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So a name that is written in God’s book of life is NOT permanent! And if that is the case, salvation is NOT permanent! God tells us the one thing that will cause a name to be removed is the breaking of His laws, or SIN!!!
then jesus does not save that is what you are saying.why should we belive in him if he does not save us?
 
exactly. Jesus only tasted death he didnt die permanetely.

Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

is Jesus dead? no He's alive , he merely tasted death for us and rose again.

Yes, Jari, I think that all of us realize that Jesus is alive for evermore. The question was, had he actually been dead in the first place? All the way? Wasn't he as dead as dead can get? You seem to be saying that Jesus could be resurrected without having actually been all the way dead and I'm not really sure that that is possible, Jari. Three days, when you're talking about death, is a long time.

When Jesus tasted death for all, he experienced it—full swing. When Hebrews 6 is referring to someone tasting of the heavenly gift and the Holy Ghost, it is referring to people that experienced them—full swing—but they did not continue in the Lord, just like Jesus didn't continue in death.


And if you try twisting things around again and re-wording my post for your own means, don't expect a response from me.

Your posts are becoming less and less intelligent. Your frustration is showing through pretty badly ( IMO ) and you seem to be resorting to nothing but mockery and belittlement, and that's not good. Perhaps you need a break.
 
And now you are introducing YOUR doctrine here.isn't that what you are doing?wasn't that what you were saying?

I can quote from scripture everything I have posted!

Where does it say in God's word what you claim here;

" If one dies without forgiveness of their sins their name vanishes out of the record book of life."


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3. You do not know if your name is in God’s books UNTIL the books are opened and your name is read. Rev.20:12,15




<DIR>Php 4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life. </DIR><DIR><DIR>Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.</DIR></DIR>can know now that they are saved, according to 1 John.


YES! As long as they endure until the end! God tells us that it IS possible for a righteous person to turn from his righteousness and end up dying in his sins;

Ezek.18
[24] But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
[26] When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.


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So a name that is written in God’s book of life is NOT permanent! And if that is the case, salvation is NOT permanent! God tells us the one thing that will cause a name to be removed is the breaking of His laws, or SIN!!!

then jesus does not save that is what you are saying.why should we belive in him if he does not save us?

Why did Jesus come? To shed His blood so that we could again have the right to eternal life.

Who did Jesus die for? EVERYBODY!

But will EVERYBODY be saved? NO!

Why will not everyone be saved if Jesus came to save? If that was His goal, then He failed!

Jesus came so that we would not have to shed our OWN blood for the remission of sins.

Now that He has done that do we continue in SIN?

NO!

Rom.6
[1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

And what is the ONLY action that will cause a name to be blotted out of God's books?

SIN!

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Yes, Jari, I think that all of us realize that Jesus is alive for evermore. The question was, had he actually been dead in the first place? All the way? Wasn't he as dead as dead can get? You seem to be saying that Jesus could be resurrected without having actually been all the way dead and I'm not really sure that that is possible, Jari. Three days, when you're talking about death, is a long time.

When Jesus tasted death for all, he experienced it—full swing. When Hebrews 6 is referring to someone tasting of the heavenly gift and the Holy Ghost, it is referring to people that experienced them—full swing—but they did not continue in the Lord, just like Jesus didn't continue in death.


And if you try twisting things around again and re-wording my post for your own means, don't expect a response from me.

Your posts are becoming less and less intelligent. Your frustration is showing through pretty badly ( IMO ) and you seem to be resorting to nothing but mockery and belittlement, and that's not good. Perhaps you need a break.

Stickz you can think what you want about me i dont care.

Yes ofcourse Jesus died like humans do. He is God but was in human body. the taste of death however means here, that Death couldnt hold him and he was resurrected. If He would still be dead it would be more than taste.

So i think its very clear what is meant by Jesus tasting death and people tasting heavenly things.



and like i responded to ecc the jews recrucified jesus for them self and this according to bible but him to "open shame". Now if you think that, there's nothing more likely in my opinion happenening here than jews being jews. instead of believing they behave like jews.

if you were to say that means born again people, you should explain what does recrucifying mean? and open shame? what is that? why its open shame?


Why you say i mock? your the one with personal insults in many of your posts. I havent ever mocked or insulted you.
 
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A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; as I have loved you"; "And this is His commandment, that ye should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He gave' commandment"; "And this commandment we have from Him, that he who loveth God love his brother also"; "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous."
 
Exod.32
[33] And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Ezek.18
[24] But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
[26] When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Has God changed ?

Can God change ?

The contract/covenant did change, the times have changed, the atmosphere on this earth have changed, but did God change ?

Didn't mean to interrupt, these questions are juggling in my head after reading those verses.

What an awesome God we serve, he gave us life, health, all senses and the luxury to communicate via web.
All glory and honor belong to Him.
 
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There is a doctrine where people believe once they profess with their mouth, believe with their heart and become baptized in the name of Jesus Christ they are saved and there is nothing they do that will cause them to loose their salvation. Well let’s use just a little common sense and a lot of scripture to see if their claim is actually supported by God’s holy word!


Who Gets in and Who Doesn’t

Let’s look at just a few scriptures and rely on God given common sense to see just how impossible the OSAS doctrine is. Let’s read who will enter God’s kingdom, when they find out, and how this information is revealed;


Rev.3
[5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev.21
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Now this is what we all look forward to; entering New Jerusalem and eternal life is the promise God says He will give to all that obey Him. Let’s continue;

[7] He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
[10] And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Now let’s read who inherits all things and is allowed to enter this city and who does not;

[27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

So to answer the questions, who, when and how;

Who is it that is able to enter into God’s kingdom? Those whose names are written in the book life!
When is this information given? At judgment day, when the saints finally overcome!
And how is it revealed? Through the reading of names out of God’s book of life

Now let’s read the fate of those whose names are not found written in God’s book of life;

Rev.17
[8] The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Rev.20
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

God’s word tells us ALL were judged based upon what was written in God’s books. Notice also they were judged according to their WORKS!!! No mention of faith… ( But that’s another lesson)


Let’s do a quick review;

1. God’s word tells us says ONLY those whose names are in His books will enter into His kingdom . Rev.21:27
2. Anyone who names are NOT found in God’s books will be cast into the lake of fire. Rev.20:15
3. You do not know if your name is in God’s books UNTIL the books are opened and your name is read. Rev.20:12,15

Now let’s turn for a moment to common sense to figure out another fact;

Can a person that has died change their fate? Before answering let’s quickly read the condition of the dead;

Eccl.9
[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
[6] Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun

So a dead person cannot change their fate once they die. Common sense right?With that said, a person that dies with their name written in God’s book of life WILL receive the promise of entering New Jerusalem and eternal life.

Think about it! To die with your name written in God’s book of life……can a person get any more saved than that? Of course not! But you do not truly, 100% know for sure if your name is written in God‘s books until your name is read. Let’s look at an example of some people, who Jesus tells us, THOUGHT their names were written in God’s books. They thought they were saved, but they find out much too late that is not the case.
Let’s read what Jesus had to say to some that THOUGHT they were saved at their death.

Matt.7
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Now let’s read what some of these well meaning people did…
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

First let’s understand just when, “That day” is! “That day” the Lord speaks of is Judgment day. Now if Jesus says this will happen, you can count on it happening. There are going to be some people, probably many, that will contest and argue with the Lord on “…that day…“ Now do you think the people arguing their case with the Lord are drug dealers, prostitutes or gang bangers? No! These are people that went to church every Sun. paid their tithes and did just what they told the Lord they did; they prophesied, cast out devils and did MANY wonderful works all in His name. Now why do you think they are contesting with the Lord? Because they truly believed they were saved and was doing the good works that was needed for salvation when they died! But what does Jesus tell them? Let’s read….

[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus tells them all of what they thought was right was in vain. Now they THOUGHT they were doing the will of God when they died! They truly BELIEVED they were saved when they died! That’s why they were pleading their case. Because someone told them what they were doing was right! Someone told them once they confessed and believed, that they were saved. Someone told them there was nothing that could change it. But what did they find out on “…..THAT DAY….“? They found out all of what they had done was in vain! Someone LIED to these people!

Let’s now read from Jesus own mouth what will give eternal life….

Matt.19
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
God says if you keep His commandments you will enter into life. Which? Jesus tells us;
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So even though those that were pleading their case to Jesus were prophesying, and casting out devils, and many other wonderful works in Jesus name, if they were not keeping His commandments Jesus tells us He never knew them and that they worked iniquity.

Now we know that a name MUST be in God’s book in order to have eternal life and enter into God’s kingdom. We know if a name is NOT in God’s books they will be tossed in the lake of fire. And we also know that once a person dies their fate cannot be changed. So either a name is in God’s book when a person dies or it is not! Salvation or the lake of fire will have been determined at death! Once you are dead that is it! If your name is not in God’s book at your death, the lake of fire is what you have to look forward to. Nothing changes!

But let’s look at another situation. Is it possible to have a name REMOVED from God‘s books once it is there? Is it actually possible for someone to do something that will cause them to loose their salvation? Let’s think about this for a second. What if it were possible for a persons name to be removed from God’s book and they died before their name is replaced? Can their name be placed BACK into God’s book once they are dead? Of course not. We just read in Eccl.9:5-6 that once you are dead your actions cease. So what is the fate of a person who‘s name is removed from the book of life and not replaced before they die? God’s lake of fire.

Now why would there be any mention of a name being removed from God’s book if it were not possible? Why would there even be a discussion about it in the bible? And if the topic came up why wouldn’t God correct it at some point in the bible letting us know that once a name is in God‘s books it cannot be removed? Let’s search God’s word to find if such a discussion was had.


Can a Name Really be Blotted Out of God’s Book

Let’s read a conversation Moses had with God after returning from receiving the commandments. What we are about to read is really a plea to God for the wrong the people had done;

Exod.32
[30] And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.
[31] And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.

Now let’s read Moses plea to the Lord;

[32] Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

Moses plea to God was that his name be removed from the book of life. Now did God say that was something that was not possible? Did God tell Moses once a name is in His book it cannot be removed? Did God correct Moses by saying once a name in His book it is permanent? On the contrary! Let’s read what thus said the Lord;

[33] And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Notice God did not say it was impossible for a name to be removed. He did not go on to tell Moses once a name is in my book it is permanent. God did not say once your name is saved in His books that was it and nothing could be done to reverse it! Nor did God correct Moses on the spot! No! God said none of those things. He said quite the opposite! Let’s read again the answer God gave Moses concerning names in His book,

“…Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”.

Can God be any clearer on the subject? And what did God say about His book and the fate of those whose names are not in His book;

“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” Rev.20:15

Now I know this was spoken in the OT and some may think it was only for those of that age, so let’s search God’s word to see if someone other than an OT figure spoke of blotting names out of God’s book of life. Let’s read if a name can be removed later on in the future.

Rev.3
[5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Jesus tells us those that overcome will be clothed in white raiment. And at what time will those that are found worthy be clothed with white raiment? At His coming! Jesus then tells us those that are clothed with raiment will NOT be blotted out of God’s book of! And what of those who did not receive white raiment? The only other place for them will be God’s lake of fire.

So is it possible for a name to be removed from God’s book of life! God’s holy word tells us Yes! “Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

And what is it that will cause a name to be removed? Sin!!!

And what does God say sin is?

“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”

So a name that is written in God’s book of life is NOT permanent! And if that is the case, salvation is NOT permanent! God tells us the one thing that will cause a name to be removed is the breaking of His laws, or SIN!!!

A name is either IN God’s books or NOT! The choice is yours based on your actions; based upon your WORKS! “…and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.”

Now let’s get back to using common sense for a moment. If breaking God’s laws causes one to have their name removed from His book of life, what is it that will ensure a name stays in God’s books? That’s right………..! Common sense tells us the answer!

Now I’m sure there will be some that try to refute all of this by quoting a lot different scriptures, mostly from the writings of Paul, or choose not believe any of it at all, but the fact of the scriptures remain; God’s holy word tells us….

A NAME CAN BE REMOVED FROM GOD’S BOOK OF LIFE!!

And if your name is not in God’s book of life before you die you will NOT enter into His kingdom. When will you know for sure? When will you be able to say without a shadow of a doubt that you are truly saved? When your name is read. Now let’s read some other scriptures that further support what we have just read.


My God IS a Mighty Fair God

Ezek.18
[20] The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Now we know what a sinner is. It is one that breaks the laws of God, which, according to God's inspired word, ALL have done. And the scriptures says he that sinneth shall die. Understand the death spoken of here is the second death. Now let's read what happens if the sinner turns from his ways, and stops breaking God's laws, or stop sinning;

[21] But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

[22] All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

So the sinner can change his fate, as long as he is alive that is. If he stops breaking Gods laws none of his transgressions will even be mentioned.

Now let's see if there is a flip side to this. Let's read what happens to the righteous when they stop keeping God’s laws;

[24] But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

So all of the good things a righteous person does can be wiped away and counted for nothing if he begins to sin again. And does he have the chance to redeem himself? Let's read;

[26] When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

In other words, when the righteous turns away from doing that which he knows is right he is no longer a righteous man; this man is now a sinner. And if he continues to sin and dies in his sins, then his fate will be the fate of a sinner; dying the second death of the lake of fire.

This goes hand in hand with what God told Moses;

“Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”

Gods ways are fair and equal for both the sinner and the righteous, just as He says in His word. We do serve a fair God!

Now some may want to still believe that they know they are saved, and once they are, they always will be and there is nothing that can change that. But let's read some more verses to see if this way of thinking should be one to adapt.

Let's read what Paul had to say about the possibility of him NOT making it into God's kingdom;

1Cor.9
[27] But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

So even Paul realized that it was possible for him to blow the mission and miss the mark, if he did not keep his body under subjection. Let’s read how Paul describes how hard it is for him to do that which he knows is right;

Rom.7
[18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[19] For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

We find even Paul struggling with his flesh to do that which is right. There are times when he knows to do good, the will to do good is there, but he does wrong. He tells us the wrong that he does not want to do, that he does. Now what do you think Paul’s fate would be if he stopped struggling, gave in, and continued in sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth and after being made a partaker of the Holy Ghost?

Let’s let Paul tell us through the scriptures what his and anyone else fate will be if they stop doing that which they know is right and gave in to sin……

Heb.10
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Paul tells us if we sin willfully after having receiving the knowledge of the truth there is no more sacrifice. Jesus died and shed His blood for us one time and one time only. The only thing that can remove the curse of the second death for breaking God’s laws is the shedding of blood; "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission." Heb.9:22. If we disgrace Jesus and reject His free gift, His blood, then God will take ours! And that is one trade you really do not want to make!

Jesus died for all of our PAST sins. If we continue to sin willfully, after coming into the knowledge of God’s word, the only thing that remains is, "...a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

God’s law says blood MUST be shed for the remission of sins. We can accept Jesus blood, which was the grace He gave as payment, or we can give ours; either way God is going to require someone’s blood. The gift is there for the taking....the choice is ours whether or not we will accept Jesus free gift.

Paul says it again here;

Heb.6
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[8] But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

What the scripture is saying is; For those that have been enlightened, tasted of the heavenly gift and partakers of the Holy Ghost, if any of these should fall away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance, since they have decided to attempt to crucify Christ again, and put what He did to shame, then your end shall be death.

Now if it were NOT possible for someone to fall away why would the Holy Spirit have Paul to write it? It was given as a warning. It was given to let us now once we have been enlightened and allowed to be partakers of the Holy Ghost not to go back to that old man and that old lifestyle. For God’s words tells us the fate of the righteous if they turn back and do that which is wrong and die in it; “When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.”


Conclusion

So there you have it. If a person dies and their name is in God’s book of life they will, “…inherit all things…”! For those that die, having done something to have their name removed, they will be, “…cast into the lake of fire…”!

God says these will be the ones who names are blotted out, “Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book;”

And this is what God tells us sin is; “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”

The sinner can stop sinning and receive eternal life;
“But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.”

The righteous can stop being righteous and start sinning and die the second death;
“But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.”

If you continue to sin after coming into the knowledge of God’s word there is no more sacrifice. Jesus is not going to die for you again;
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,”

Once you have been enlightened and choose to turn away from righteousness you cannot be renewed;
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame, But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned."

Nobody finds out until, “…the books were opened…” No one knows for sure until, “That day”

If a name that has been removed is not replaced before they die the lake of fire will be what they inherit!

Now is God a merciful and loving and longsuffering God? Yes He is. And do we not have an advocate sitting on His right side pleading our case to God, asking Him to forgive? Yes we do.

But God does have a limit to how much He will take!

“But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy.“ 2 Chr.36:16

God does have a limit to how many times He will send someone to give us wisdom, but instead we reject His true word and would rather believe a lie!
“And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thes.2:10-12

Now you can trust what some man has told you, saying once you are saved there is nothing that can change that. Then again you may choose to believe some other scriptures that better suits what you have been taught and dismiss all that you just read.

But God’s words do not lie!

“…Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”.

What does common sense tell you?

Once Saved Always Saved……just does not line up with God‘s word!

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Wow...that was long and hard to read.

I appologize and mean no disrespect, I think you mean well but, I have never seen a more inappropriate, out of context, use of scripture that absolutely proves nothing much less your "common sense" approach.

"OSAS does not line up with God's word", indeed.
Here is some that line up with it:

Romans 8:31-39 What then shall we say about these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 Indeed, he who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, freely give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is the one who will condemn? Christ is the one who died (and more than that, he was raised), who is at the right hand of God, and who also is interceding for us. 35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will trouble, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written, “ For your sake we encounter death all day long; we were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.” 37 No, in all these things we have complete victory through him who loved us! 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor heavenly rulers, nor things that are present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in creation will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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While God does not allow any outside sources to take His love away from us He does NOT prevent us from taking our love away from Him.

God tells us the even the righteous can turn away from Him and stop doing what is right;

Ezek.18
[24] But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

So all of the good things a righteous person does can be wiped away and counted for nothing if he begins to sin again. And does he have the chance to redeem himself? Let's read;

[26] When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

In other words, when the righteous turns away from doing that which he knows is right he is no longer a righteous man; this man is now a sinner. And if he continues to sin and dies in his sins, then his fate will be the fate of a sinner; dying the second death of the lake of fire.


And how do we stop showing our love to God?

1 John 2
[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5
[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.


By not keeping His commandments.


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While God does not allow any outside sources to take His love away from us He does NOT prevent us from taking our love away from Him.

God tells us the even the righteous can turn away from Him and stop doing what is right;

Ezek.18
[24] But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

So all of the good things a righteous person does can be wiped away and counted for nothing if he begins to sin again. And does he have the chance to redeem himself? Let's read;

[26] When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

In other words, when the righteous turns away from doing that which he knows is right he is no longer a righteous man; this man is now a sinner. And if he continues to sin and dies in his sins, then his fate will be the fate of a sinner; dying the second death of the lake of fire.


And how do we stop showing our love to God?

1 John 2
[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5
[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.


By not keeping His commandments.


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With no disrespect intended, your use of Ezek. 18 does not pertain or have anything to do with this discussion on OSAS.

Ezekial is Old Testament and Old Covenant Law ( requirements for Salavtion) and has no significance to us now, we live under God's new contract with us, the New Covenant of Grace!
 
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And are the requirments for a righteous person in the OT different from those of a NT righteous person? Does God make a distinction? Will not the samething that causes a NT righteous not to get into Gods kingdom be the samething for an OT righteous person?

Is not man to live by EVERY word of God? Is not Ekek.18 part of that EVERY word?

Ezek.18
[24] But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
[26] When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

So this righteous person that stops doing that which is right in the OT is different from a NT righteous person that stops doing right?


And what is in the old covenant that is not in the new?

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If you dont believe in Jesus as your savior then you will indeed die to your sins.
If Jesus would not have come to earth no one would enter heaven because "all have sinned and fall short in the glory of God".

thats why its impossible for us to save our self. Jesus had to paid our ransom.

If we think we can earn heaven by doing God's commandments and loving Him and stopping from sinning were very wrong. This was only for Jesus Him self possible, because He was God him self in human form. Tempted like we are yet without sin.

We cant be perfect however and its blood of Jesus that sanctifies us and it's faith in Jesus that starts the relationship with God that has been lost during our life time.

So we must believe in Jesus , all our effort does not bring us closer to God unless its done in Faith. Faith that God is rewarded of those who earnestly seek him and that God forgives and that thanks to Jesus alone and no one else we may enter in heaven.

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
 
And are the requirments for a righteous person in the OT different from those of a NT righteous person? Does God make a distinction? Will not the samething that causes a NT righteous not to get into Gods kingdom be the samething for an OT righteous person?

Is not man to live by EVERY word of God? Is not Ekek.18 part of that EVERY word?

Ezek.18
[24] But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
[26] When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

So this righteous person that stops doing that which is right in the OT is different from a NT righteous person that stops doing right?


And what is in the old covenant that is not in the new?

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And are the requirments for a righteous person in the OT different from those of a NT righteous person? Yes they are. Under the OT, you were righteous according to your works and deeds; under the NT your righteousness is not of your own but the righteousness of Jesus Christ. Does God make a distinction? Yes he does. The distinction is what I said above and that unlike the OT, in the New Testament, the greatestest distinction is God in us.Will not the samething that causes a NT righteous not to get into Gods kingdom be the samething for an OT righteous person? No it is totatlly different. The OT was the "LAw" and it could not save you, where as, in the NT you can be saved, have God living in you and belong to the Kingdom of God.

Is not man to live by EVERY word of God? Is not Ekek.18 part of that EVERY word? There is a distinct difference between the Old and New Covenant, of which I just pointed out!

So this righteous person that stops doing that which is right in the OT is different from a NT righteous person that stops doing right? Unequivocally and absolutely different, just like night and day.
Under the OT, righteousness was based a sacrifical and legal system that ended every year on the "Day of Atonement" and year after year.

Under the NT, it was done not by man but Jesus Christ and done one time and then he sat down because his work was finished and, we are saved not by our works but that of God; it is called Grace and it is a gift and therefore free.


And what is in the old covenant that is not in the new? Absolutely nothing!

What I am afraid that you have not been taught or understand is the difference between the 2 covenants.

A covenant is and agreement, contract and, the Bible even refers to it as a will. And like any of those, the most current superceeds the one before it, making the former null and void.
 
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So you claim that NOTHING that was in the first covenant is in the 2nd?


And what did God find wrong with the first covenant?


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So you claim that NOTHING that was in the first covenant is in the 2nd?


And what did God find wrong with the first covenant?


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So you claim that NOTHING that was in the first covenant is in the 2nd? As far as all the requirements as there were in the OLD, then the answer is nada..zilch!!
The point is that Jesus Christ fullfilled the law by ushering in it's replacement, the New Coventant of God in us and love and grace and therefore, made the Old obsolete!

Hebrews 8:13

<SUP id=en-NIV1984-30090 class=versenum>13</SUP> By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

And what did God find wrong with the first covenant

For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-30085 class=versenum>8</SUP> But God found fault with the people and said<SUP class=footnote value='[b]'>[b]</SUP>:
“The time is coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
<SUP id=en-NIV1984-30086 class=versenum>9</SUP> It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
<SUP id=en-NIV1984-30087 class=versenum>10</SUP> This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
<SUP id=en-NIV1984-30088 class=versenum>11</SUP> No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
<SUP id=en-NIV1984-30089 class=versenum>12</SUP> For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”<SUP class=footnote value='[c]'>[c]</SUP>


Actually, the law was perfect and holy but is in the first part of vs 8, it was the people that God actually find fault with but, make no mistake, this was a prophecy that came true and the old disapeared the instant that Jesus was resurrected and the New Covenant was ushered in.

Here is another explanation of this that help me a lot when I first discovered it:

God tells us essentially, for the law to work, we have to keep it perfectly 24/7...if we mess up with one part of the law, we failed all of it!

So, because of our imperfection, the law was not capable of saving us. So, he gave us a more perfect covenant....a gift called grace!
 
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Actually, the law was perfect and holy but is in the first part of vs 8, it was the people that God actually find fault with

God tells us essentially, for the law to work, we have to keep it perfectly 24/7...if we mess up with one part of the law, we failed all of it!


So, because of our imperfection, the law was not capable of saving us. So, he gave us a more perfect covenant....a gift called grace!

It was NOT God's laws or ANY part of the covenant that was at fault...as you said...the fault was with the people. And that is why God had to make a new covenant. The people broke the agreement...so there had to be a new agreement made.....and that is all. All of the requirements that were in the old covenant were a part of the new.

And how was the agreement made in the Old covenant? If you know that then you also know that it was made the SAME way with the new covenant.

Not one place will you EVER find that God tells us we MUST keep His laws PERFECTLY! NOT ONE!!

Do you know what the gift of grace was that Jesus gave us?

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It was NOT God's laws or ANY part of the covenant that was at fault...as you said...the fault was with the people. And that is why God had to make a new covenant. The people broke the agreement...so there had to be a new agreement made.....and that is all. All of the requirements that were in the old covenant were a part of the new.

And how was the agreement made in the Old covenant? If you know that then you also know that it was made the SAME way with the new covenant.

Not one place will you EVER find that God tells us we MUST keep His laws PERFECTLY! NOT ONE!!

Do you know what the gift of grace was that Jesus gave us?

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It was NOT God's laws or ANY part of the covenant that was at fault...as you said...the fault was with the people. And that is why God had to make a new covenant. The people broke the agreement...so there had to be a new agreement made.....and that is all. All of the requirements that were in the old covenant were a part of the new.
God is perfect and All knowing, he had no intention of them up holding the Law. The Law was never meant to saved but to show the people their sin.

And how was the agreement made in the Old covenant? If you know that then you also know that it was made the SAME way with the new covenant. The only similarity is that their is no forgiveness of sins with out the shedding of blood...thats where it ends for the shedding of the blood of bulls and goats was not a perfect sacrifice and had to be repeated year after year. The shedding Jesus blood was a perfect sacrifice and was done one time. Other than that , there is similarities.

Not one place will you EVER find that God tells us we MUST keep His laws PERFECTLY! NOT ONE!! OH yes there is, in the O T, if you broke the the Mosaic Law of working on the Sabbath, the penalty was death...I'd say that was a "Must Keep"!!
And, of course, under the New Covenant we are not under the law.


Do you know what the gift of grace was that Jesus gave us?

No it was a gift of God.
Ephesians 2:8
<SUP id=en-NIV1984-29222 class=versenum>8</SUP> For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
 
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Not one place will you EVER find that God tells us we MUST keep His laws PERFECTLY! NOT ONE!! OH yes there is, in the O T, if you broke the the Mosaic Law of working on the Sabbath, the penalty was death...I'd say that was a "Must Keep"!!
And, of course, under the New Covenant we are not under the law.

Let's try this again Where does it state that God says we are to keep HIs laws PERFECTLY!

The wages of sin is death! If we are to keep them perfectly there would be no alive...for all have sinned and come short!


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