The Two Witnesses, pros and cons

[TheRootOfDavid]

In recent chats here, there is a member who claims such a title. My thoughts are prudence, and we should take things with a grain of salt. ( as my mom used to say).

It is worse than you think
they are even making claims
that God loves them and they are
children of the living God.

 

[NoHype]

I am well aware of what is going on in the world. And aware of where everything is at when it comes to the end times. However to say that God is not in control would mean that Satan is greater than God.

There you go again, trying to put YOUR words into my mouth, saying I said something which I did not!

You are NOT... an honest person that kind of wrong behavior shows, for I NEVER SAID SATAN HAS POWER OVER GOD, NOR DID I EVER SAY GOD IS NOT IN CONTROL!!!

Therefore, may God REBUKE YOU in the Name of Jesus Christ for bearing false witness!

 

[NoHype]

For brethren in Christ here that want to know what God's Word shows what Satan's position is in this present world, here's a little Bible lesson on that....

Firstly, in the following Isaiah 10 Scripture, God is using the title of "the Assyrian" to point to Satan. God does this in several places in The Old Testament prophets; this is one of them.

God speaking here...

Isa 10:5-27
5 O Assyrian, the rod of Mine anger, and the staff in their hand is Mine indignation.
6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of My wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.

God calls the "Assyrian" "the rod of Mine anger". That means, God is USING SATAN as a punishing rod upon the wicked for this present world. So is that God in control of Satan or not? Oh, you're not sure that God is actually speaking about Satan here, while using that "Assyrian" title? Read this then...

Isa 30:31-33
31 For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.
32 And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass, which the LORD shall lay upon him, it shall be with tabrets and harps: and in battles of shaking will He fight with it.
33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; He hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.
KJV

We know for certain... that above reference by God to that "Assyrian" is actually God pointing to Satan using that title.

Reason is, because the flesh born king of Assyria of history has still not yet been judged and sentenced to perish in that future "Tophet", which is put as a symbol for the future "lake of fire" of Rev.20. No flesh born has been judged to perish in that "lake of fire" yet, only Satan and his angels have (Matthew 25:41). Lord Jesus used that "Tophet" to point to the future "lake of fire" perishing, when the New Testament word "hell" is Greek geena (NT:1067) in the manuscripts.

Does that not reveal that our Heavenly Father and His Son are in control of Satan? It sure does!!!

Not only that, it shows that GOD is using... Satan as His punishing rod upon the rebellious! That is actually Satan's role for this present world! Satan knows he is already a goner, having already been judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire". But he won't go in that fire until GOD IS FINISHED USING HIM.

So those who do not understand what role God has given Satan to play for this present world, nor understand God's Word about HIS having given Satan even the power of death (Hebrews 2), those simply reveal their Biblical illiteracy, and show they do not understand what is going on in this present world!

 

[NoHype]

I am well aware of what is going on in the world.

No, you really are not... aware of what is really going on in this present world. You 'think'... you know, but by your not understanding Satan's role that God is using him for during this present world, according to Bible Scripture I have already shown, then it means you are still in confusion about Bible prophecy for the end of this world also. Satan is coming to this world, in person, in our near future, like Jesus said, and your words show you are not ready for it. But... you certainly won't be alone in your deception.

And aware of where everything is at when it comes to the end times. However to say that God is not in control would mean that Satan is greater than God.

I never said that God is not in control. That is YOU BEARING FALSE WITNESS, TELLING A LIE. So yeah, I said it, I just called you a LIAR, because that is what you just told.

God is always in control. He allows Satan to do what he wants at this time up to a point. But Satan does not have 100% control of what's going on.

You could say that Satan is Allowed by God to do the things he does, but he will never be 100% in control even when the Antichrist is here.

Of course GOD is always... in control. I NEVER said He was not!

It's evident that you have something going on 'within your own mind' where you get things 'twisted', and that reveals you are in some sort of 'confusion'.

You do realize that is what listening to a 'familiar spirit' does to one's mind, right? You claimed to be a prophet and that God and Christ talk to you personally like one of the prophets of old, so I can understand how you would get what people say all 'twisted' in your mind, that being from influence of an 'evil spirit'.

 

[Bill]

It is worse than you think
they are even making claims
that God loves them and they are
children of the living God.

Any created person are the created children of God. Now mankind needs to become the baptised children, and that is our job, to preach to the world

 

[TheRootOfDavid]

Any created person are the created children of God. Now mankind needs to become the baptised children, and that is our job, to preach to the world

I think it is wonderful that you believe this you have said to me. Now do you job
and preach it to all your brethren.

 

[Bill]

I think it is wonderful that you believe this you have said to me. Now do you job
and preach it to all your brethren.

He shall not break the bending reed nor put out the flickering flame

 

[johnbenjaminprice]

The member who makes this claim is one of the most loving people I have encountered online. In confession I was jesting about this very claim to a friend of mine yesterday, but who knows, not my place to agree or disagree with such a loving person who clearly loves his neighbor and the lord with all his heart from what I have seen.

The two witnesses would never tell anyone that they are the two witnesses because the most important thing is that it's about the people who accept Jesus Christ and the two witnesses are hiding in plan sight.The two witnesses do not attract people to them.you could bump into one of them and not know who you bumpt into.God has not given them power yet which means that they are vulnerable to just think about all those people that hate the two witnesses and think of what they would do if the names were known?

 

[lentz]

The two witnesses would never tell anyone that they are the two witnesses because the most important thing is that it's about the people who accept Jesus Christ and the two witnesses are hiding in plan sight.The two witnesses do not attract people to them.you could bump into one of them and not know who you bumpt into.God has not given them power yet which means that they are vulnerable to just think about all those people that hate the two witnesses and think of what they would do if the names were known?

Amen
They certainly wouldn’t brag about it

 

[watertolive]

The witnesses will not be people that y'all will desire to look upon. They will be pitiful, with much grief and humiliation. Most likely dirty looking, like they live under the bridge. The thing that will be most obvious, they will be in total submission to God. And correct, they will not be announcing who they are, but rather who Christ is.
Some act as though this position is envious and jealousy arises within you; I tell you nay. You obviously forget the dying in the name of Christ part. They will be laughed and mocked, spit on and beaten, humiliated beyond belief; wearing their rags of mourning. Mourning for us and what is about to happen (to us). I say (us), because those who claim to belong to Christ will be the leaders of the pack; knowing better, but can't help but to do the same to them as the high priest and elders, scribes and Pharasees did to the Lord. Some will be so bold as to scoff, Look at you! There's no way God would use someone as pathetic looking as you!
If (they) have done it to Him, (they) will do it to you.
Well Bless God for it. They know great will be their reward in heaven. After they have endured much grief and humiliation and sorrows for His name's sake. Yes, God counts them worthy to suffer for His name's sake; because He has prepared them for their journey. They know what scoffing, and slander and being falsely accused feels like, because God has used people, like some here do, as that vessel.
Some here, are already doing these things to fellow brothers and sister, scoffing and mocking, never considering yourselves. What! You think your bigger then God? I tell you nay, you are not. God will raise these two back to life, and stand them on their feet and give them power to devour their enemies. Fire shall come out of their mouths and consume anyone opposing, not them, but God.
I say this as a strong warning; best humble ourselves before God, and truly REPENT. Your eternity depends on it.
Bless God first, by blessing others.

 

[Bill]

The two witnesses would never tell anyone that they are the two witnesses because the most important thing is that it's about the people who accept Jesus Christ and the two witnesses are hiding in plan sight.The two witnesses do not attract people to them.you could bump into one of them and not know who you bumpt into.God has not given them power yet which means that they are vulnerable to just think about all those people that hate the two witnesses and think of what they would do if the names were known?

this is your own opinion. You need to clarify that.

Certainly there are many characters of the scripture that are quiet about their person. I'm not so quiet, and I don't mind talking about myself is there a problem?

I think if we follow the example of Paul, he certainly wasn't very quiet in fact he was quite boasting about his place with God. He was unafraid to say his mind, and I think if more Christians were unafraid to be what God calls them too that you would find that more people would be willing to become Christian

 

[johnbenjaminprice]

In recent chats here, there is a member who claims such a title. My thoughts are prudence, and we should take things with a grain of salt. ( as my mom used to say).

Other thoughts that come to my mind, ( after hearing of him) well why not. After all, it isn't like the "Two Witnesses will pop up" out of the ground, in Jerusalem. They will have to come from somewhere.

As the Scripture states, "I shall send" Rev 11:3.

And knowing how it was for John the Baptist, he was born and killed. And yet Jesus refered to him as Elijah.

Even greater proof is shown in Matthew, as John the Baptist was killed before the transfiguration Matthew 17:3 scripture states the apostles recognized Moses and Elijah. They knew John the Baptist, but he was not present.

What this shows us, the spirit that was in the heart of John was the same as in Elijah, but these two individuals are different people.

So the Witnesses, although having the same spirit and zeel in thier hearts, will be two other individuals as well.

On a side note, there is no evidence to conclude the Witnesses are Jewish, nor that the message is only for the Jews and Muslims. As scripture also states Rev 11:10 "and the people of the world will be glad about it and celebrate the event by giving presents to each other, because these two prophets have been a plague to the people of the world"

That's the biggest clue that the person in question is not one of the two witnesses.The rapture has not happened which means that God has not given them power yet so with taking into account what I said because of the fact that almost everyone on earth are going to hate the two witnesses so why would either one of the two witnesses draw attention to themselves? The two witnesses are as vulnerable as everyone else on earth which means that the two witnesses can be killed.God is not stupid and it it's clear that God has taken steps to make sure that people don't know who they are because that right now is there only protection because if it was more then that the two witnesses would be exposed to the world which is painting a bullseye on the two witnesses when they have no power.The two witnesses must be able to function in our time and would with languages that people of the past would not understand what they are saying when you think of the people who are popular do you think that they would be able to handle all the changes in the world?The two witnesses are not going to expose themselves when they have not been power.One more thing it's jesus christ who will be talking through the two witnesses and it's Jesus Christ who will be doing things through the two witnesses because only Jesus Christ can handle such power they are going to witness everything that Jesus Christ does and says through the two witnesses That is what god has called them to do!!?

 

[johnbenjaminprice]

Greetings,

Two witnesses to the LORD, who the majority of the world would be glad to see the end of, are The Church and Israel.

What are your thoughts?

Both have many members but one body, walking as one.


Bless you ....><>

The two witnesses are two people and you should accept the fact that God doesn't want people to know who the two witnesses are until God gives them power and starts talking through the two witnesses it's gods wisdom and gods knowledge and gods power and the only one who can control such power is Jesus Christ only this time it's through two witnesses.Fact for a time after the rapture has happened the two witnesses will be the only Christians on earth literally!!!

 

[johnbenjaminprice]

this is your own opinion. You need to clarify that.

Certainly there are many characters of the scripture that are quiet about their person. I'm not so quiet, and I don't mind talking about myself is there a problem?

I think if we follow the example of Paul, he certainly wasn't very quiet in fact he was quite boasting about his place with God. He was unafraid to say his mind, and I think if more Christians were unafraid to be what God calls them too that you would find that more people would be willing to become Christian

It's in the Bible and do you think that god would paint a bullseye on the two witnesses when they had not been given power??? Just because the two witnesses are not named doesn't mean that they are not two people who have grown up in our time.Think if you were One of the two witnesses would you expose yourself When you have no protection that is why we don't know who they are and if you asked them there names they won't tell you or anyone because when you come down to it is about the people who will be saved and not about the two witnesses that is why there is vary little in describing the two witnesses.Ask god about it..