Trinity Passages Can you spot the trinity in each?

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

do you have a flashlight/torch?
Tonight [or today if you have a dark enough place], go somewhere where it is dark.
Turn on your flashlight. [point it at a wall or ceiling or wherever, really]
you will see that area/place has light. You will see basically the light of the flashlight, on the wall.
Next, look between the flashlight and the wall [or where ever you point/direct it to].
Ask, can you see anything between the light on the wall and the flashlight?

Read John 1:1-18
Then continue the Gospel of John to the end.

He that has ears, let him hear
and he that has eyes, let him see.
[that goes for the she's, too]


Bless you ....><>

 

[Samson2020]

Now... @Samson2020 , are you happy with the short version of my reply? I am running out of time at present but i can try again. What you ask is something that i take seriously. that is, to 'expand my thoughts/thinking' , so thank you for reading this and i do apologize if it has made little or no sense and hasn't gone where you might have wanted it to.

No. And I do not mean to sound nasty or mean, but I was expecting more substance. It's one thing to have a doctrine, but another to be able to support that doctrine with scripture.

Let us be mindful of this. It was no mere bit of advice.
[perhaps have a slow look at 1Timothy Chapter 2 and see more in context. - in fact all of 2Timothy touches on some quite pertinent things for us all to remember, more often.

1 Tim 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ." Even using the suggested reading it's clear as can be there are 2. God is God
and Jesus is the mediator. How does God become his own mediator? What would be the point?

You see Adam was destined to fail for if he had not failed there would have been no need for Jesus to be the redeemer of mankind. But since He was foreordained before the founding of
the world, Adam had to fail. Gods plan. Jesus was made as a man in order to be under the law, God has not, nor ever will be under the law that he gave for man.
A man lost his place and all of ours in God and with God so that God could send Jesus to redeem man from death and make them alive again unto God. Thus the mediator.
Now God would have no problem fulfilling the law for he does not have the capacity to fail, however; since Jesus was make like unto his brethren, (men) he had the capacity to fail, but
obviously did not. A man failed, and it had to be a man, that just happened to be fathered by God himself, that did not fail.
Jesus was born of God who does not have a carnal mind and as the carnal mind is passed from father to child this is the difference in Jesus and the rest of us. He did however
receive that carnal mind in the garden prior to his death so that he would know what men had experienced all their lives which would make him a better intercessor for mankind.

Now if your looking at verse 3 "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4- Who will have ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and come unto the knowledge of the truth."

Verse 4 subject for a different thread.

Again we go to 5 and see there is only one God (True God), that being the Father, and there is one mediator that being the one and only begotten Son of the Father, Jesus.

And again we know that God is not a man, and that no man hath seen God at any time according to scripture. John 1:18, and 1 John 4:12 which both were written many years after the death
and resurrection of Jesus, who according to 1 Tim 2:5 was a man, and seen by multitudes of people.

It appears to me that the writer of 1 Tim 2 is giving God the Father credit for being the Savior, but he is not giving credit to Jesus in this case as he mentions Jesus as being the mediator.
We both know that Jesus is the Redeemer in the sense that He is the one who died for us all, but it is the Father who begat Him that initiated the process and brought Jesus' death as the
payment for sin to a conclusion. It's the chicken or egg which came first issue. Thus the Lamb of God, sent by God, was not God, but was as the books describe, Gods Son in the flesh.
Only a man can die, and as God is a Spirit He cannot die. Jesus as a man, in the flesh, could and did.
Who supplied the lambs without spot or blemish to be offered unto God in sacrifice? It was God who supplied all of them, including Jesus.

6- "Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
So here we see that Jesus gave himself as a ransom. To whom did He give himself? According to scripture the lamb that was slain was for forgiveness of the peoples sins in order to satisfy God
under the Mosaic law. Jesus who died as the last lamb was under that same Mosaic law until His death, which was a sacrifice unto God for the sin of the world. It was not God sacrificing
himself to himself, it was a man (Jesus), without spot or blemish, that was sacrificed.

I know that at times what we read can lead us to conclude things that may or may not be true, but the Bible is written in order to keep those out who do not yet have the right to consume
the spiritual food that is in it, for it is for the sons, children, elect of the Father. And the hidden manna within is for the overcomer only.

I suppose we can still agree to disagree and be at peace with one another, as the strange part of the topic is that each side believes they are trying to help the other. Kind of a tug of
war game, that in this case no one will win, for the game is to be continued until the day of judgement by design.

So be at peace with me for I mean no ill will toward you or anyone else who may read this, even though passion for the subject may appear aggressive at times.
It is love that we seek to become and must be careful we do not get sidetracked trying to bring along everyone else with us before we have become that. Otherwise we may never get there.

 

[Samson2020]

I would like to add just one more thing.

Jesus ascended into the heavenly realm to his Father on the day of His resurrection. John 20:17 And the same day in the evening He came back to the earth to be SEEN by many people especially
His disciples etc.... John 20:19 , and 8 days later came unto them again John 20:26

Now 1 John 4:12 states that "No man hath seen God at ANY TIME....." This passage was written near the end of the first century A.D., so roughly 65-70 years after Jesus was glorified.

So my only question to any who would give answer is how is it that Jesus being seen by multitudes, even after His resurrection, could in any way be the Father or some appendage of Him
as it is stated in 1 John 4:12 that NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME.?

Should this verse alone rule out Jesus as God. That is to say the only TRUE GOD as spoken by Jesus Himself in John 17:3 "And this is life eternal to know thee the only true God AND Jesus
Christ whom THOU HAST SENT."

 

[Br. Bear]

So be at peace with me for I mean no ill will toward you or anyone else who may read this, even though passion for the subject may appear aggressive at times.
It is love that we seek to become and must be careful we do not get sidetracked trying to bring along everyone else with us before we have become that. Otherwise we may never get there.

Grace and Peace


Thank you for your reply(s) @Samson2020

I will endeavor to get back some more.


Bless you ....><>

 

[only son]

In regard to the comment from ' Samson2020 '

This is something that has crossed my mind also, we find also the same - in John 1:18 that no one has seen God at any time.

Joh 1:18 θεον GOD - ουδεις NO ONE - εωρακεν HAS PERCIEVED - πωποτε AT ANY TIME - ο WHO - μονογενης THE ONLY BORN - υιος SON - ο WHO - ων EXISTS - εις INTO - τον THE - κολπον BOSOM - του OF THE - πατρος FATHER - εκεινος THE SAME - εξηγησατο HAS DECLARED


GOD - NO ONE - HAS PERCIEVED - AT ANY TIME - WHO - THE ONLY BORN - SON - WHO - EXISTS - INTO - THE - BOSOM - OF THE - FATHER - THE SAME - HAS DECLARED

Your question I believe is about how could Jesus possibly even be God if the scriptures state that no one has ever seen God.

Would you consider that - the answer to this question relies within the scriptures that explain that God is the Spirit Holy, The Father's identity is a Spirit and can not be seen with a human eye, how this relates to Jesus existing as a manifestation / MORPH of the eternal spirit is, that Jesus / Yahashua is The Anointing himself - meaning = the very Anointing of God was conceived as a man and CONCEIVED by the very Spirit Of God and this man became born and created in the morph of God.

The Greek word CHRIST means Anointing or Anointed - he was filled with the fullness and completely filled with all of the deity of the Holy Spirit Eternal physically - the Spirit of God was the very Spirit of Yahashua.

As Peter clearly says in 1Pe 1: “ CONCERNING THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY IN THE OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS “

The prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: :11 Searching what, or what manner of time “ THE SPIRIT OF THE ANOINTING / CHRIST “ WHICH WAS IN THEM - did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of THE ANOINTING / CHRIST :12 ... which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven..

We see clearly that the very same Spirit of Yahoshua himself, is The Same Anointing Spirit that had been previously sent to earth as THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROPHECY. – to the prophets in the Old testament..

This is the way that the manuscripts describe Jesus as being as you term " some appendage " of God - but not expressly as some appendage but rather a manifestation or attribute or MORPH of the invisible Spirit that is God

In the beginning was the word - the word was with God - the word was God - the word was made flesh.

The Bible is saying also that Jesus is the expressed image and audio and everything that we detect with our human senses that was send OUT OF GOD INTO THE EARTH and CHANGED, ALTERED and LOWERED and EMPTIED OF LITERAL EQUALITY AS GOD,, MORPHED into ( CHANGED ) into the morph or manifestation of God as a man.

Expressing God in human form. God changed and altered himself and became empty , void , vain to be of the existence as God in equality and adjusted himself MORPHING this form into flesh, as Yahashua.

Scriptures go on into further depth explaining how that somehow through a spiritual connection to Jesus , a sacrifice was made through the Eternal Spirit

Heb 9:14 * π* ο* σ* ω* HOW MUCH - μ* α* λ* λ* ο* ν* MORE - τ* ο* THE - α* ι* μ* α* BLOOD - τ* ο* υ* OF χ* ρ* ι* σ* τ* ο* υ* THE ANOINTING - ο* ς* WHO - δ* ι* α* THROUGH - π* ν* ε* υ* μ* α* τ* ο* ς* THE SPIRIT - α* ι* ω* ν* ι* ο* υ* ETERNAL - ε* α* υ* τ* ο* ν* HIMSELF - π* ρ* ο* σ* η* ν* ε* γ* κ* ε* ν* OFFERED - α* μ* ω* μ* ο* ν* WITHOUT BLAME - τ* ω* TO - θ* ε* ω* GOD - κ* α* θ* α* ρ* ι* ε* ι* CLEANSE - τ* η* ν* THE - σ* υ* ν* ε* ι* δ* η* σ* ι* ν* CONCIENCE - υ* μ* ω* ν* YOU α* π* ο* FROM - ν* ε* κ* ρ* ω* ν* DEAD - ε* ρ* γ* ω* ν* WORKS - ε* ι* ς* UNTO - τ* ο* THE - λ* α* τ* ρ* ε* υ* ε* ι* ν* WORSHIPING - θ* ε* ω* GOD - ζ* ω* ν* τ* ι* ALIVE


Heb 9:14* HOW MUCH MORE THE BLOOD OF THE ANOINTING WHO THROUGH THE SPIRIT ETERNAL HIMSELF OFFERED WITHOUT BLAME TO GOD, CLEANSE THE CONCIENCE YOU FROM DEAD WORKS, UNTO THE WORSHIPING GOD ALIVE


Act 20:28* Says that - The Holy Spirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church of GOD, WHICH HE HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.*
And - 1Pe 1:2* saying that ““ The foreknowledge God the Father, determined that
through the sanctification ““ OF THE SPIRIT ““ unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Yahoshua ““ The Anointing ““

Here in - 1Pe 1:2, The ““ SPIRIT OF GOD HIMSELF ““ - is being sanctified through Yahoshua and in Yahoshua and ““ AS in YAHOSHUA ““ GODS HOLY SPIRIT itself has been sanctified unto obedience and the blood of the Holy Spirit has been showered and sprinkled as Yahoshua himself - ““ The Anointing ““

And - 1Pe 3:18* ““ The Anointing ““ also hath once suffered for sins, to bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but living so as THE SPIRIT:

 

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How great is our God!

 

[Samson2020]

For GOD so loved the world, that He (GOD) gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For GOD sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.

He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of GOD.

Lets keep this simple.

God begat Jesus the day the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary.
It was this son of Mary and the Father that was sent into the world to save the world.

The word of God is the Plan of God thus the plan was to beget Jesus at this time in the history of man, accordingly Jesus was FOREORDAINED before the world was formed but was not
begotten until the overshadowing.

Now if the word of God says that GOD SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON into the world to save the world then thats exactly what was done. Jesus was not, and is not God, He is His Son.

I've said it a thousand times that GOD cannot die as He has life within Himself, but a man (Jesus) could and did die according to Gods plan for mans redemption.

The twisting of scripture to make it fit a narrative only destroys the doctrine that Jesus laid down for us all to follow and come to the same glorification that He was bestowed with
by His willing surrender to the Fathers will. That said, no man can surrender to the Fathers will except he be born again so as to see the kingdom, and pursue sonship, otherwise he still believes he is his own God and determines his own future. Thus still under condemnation.

 

[only son]

Hello - Samson2020

I completely understand what you are saying, yet as a Bible believer myself, I am not trying to explain or expound extra details on what I feel or think that the Bible is saying.

i am attempting to tell you what these manuscripts are saying word by word exactly as they are laid in the original Greek manuscript.

And by defining and giving you my best description of what the words relate to directly and how the passages corrilate to one another .

I do not have theories and doctrines and traditions

I simply quoting exactly what the manuscripts are saying and trying to say exactly as they say,

How about if you take a look at what I have up there from the manuscripts and you explain to me what they are meaning or saying, I have done my best to only present the manuscript message and not insert my own explanation,

Can you please explain what these manuscripts are saying that I have posted - are we are not agreeing that Yahashua was God manifested, morphed in the flesh and filled with the Spirit Holy ?

What do these verses mean ? -

what does it mean when Yahashua says that " I CAME OUT OF THE GOD " - I AM NOT OF THIS EARTH

What does it mean in - Php 2:6

Php 2:6 Who, being in the μ ο ρ φ η´ - morphe¯ _ morph of God, judged not taking existence equally God:

:7 But receiving himself EMPTY / VOID and receiving upon him the μ ο ρ φ η ´ - morphe¯ _ morph of a servant, and was made in the likeness of man:

Does not this mean that he was not previously in the likeness of man ? but in another morph before he was changed, lowered, altered and made empty and void and not in the manner of how he was in his previous pre existence

What do all of these passages mean ?

If he was not God - do you simply believe that he existed as simply a human who was a more powerful person before he was born of Mary and then was simply reincarnated from the past history ?

please teach me,.

 

[Samson2020]

what does it mean when Yahashua says that " I CAME OUT OF THE GOD " - I AM NOT OF THIS EARTH

Romans 11:36 For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to whom be glory forever. Amen.

As the above verse indicates ALL THINGS come out from God. This includes your spirit and mine and the Spirit of Jesus, which He states that He came from God and this agrees with 11:36
But we should note that He never says that He is God, He only states that He came out from God. Thus if He (Jesus) came out from God then He could not be God.
Now since the Father of the flesh of Jesus was God it follows that Jesus did not inherit a carnal mind which is the cause of the enmity between man and God. This explains why He was never
at odds with God and able to understand where He came from and what He was here to do. We on the other hand did inherit a carnal mind from our fleshly fathers so we do not know where
we came from unless we believe what the word of God says about where we came from, which is from God Himself.
Jesus tells us this is true when He quotes Psalms 82:6 "Is it not written in your law, I have said Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

If you read John 10:34-38 you should notice that Jesus is basically telling His audience that He, like them, came out from God and that if they could not believe this fact that they should
believe what He is saying by the works that were done by His hands as proof that the Father was IN HIM, but He was not the Father, He was just a Son of the Father of us ALL.

I really have a hard time understanding how someone who claims to be a Christian or believer in Jesus, assuming they really have the Holy Ghost baptism, does not understand
what occurred when God was in Jesus, as the exact same thing happens to the true Christian in that the things that we are given to communicate to others are just that, communications
from the Father that the Father carries out. We like Jesus are simply the messengers and it is God that makes the things He tells us to say come to reality. Just because we speak as we
are instructed to speak, just as Jesus was, does not make us God either.
This is not necessarily directed at you as I do not know you nor do I judge you.
But if you have heard His voice and been given things to say or do then you should know exactly what I'm speaking about. He confirms each person that is given the Holy Ghost with
healings for others, and now and then an unclean spirit to cast out, and possibly sending you to tell someone something that seems trivial but is exactly what that person needed to hear.
This is the same thing but on a much smaller scale that Jesus did.

Jesus, when baptized in the Holy Ghost, was GIVEN the Spirit without measure, thus He was equal with God as He had the fullness of God dwelling within Him Spiritually.

If he was not God - do you simply believe that he existed as simply a human who was a more powerful person before he was born of Mary and then was simply reincarnated from the past history ?

No.
Jesus was one of the spirits that comprised the creative power of God, He, just as you and I, were part of that spiritual group that God chose from within Himself to elevate to independent,
immortal beings that the word calls sons. Jesus was the first to complete the process and prove that it works and that God will do what He has promised to do. Son ship is the promise
of the Bible as an independent, immortal, spiritual being that is a full son of God. We know that when Jesus appears we shall see Him as He is for we shall be LIKE HIM. Well what is He?
And that is exactly what you shall one day be as well. Though He will always have the preeminent position as the Father has deemed Him more worthy than the rest of His brethren, and
I believe none of us have a problem with that. We are all what we are by the grace of God including Jesus.

You are close in that the authority that Jesus had prior to being made in the likeness of a man was pretty much endless in that God spoke and He as the commander of that group, made it
happen. However He was not reincarnated, He had to be made a man, once, and carry out the Fathers will in order to receive all power in Heaven and earth. That was just part of the process.
He like you was simply a spirit from the Father placed in an earthen vessel, thus a man. Though that spirit was foreordained before the world was created to be the Savior of mankind.
After all, He (Jesus) was PERFECTED BY THE THINGS HE SUFFERED, God did not need to be perfected as He is already perfect. And BEING PERFECTED HE BECAME THE AUTHOR
OF ETERNAL SALVATION........... One does not become what one already is, one evolves according to the grace of God into what God has ordained that that entity should become.

Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore PERFECT, even as YOUR FATHER which is in heaven IS PERFECT."
Now if Jesus is saying that God is already perfect in 5:48, how is it that Jesus could possibly be God and still need to learn obedience and be perfected? Hebrews 5:8-9

For your consideration.

 

[only son]

Again , thanks very much - Samson2020 it is a joy to write and answer to your post.


I would like to fully address and answer to everything you had written but first let’s look at the passages you mentioned and see what the original manuscripts say - exactly and what they do not say.

One of the many, many deceptions that Trinitarians have placed unto their false and perverted translation is especially in the way that they falsely many insert words in “ Italics ”

And - not that using italics is incorrectly translating the Bible from another language, ITALICS generally can be very very helpful.

But notice what the Trinitarians are doing in Psalms 82 verse :6

:6 I have said, Ye “ are “ gods;

Why do the Trinitarians use Italics to show what they claim already exists in the original Hebrew manuscripts ?
The reason is because the original does not say - “ “ Ye “ are “ gods “

And this is what Trinitarians do throughout much of the Bible, they make a great SHOW to make usage of Italics in most of the translation in a meaningful and useful and proper way to better explain what the text is indicating.
But they also use ITALICS to explain the perverted changes and alterations of what they have falsely placed into the translation.

This is very deceptive and also randomly and inconsistently creating a deceptive impression to propagate the idea that it is the “ Italics “ that are explaining the original message - when in fact it is the “ Italics “ that are explaining the way in which the Translators rendered the passage in their own words and explain the alterations and changes made in changing the word of God.

AND TO DECEIVE THE READER INTO CONCENTRATING ONLY UPON THE “ italics “ … … … …

… … … . themselves - as the only or the MAIN method in which translation was explained, by the adding and inserting of additional words.

In other words, the thousands of added and additional inserted words that are NOT in “ italics “ are inserted and the readers do not know where or how they relate to the original they only see the translators pretending to help the reader better understand .

When in fact these falsely translated passages are very, very simple and not complicated and using ITALICS was not necessary - but the translators deceive the reader into thinking that ITALICS were necessary, when in fact the Translators are using ITALICS to explain what they have changed and altered within the original message.
Unless you study the original manuscript and learn Hebrew and Greek - you will never know the original message - but then when you show how a single passage is mistranslated you have to go and prove all of the other related passages as also falsely translated because they purposefully mistranslated the entire Bible in a systematic method to force the Bible to conform and batch up with their false translations

It is a never ending battle folded in upon itself and multiplied and multi - dimensional.

Let’s look at exactly what the manuscripts say about Psa 82 and how this passage relates to the new testament.
Firstly, we notice in Exo 7:1 God is saying that his servant, Moses - is a god in some aspect to someone
WHO ARE GOD’S SERVANTS as gods unto ?

Exo 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh
The scriptures are indicating that God’s servants are literally gods unto the wicked.
Let’s read the passage in Psa 82: 1 - 8 and see how this is what God is saying

Psa 82:1 מזמור A PSALM - לאסף OF ASAPH,, - אלהים GOD - נצב STANDS - בעדת IN THE CONGERGATION - אל UNTO - בקרב THE MIDST - אלהים GOD - ישׁפט׃ JUDGES

A PSALM OF ASAPH GOD STANDS IN THE CONGERGATION UNTO THE MIDST GOD JUDGES

:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

:6 אני I - אמרתי SAID - אלהים GOD - אתם ARE THY - ובני SONS - עליון MOST HIGH - כלכם׃ OF ALL

:7 אכן TRULY - כאדם MAN - תמותון DIE AS - וכאחד ONE OF - השׂרים THE PRINCES תפלו׃ FALL

:8 קומה ARISE - אלהים GOD - שׁפטה JUDGE - הארץ THE EARTH - כי THAT - אתה YOU - תנחל WILL INHERIT - בכל ALL - הגוים׃ THE NATIONS

So here the passage is not as the Trinitarian Translators have proposed in the translation.

Especially verse : 6 - the Trinitarians change verse : 6 to say

Psa 82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

But the manuscripts say

:6 I - SAID - GOD - ARE THY - SONS - MOST HIGH - OF ALL
:6 אני I - אמרתי SAID - אלהים GOD - אתם ARE THY - ובני SONS - עליון MOST HIGH - כלכם׃ OF ALL

And here is the original again .

Psa 82:1 A PSALM - OF ASAPH,, - GOD - STANDS - IN THE CONGERGATION - UNTO - THE MIDST - GOD - JUDGES

:6 I - SAID - GOD - ARE THY - SONS - MOST HIGH - OF ALL
:7 TRULY - MAN - DIE AS - ONE OF - THE PRINCES - FALL
:8 ARISE - GOD - JUDGE - THE EARTH - THAT - YOU - WILL INHERIT - ALL - THE NATIONS

SO WHAT IS JESUS SAYING IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ABOUT GOD’S SERVANTS BEING CONSIDERED AS GOD’S ? ? ? ?
Let’s read from the manuscripts - Joh 10:34

Joh 10:34 απεκριθη ANSWERED - αυτοις THEM - ο HIM - ιησους JESUS - ουκ NOT - εστιν IT IS - γεγραμμενον WRITTEN - εν IN - τω THE - νομω LAW - υμων YOU - εγω I - ειπα SAID - θεοι GODS - εστε YOU - :35 ει THAT - εκεινους THOSE - ειπεν HE SAID - θεους GODS - προς UNTO - ους THEM - ο WHOM - λογος THE WORD - του OF - θεου GOD - εγενετο CAME TO PASS - και AND - ου ARE NOT - δυναται ABLE TO - λυθηναι BREAK - η THE - γραφη SCRIPTURES

Joh 10:34 ANSWERED - THEM - HIM - JESUS - NOT - IT IS - WRITTEN - IN - τω THE - LAW - YOU - I - SAID - GODS - YOU - :35 THAT - THOSE - HE SAID - GODS - UNTO - THEM - WHOM - THE WORD - OF - GOD - CAME TO PASS - AND - ARE NOT - ABLE TO - BREAK - THE - SCRIPTURES

The Trinitarian Translators attempting to relate this passage to Psa 82 - they went back into - Psa 82 and they literally altered and changed the passage to say

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

But this is not what Jesus was directly was referring to - because the original literally says

:6 I - SAID - GOD - ARE THY - SONS - MOST HIGH - OF ALL
Yes the sons of God are said to be MOST HIGH OF ALL but the passage does not say
, Ye are gods
This is not what the original manuscript says in Hebrew - and notice how the Trinitarians added the word “ are in italics “ because this word is not in the original

REMEMBER THAT JESUS WAS BEING THREATENED AND REUBUKED BY THE PRIESTS>
Jesus was referring to the fact that - HE WAS SPEAKING TO THE PRIESTS AND COMPARING THEM TO WICKED MEN and COMPARING THEM TO the passage in - Exo 7:1 God is saying that his servant, Moses - is a god to Pharaoh

Exo 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh
and Psa 82 does not come out and directly say - Ye are gods
but it does say - 6 I - SAID - GOD - ARE THY - SONS - MOST HIGH - OF ALL

:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

Jesus was NOT trying to convince the Priests that the servants of God are “ God’s “ but he was using the scriptures to rebuke them and let them know that he, or anyone who was a servant of God would in fact be a god unto the Priests because they were wicked and falsely accusing him of evil because he was telling the truth.

He was insulting and rebuking them and afterwards they - sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
Joh 10:39

This is how the manuscripts read - Jesus was not teaching or trying to convince anyone that the Servants of God are “ God’s “ but he was rebuking the priests by explaining that the servants of God are as “ God’s “ unto the priests because they are wicked and will not understand and they walk onward in darkness.
Just like - I have made thee a god to Pharaoh

And also when - GOD STANDS IN THE CONGERGATION UNTO THE MIDST - GOD JUDGES THE WICKED and then - The Sons Of God are said to be MOST HIGH OF ALL

Trinitarians attempt to make the passages say something that was never, ever intended by the authors and they do this by changing the words, adding and removing words and pretending that using the ITALICS were needed to explain self interjected confusion when the passage is very simple.

The manuscripts explain themselves very clearly.

and the manuscripts do - also have many, many passages that do have what we would call REVELATIONS in that they have hints, clues, suggestions, indicators, signs, signals, and even many insinuations that that are symbolic and allegorical symbolic, metaphorical, figurative and representative of other ideas and symbolizing insinuations

But the Translators ignore most of these and alter them and go in and add their own words to reinvent an alternative message that is not at all what is in the original intent of original message.

The Translators want you to believe that they are helping God explain himself by changing the original and converting it into their own faith system developed nearly 2000 years after the book was written,

This is the entire Trinitarian faith system inside inside and out.

Remember, Jesus spoke to those who did not accept and tried to attack him and his message, with parables and literally was insulting and confusing them intentionally

Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

 

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Joh 10:34 ANSWERED - THEM - HIM - JESUS - NOT - IT IS - WRITTEN - IN - τω THE - LAW - YOU - I - SAID - GODS - YOU - :35 THAT - THOSE - HE SAID - GODS - UNTO - THEM - WHOM - THE WORD - OF - GOD - CAME TO PASS - AND - ARE NOT - ABLE TO - BREAK - THE - SCRIPTURES

First of all, I am absolutely NOT a trinitarian.
Secondly if your translations of the original are correct then all the english speaking world is in deep crap as that translation has little to no meaning at all.

Thirdly I find it humorous that we somehow believe we know better what the translation should be just because we read a bit of Greek or Hebrew off the internet or even go to
college to learn it. The question I would raise is how do you know that what you think is the proper word translation actually is the proper translation, as languages change over time
and thus have different meanings to the same words written thousands of years earlier. What makes you right and them wrong? As all are interpreting according to their unique
education in the language in question.

 

[only son]

I agree and understand, these issues should have been taken care of already.

This is what happens when a book is not translated into a modern language for nearly 2000 years.

This is also, exactly the way an ancient language is spoken. Phrases and the flowing of words are often staged from a reversed perspective.

Imagine someone is reading a very long letter addressed to you from someone you do not know very well.

and because you are driving or doing something else you are not able to read it -

but as they are reading your letter they add in their own personal feelings and attempt to elaborately explain in vivid detail with many, many of their own words what the letter is saying and meaning. To the point that that they build up this amazing message that is so clearly understandable and vivid and super, super detailed in every way possible.

And then they also attempt to convince you that all of this extra explaining that they are doing - is exactly word for word actually what is in the letter itself,

After the letter has been finished you begin thinking over and over about what the letter was saying and you begin to envision the message and summarize the message and picture the message in you mind. BUT after some time later you pick up the letter and read it yourself and you find that the letter is so different from how it was read to you.

You now have to re - think, re evaluate and re - consider everything in the letter from an entirely different perspective.

This is what people experience when they are shown the " word for word " exact translation of the Bible - word for word in perfect order of how the original author structured and laid each word - word for word exactly.

You then take out all of the extra words and are added - ignore all off the words structure that have been reshuffled - switched around and moved around - and all of the words that were missing also begin to take part in the original message - it feels at first that none of it makes sense

entire passages have a completely different perspective and meaning and are much more simple and are leaning or drifting in an entirely different direction.

it is all about drift - how do you want the message you are expressing to drift

we understand written language by learning and recognizing the style in which the language is expressed.

even with someone reading a letter to you, and this person does not like the style in which the letter was written - or maybe they do not understand the style - you can tell in the inflection and way they read aloud

 

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Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore PERFECT, even as YOUR FATHER which is in heaven IS PERFECT."
Now if Jesus is saying that God is already perfect in 5:48, how is it that Jesus could possibly be God and still need to learn obedience and be perfected? Hebrews 5:8-9

For your consideration.

Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, that God did by Him in the midst of you,
as ye yourselves also know:

24- Whom God hath raised up..........

32- This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we are all witnesses.

36-Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that GOD HATH MADE THAT SAME JESUS, WHOM YE HAVE CRUCIFIED, BOTH LORD AND CHRIST.