Holy Spirit gives that SAME message to man. Just as God's word says here...

Rev.1
[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
[2] Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

God gave His message to the Son. The Son gave the same message to the Holy Angel. The Holy Angel gave that same message to the men of God.

God's holy angel/spirit/ghost at times acts with all of the authority God gives him, sometimes to the point that in times past he was actually called God.

There is no mystery here; the is God the Father, there is God the Son and there is God's Holy Angel/Spirit/Ghost.

Not ONCE will you EVER find God the Holy Ghost!

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[Eccl12v13]

O.K., then please show us where Jesus says this and how do you explain what he says?

What do you mean, "Show us."? I have done my homework. You find it for yourself. It tends to mean more when the work is actually done by the person, than when it is just given away!

I've narrowed it down to the NT and the sayings of Jesus. That leaves you with 4 books to read and a few verses in the book of Acts. You do not even have to read the book of Rev..

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

"But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry."

These are the words of God, should you not do them for yourself?

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[RJ]

What do you mean, "Show us."? I have done my homework. You find it for yourself. It tends to mean more when the work is actually done by the person, than when it is just given away!

I've narrowed it down to the NT and the sayings of Jesus. That leaves you with 4 books to read and a few verses in the book of Acts. You do not even have to read the book of Rev..

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

"But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry."

These are the words of God, should you not do them for yourself?


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This is what you said:
I have done my homework. You find it for yourself.

This is what you call walking in the Christian Spirit? This is what you call having the Spirit of God living in you? I suppose this is how you obey the Lord?