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John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2; He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
The Word (Jesus) was both "with" God.. and also God Himself. Gen 1:1; says God created the heavens and the earth. Verse 3 above says Jesus created everything.
Sometimes the argument here is the word "Word". However verse 14 says...
John 1:14; And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Col 1:16-17; also says Jesus created everything.
A prophecy of Isaiah says...
Isa 9:6; For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
John 6:46; says if you've seen Jesus, you've seen the Father.
John 10:30; I and the Father are one.”
There are dozens of verses that say the Father is God. There are also some verses that say Jesus is God.
Titus 2:13; looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
2 Pet 1:1; Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
God the Father calls the Jesus the Son God in Hebrews.
Heb 1:8; But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.
In Exodus 3, God tells Moses....
Exod 3:14; God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
God is "I AM".
John 8:58; Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”
Jesus is also "I AM".
In Rev 21, the Father says...
Rev 21:6; Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost.
In Rev 22, Jesus says...
Rev 22:13; I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
They are both the Alpha and Omega, they are both the first and the last.
There are dozens more... but this is a fair start.
John 1:2; He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
The Word (Jesus) was both "with" God.. and also God Himself. Gen 1:1; says God created the heavens and the earth. Verse 3 above says Jesus created everything.
Sometimes the argument here is the word "Word". However verse 14 says...
John 1:14; And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Col 1:16-17; also says Jesus created everything.
A prophecy of Isaiah says...
Isa 9:6; For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
John 6:46; says if you've seen Jesus, you've seen the Father.
John 10:30; I and the Father are one.”
There are dozens of verses that say the Father is God. There are also some verses that say Jesus is God.
Titus 2:13; looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
2 Pet 1:1; Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
God the Father calls the Jesus the Son God in Hebrews.
Heb 1:8; But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.
In Exodus 3, God tells Moses....
Exod 3:14; God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
God is "I AM".
John 8:58; Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”
Jesus is also "I AM".
In Rev 21, the Father says...
Rev 21:6; Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost.
In Rev 22, Jesus says...
Rev 22:13; I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
They are both the Alpha and Omega, they are both the first and the last.
There are dozens more... but this is a fair start.
B-A-C
Loyal
Psa 49:7; No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him—
Psa 49:8; For the redemption of his soul is costly, And he should cease trying forever—
No "man" can redeem your soul.... but guess who can?
Psa 49:15; But God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol,
For He will receive me. Selah.
If Jesus is just a human man.. your soul is not redeemed.
Luke 5:21; The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this man who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
Psa 49:8; For the redemption of his soul is costly, And he should cease trying forever—
No "man" can redeem your soul.... but guess who can?
Psa 49:15; But God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol,
For He will receive me. Selah.
If Jesus is just a human man.. your soul is not redeemed.
Luke 5:21; The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this man who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
Ivar
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So far it seems the the Bible supports a Hierarchy and discredits a Trinity
There are dozens of verses that say the Father is God. I agree . I would say that many scriptures call or imply Jesus is God not call him God. The Father himself does call him God and I agree. Overall I do think their is a context but comment more another time
So far it seems the the Bible supports a Hierarchy and discredits a Trinity
There are dozens of verses that say the Father is God. I agree . I would say that many scriptures call or imply Jesus is God not call him God. The Father himself does call him God and I agree. Overall I do think their is a context but comment more another time
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Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Jesus is God
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus is mighty God
2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
Jesus, Love of God, Holy Spirit (Father, Son Holy Spirit)
1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
God the Father, Spirit of God, Blood of Jesus (Father, Son, Holy Spirit)
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
The Holy Spirit is God
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jesus is the Word of God, and is God
Jesus is God
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus is mighty God
2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
Jesus, Love of God, Holy Spirit (Father, Son Holy Spirit)
1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
God the Father, Spirit of God, Blood of Jesus (Father, Son, Holy Spirit)
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
The Holy Spirit is God
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jesus is the Word of God, and is God
Ivar
Member
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going thru my posts and I noticed I never replied here.
Our only God or the God of the followers of the Son is the Heavenly Father.
Not Understanding/Obeying/Listening/Hearing That The Lord is one Lord and not one in three lords seems to be an infraction of part of The First Greatest Commandment.
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
(KJV) Strong's H8085 - shama
According to Isaiah 9:6 The son shall be called many things but according to the volume of the book we only have One God.
I suspect it all to be a test.
Ivar
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CORRECTING
So far it seems the the Bible supports a Hierarchy and discredits a Trinity
There are dozens of verses that say the Father is and even solely God. Many scriptures call or imply Jesus is God but never directly as our God or our only true God. The Father himself does call him God however it seems to be in a specific context.
Joh 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
Luk 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Ivar
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Fortunately with our only true God all things are possible and the son came in his name.
Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Saviour https://www.talkjesus.com/threads/saviour.62524/