There is no trinity in John 1:1

[Rejoice evermore.]

1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Amen. God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself. As the man Christ Jesus said: I and my Father are one.

 

[Rhema]

Amen. God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself. As the man Christ Jesus said: I and my Father are one.

One what?

Rhema
( I thought you didn't believe in the Trinity.)

 

[Rhema]

1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know him (God?) who is true; and we are in the authentic in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.​

(1 John 5:20 NRSV~)​

One might well ask what is the "understanding" that the Son of God has given us... so that we know the true (authentic) God.

Rhema

 

[Curtis]

And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know him (God?) who is true; and we are in the authentic in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.​

(1 John 5:20 NRSV~)​

One might well ask what is the "understanding" that the Son of God has given us... so that we know the true (authentic) God.

Rhema

Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Joh_14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Once God is inside of a person then he will begin to know and understand what was once unknowable.

 

[Rejoice evermore.]

One what?

Rhema
( I thought you didn't believe in the Trinity.)

Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it?

 

[Rhema]

Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it?

As if you know the sound of one hand clapping.

 

[Rhema]

Once God is inside of a person then he will begin to know and understand what was once unknowable.

Thank you, but then why do you not know what I know?

However, that's not what the passage actually says. It refers to the teachings of Jesus.

Rhema

 

[Searchingtoo]

Which Word of God?

The Bible speaks of two "Word of God"(s). The RHEMA of God and the LOGOS of God. To conflate these is to start out in confusion.


Technically NO it is not written. At best one might say "It is translated..."

This is what is written:

Joh 1:1-3 εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος ουτος ην εν αρχη προς τον θεον παντα δι αυτου εγενετο και χωρις αυτου εγενετο ουδε εν ο γεγονεν ​

So are you really sure your translations are adequate?

I would state that one cannot understand the Gospel named John unless one has read Philo. The style of writing and the type of literature of this gospel indicates it was written either as polemic against Philo, or as an expansion upon Philo by a student who was then converted to Christianity.

Out of years of studying this type of literature, I offer the following more accurate English rendition of John 1:1. But I'm not going to append the PhD thesis notes, nor make a detailed defense here. So you can reject or accept as... whatever.

(John 1:1) The Pattern (λογος) was suffused throughout the cosmic protoplasm, and the Pattern was only of the Divine Good, and Sovereign is the Pattern.​

To establish doctrine on false first principles and inadequate linguistic conclusions can only lead to compounded error.

Thanks kindly,
Rhema

Hey Rhema, Can you bring yourself down to my level? Probably not.

 

[Searchingtoo]

Did you actually READ John 1:1? The Word was with God? and the Word was God....there you two parts of our triune God. Jesus IS the Word of God. When you read the Word, don't do it alone...You have the Holy Spirit to teach you....Listen to Him! Not to your own intelligence.

Translators could have saved a lot of confusion if they just wrote the word was a god like it should be. You know, the whole definite article thing.

 

[Curtis]

Translators could have saved a lot of confusion if they just wrote the word was a god like it should be.

The New World translation is not correct.

 

[Rhema]

Hey Rhema, Can you bring yourself down to my level? Probably not.

You are more than welcome to come on up...

But what part do you need dumbed down? ( I'll try my best.)

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Translators could have saved a lot of confusion if they just wrote the word was a god like it should be. You know, the whole definite article thing.

THERE IS NO INDEFINITE ARTICLE IN GREEK. So to add in the word "a" is ADDING IN WORDS.

Translators should not become lying scribes. That's how we lost the Torah, and why Jesus had to come... to fix it.

How can you say, "We are wise, and the Torah of the LORD is with us," when, in fact, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?​

(Jeremiah 8:8 NRSV~)​

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to repair.​

(Matthew 5:17 NRSV~)​

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

The New World translation is not correct.

Have them read their own Kingdom Interlinear Translation.

Rhema
(It's a hoot.)

 

[Searchingtoo]

You are more than welcome to come on up...

But what part do you need dumbed down? ( I'll try my best.)

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

But I need to know the right level I should stop on... Dresses? Menswear? Household items? Unmentionables? Lawn and Garden? Electronics and Computers? Gourmet Candy? (can it be gourmet candy please?) If not, then Kilts? I need a new Kilt.... I have a red and a blue but want a purple Kilt for my coronation.

Help a guy out. (And enjoy the bass drum....)

Rhema

 

[Butch5]

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[Searchingtoo]

But I need to know the right level I should stop on... Dresses? Menswear? Household items? Unmentionables? Lawn and Garden? Electronics and Computers? Gourmet Candy? (can it be gourmet candy please?) If not, then Kilts? I need a new Kilt.... I have a red and a blue but want a purple Kilt for my coronation.

Help a guy out. (And enjoy the bass drum....)

Rhema

You're a hoot Rhema!

 

[Searchingtoo]

Have them read their own Kingdom Interlinear Translation.

Rhema
(It's a hoot.)

Thought you might find this interesting.

Jason Beduhn, a historian of religion and culture, currently Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University in his book Truth in Translation said “While it is difficult to quantify this sort of analysis, it can be said the NW [=New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, published by the Jehovah’s Witnesses] emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared”. He compared to NKJV NIV and numerous others.

Professor Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein, a Hebrew scholar in Israel, said in 1989: “In my linguistic research in connection with the Hebrew Bible and translations, I often refer to the English edition of what is known as the New World Translation. In so doing, I find my feeling repeatedly confirmed that this work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible.”

Commenting on the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, British Bible critic Alexander Thomson wrote: “The translation is evidently the work of skilled and clever scholars, who have sought to bring out as much of the true sense of the Greek text as the English language is capable of expressing.”—The Differentiator, April 1952, page 52.

Despite noting what he felt were a few unusual renderings, author Charles Francis Potter said: “The anonymous translators have certainly rendered the best manuscript texts, both Greek and Hebrew, with scholarly ability and acumen.”—The Faiths Men Live By,page 300.

In his review of the New World Translation that forms part of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, Associate Professor Thomas N. Winter wrote: “The translation by the anonymous committee is thoroughly up-to-date and consistently accurate.”

 

[Searchingtoo]

THERE IS NO INDEFINITE ARTICLE IN GREEK. So to add in the word "a" is ADDING IN WORDS.

Translators should not become lying scribes. That's how we lost the Torah, and why Jesus had to come... to fix it.

How can you say, "We are wise, and the Torah of the LORD is with us," when, in fact, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?​

(Jeremiah 8:8 NRSV~)​

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to repair.​

(Matthew 5:17 NRSV~)​

Rhema

Come on Rhema, you know that is a false argument. The very reason it should read "a god" is that John omitted the definite article when he wrote "the (def.art.) word was (no def. art.) god. That is the only place in John 1:1 he omitted it when talking about the word or god. You don't think he did it by accident do you. Remember "all scripture in inspired by God. Since there is no indefinite article the best way to show it means a god instead of the God is to omit the definite article as John did.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

1. It brings one into Christ (2Co_5:17). (Luk_22:3).
2. One is a new creature (2Co_5:17).
3. Old things are passed away (2Co_5:17). The Greek word for "old" is archaios (G744), ancient, original, old. Such things are no more in one.
4. All things are new (2Co_5:17). The life is just the opposite of the old life.
5. All things are of God (2Co_5:18). The true Christian does not permit anything in his life which is ungodly and unChristlike (Rom_6:14-23; Rom_8:1-13; Gal_5:16-26).
6. One is reconciled to God (2Co_5:18; Rom_5:10; Eph_2:14-18; Col_1:20-21).
7. He has part in the ministry of reconciliation (2Co_5:18-20; 2Co_1:18-24).
8. He has been trusted with the Word of reconciliation (2Co_5:19; Mar_16:15-20).
9. He is an ambassador of God in Christ’s stead (2Co_5:20; Pro_13:17).
10. He is the righteousness of God in Christ (2Co_5:21; Rom_3:21-31; Rom_8:4).

Curtis It took me a long time to get back to you on this, and I apologize.
My question still stands....Please defiine "In Christ" One cannot really define it until one knows what the word even means....What does the word "christ" mean? It is not Jesus' last name. "Christ" means 'The anointed one and his anointing.' Jesus is the anointed one....If you are born again and serious about walking with Him you are anointed with that same anointing. IF you follow Him and not your own way. You must walk in that anointing. Walking in the anointing gives us the authority to become sons of God. Walking in the anointing is an action, a way of life, much more than a state of being.... It seems that many many Christians assume they are in Him, in Christ, in the Anointing when all they are really doing is walking in the flesh.