The trinity

[Ronda]

Ok first, triune means three in one. Three separate personas of God.
Now for John 1:1, John used the term 'Word' as it was used in the OT. In Gen !:3, where God's word brought the world into being. His Word is powerful self-expression in creation, wisdom and salvation which makes it refer to a person, i.e. Jesus Christ. This is a term he used not only to reach the Jews but the unsaved Greeks. Because both were familiar with it.
When he says the Word was with God, the Word is the Second Person of the trinity and was in intimate fellowship with God the father. He willingly gave up the splendors of heaven, taking the form of a man and was subject to death on the cross.
It also says the Word was God. Now taking from MacArthur's commentary it says the Greek construction here emphasizes that the Word had all the essence or attributes of diety (God). Jesus the Messiah was fully God, even in the form of a man when he gave himself up to death on the cross. He did not stop being God but took on the real human body and nature and of his own volition did not exercise the powers and attributes of His diety.
When you hear them spoken of it is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All part of the Godhead diety or Triune God!
Hope this helps. Thank you for challenging me to dig deeper.

 

[Spreadhisword]

The Godhead

I believe you might be a bit confused here. GOD, known as the "GODHEAD" is the God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit in ONE aka "Godhead". The body of Christ is the Church (us believers)>

hey Chad I just read this quote you posted on this subject the Trinity. And I wanted add a comment to what you posted.

What you posted about the Godhead is a common trinitarian response to "What is the Godhead?". I say this because every Trinitarian I have asked this question that had an answer to the question, answered in the same words you did. Actually the true definenition of the Godhead is best described this way : The Godhead is the quality of being God. The some total of God’s character, quality, attributes, personality. It is everything that makes Him who he is. There is no one in the Godhead it is not a substance. According to scripture the Godhead is in a person.

Colosians2:8-10
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Hope this helps
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
And please don't take this as an attack on you personally because it is not. I just wanted to help you understand the true meaning of the word.

 

[Spreadhisword]

Maybe this will help

jjkirk...If you are asking about Gen 1:26 when God says "let us" It is the three persons communicating with each other as far as I know.

"LET US MAKE MAN..."
J. R. Davis
Gen 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
To Whom was God speaking? Was the Father speaking to the Son? Or was the Son speaking to the Father? Was it the Holy Ghost speaking to the "other two"? Is there a proper interpretation of this verse which does not divide God into separate persons?
The scripture plainly states in Deut. 6:4, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" And in Eph. 4:5, "One Lord, one faith, one baptism,".
"God," in Genesis chapter one, comes from the Hebrew, "Elohim."
Note the comment from the Ryrie Study Bible, "Elohim, a generic term for deity as well as a proper name for the true God. It is used of pagan gods (Gen. 31:30; Ex. 12:12), angels (Ps. 8:5), men (Ps. 82:6), and Judges (Ex. 21:6), though most frequently of the true God. Its basic meaning is "strong one, mighty leader, supreme Deity." The form of the word is plural, indicating plentitude of power and majesty and allowing for the NT revelation of the triunity of the Godhead."

It should be noted, the more knowledgeable advocates of the triune doctrine do not often use Genesis 1:26 to further the Trinitarian suggestion, but merely indicate an allowance for the doctrine in a "New Testament revelation." Perhaps it is difficult for them to reconcile who is speaking to whom in Genesis 1:26, since a purely Trinitarian defense of this scripture may indicate tritheism rather than co-subsistance.
H. C. Leupold, a staunch Trinitarian, somewhat angrily declares in his commentary ‘Exposition of Genesis’, "The hortative ‘Let us make,’ is particularly striking because it is plural. Though almost all commentators of our day reject the view that this is to be explained in connection with the truth of the Holy Trinity and treat this so-called Trinitarian view as a very negligible quantity, yet, rightly considered, this is the only view that can satisfy."

Leupold continues, "K. C. Koenig (another commentator who is Trinitarian), may brush it aside with the very briefest remark to the effect that ’the number three cannot be expressed by the plural,’ yet he like many others labors under a misunderstanding of the Trinitarian view.’"
Watch out when Trinitarians disagree on their own doctrine. The fur may fly! Perhaps the "misunderstanding" is not of the Trinity itself, but of the very nature of God.
Leupold then continues, "Those that hold that a reference to the Trinity is involved do not mean to say that the truth of the of the Holy Trinity is here fully and plainly revealed." Then Leupold confesses, "But they do hold that God speaks out of the fulness of His powers and His attributes in a fashion which man could never employ."
So, we see that Elohim refers not to the Trinity in three persons, but to the fulness of the Godhead as one God, manifested in the fulness of His powers and attributes, both moral and natural.
Ryrie in his Study Bible points out, "Vs. 1:26, us . . . our are plurals of majesty. Image . . . likeness are interchangeable terms (Gen. 5:3) indicating that man was created in a natural and moral likeness to God. When he sinned, he lost the moral likeness, which was his sinlessness, but the natural likeness of intellect, emotions, and will he still retains (cf. Gen. 9:6; James 3:9)."
Matthew Henry Commentary says, "Man was to be a creature different from all that had been hitherto made. Flesh and spirit, heaven and earth, must be put together in him. God said, ‘Let us make man.’ Man, when he was made, was to glorify the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Into that great name we are baptized, for to that great name we owe our being. It is the soul of man that especially bears God’s image."
It is amazing how close some Trinitarians come to Oneness doctrine and baptismal formula.
From the above comments we should understand that God, in Genesis chapter one, was a Spirit. "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24). Also understand that God, as a Spirit, had no flesh and bones. Note the words of Jesus, "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." Luke 24:39.

The question arises, how could God come to earth and redeem mankind on the cross of Calvary when He had no body to be crucified? The answer was to beget a body of flesh on earth. How? Through the virgin birth by Mary of the One named Jesus...Emmanuel...God with us. Matt. 1:23, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." This body born in Bethlehem was a male child, a son, the Son or Body of God.
Where was the Father? He was in Heaven, but was also in Christ.
Note II Cor 5:19, "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself..."
Jesus was God manifest in the flesh.
Also 1 Tim 3:16, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..."
Where was the Holy Ghost? He also was in Christ. Why and how? Because God is One.
One God and One Person. The One and the Same. Inseparable. Not co-equal with other persons but One and only One. One Person. Jesus is the Father. Jesus is the Son. Jesus is the Holy Ghost. Elohim - all that God is. The fulness of the Godhead is in Jesus Christ. Colossians 2:9 declares plainly, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Ryrie comments on this verse, "In Jesus Christ, deity (the divine attributes and nature) dwelt in His earthly body—a strong statement of the deity and humanity of the God-man."
So why say "us" and not "me"? (Gen.1:26).

God needed an image after which to mold the first man, Adam. That image was Jesus Christ. Romans 5:14, "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." God looked into the future and saw Jesus (the one that was to come) and formed Adam after that image. Therefore God said, "let us make man in our image:" so that man would possess the spiritual or moral attributes of God, as well as the physical or natural attributes of God in flesh, Jesus Christ. Thusly man is not a spirit being only, but a physical being as well. Body, soul, and spirit. (1 Thes. 5:23). If God had made man in his image (spirit) only, then man would be spirit only.
Note Gen 1:27, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." It is interesting to see verse 27 saying that God created man in his own image, not their own image. The clarification has already been made and understood in verse 26.
Consider Hebrews 1:2-3, "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,..."
God looked into the future by His foreknowledge and saw His Son, the body that would redeem the world. That body was the flesh of God. God fashioned Adam after that body so that man would not just be a spirit as God is a spirit, but would possess physical attributes as well.
Therefore God said, "Let us...". Spirit and flesh. Created in God’s own image.

Man will now possess the moral (spiritual) and natural attributes of His Father the Creator, God.
Note Col. 1:15 as it refers to Jesus, "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"
So, Who created man? He? Them? They? Ease the confusion. Believe in only One Creator. The "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." (Eph. 4:6).
Col. 1:16 refers to Jesus, saying "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"
Also note Isaiah 44:24, "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
Are there "three persons" in the Godhead or "three titles" for one person? A man can be a husband to his wife, a son to his father, and a father to his son. Is he three persons? Or is he is one person with three titles? He will relate to his wife in one manner. He will treat his son in a different manner. He will behave to his father in yet another manner. Yet he is still only one person. One person with an identifying name.
God is also one. One with three different manners or modes of operation.

One with three different titles or offices. One person with an identifying name, the name Jesus. However, He is the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost. Three offices and manners of manifestations. Yet, the one and only God.
God manifest Himself as Father in creation, Son in redemption, and Holy Spirit in regeneration.
Jesus told his disciples he would be leaving them in the physical manifestation they see Him in, but He would not leave them comfortless. He said He would send another comforter to them, the Holy Spirit. This comforter would abide with them forever. Jesus then said, "I will come to you." (John 14:16-18). God now would benefit mankind by His indwelling Spirit.
He does not vacate one office to fill another, but is always completely and fully God.
. The same Person, but different modes of operation.
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[stephen]

There are many passages in the Bible that show that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are persons distinct from one another. So also are there many passages which show that each is God.

In Scripture they all share the same attributes, are involved in the same works, take council together, share the same Divine Names, and are worshiped. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are Bible names given to each of the persons as distinct from one and other.

A father has a distinct meaning as opposed to a son, and because "holy" means separated and "spirit" means breath, a separated breath has a distinct meaning from breathers (father and son). The idea of progenitor is unique to father. The idea of begotten (generated) is unique to son. The idea separation by breathing is unique to the separated spirit.

Separation and begotten are terms that not only show a distinct state, but also point to a manor of origin for that state. To the Father belong the notions or ideas of generator begetter, generator breather, and as distinct from the others un-begotten and un-breathed.

To the Son belong the notions of separation from the father by generation, breather of the separated breath, and as distinct from the others begotten yet un-breathed.
To the Holy Spirit belong the ideas of separation by aspiration from the Father through the Son and as distinct from the others breathed yet un-begotten.

God, as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, has no beginning in time which is a created property of the physical universe. Rather these triune relationships are eternal and simply are what God, the one and only God, is eternally as I am that I am without beginning or end.

Father has no distinct meaning without progeny; thus Son, though begotten of the father, is never-the-less, as equally eternal as father. A breath, furthermore, implies a breather, thus making separated breath as essential for the breathers as father is to son and son is to father.

There is no time or situation when father, son, or separated breath could not all simultaneously exist and still the terms have meaning. All these terms presuppose the others in order to have their unique meanings. This is why God gives them to us in the Bible in revelation of his Tri-personal being.

The Bible is also abundantly clear that there is only one God, not three gods and that each person is the one God. Each person is not a fraction of God, but all God.

The Father is all God; the only things he is not are the Son and Holy Spirit. The Son is all God; the only things he is not are the Father and Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is all God; the only things he is not are the Father and the Son.

This is no contradiction, for the Bible does not say one person existing in three persons or one god existing in three gods, but three Persons in one God and one God in three Persons. Logically, triune-persons are thus distinguished from essential substance.

Mankind understands persons because we are one. Made in His image we are persons. Our ego or self is an indivisible whole, it is our essential substance. We have, however a physical body, a rational moral soul, and a spirit.

Our one person is not divided up into these properties; it exists wholly simultaneously in these properties. The Holy Spirit bears witness with my spirit, and I know God. I say something dumb, and I know embarrassment. I hit my thumbnail with a hammer, and I know bodily pain.

I exist simultaneously without division in each property; it is the one self, person, knowing each time. This is not a contradiction, for man is not one in the same way he is three nor three in the same way he is one. There is a distinction between essential self and triune-substances.

To conclude, the Bible uses terms for three persons who are each the one God. The terms are descriptive of personal relationships that define the uniqueness of each person in such a way that they must simultaneously exist in personal relation to each of the others in order to be what they are.

God is one essential substance existing without division in three distinct persons, showing us there is a distinction between person and substance. We see this again in man. But man is one essential person existing without division in three distinct substances.

If we can distinguish between person and substance, and count to three, then there ought to be no problem with the notion of Trinity, accept unbelief to begin with. View this as a simple meditation upon the three words used in the Bible to name the three persons that God is.

The simpler it is thought through the more obvious trinity becomes.

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[ServantOfYHWH]

The trinity

These are my findings can some one please explain to me ifand were i have gone wrong in my findings on the trinity.
Thankyou
God Bless

WHY DON’T I BELIEVE THE TRINITY

John 1v1 – 3 says
In the begging was the WORD
The WORD was with God
And the WORD was God
V 14 tells us that the word is Jesus Christ

The new testaments was written in the Greek, the original Greek word for the word “WORD” is logos which means mind or purpose, wisdom of thought an idea.
So if you read that section of scripture how it was written it would be
In the begging was the “thought or idea”
And the “thought or idea was with God
And the “thought or idea was God
So you can see that in the begging god had a thought or idea and that thought or idea was Christ, it was God because it was in his mind he thought about it constantly.

If you then look at verse 18 of that exact came chapter it says No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
No one had seen God except Christ which means, that Christ couldn’t have been God because If he was then that verse would be a lie, because everyone who had seen Christ would have seen God.
Even the believers of the time of Christ believed he was the Son of God he wasn’t actually God v 49 Nathaniel answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

John 10v30 says I and my father are one
This verse would seem to prove the trinity in saying that Christ was God
BUT….Psalms 82 v 6 says that all who hears the word of God is a God, does this mean that if the trinity is correct then all of us who have heard the word of Gods are all God, so there would not be any need for salvation because we would all be God and seems as 1 Tim 1 v 17 says that God is immortals that means we would all be immortal.
No it doesn’t the Hebrew word there for god is God Elohim- which means mighty ones, or the might or power of God has filled them.
So God and his son are one because Christ is full of Gods might or power.

A couple of questions
Can God die?
Answer no he cant God is immortal (1 Tim 1v17, and 1 Tim 6v16)
So how can God be Christ if Christ died, but God cannot die?
Can God be tempted?
No he is immortal can so cannot sin, and cannot be tempted
But Luke 4v2 says that Christ was tempted if Christ was tempted how can be God because God cannot be tempted.
More questions
If God and Christ is the same person who ran the World while Christ was one the earth In a MORTAL body, he didn’t have the power to rule the world, because he was mortal.
Who ran the world while Christ was in Mary’s stomach, Christ couldn’t have done it.

Quotes that show the trinity doesn’t quite add up
God
Christ

John 3v16 - For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
1 Tim 2v5 – One God One Mediator (mediator Christ) 2 people.
John 13v1 - Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
John 17 – Christ is praying to God…If God and Christ are the same person then Christ is talking to himself.
John 17v6- I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
John 20v17 –Christ not yet ascended to his father
Matt 19v16-17 – A man kept calling Christ good and “Good Master”, Christ replies with there is none Good but one that is GOD
Mark 14v36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
John 5v30 – I seek not mine own will, but the will of the father which hath sent me.
John5v19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Romans 3 v 24 – Gods grace is in Christ

Mark 13v32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
The day that Christ returns to set of his kingdom is known only to God even his son doesn’t no, so how can they be the same person.

I see what your saying but there's so much evidence of the Trinity in the Bible, and it's easy to miss if your not paying attention. [:

"The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other." Genesis 11 6-7

'Let us'? Why would the LORD say that? Who is He talking to? ;]

"Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." Genesis 1:2

Right from the beginning the Bible talks about the Holy Spirit, and there's many Scripture verses where God says 'we' or 'us'. What your saying is contradicting what is in God's Word, as the apostles believed it, and Jesus Himself (obviously) believed, so we too should believe it. God bless

 

[wendy28davis]

Trinity

Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father,and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. So, that's where they get the Trinity. If Jesus speaks of the Holy Ghost Than He is an important Being. Jesus also tells us not to blaspheme the Holy Ghost because it will not be forgiven. Jesus said all manner of blasphemy would be forgiven even against The Father and The Son , but not the Holy Ghost. So, that shows there are three individual Beings. That's where the Trinity comes in at, though it does not say Trinity. Please read Matthew 10:25-32 it speaks on the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. May God Bless You All!

 

[Enow]

The Witness of the Three

Yes chadi I agree with you that there are such quotes in the bible for example.

John 10v30 says I and my father are one
This verse would seem to prove the trinity in saying that Christ was God
BUT….Psalms 82 v 6 says that all who hears the word of God is a God, does this mean that if the trinity is correct then all of us who have heard the word of Gods are all God, so there would not be any need for salvation because we would all be God and seems as 1 Tim 1 v 17 says that God is immortals that means we would all be immortal.
No it doesn’t the Hebrew word there for god is God Elohim- which means mighty ones, or the might or power of God has filled them.
So God and his son are one because Christ is full of Gods might or power.

But as you can see this quote dosent really proove the trinity. There are simle explanations to many quotes like this one.

Behold the witness of the Three

Matthew 3:15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Mark 1:9And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

John 1:31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Okay. We have three witnesses that sees God in three Persons. Each of the Person of God, the Father and the Spirit, gave witness of the Son as the Son has given witness of the Father and the Spirit afterwards.

Now trinity conspiratists will attest that these verses were added on below.

Matthew 28:18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

1 John 5:7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

But, as they would make a case for it, we can still put it aside and say that Jesus spoke of the Father and even the Spirit as in reference to the "he" in being seperate from "I" as when he speaks of His future role as a promise from God the Father.

Now as complex and confusing that may be, we must all remember that the Jews crucified Jesus for answering the question put to Him that He is the Son of God.

Now when we ask the question, can God die? Jesus was also called the Son of Man, and thus the Son of Man must suffer these things to fulfill the purposes of God the Father in His Son as God raised Him from the dead, and so being a seperate event as opposed to Lazarus being raised from the dead because by Jesus being risen from the dead can there be life in God.

If you consider that in the Old Testament, God prefers nothing between us and Him as in idols or other false gods. If there are no gods beside Him, and yet Jesus is, then He must be God. If the only way to approach God is by coming to God, then we can see why God the Father has sent forth His Son. All those that come to Jesus shall receive the promise of the Spirit, our seal of adoption, as in we shall inherit the Kingdom of God where we shall live with God through the righteousness of His Son imputed on us by faith through grace. God provided the way back to Himself, and Jesus is that Way: the Son of God. He made His Son the Bridegroom so the Bride relates to the Son, thereby the Father, and that is Whom the indwelling Holy Spirit is pointing us to the Good Shepherd so we are not led astray when other spirits try to steal the spotlight off of Jesus and thus confusing the believers into thinking something is amiss and that they have not entered into that rest in Jesus yet and so chase after other "gods". That is why to even avoid false prophets and the spirit of the anti-christ, all eyes are on the Son in approaching God the Father:

John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There is a reason why Jesus is considered our first love.

1 Peter 2:24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Only God can be the Saviour as well as the Mediator as well as the Good Shepherd in leading us and taking care of us and doing God's work in us.

John 6:28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Philippians 1: 6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: ....11Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

God the Father used God the Son in bringing us back to Himself. Due to the acsension of His Son, God the Spirit comforts us that we are His and sealed as His to be gathered in its own time as we are led by the Spirit of God in us to follow the Good Shepherd as we are testifying and glorifying the Son for that is the only way to honour God the Father.

John 5:22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Although the Holy Spirit is God, His role is to testify and glorify the Son and thus He will not speak of Himself, but whatever He hears , that He speaks. He receives from the Son so no prayers are to be given to the Spirit since all things must come from the Son and thus all must go to the Son to avoid other spirits in the world that would steal the spotlight and share in the relationship with the Son, causing those that err to commit a work of iniquity by climbing up another way or relating to the "spirits" instead of to the living and risen God the Saviour. We have access to the Father through the Son, as we can pray to Him as well, but only through the Son as He has provided the only Way to approach Him.

Since God can only judge and yet the Son is doing the job, Jesus is the Son of God as God. So when we take a step back and see all that has been said, with His help and His wisdom, we can see that there are Three Persons of the Godhead as They are the One God for we are being brought back to live with the One God via the Son.

 

[Brother Mike]

wow.

I guess we all find out soon enough, huh???

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[gotime]

trinity

Ok people its not hard the concept of the trinity is there in the Bible some have mentioned old testament prophecies calling Jesus GOd so I wont go over them again.

Jesus is the word and the word is GOd John its there read it.

thomas said when he saw Jesus alive "MY LOrd and my GOd" and Jesus affirmed this in his answer.

Jesus recieved worship that is due to GOd only.

Jesus forgives sins which is due to God only.

It says that Jesus created all things yet els where we are told that OGd created all things.

Jesus said to the Jews that before abraham was I AM which was a direct claime to being God and the Jews knew it that is why they tried to stone Him.

Jesus said he would take his own life back again yet els where it says that God will take His life back again.

can a mere man die for our sins? NO

Isaiah said he saw the glory of God yet in the new testament it says he saw the glory of Jesus.

In revelation Jesus claims the tital of GOd in saying he is the beginning and the end alpha and omega.

I could go on but much has already been said in other replys.


GOd is one yes this is true but the word one is the same word used in Gen when man and woman become one.

same again when the believers of Christ become one yet they are many.

why are we told to baptise in the name of three diff inderviduals unless of course they are GOd. hmmm let us make man in our own image. clearly plural.

Jesus in isaiah is called everlasting father wonderful counsolar and almighty God.

in the new testament we are told that Jesus led the Hebrews out of egypt yet in the old HE is called the I Am.

the whole BIble is the Testimony of Jesus beginning to end.

through out the entire Bible there is proof that GOd is made up of more than one indervidual.

by the way Jesus who in the new testament Phil 2 says although HE was in nature as GOd eg in His natural form was God he humbled Himself to death as a man. this is the beauty and mystery of God that God became man why so that He could die for our sins.

I could say much more but much has been said already blessings bye

 

[JWayne]

If you take water and freeze it, it becomes ice [yet it remains water], then if you take the ice and boil it, it becomes steam [still water]. So is the Trinity, God the father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit...three in one/one in three.

 

[Keason Tanner]

Matthew 28:18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Amen..

 

[ushalk]

jesus was the word and was with god and is god, word means thought idea but also means command or instruction and wisdom then that is what christ brought to us on the earth. the holy spirit is the breath of life. on the day of pentecost the apostles could not do anything concerning the gospal until the holy spirit filled them. in genesis when god made adam and eve he breathed life into them and they were alive. god is the creator of all things, therefire can do all things.

 

[muarader64]

<b>Angels, Jesus Christ, and Men have instances in scripture where they are referred to by the title of God or god. There are instances therein where Angels and some people are called Mighty, and Lords. Some men are called princes and counselors and fathers and sons. Angels are found therein being referred to as sons of God, as was Adam(whom was called "the son of God" in The Gospel according to Luke Chap. 3 : 38), since he was God's first created human son. But, no one with titles or descriptions that have been also applied to Jehovah, are actually Him, for The Lord of Hosts is God of gods and Lord of lords, and there is no God BUT him. Nor are they whom have the title applied to them of "the son/s of God" actually Jesus Christ, whom is THE ONLY-begotten Son of God, having proceeded forth and come from God himself(Christ Jesus is the Word of God).</b>


The First Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians Chap. 8 : 5-6 states:

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


The Book of Deuteronomy Chap. 10 : 17-18 states:

For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
18 He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.


Christ Jesus said unto his disciples in a time far past, as it is written in The Gospel according to John chap. 16 : 27-28:

For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.


It is written of what Christ Jesus said unto some Jews in a time far past in The Gospel according to John Chap. 8 : 42:

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.


The Book of Psalms Chap. 2 : 7-9 states:

I will tell of the decree: the LORD said unto me: 'Thou art My son, this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give the nations for thine inheritance, and the ends of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.'


It is written that Christ Jesus said in The Gospel according to John chap. 3 : 16-17:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


<b>Furthermore:

Consider the command that Christ Jesus gave, as it is contained in verse 37 of the Gospel according to Luke Chap. 6: "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged", which is included in the commands given for men to follow in the New Covenant. God is Sovereign. Therefore Holding Absolute power and authority over all things, being the Creator of, he has given all power and authority to Christ Jesus. Christ Jesus was ordained JUDGE by God, of the living and the dead.</b>


Christ Jesus said in a time far past, as it is written in The Gospel according to John Chap. 5 : 22-23:

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.


<b>Certain Men in a time far, far past executed authority as Judges, judging men.</b>

Check out what The Book of Psalms Chap. 82 : 1-2 states:

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

and then consider these verses(6-7) below:

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.


<b>See how above, men were referred to as "gods"? Just because they were referred to by the title of "gods", and judged men, Doesn't mean any one of them were, or are actually God, whom is the Supreme Judge(whom has committed all judgment unto his son). God is not a man, nor a man God. God MADE man(through Jesus Christ). God is a Spirit. He has NO equal.


Again: God is Sovereign; He is above ALL authorities and powers, holding absolute power and authority over all things. He has given all power and authority over all things to Christ Jesus. While on earth long ago, Jesus did miracles in the Father's name. God did Miracles through Christ Jesus, even gave Jesus power to do Miracles in his name, it is written that Christ Jesus said in a time far past "By Myself I can do nothing". Neither can we(those in Christ Jesus) do anything without Christ Jesus, he is our head, and support. The head of Christ Jesus is God.</b>


Remember these verses from The Book of Exodus?

The Book of Exodus Chap. 6 : 28 states:

And it came to pass on the day when the LORD spake unto Moses in the land of Egypt,
29 That the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, I am the LORD: speak thou unto Pharaoh king of Egypt all that I say unto thee.
30 And Moses said before the LORD, Behold, I am of uncircumcised lips, and how shall Pharaoh hearken unto me?

The continuation can be found in The Book of Exodus Chap. 7 : 1:

And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
2 Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.
3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.


<b>Notice what is written in Chap. 7 : 1? Just because Moses did miracles in a time far past, like parting a sea, doesn't mean he's God. Whom did that Miracle through Moses? Moses couldn't do any thing of himself, God GAVE Moses power to do things, in his name. Moses was not and is not God. God is not a man. God is a God of Miracles.</b>


Now Consider:

Certain in a time far past brought one sick of the palsy to Jesus, and it is written in The Gospel according to Mark Chap. 2 : 5-7:

When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
6 But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?


<b>Jesus Christ is not God himself, God GAVE Christ Jesus power and authority. Jesus Christ made known long ago the fact that he could do nothing of himself. Consider Jesus Christ's reaction long ago to the scribes comment(found in verse 7 of The Gospel according to Mark Chap. 2 above) to his words that he spoke to he who was sick of the palsy, as it is written in verses 8-11 below of</b> The Gospel according to Mark Chap. 2:

And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?
10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.


Now Consider the below verses(33-38):

In a time far past, after Jews had picked up stones again to stone Christ Jesus after some sayings of his, it is written in The Gospel according to John Chap. 10 : 33-38:

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

 

[Gracealone]

To those who like to refute the Holy Spirit as the third member of the Godhead need to look up the words, He, Him, His
These are pronoun. The man, boy or the object regarded as male., masculine third personal pronoun.

He will lead us into all truth...John 14:26

But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, "he" shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Here in this vrs. we see the trinity, or the Godhead....The Holy Ghost, the Father, and Jesus talking.
He shall teach you all things....He, is a person, masculine, not an it.

 

[carlos marquez]

The Trinity should be the object of our love,for the doctrine expresses the very heart and soul of scripture's message of redemption.If we wish to have a solid foundation for our faith,we need to learn why this doctrine is central and what it really expresses.We must also be able to recognize denials of the Trinity,whether blatant or subtle,and we must call Christian leaders to account when they allow this central truth of the faith to be undermined and relegated to "debatable" status.

 

[Boanerges]

Men in scripture have been called theos but never Ho' Theos
Men is scripture have been called elohim but never El Elohim.
The difference is the difference of a person in a place of authority as opposed the the Most High God. The Father Himself personally call the Son the Most High God.

 

[Jesus Lives!]

Yes, Amen!

 

[Jesus Lives!]

Yes, Amen! Gen 18 reveals to us how the Godhead talked to Abraham, - 3 Persons.

 

[dchena]

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus Christ is God.

Maybe those who are having trouble accepting this are relying on their own logic and understandings, which we were warned against doing in the Bible (sorry, don't know that passage off hand, but I know it's there)

 

[Boanerges]

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Pro 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.