The Unteachable Christian: When Defending Your Position Matters More Than Truth

KingJ

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One of the most troubling things I encounter among professing Christians is not simply that they hold beliefs I disagree with. It is that some appear completely unwilling to reconsider those beliefs, even when Scripture is presented that directly challenges their position.

A Christian who genuinely loves the truth must be willing to be corrected by it.

Consider what Scripture teaches about those who refuse to learn.

1. The wise person accepts correction, but the fool resists it.

Proverbs 12:1 says, “Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.”

Proverbs 9:9 says that instructing a wise person makes him wiser.

The issue is not whether someone already knows a great deal. The question is whether he is willing to learn when his understanding is challenged.

2. Hating correction is not evidence that you are defending the truth.

Proverbs 9:8 contrasts the person who hates reproof with the wise person who loves the one who corrects him.

Proverbs 15:31–32 teaches that listening to life-giving correction is the path of wisdom, while rejecting instruction is self-destructive.

Be careful not to confuse confidence in your beliefs with wisdom. A person can be absolutely convinced he is right and still be wrong.

3. A genuine desire for truth requires listening before answering.

James 1:19 commands us to be “swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath.”

Proverbs 18:13 warns that answering a matter before hearing it fully is folly and shame.

How often do people respond to an argument they have not properly understood? They seize upon one phrase, attack a side issue, or repeat their original position without addressing the actual objection.

That is not a serious examination of truth. It is a defence of one's existing position.

4. Scripture must correct our theology, not merely be used to defend it.

Acts 17:11 commends the Bereans because they examined the Scriptures daily to determine whether what they heard was true.

2 Timothy 3:16 teaches that Scripture is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness.

If we genuinely submit to God's Word, we must allow it to challenge our assumptions. We cannot insist that our interpretation is correct regardless of what the passages actually say.

The question is not whether we can find verses that appear to support our position. It is whether our position stands up to the full teaching of Scripture.

5. Repeating a claim does not prove it.

Proverbs 18:17 explains that the first person to present his case may seem right until another comes and examines it.

Proverbs 14:12 warns that a way can seem right to a person and still lead to destruction.

Simply repeating a theological conclusion, quoting the same passages again, or insisting that an opponent has misunderstood you does not establish that your interpretation is correct.

If an argument is challenged, address the challenge. If a Scripture is cited against your position, explain why it does not mean what your opponent claims. Do not simply restate your original conclusion and pretend the issue has been settled.

6. We must test what we hear, including what we already believe.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 says, “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”

1 John 4:1 commands believers not to believe every spirit, but to test the spirits.

These commands do not exempt our favourite preachers, denominations, theological systems or personal interpretations. Everything must be tested against God's truth.

If you are willing to scrutinise everyone else's beliefs but refuse to scrutinise your own, you are applying a double standard.

7. Hearing the Word is not enough if we refuse to act upon it.

James 1:22 warns, “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”

A person can know biblical terminology, memorise passages, debate theology for hours and still refuse to let God's Word correct his thinking or conduct.

Knowledge is not the same as submission. Winning an argument is not the same as growing in Christ.

8. Pride can make a person impossible to teach.

Proverbs 11:2 teaches that pride brings shame, while humility brings wisdom.

Philippians 2:3 commands believers to act with humility rather than selfish ambition or conceit.

An unwillingness to admit error can reveal that protecting one's reputation has become more important than discovering the truth.

There is nothing shameful about saying, “I was wrong. I need to reconsider that.” In fact, the willingness to do so can be a mark of genuine humility.

9. We must correct others with patience, not hostility.

2 Timothy 2:24–25 teaches that the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome, but must be gentle, patient and able to correct opponents with meekness.

Galatians 6:1 instructs spiritual believers to restore someone caught in a fault in a spirit of meekness, while considering themselves.

Being teachable does not mean accepting every criticism or agreeing with everyone. It means being willing to examine correction honestly and respond according to Scripture.

Likewise, being right about a particular issue does not give us permission to become arrogant, cruel or self-righteous.

10. There comes a point when we must recognise that someone is unwilling to listen.

Proverbs 9:8 warns that a scoffer may respond to correction with hatred.

Matthew 7:6 teaches discernment about offering what is precious to those who will only trample upon it.

2 Timothy 2:23 warns against foolish and ignorant disputes that produce strife.

We are called to teach, correct and reason from Scripture, but we are not required to participate endlessly in arguments where every answer is ignored and every correction is met with another evasion.

Sometimes wisdom means recognising when further discussion is no longer productive.

A final question​

Before accusing someone else of being deceived, ask yourself:

Am I genuinely seeking what Scripture teaches, or am I merely seeking biblical support for what I have already decided to believe?

Would I change my position if Scripture clearly demonstrated that I was wrong? Am I willing to examine the passages in context, acknowledge a valid objection and admit when I have misunderstood something?

If the honest answer is no, then the problem is deeper than a disagreement over doctrine.

A person who refuses to be corrected cannot grow in the knowledge of the truth in the way that a humble, teachable person can.

Let us be Christians who love truth more than our traditions, Scripture more than our theological systems, and correction more than the comfort of believing we are always right.

The goal is not to win every argument. The goal is to be faithful to God's Word, even when it exposes our own mistakes.
 
A question we should all be willing to ask ourselves

It is easy to recognise stubbornness in someone else, but much harder to recognise it in ourselves.

If someone presented you with clear Scripture that contradicted one of your deeply held beliefs, would you honestly reconsider your position, or would you immediately search for a way to explain the passage away?

Do we approach Scripture willing to learn what God has revealed, or do we approach it determined to defend what we already believe?

Acts 17:11 commends the Bereans for examining the Scriptures to see whether what they were taught was true.

Proverbs 18:17 reminds us that the first side of an argument can appear correct until someone examines it properly.

And James 1:19 tells us to be swift to hear, slow to speak and slow to wrath.

Being teachable does not mean agreeing with everyone. It means being humble enough to examine the evidence, honest enough to acknowledge when we are wrong, and committed enough to follow the truth wherever it leads.

None of us should be more loyal to our own interpretation than to God's Word.

The question is not simply whether we believe we are right. It is whether we are willing to be corrected if we are wrong.
 
The bible is deliberately written in a way that leaves some mystery. 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 Had the first coming of Jesus and the redemption plan been crystal clear in the old testament, satan never would have crucified Him. For the second coming to unfold as a true test it is also left shrouded in mystery.

There are plenty of brilliant bible scholars who earnestly disagree on various bible topics. Each one so certain that their interpretation is correct.

I have a tendency to overthink things and on occasion find this short video helpful to get back to basics.


though I ... understand all mysteries, and all knowledge ... and have not charity, I am nothing 1 Corinthians 13:2

I was once falsely accused of being an unchristian liar by someone on these forums. "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."
 
A question we should all be willing to ask ourselves
Do we approach Scripture willing to learn what God has revealed, or do we approach it determined to defend what we already believe?
I don't know man, do you approach God willing to defer to your translation of choice?
Or should you approach God determined to defend what you already believe?
Yes there is humor in this.

Being teachable does not mean agreeing with everyone. It means being humble enough to examine the evidence, honest enough to acknowledge when we are wrong, and committed enough to follow the truth wherever it leads.
None of us should be more loyal to our own interpretation than to God's Word.
The question is not simply whether we believe we are right. It is whether we are willing to be corrected if we are wrong.
Thank God for 2nd Peter chapter 3, otherwise Saul of Tarsus' writings would be fiction, akin to the Biblia Sacra et Ultra and whatever your local Christian published today (Saint John 21:25).
 
@joestueI have moved your post here so as to not derail the other thread.

if this was your forum you would be the only one posting in it, as you would ban everyone who disagrees with you.

Sure, many, definitely you. I pray you come to understand why that is.

The problem is that many of my opponents seem unconcerned that their interpretation of Scripture completely misrepresents God's character and portrays Him as evil and unjust.

We can disagree on doctrine, but not every interpretation is equally defensible. One thing that should never be up for debate is that God is good Psalm 136:1, just Job 34:12 and righteous Psalm 145:17. Any interpretation must be consistent with these attributes as clearly revealed in Scripture. Facts not up for debate. Your doctrine either agrees or it is false. God is good, therefore a doctrine that portrays Him as clearly evil is false. God being good = fact. Your doctrine being scriptural = not a fact.

Taking you as an example, you promote Calvinism and its teaching that God chooses some individuals for salvation while passing over others. You place great emphasis on Romans 9:21 while failing to account for the wider biblical revelation of God's character and His desire for all people to be saved (1 Timothy 2:3-4; 2 Peter 3:9).

You have also argued that children as young as 11 deserve eternal punishment based on your personal experience.

When you present your interpretation as biblical truth despite what I regard as serious contradictions with God's revealed goodness and justice, you risk doing precisely what Scripture warns against: promoting false teaching (2 Peter 2:1). I will challenge that teaching, just as I expect you to challenge mine if you believe I am misrepresenting God and Scripture.

For argument's sake, how can anyone claim in one breath that God is perfectly good, just and righteous, yet in the next teach that He deliberately chooses to save some people while leaving others to suffer eternal punishment when He could have saved them too? How can that be reconciled with God's goodness and justice? These are not attributes we are free to redefine to accommodate our theology. Our interpretation of Scripture must uphold God's character, not undermine it.
 
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I don't know man, do you approach God willing to defer to your translation of choice?
Or should you approach God determined to defend what you already believe?
Yes there is humor in this.


Thank God for 2nd Peter chapter 3, otherwise Saul of Tarsus' writings would be fiction, akin to the Biblia Sacra et Ultra and whatever your local Christian published today (Saint John 21:25).

All our interpretations must properly represent the clearly revealed attributes and character of God.

1. Good: Psalm 119:68 (KJV) “Thou art good, and doest good; teach me thy statutes.”
2. Just: Deuteronomy 32:4 (KJV) “All his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.”
3. Righteous: Psalm 145:17 (KJV) “The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”
4. Love: 1 John 4:8 (KJV) “He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.”
5. Merciful: Psalm 103:8 (KJV) “The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.”
6. Impartial: Romans 2:11 (KJV) “For there is no respect of persons with God.”
7. Truthful: Titus 1:2 (KJV) “In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began.”
8. Omniscient: 1 John 3:20 (KJV) “For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.”
9. Patient: 2 Peter 3:9 (KJV) “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
10. Holy: Isaiah 6:3 (KJV) “And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.”

God is all of these at the same time.

When we apply this filter to our own theories and those of others, the garbage being taught by false teachers becomes exposed.

Calvinism is one of the easiest examples to use as a case study.

People come along, read Scripture, namely Romans 9:21, which says that God can make one vessel unto honour and another unto dishonour, and 1 John 3:20, which says that God knows all things, and then put a full stop there. They proceed to preach that God has in fact decided to create vessels unto dishonour and save only some people from eternal punishment.

They do this while ignoring that Scripture also teaches that God is impartial (Romans 2:11) and is not willing that any should perish (2 Peter 3:9).

Just because God can make vessels unto dishonour does not automatically mean that He does.

At this point I honestly struggle to understand whether their 'brain is no longer working' or whether they are false teachers who simply do not care that their teaching misrepresents God.

I mean for arguments sake, they teach that God is monstrously evil (Creator + partial + eternal punishment = monster) yet in the same breath claim that He is good and righteous. They redefine righteousness to mean, in effect, "Whatever God does is righteous simply because He is God." This does not explain how their interpretation reflects God's revealed goodness and justice. It simply redefines righteousness to protect their theology.

The end result is that they portray God in a way that will completely put all off God and Christianity.

I am truly surprised that Calvinists are even Calvinists. Imagine being someone who chooses to serve and obey a God you believe is ... partial.
 
All our interpretations must properly represent the clearly revealed attributes and character of God.
Amen. There is no contradiction in The Word. We mortals lack discipline lol

When we apply this filter to our own theories and those of others, the garbage being taught by false teachers becomes exposed.
Calvinism is one of the easiest examples to use as a case study. [...]
They do this while ignoring that Scripture also teaches that God is impartial (Romans 2:11) and is not willing that any should perish (2 Peter 3:9).

Just because God can make vessels unto dishonour does not automatically mean that He does.
Yeah, like how one of the best angels decided to become an evil creature all on their own. This emphasizes the importance for accountability on our part as other created beings, and also how essential it is for Jesus Christ to be our Divine Advocate.

The end result is that they portray God in a way that will completely put all off God and Christianity.
I am truly surprised that Calvinists are even Calvinists. Imagine being someone who chooses to serve and obey a God you believe is ... partial.
Yeah, like Judas Iscariot, after witnessing so many miracles, could have gone to the Cross and begged forgiveness from Christ. But nope... somehow despite people like Saul of Tarsus and others, Judas walked into Hell on his own. Guilt is terrible, and Hell is Hell, but even the outright possessed can be saved by Jesus!
 
Hi @Brightfame52 , so as to not derail your other thread, I have copied and pasted our discussion here.

Ive given you plenty of scripture.

You are getting yourself lost in Calvinistic theology and not responding logically to logical arguments I am raising.

Please try understand that. Put Calvinism aside, take a step back and just meditate on the 'logic' of what I am accusing you of.

Anyone of us can be deceived. I am telling you in simple terms that you are deceived and giving you sound logical reasons for it.

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I mean for arguments sake, lets use a very logical and clear example. Your belief teaches that God will send your cute and adorable eight year old daughter (let's assume you have one) , that you LOVE SO MUCH to an ETERNAL FIRE, whether she repents of her sins or not. Whether she is a good person or not. It is all irrelevant. The fact that she is a child, also irrelevant.

How are you 'ok' with serving such a God?

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Before I was a Christian and even more now, I interrogate the bejeepers out of God. If there is ''ANYTHING' that I see as evil by Him, I will NOT serve Him. And this is why I am such a DEVOUT Christian today. There is NOTHING evil in God. He and scripture has passed all my scrutiny.

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Good people / or people who love what is good serve a good God. How is that good people ( I assume you) can serve an evil god?

IE Why are you such a proactive Calvinist when you believe God will send many who have absolutely no say in the matter, to an eternal fire? How do you not see that as a sick and monstrous god creator?
 
For argument's sake, how can anyone claim in one breath that God is perfectly good, just and righteous, yet in the next teach that He deliberately chooses to save some people while leaving others to suffer eternal punishment when He could have saved them too? How can that be reconciled with God's goodness and justice? These are not attributes we are free to redefine to accommodate our theology. Our interpretation of Scripture must uphold God's character, not undermine it.
its an answer to a paradox, not a matter of character.

You persist in missrepresenting this matter because you have to, in order to preach an almost total universalism gospel, where all good boys go to heaven with the exception of a few bad adults.

I read somewhere recently that the purpose of Romans, (where we find 99% of calvanist theology) --it was is a legal defense written to defend Paul. -and i have no doubt that is true. i have never been inspired to read any of it!

but if you believe it and the other 12 letters we think were written by him to be INSPIRED. then you would do better to pay attention to his theology, and the warnings he gave for many sins having a far harsher outcome than your current taste palate can handle.


and thank you for pointing out the MATT 22:14 translation from the forum default "world english bible". the translators showed you there is a problem with that one as well.

No one in english says "many are called but few chosen" -there needs to be an "are" in there.
Instead what Jesus said "for many (the masses, everyone, as a result of the former guests not attending) are called but few choose" meaning:
Few choose to attend the wedding feast he was just speaking a parable about.


If you want to prefer your "many are called but a select few are chosen"

well, that's just back to calvanism once again, God picks favorites and chooses them.

otherwise, what reason do you have for 97% of the world rejecting Jesus?
 
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