Understanding Revelation

[lentz]

To understand the book,you need a study of the other 65 books.

Jesus told John to write in 3 categories. The things that were,the things that are and the things to come.
Chapter 1,talks of things that were. Chapters 2 and 3 the things that are,the Church age. Chapter 4 and onward the rapture,tribulation,millennium and final things.

 

[Hekuran]

Sorry to say: that approach will not lead to a rounded understanding of Revelation. Forcing a past/present/structure on it doesn't work.

instead choose a reliable and wise guide such as Scott McKnight's Revelation for the rest of us. I'm halfway through it and it's helping to see how things fit together.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Without the Holy Spirit and the mind of Christ no man will understand it.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

To understand the book,you need a study of the other 65 books.

Jesus told John to write in 3 categories. The things that were,the things that are and the things to come.
Chapter 1,talks of things that were. Chapters 2 and 3 the things that are,the Church age. Chapter 4 and onward the rapture,tribulation,millennium and final things.

Revelation gives a pattern of history, the apocalyptic events from Ch. 4 forward repeatedly took place in history, but only on a regional scale. You've got antichrist tyrants here and there, none of them got to rule all nations on earth. In the end, though, it will be global, THE Antichrist will rise, and we're very close to it.

 

[complete]

'The Revelation of Jesus Christ,
.. which God gave unto Him,
.... to shew unto His servants
...... things which must shortly come to pass;
........ and He sent and signified it
.......... by His angel
............ unto His servant John:
Who bare record of the word of God,
and of the testimony of Jesus Christ,
and of all things that he saw.'
(Rev 1:1-2)

@lentz,
@Hekuran,
@StewardoftheMystery
@Jonathan_Gale

Hello there,

Your entries show the diversity of understanding that man has in relation to this book.

* It is a prophetic word, which is 'of God'. It is set in 'The Lord's Day' (Rev. 1:10): and so when it is said that the events which take place within it, must 'shortly come to pass', it is in relation to 'The Day of The Lord', and not to the day in which it was revealed to John.

* The book of Revelation should be taken literally, except where it is obviously figurative. When God wishes to hide the meaning of His words He uses parables and emblems.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

* It is a prophetic word, which is 'of God'. It is set in 'The Lord's Day' (Rev. 1:10): and so when it is said that the events which take place within it, must 'shortly come to pass', it is in relation to 'The Day of The Lord', and not to the day in which it was revealed to John.

The original word for that "shortly", if I remember it right, is "tachy", which describes a rapid, swoft or speedy state of movement, not "imminent" or "soon". The Lord compared his return as a lightning, so how does a lightning appear? It doesn't strike from the sky at any time out of the blue, but when you've learned the weather forecast of a rainy day, you see the dark cloud gathering, you spot the dragonflies and swallows flying low, you know these are the signs; then, before you hear the thunder, you see the lightning flash in a nanosecond, and the sight has you startled, even though you think you're prepared, and that's how it would come to pass.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

It is set in 'The Lord's Day' (Rev. 1:10): and so when it is said that the events which take place within it, must 'shortly come to pass', it is in relation to 'The Day of The Lord', and not to the day in which it was revealed to John.

* The book of Revelation should be taken literally, except where it is obviously figurative. When God wishes to hide the meaning of His words He uses parables and emblems.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

The Lords day was the day of the week John heard the voice, it is not to be confused with the future “the day of the Lord”. That is a futurist view.

Jesus said the time was at hand.

Revelation 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 22:10
And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

These things were to shortly come to pass…

Revelation 1

King James Version

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1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:”

Also the Revelation contains past, present, and future events.

Revelation 1:19

King James Version

​

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Also the language God uses is very symbolic in the Revelation, as God spoke by the prophets using similitudes, proverbs and parables, and dark sayings, even Jesus taught in this same manner.

Hosea 12:10
I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:”

And only those who are anointed and chosen by God will understand the many mysteries contained in the words of God, including the Revelation.

Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:”


Only those who have the mind of Wisdom, which is the mind of Christ, shall understand.


Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 

[lentz]

'The Revelation of Jesus Christ,
.. which God gave unto Him,
.... to shew unto His servants
...... things which must shortly come to pass;
........ and He sent and signified it
.......... by His angel
............ unto His servant John:
Who bare record of the word of God,
and of the testimony of Jesus Christ,
and of all things that he saw.'
(Rev 1:1-2)

@lentz,
@Hekuran,
@StewardoftheMystery
@Jonathan_Gale

Hello there,

Your entries show the diversity of understanding that man has in relation to this book.

* It is a prophetic word, which is 'of God'. It is set in 'The Lord's Day' (Rev. 1:10): and so when it is said that the events which take place within it, must 'shortly come to pass', it is in relation to 'The Day of The Lord', and not to the day in which it was revealed to John.

* The book of Revelation should be taken literally, except where it is obviously figurative. When God wishes to hide the meaning of His words He uses parables and emblems.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

'The Revelation of Jesus Christ,
.. which God gave unto Him,
.... to shew unto His servants
...... things which must shortly come to pass;
........ and He sent and signified it
.......... by His angel
............ unto His servant John:
Who bare record of the word of God,
and of the testimony of Jesus Christ,
and of all things that he saw.'
(Rev 1:1-2)

@lentz,
@Hekuran,
@StewardoftheMystery
@Jonathan_Gale

Hello there,

Your entries show the diversity of understanding that man has in relation to this book.

* It is a prophetic word, which is 'of God'. It is set in 'The Lord's Day' (Rev. 1:10): and so when it is said that the events which take place within it, must 'shortly come to pass', it is in relation to 'The Day of The Lord', and not to the day in which it was revealed to John.

* The book of Revelation should be taken literally, except where it is obviously figurative. When God wishes to hide the meaning of His words He uses parables and emblems.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I cant tell if you're agreeing with me or not

 

[lentz]

Sorry to say: that approach will not lead to a rounded understanding of Revelation. Forcing a past/present/structure on it doesn't work.

instead choose a reliable and wise guide such as Scott McKnight's Revelation for the rest of us. I'm halfway through it and it's helping to see how things fit together.

pnotppnot

Sorry to say: that approach will not lead to a rounded understanding of Revelation. Forcing a past/present/structure on it doesn't work.

instead choose a reliable and wise guide such as Scott McKnight's Revelation for the rest of us. I'm halfway through it and it's helping to see how things fit together.

Past present and future is the whole key to the book. Sorry,i have never heard of McKnight.

 

[Hekuran]

Revelation for the Rest of Us: A Prophetic Call to Foll…

See how the Book of Revelation can be read as a book of…

www.goodreads.com

His focus is on how Revelation teaches the faithful to live rather than to speculate about what might happen. The reviews give a pretty good idea of the approach.

 

[B-A-C]

instead choose a reliable and wise guide such as Scott McKnight's Revelation for the rest of us

Scot McKnight - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In April 2014 McKnight announced that he had joined the Anglican Church in North America (ACNA), a denomination founded by former members of the Episcopal Church of the United States. On April 26, 2014 he was ordained into Anglican Holy Orders as a Deacon at Church of the Redeemer in Highwood, Illinois. In January 2017, McKnight began a series of posts explaining more about his transition into the Anglican tradition.

Anyone who joins a LGBT affirming denomination is probably not someone you want to follow.

 

[Hekuran]

Scot McKnight - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Anyone who joins a LGBT affirming denomination is probably not someone you want to follow.

ACNA is not LGBT affirming. Get your facts right.

 

[lentz]

The Lords day was the day of the week John heard the voice, it is not to be confused with the future “the day of the Lord”. That is a futurist view.

Jesus said the time was at hand.

Revelation 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 22:10
And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

These things were to shortly come to pass…

Revelation 1​

​

King James Version​

​

​

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:”

Also the Revelation contains past, present, and future events.

Revelation 1:19​

​

King James Version​

​

​

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Also the language God uses is very symbolic in the Revelation, as God spoke by the prophets using similitudes, proverbs and parables, and dark sayings, even Jesus taught in this same manner.

Hosea 12:10
I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:”

And only those who are anointed and chosen by God will understand the many mysteries contained in the words of God, including the Revelation.

Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:”


Only those who have the mind of Wisdom, which is the mind of Christ, shall understand.


Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Revelation for the Rest of Us: A Prophetic Call to Foll…

See how the Book of Revelation can be read as a book of…

www.goodreads.com

His focus is on how Revelation teaches the faithful to live rather than to speculate about what might happen. The reviews give a pretty good idea of the approach.

I dont want to falsely accuse him,but sounds like a new age liberal intellectual.

 

[Hekuran]

I dont want to falsely accuse him,but sounds like a new age liberal intellectual.

If you don't want to falsely accuse a person, the best thing to do is make sure you don't make false accusations.

 

[lentz]

If you don't want to falsely accuse a person, the best thing to do is make sure you don't make false accusations.

That's what. I said

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

If you don't want to falsely accuse a person, the best thing to do is make sure you don't make false accusations.

Forgive me for chiming in your talk, but just a word of advice. As a matter of fact, more than 90% of Revelation is of OT references, mostly OT prophecies. I siad this before, that if the OT prophecies were a novel, Revelation is movie script adapted from that novel. If you seek a really reliable and wise guide of this grand finale, go find a messianic rabbi who understands those OT prophecies such as Jonathan Cahn or Matthew Nolan.

 

[lentz]

Forgive me for chiming in your talk, but just a word of advice. As a matter of fact, more than 90% of Revelation is of OT references, mostly OT prophecies. I siad this before, that if the OT prophecies were a novel, Revelation is movie script adapted from that novel. If you seek a really reliable and wise guide of this grand finale, go find a messianic rabbi who understands those OT prophecies such as Jonathan Cahn or Matthew Nolan.

Or J. Vernon McGee's studies on Revelation.

 

[Hekuran]

Forgive me for chiming in your talk, but just a word of advice. As a matter of fact, more than 90% of Revelation is of OT references, mostly OT prophecies. I siad this before, that if the OT prophecies were a novel, Revelation is movie script adapted from that novel. If you seek a really reliable and wise guide of this grand finale, go find a messianic rabbi who understands those OT prophecies such as Jonathan Cahn or Matthew Nolan.

Yes, the language, thought and imagery of the Old Testament is vital to appreciating the depth of Revelation. I'll look up those rabbis.

 

[Hekuran]

That's what. I said

He's emphatically not a new age liberal. If you disagree with something he says, then state it and say why. Throwing cheap labels about doesn't help anybody.

You've revealed rather a lot about the depth of your own character here.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Yes, the language, thought and imagery of the Old Testament is vital to appreciating the depth of Revelation. I'll look up those rabbis.

God bless you brother. Seek and you shall find.