There is only one law to obey in and with Jesus

[JesusIs4Me]

@JesusIs4Me,
Paul spoke a lot of "I's" saying "I" keep under my body bringing it into subjection. Lest "I" have preached unto others "I" myself" should be a castaway (1Cor. 9:27). Paul also boasts on other men's accounts for the Corinthians good deeds of obedience to God's commands.

That is with this understanding... that he does all things by Christ Who strengthens him; .

Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

2 Corinthians 9:2, 3
For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which "I boast of you" to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many. Yet have I sent the brethren, lest "our boasting of you" should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, you may be ready:

Paul is just boasting about the church in her giving to others in need and supporting the missionaries in the field as an example to the flock. You are allowed to boast of others; just not yourself.

Proverbs 27:2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

If you want to compare how Paul was as a religious Jew to how he lives now...then reread Philippians 3:1-14 KJV in post #19. How can you rectify the opposing verses? You can't. Therefore you are applying His words wrong and failing to have all the scripture line up with your beliefs when some of the scripture reproves what or how you are applying His words to mean.

 

[regibassman57]

@JesusIs4Me,
You Said: "Religious people live by keeping commitments and promises; but that is not how we obey Him"

GOD'S word says different. Peter was preaching what God commanded him concerning the promises through faith (belief). He was boldly obedient against the Jews.

Acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

God is going to judge a believer for their good deeds and evil deeds. Your deeds determine your faith if you believe Jesus or not.

Romans 2:6, 7, 9
God will render to every man according to his deeds. To them who by patient continuance in well "doing" seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life. But unto them that are contentious, and "do not obey" the truth, but "obey unrighteousness," indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

A man's belief is shown through their actions. Adam's unbelief was shown through his disobedient works. Noah's faith was seen through his obedience of works. Abraham's faith was seen through his obedience of works. Israel's was concluded not to have faith because of their disobedient actions (Deu. 32:20).

If a believer does not follow the Shepard, which is the Holy Ghost, God will not force that man to follow. The Spirit does not force the follower, the Spirit "leads" the follower. If the follower stops following the Spirit they will be chasten. If that doesn't work God will give a believer over. God didn't "make" the Jews follow and listen to Jesus, they had a choice.

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Jesus offered for people to follow Him, He didn't make them.

Matthew 4:19
And Jesus saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

Mark 8:34
And when Jesus had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever "will" come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

If a person chooses to follow Jesus it's by their own choice. They choose to consent to every commandment Jesus commands of them. If they believe in Jesus they will follow, if they don't they will not.

John 15:12
This is my commandment, That you love one another, as I have loved you.

John 15:14
You are my friends, if you do whatsoever I command you.

If Jesus is not your friend it's because you are not His friend and chose not to obey Him by doing what He commanded you and because you don't believe the word of the Promise. The condition is "If (conditionally) you do what He commands you

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that "do God's commandments", that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

@JesusIs4Me,
You Said: "Religious people live by keeping commitments and promises; but that is not how we obey Him"

GOD'S word says different. Peter was preaching what God commanded him concerning the promises through faith (belief). He was boldly obedient against the Jews.

Acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

God is going to judge a believer for their good deeds and evil deeds. Your deeds determine your faith if you believe Jesus or not.

Romans 2:6, 7, 9
God will render to every man according to his deeds. To them who by patient continuance in well "doing" seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life. But unto them that are contentious, and "do not obey" the truth, but "obey unrighteousness," indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

A man's belief is shown through their actions. Adam's unbelief was shown through his disobedient works. Noah's faith was seen through his obedience of works. Abraham's faith was seen through his obedience of works. Israel's was concluded not to have faith because of their disobedient actions (Deu. 32:20).

If a believer does not follow the Shepard, which is the Holy Ghost, God will not force that man to follow. The Spirit does not force the follower, the Spirit "leads" the follower. If the follower stops following the Spirit they will be chasten. If that doesn't work God will give a believer over. God didn't "make" the Jews follow and listen to Jesus, they had a choice.

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Jesus offered for people to follow Him, He didn't make them.

Matthew 4:19
And Jesus saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

Mark 8:34
And when Jesus had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever "will" come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

If a person chooses to follow Jesus it's by their own choice. They choose to consent to every commandment Jesus commands of them. If they believe in Jesus they will follow, if they don't they will not.

John 15:12
This is my commandment, That you love one another, as I have loved you.

John 15:14
You are my friends, if you do whatsoever I command you.

If Jesus is not your friend it's because you are not His friend and chose not to obey Him by doing what He commanded you and because you don't believe the word of the Promise. The condition is "If (conditionally) you do what He commands you

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that "do God's commandments", that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

I find that when I surrender from doing the best I can and rely on Him all the time to help me to follow Him, I get to know Him and the power of His resurrection when I see myself following Him when I trust Him to help me to do it; not by any former commitment, promises, pledges, or covenant I had made, but because of the New Covenant He has made with us and that is why I can rest in Him as my Saviour that I am saved for simply believing in Him and since I have been reconciled to God thru Jesus Christ, I find myself resting in Him as my Good Shepherd to help me to follow Him because that is where my confidence is placed in; not in myself, but in Jesus Christ the Lord.

So I find myself as His friend when I trust Him as my Friend that He will help me to follow Him and walk in the light.

I had been saved since I was a tot, but because I was not rooted in the word, I had been led astray by the world, by the religious christians that later compromised with social values, by my infirmity in the flesh when I hit puberty, and almost led astray by the holy laughter movement and so many other briers and thorns of the cares of this life that nobody came to my rescue but Jesus Christ the Lord. He pruned me and pulled me out of the mire. He is also keeping me. He is my Friend because He is keeping me as His friend.

All I can say is in regards to your unfruitful works, give it to Jesus and see what He can help you to do in putting away the weights and thereby the unfruitful works so you can bear more fruit than you are already; John 15:2 KJV

 

[regibassman57]

JesusIs4Me,
A believer surrenders when they are obedient to God’s words. I sent you the scripture that said, Jesus is your friend if you do what He commands you (Joh. 15:14). And I sent you the scripture that said, they that do Jesus’ commandments have legal right to the tree of life so if you are not obedient, you will not have life (Rev. 22:14). It doesn’t sound like you know the power you already possess in Christ. Paul has already told us, “the Gospel is the power of God unto Salvation (Rom. 1:16). If you obey the Gospel you have the promise of Salvation and if you’re not obedient the wrath of God abides on you (Rom. 1:18). If you have the truth of God and do not use it and hide it you are an unprofitable servant of unbelief. If you do not understand something in God’ word the bible tells you to pray for the understanding, but you have to walk it out in obedience. If you don’t believe Christ has already given you the power you will lose because you don’t believe. You have been blessed with “all” spiritual blessings. You have no excuse in saying, “I needed help.” You just choose not to believe. Yes, Jesus will help you with understanding His word, but He told you to exercise Godliness (1Ti. 4:7,8). Jesus told you tribulations work patience (Rom. 5:3).

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

If you say you believe you will do what He tells you and keep His commandment. Without knowing Christ, you cannot love Him.

1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, "if we keep his commandments."

1Jo 2:4 He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, "is a liar," and the truth is not in him.

1Jo 2:5 But whoso keeps his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

You said:
“He is my Friend because He is keeping me as His friend.”

This is the problem. You read exactly what Jesus said in John 15:14, and then you completely rejected what He said willfully contradicted His word and saying what you think. This is what the Jews did (Mar. 7:9).

Joh 15:14 “You are my friends,” “if” (conditionally) “you do whatsoever I “COMMAND” you.”

You said: All I can say is in regards to your unfruitful works, give it to Jesus and see what He can help you to do in putting away the weights and thereby the unfruitful works so you can bear more fruit than you are already; John 15:2 KJV

Well, I thank you but I know you don’t understand “unfruitful works” by your comment. I can’t give Jesus something I don’t have. If I had “sin” I can ask Jesus to forgive me, but I don’t because He purge “all” my sins on the cross (Heb.1:3).

 

[this human]

Hebrews 4:3, 4:9-10, Philippians 2:13.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

JesusIs4Me,
A believer surrenders when they are obedient to God’s words. I sent you the scripture that said, Jesus is your friend if you do what He commands you (Joh. 15:14).

In the context of that verse, did Jesus say what His commandments are? You would think He would cite the law of Moses, but He did not; He cited the commandment to love one another repeatedly; hence that is the "commandments" He was talking about in being His friends as well as bearing fruit as His disciples.

And I sent you the scripture that said, they that do Jesus’ commandments have legal right to the tree of life so if you are not obedient, you will not have life (Rev. 22:14).

But that portion of Revelation regarding the tree of life are those that are not a part of the first fruit of the resurrection where they are changed to be like the angels that never die that will meet the Lord in the air to be forever with the Lord.

You have to wonder if by believing in Jesus Christ, we have eternal life, then why the need for the tree of life? Because it was for the generations coming out of the millennium reign of Christ since they cannot be saved by faith in Jesus Christ when they have been seeing the King of kings. Apparently, when Satan is let out of the pit after a thousand years, he will somehow draw some of that generations that came out of the millennium reign to rebel with him against the Lord in spite of having lived the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. So when you apply that portion of scripture in Revelation, you have to ascertain what that tree of life is for as well as who it is for.

It doesn’t sound like you know the power you already possess in Christ. Paul has already told us, “the Gospel is the power of God unto Salvation (Rom. 1:16). If you obey the Gospel you have the promise of Salvation and if you’re not obedient the wrath of God abides on you (Rom. 1:18).

I believe in Jesus Christ as my Saviour; I learned later on in life how I am supposed to trust as in believe in Jesus Christ to actually be my Good Shepherd as He was the only One that got me to understand His words to follow Him by faith alone.

If you have the truth of God and do not use it and hide it you are an unprofitable servant of unbelief.

I understand that.

If you do not understand something in God’ word the bible tells you to pray for the understanding, but you have to walk it out in obedience. If you don’t believe Christ has already given you the power you will lose because you don’t believe. You have been blessed with “all” spiritual blessings. You have no excuse in saying, “I needed help.” You just choose not to believe. Yes, Jesus will help you with understanding His word, but He told you to exercise Godliness (1Ti. 4:7,8). Jesus told you tribulations work patience (Rom. 5:3).

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

If you say you believe you will do what He tells you and keep His commandment. Without knowing Christ, you cannot love Him.

1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, "if we keep his commandments."

1Jo 2:4 He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, "is a liar," and the truth is not in him.

1Jo 2:5 But whoso keeps his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Let's keep that in context brother for what commandment He is talking about, okay?

1 John 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. 8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. 9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

If I told you that 1 John 3:23 is all you need to do in keeping His commandments for abiding in Him, what would you say? Is that not the context of the message around that verse?

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

So #1 believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and #2 love one another is all we need to do for abiding in Him. That is somewhat different but yet mirrors the 2 greatest commandments under the Old Covenant.

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

You said:
“He is my Friend because He is keeping me as His friend.”

This is the problem. You read exactly what Jesus said in John 15:14, and then you completely rejected what He said willfully contradicted His word and saying what you think. This is what the Jews did (Mar. 7:9).

Joh 15:14 “You are my friends,” “if” (conditionally) “you do whatsoever I “COMMAND” you.”

You said: All I can say is in regards to your unfruitful works, give it to Jesus and see what He can help you to do in putting away the weights and thereby the unfruitful works so you can bear more fruit than you are already; John 15:2 KJV

Well, I thank you but I know you don’t understand “unfruitful works” by your comment. I can’t give Jesus something I don’t have. If I had “sin” I can ask Jesus to forgive me, but I don’t because He purge “all” my sins on the cross (Heb.1:3).

The contention here between us is what His actual commandments are; you seem to see what? Every commandment He has given, but I see the 2 simplest commandments as covering them all because by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, not just as your Saviour, but as your Good Shepherd to help you to follow Him, I know He will give me the love I need to love even my enemies for abiding in Him. That is why it is written that the just shall live by faith in Him and all His promises to us rather than looking to yourself in keeping everything Jesus has taught when I am trusting Him to put the laws on my heart as guided by the 2 simplest commandments under the New Covenant; to believe in Him & to love one another.

 

[regibassman57]

@JesusIs4Me,

First let me say, as and if we post in the future, let’s bring down the volume of writing. I know it’s difficult to absorb everything written especially if the information is new or if not studied. The less information the easier it is to follow, reply and intake. We can have a better study if we narrow down what the points are we are trying to make. If you don’t understand something about a subject ask and I’ll do the same. But until then…

You said: In the context of that verse, “did Jesus say what His commandments are?” “You would think He would cite the law of Moses, but He did not; He cited the commandment to love one another repeatedly; hence that is the "commandments" He was talking about in being His friends as well as bearing fruit as His disciples.”

Yes, the context of John 15:14 is about the commandments of Love. The only commandments spoken of in Christ are the Ten Commandments and there are no greater commandments than these (Mar. 12:30, 31). Verse 15:9 and 10 initiates the context of 15:14.

Revelation 22:12 is talking about Jesus coming and putting an end to all things. This is why it states Jesus is the beginning and the ending. The Church of Christ is the New Israel of David and there is only one church. This is why Rev. 22:14 in correct and not talking about the millennium.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The tree in the midst of the city is in the “Kingdom of God” which is everlasting life; I don’t have to wonder because Christ told us. I don’t understand why you think those in the millennium cannot be saved by faith. The phrase, “just shall live by faith” is eternal.

You said you learned how to trust believing in Jesus to be your Good shepherd. A shepherd leads and the sheep follow the commands of the shepherd according to their own will. Christ will not make you follow.

You said: Let's keep that in context brother for what commandment He is talking about, okay?

You were talking about my use of 1John 2:3, 4. It was in the context of love as you confirmed. If you do not keep Christ commandments you do not know Him and cannot love Him.

You are confirming everything I spoke on. Love is what I talk about and love is not in word as you seem to think.

1Jo 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

You said: The contention here between us is what His actual commandments are; you seem to see what? Every commandment He has given, but I see the 2 simplest commandments as covering them all because by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, not just as your Saviour, but as your Good Shepherd to help you to follow Him,

Every commandment out of Christ mouth comes from His Father (Joh. 12:49), therefore they all matter. If a believer keep the “ten” they will fulfill all the law (Rom. 13:8-10). I don’t think you’ve read my posts.

You said: I know He will give me the love I need to love even my enemies for abiding in Him. That is why it is written that the just shall live by faith in Him and all His promises to us rather than looking to yourself in keeping everything

It doesn’t seem you believe God has “already” blessed you with all spiritual blessings (Eph. 1:3). That mean God has given you “all” spiritual power to love, to stand against the evil and anything else you need to have in this walk. The just shall live by believing what Christ has said and already given them. Believers are not waiting for Christ to give us anything in the spirit; we have all we need.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

@JesusIs4Me,

First let me say, as and if we post in the future, let’s bring down the volume of writing. I know it’s difficult to absorb everything written especially if the information is new or if not studied. The less information the easier it is to follow, reply and intake. We can have a better study if we narrow down what the points are we are trying to make. If you don’t understand something about a subject ask and I’ll do the same. But until then…

You said: In the context of that verse, “did Jesus say what His commandments are?” “You would think He would cite the law of Moses, but He did not; He cited the commandment to love one another repeatedly; hence that is the "commandments" He was talking about in being His friends as well as bearing fruit as His disciples.”

Yes, the context of John 15:14 is about the commandments of Love. The only commandments spoken of in Christ are the Ten Commandments and there are no greater commandments than these (Mar. 12:30, 31). Verse 15:9 and 10 initiates the context of 15:14.

In the context of the point of John 15:14, being about the commandments of love, it is hardly reaffirming the Ten Commandments as far as that goes. One can attest to the 2 greatest commandments of the Old Covenant in comparing with the New Covenant without referring to specifically the Ten Commandments.

As it is, I denounce that Jesus was referring to the actual Ten Commandments because Matthew 12:1-7 cites Him being Lord of the sabbath for why we are guiltless for profaning the sabbath day, therefore His commandments to keep the law of Moses as in the sabbath day, was never His commandments under the New Covenant. Indeed, His commandments are so much higher than the Ten Commandments that it is only to prove and show that only God can do this in us and for us.

Revelation 22:12 is talking about Jesus coming and putting an end to all things. This is why it states Jesus is the beginning and the ending. The Church of Christ is the New Israel of David and there is only one church. This is why Rev. 22:14 in correct and not talking about the millennium.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

There is only One Church with Christ the Head but Revelation cites 7 different kinds of Churches whereby 5 in need of repentance or else be cast into the bed of the great tribulation while 2 are exhorted to hold fast; so there never going to be one true Church like the Catholics have been trying to pay claim to and the same will be for any Protestant church. So if you were thinking of leading into that one Church being obedient to the Torah, that has never been a mark of identity in any of the 7 Churches in Revelation, if you note. Oh, I am sure you can find a verse here or there, but being obedient to the Torah has never been praised or referred to for any of the 5 Churches in error or the 2 Churches abiding in Him.

Since there are so many churches not known for being obedient to the Torah, we have to discern why God never made that point in even one of the 5 errant churches in Revelation, and I say because that is not our identity to the world.

The tree in the midst of the city is in the “Kingdom of God” which is everlasting life; I don’t have to wonder because Christ told us. I don’t understand why you think those in the millennium cannot be saved by faith. The phrase, “just shall live by faith” is eternal.

You said you learned how to trust believing in Jesus to be your Good shepherd. A shepherd leads and the sheep follow the commands of the shepherd according to their own will. Christ will not make you follow.

You said: Let's keep that in context brother for what commandment He is talking about, okay?

You were talking about my use of 1John 2:3, 4. It was in the context of love as you confirmed. If you do not keep Christ commandments you do not know Him and cannot love Him.

You are confirming everything I spoke on. Love is what I talk about and love is not in word as you seem to think.

1Jo 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

You said: The contention here between us is what His actual commandments are; you seem to see what? Every commandment He has given, but I see the 2 simplest commandments as covering them all because by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, not just as your Saviour, but as your Good Shepherd to help you to follow Him,

Every commandment out of Christ mouth comes from His Father (Joh. 12:49), therefore they all matter. If a believer keep the “ten” they will fulfill all the law (Rom. 13:8-10). I don’t think you’ve read my posts.

You said: I know He will give me the love I need to love even my enemies for abiding in Him. That is why it is written that the just shall live by faith in Him and all His promises to us rather than looking to yourself in keeping everything

It doesn’t seem you believe God has “already” blessed you with all spiritual blessings (Eph. 1:3). That mean God has given you “all” spiritual power to love, to stand against the evil and anything else you need to have in this walk. The just shall live by believing what Christ has said and already given them. Believers are not waiting for Christ to give us anything in the spirit; we have all we need.

I know I am not perfect yet, but from what I know of His words, scripture do reprove the hype campaign you seem to be involved in about obeying the Torah. That is not our focus. We are to live by faith in Jesus Christ & all His promises to us.

 

[regibassman57]

@JesusIs4Me,

You said: In the context of the point of John 15:14, being about the commandments of love, it is hardly reaffirming the Ten Commandments as far as that goes. One can attest to the 2 greatest commandments of the Old Covenant in comparing with the New Covenant without referring to specifically the Ten Commandments.

Jesus said:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to “observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you”: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another hath fulfilled the law.

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shall not commit adultery, Thou shall not kill, Thou shall not steal, Thou shall not bear false witness, Thou shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself.

Rom 13:10 Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that “we walk after Jesus commandments.” This is the commandment, that, as “you have heard from the beginning,” you should walk in it.

The commandments Jesus spoke to John and the disciples were the “Ten Commandments” exhorting them if they desire to obtain Eternal Life.

Luk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

Luk 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how read thou?

Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.

Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: “THIS DO, AND YOU SHALL LIVE.

If they do not “DO” this they will not inherit Eternal Life.

You said: I know I am not perfect yet, but from what I know of His words, scripture do reprove the hype campaign you seem to be involved in about obeying the Torah. That is not our focus. We are to live by faith in Jesus Christ & all His promises to us.

You must not have followed my conversation with Bibleguy, I’m not a Jew neither do I follow the Torah. You talk about “love” but your implied comments are not of Love. A believers focus is exactly what Luke 10:25-18 states. You will not see life if you think your word of faith is sufficient without works of obedience.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

@JesusIs4Me,

You said: In the context of the point of John 15:14, being about the commandments of love, it is hardly reaffirming the Ten Commandments as far as that goes. One can attest to the 2 greatest commandments of the Old Covenant in comparing with the New Covenant without referring to specifically the Ten Commandments.

Jesus said:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to “observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you”: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another hath fulfilled the law.

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shall not commit adultery, Thou shall not kill, Thou shall not steal, Thou shall not bear false witness, Thou shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself.

Rom 13:10 Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that “we walk after Jesus commandments.” This is the commandment, that, as “you have heard from the beginning,” you should walk in it.

The commandments Jesus spoke to John and the disciples were the “Ten Commandments” exhorting them if they desire to obtain Eternal Life.

Can you quote Him citing the Ten Commandments specifically? I have a problem seeing that as referring to when citing His commandments when we are not required to keep the sabbath day any more for He is in us for why we are guiltless.

I have seen verses where He cites some of them, but we need to read it in the context for what He is citing them for and not just say the Ten Commandments are for us to keep when obviously we do not have to keep the sabbath.

Luk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

Luk 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how read thou?

Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.

Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: “THIS DO, AND YOU SHALL LIVE.

If they do not “DO” this they will not inherit Eternal Life.

He was talking to a lawyer. You left out that verse.

Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

Then you left out the verse where obviously, that lawyer wasn't about keeping those two laws.

Luke 10:29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

Jesus went on about the good Samaritan as it was Jewish prejudices that causes Jews to avoid the Samaritans even when to do good unto them when they needed it.

It is much the same as what the young rich ruler had asked; seeking eternal life by keeping the law. In following Jesus, he could not give up everything he has ..., so you have to look at His answer which was given to religious zealots that could not really obtain salvation by their merits. See? That was why we needed Jesus Christ our Saviour to give us eternal life without the law. It is a free gift for all those that come to & believe in Him that children are free to come to him to be saved too.

You said: I know I am not perfect yet, but from what I know of His words, scripture do reprove the hype campaign you seem to be involved in about obeying the Torah. That is not our focus. We are to live by faith in Jesus Christ & all His promises to us.

You must not have followed my conversation with Bibleguy, I’m not a Jew neither do I follow the Torah. You talk about “love” but your implied comments are not of Love. A believers focus is exactly what Luke 10:25-18 states. You will not see life if you think your word of faith is sufficient without works of obedience.

Well, I apologize for confusing you two when the Ten Commandments is pretty much part of the Torah, but as it is, how do you defend your faith in Jesus Christ when you look to yourself in keeping the Ten Commandments against those who claim to keep the Torah do?

How can you claim you are keeping the Ten Commandments when you can't keep the sabbath day the way God intended it to be kept in light of the Ten Commandments under the Old Covenant when Jews are to stone to death other Jews for violating the sabbath day which is also a part of keeping that sabbath day commandment?

Now if you believe the way I do that you are guiltless for profaning the sabbath day because Jesus Christ is in you and is with you always, then is it not a false witness to say you are keeping the Ten Commandments when you are really not?

 

[regibassman57]

@JesusIs4Me,

Jesus didn’t quote the complete Ten Commandments because He summarized them. The Spirit of God never quoted the complete Ten Commandments either but He summarized them also. The summarization is also in the Old Testament, it’s not only in the new. This is the confirmation.

Deu 6:5 And you shall love the LORD thy God with all your heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Lev 19:18 Thou shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.

It doesn’t matter who Jesus was talking to. The same question the lawyer asked is the same question the rich young ruler asked. The confirmation is what Jesus said. Out of the mouths of two or three witnesses every word is established. The reason the Ten Commandments are so important is they teach actions and thoughts of how to love and what love is not.

The rich young ruler’s love for the things of the world had nothing to do with Christ’s answer to him. Jesus was teaching him how to love. If Jesus tells you to sell what you have and you can’t, it shows you love the things of the world more than Christ. This had everything to do with what Christ spoke to him about how to love. Jesus said, if you love me keep my commandments; and it doesn't matter what commandments He speaks of. Jesus said the words I speak unto you are spirit and they are life (Joh. 6:63). Jesus is the word of God (the law) made flesh (Joh.1:14). Jesus is the Ten Commandments in the flesh.

Jesus is Eternal Life and every word that Jesus speaks is pertaining to life. This is why Jesus through the Spirit said, He is the author of Eternal Salvation to all that obey Him (Heb. 5:9). It has nothing to do with the written Law; it has only to do with the word of life.

God didn’t chasten David when he was hungry and entered the temple and ate of the showbread. Yes, Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath; but we are not keeping the Sabbath on one particular day, we keep the Sabbath daily. The Ceremonial Law Christ crucified on the cross (Eph. 2;15). Most believers are not keeping the Ten Commandments perfectly, but God is not telling us we need to. We are told to love 30%, 60% or 100%. But God has shown us we can keep the Ten Commandments 100%.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

@JesusIs4Me,

Jesus didn’t quote the complete Ten Commandments because He summarized them. The Spirit of God never quoted the complete Ten Commandments either but He summarized them also. The summarization is also in the Old Testament, it’s not only in the new. This is the confirmation.

Deu 6:5 And you shall love the LORD thy God with all your heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Lev 19:18 Thou shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.

It doesn’t matter who Jesus was talking to. The same question the lawyer asked is the same question the rich young ruler asked. The confirmation is what Jesus said. Out of the mouths of two or three witnesses every word is established. The reason the Ten Commandments are so important is they teach actions and thoughts of how to love and what love is not.

The rich young ruler’s love for the things of the world had nothing to do with Christ’s answer to him. Jesus was teaching him how to love. If Jesus tells you to sell what you have and you can’t, it shows you love the things of the world more than Christ. This had everything to do with what Christ spoke to him about how to love. Jesus said, if you love me keep my commandments; and it doesn't matter what commandments He speaks of. Jesus said the words I speak unto you are spirit and they are life (Joh. 6:63). Jesus is the word of God (the law) made flesh (Joh.1:14). Jesus is the Ten Commandments in the flesh.

Jesus is Eternal Life and every word that Jesus speaks is pertaining to life. This is why Jesus through the Spirit said, He is the author of Eternal Salvation to all that obey Him (Heb. 5:9). It has nothing to do with the written Law; it has only to do with the word of life.

God didn’t chasten David when he was hungry and entered the temple and ate of the showbread. Yes, Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath; but we are not keeping the Sabbath on one particular day, we keep the Sabbath daily. The Ceremonial Law Christ crucified on the cross (Eph. 2;15). Most believers are not keeping the Ten Commandments perfectly, but God is not telling us we need to. We are told to love 30%, 60% or 100%. But God has shown us we can keep the Ten Commandments 100%.

You are not consistent in what you are saying.

It is obvious that the Lord is not causing the increase in either of our exchanges like iron sharpens iron is supposed to do.

We will have to agree to disagree and break discussion as I hope the Lord Jesus Christ will cause the increase later on in your walk with Him as I continue to hope in Him to keep me abiding in Him as I rest in Him for all things. Good night, brother.

 

[regibassman57]

JesusIs4Me,

Well, if I’m inconsistent you should be able to point out my inconsistencies. What am I inconsistent in saying? Maybe you should ask in love what I mean about something instead of saying I’m inconsistent.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Most believers are not keeping the Ten Commandments perfectly, but God is not telling us we need to. We are told to love 30%, 60% or 100%. But God has shown us we can keep the Ten Commandments 100%.

This is inconsistent and confusing.

 

[regibassman57]

JesusIs4Me,
What is inconsistent about what i've said?

 

[JesusIs4Me]

JesusIs4Me,
What is inconsistent about what i've said?

You said "Most believers are not keeping the Ten Commandments perfectly, but God is not telling us we need to. We are told to love 30%, 60% or 100%. But God has shown us we can keep the Ten Commandments 100%. "

That is inconsistent and confusing to me. You may understand what you are saying, but I don't.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

JesusIs4Me,
What is inconsistent about what i've said?

Like faith... you love or you don't. There is no percentage.

You try to relate keeping the Ten Commandments to loving others but I would rather just refer to the second of the 2 commandments and just love others as cited in 1 John 3:23 KJV

At any rate, we agree to disagree, right?

You believe a believer's commitment is okay to make and keep religiously whereas I say in opposition that keeping the faith in Jesus Christ is the good fight and the only way to live that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ that He is my Good Shepherd and He will help me to follow Him so I can rest in Him for everything.

 

[regibassman57]

JesusIs4Me,

For instance, under the Mosaic Law, Israel was told to keep the whole law; if they didn’t they were guilty of all the law.

Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

God is not commanding this of the New Covenant believers. God has given us an example of what He expects of New Covenant believers who has received His word into their heart.

Mat 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that hears the word, and understands it; which also bears fruit, and brings forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

30%, 60% and 100% fruit is what is acceptable to God. Anything less than 30% the believer is unfruitful and considered tares (used of Satan) in the body of Christ. Meaning they are underdeveloped because they chose not to use their faith in developing in Christ, but they chose the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life instead of Christ love.

 

[regibassman57]

JesusIs4Me,
You must understand the Fruit of the Spirit is the Character of Christ. This is what a believer must develop in themselve. The 30%, 60% and 100% are degrees as God speaks of. It also is and example. God is not saying if you bring forth 35%, 85% or 90% there a problem. Anything between 30% and 100% the believer is good.

Eph 4:22 That you put off concerning the former behavior the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that you put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

This is the believers responsibility.

 

[regibassman57]

JesusIs4Me,

Just like the rich young ruler; Jesus told him go sell all you have and you shall have treasure in Heaven. If the rich young ruler chose his riches, he would be left behind. The whole point of him bringing the conversation to Christ is to know what Christ thought.

The treasure in Heaven is Eternal Life itself. The rich young ruler knew what he was asking; that’s why he said “what must “I do” to "INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE". Jesus answered him perfectly and correctly. But then the ruler said “WHICH” commandments? Jesus explained to him what the law in Leviticus and Deuteronomy said; which were the summarized Ten Commandments. These are the laws of love.