Trump's top 100 victories for people of faith

[Rad]

I was not looking forward to more of your novel.
For the THIRD time you, nor anyone else, can realistically, possibly "love" everyone. Your incapable or are you trying to put yourself on God's level?
That's how this whole mess started.

But thats what Christ calls us to do, "Love your Neighbour as yourself" and "Treat others as you'd want to be treated", no ifs or buts, just a straight up statement of TOTAL inclusivity, and this was re-iterated in the parable of the "Good Samaritan", where Christ defined our "Neighbour" as those in need of our love and compassion, strangers deserving of the same Love we'd want for ourselves if in their situation, now you may disagree with that, but in so doing youre not disagreeing with me but with the very Saviour you profess to follow, unless you can show me something that Christ said that supports your view.

It is a GOAL to 'love your nieghbor' and it IS within the hiearchy.
You do NOT love yourself or spouse for some rando 3rd world dump.

You keep mentioning this "Hierarchy", which i believe you stated is one based on Nationality, race, colour or whatever, i would be interested to know why you believe this , for in my Bible Christ says in Luke 13:29, " They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God.", there is no exclusive nationality or race that will monopolise the Kingdom of God for it is open to ALL those that believe in his word and follow his commandments.
As for your "rando 3rd world dump" comment, you do realise that in Matthew 25 31-46, "The Sheep and the Goats" Christ proclaims that amongst the Hungry, the homeless, the thirsty, the sick, the outcast and the poor you will find him, these "rando 3rd world dumps" are the very places Christ is in this suffering world, not in the palaces of the rich or the Temples of those that profess his name but disregard his commandments, he is amongst us now in the places of poverty and suffering, and whether we acknowledge that and act to help him or turn away from him ,will determine our ultimate salvation or otherwise.

Fun fact, even as an Independent (by definition) you have to lean one way or the other.
By your own subjective statements you are Independent Far Left leaning.

You keep accusing me of being "Far left", so i'd be interested to know how you feel my stance on issues is more influenced by my political persuasion that by Christs teaching, i try to be "Christ centred" in all i do regardless of political allegiances, as i regard ALL of humanity as being fundamentally sinful as are the institutions they create, and i see ALL governments of this Evil world being under the control of the Devil, so if you could tell me where i'm going wrong and i agree, then i'd be only too willing to change. But i dont just want your opinion, i want your opinion backed up by the words of Christ, for if we truly "Christ centred" then that must be the basis for ALL of our thoughts and actions.

You are tied to it whether you like it or not.

I try to be "tied" to the teachings of the Saviour i profess to follow, its not always what i like to do, but as a Christian that must be the path i tread.

 

[MedicBravo]

you stated is one based on Nationality, race, colour or whatever, - How?
Why would a good, sane Christian IGNORE his own family for some rando? Are you or anyone here part of the 1%? Can you throw money at every sob story? NO.
Adam took care of his WIFE's needs before his children. He took care of theirs before their cousins and their families.
If you have a neighbor (in proximity) in need that you know, you help them before some rando online lying with a sob story.
Do you help the homeless in or near where you live or send money to Sarah McLaughlin and Sally Struthers?

Act like duck....

 

[NBTT]

Not my discussion but this verse does give some priority to who we should provide for first.

1TIM 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

 

[MedicBravo]

Not my discussion but this verse does give some priority to who we should provide for first.

1TIM 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Breakdown:
First Epistle to Timothy 5:8 (ESV):
“But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.”

1) Immediate context (what’s going on in chapter 5)
In 1 Timothy 5:3–16, Paul the Apostle is giving Timothy instructions about how the church should care for widows. The key issue is responsibility:

- Families should care for their own widows first (vv. 4, 8, 16)
- The church should support “true widows”—those genuinely alone and in need (vv. 3, 5)

So verse 8 isn’t random—it’s part of a larger argument about not shifting personal responsibility onto the church.

2) What “provide for” means
The Greek idea behind “provide” implies ongoing care and foresight—not just emergency help. It includes:

- Food, shelter, clothing (basic needs)
- Likely emotional and social support in a household setting

It’s not about luxury; it’s about responsible, consistent care.

3) “Relatives” vs. “household”
Paul intensifies the point:

- Relatives → extended family
- Especially household → those under your direct care (immediate family)

This reflects the structure of ancient households, where multiple generations often lived together.

4) “Denied the faith” — why so strong?
Paul uses unusually harsh language:

- “Denied the faith” = living in contradiction to core Christian teaching
- Christianity emphasizes love, responsibility, and care (cf. Jesus’ teachings)

If someone refuses to care for their own family, they’re undermining the very ethic they claim to believe.

5) “Worse than an unbeliever”
Even in the Greco-Roman world, non-Christians commonly cared for family members. So Paul’s point is:

If Christians fail here, they fall below even basic societal moral standards.

This is a comparative moral statement, not saying they’re literally beyond redemption.

6) How the surrounding verses reinforce it

Verses 4–5
- Children and grandchildren should “repay” their parents
- A “true widow” is one who is alone and dependent on God

Verses 6–7
- A self-indulgent widow is “dead while she lives” (spiritually unproductive)
- The church must maintain integrity in who it supports

Verses 9–10
- Criteria for widows receiving church support:
- Faithful life
- Known for good works
- Hospitality, service, raising children

Verses 11–15
- Younger widows are encouraged to remarry and rebuild households
- This avoids idleness and potential social/spiritual issues

Verse 16 (ties directly back to v. 8)
- Family members must not let the church carry their responsibility

7) Big-picture meaning
1 Timothy 5:8 is about ordered responsibility:

1. Family first (primary duty)
2. Church second (support when no family exists)

It’s not just about money—it’s about faith lived out in practical care.

8) Modern application (carefully framed)
In today’s context, this principle can extend to:

- Supporting aging parents
- Caring for dependent family members
- Not neglecting responsibilities while expecting institutions (church/government) to replace them

But it should be applied with wisdom:

- It doesn’t require enabling harmful behavior
- It doesn’t ignore situations like abuse, estrangement, or incapacity
- It assumes the ability to provide, not condemning those who genuinely cannot

9) One-sentence summary
A genuine Christian life shows up in tangible responsibility—especially in caring for one’s own family before expecting the church to step in.