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I hope I am getting what I offer from rightly diivding the word of God called; searching for silver and gold the gospel . . the Pearl of great price

My parents were Lutherans In my early 30’s I was led to a Plymouth Brethren denomination where I stayed for approx. 25 years. They have a great format for preaching the simplicity of the gospel. We have our differences in some areas and some doctrines .Most members do not have the same interest in parables
.They teach Dispensationalism. I have become more interested in the Amil camp (no literal thousand ) And I have no interest in trying to change their format for hearing the gospel. Not a salvation issue.

Today I am not in any particular sect but do fellowship with some from what I call my home church ( Plymouth Brethren ) . I have more interest in apologist as one who defends the faith that works in us to defend us the armor of God. which includes the parables , they teach us how to walk by faith the unseen eternal

My hope is what I offer as a private interpretation or personal commentary on how I work in a hope of rightly divide the parables I hope it meets his approval.

Parables are prophecy that teach us how to walk by faith as it is written. In that way we can seek the approval of God according to his living, loving commandment,.

2 Timothy 2: 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

And we are warned in 1 John 2 of those who say we do need a man to teach us as antichrists. We must be careful how we hear. God is not a man as us. He alone knows the hearts of all men and can give us a desire of a new heart to seek after his approval.

The two candlesticks represent the two different kinds of laws. . . they become one perfect law. The gospel of faith (unseen) to faith (unseen) or grace to grace.

John 1:16 And of his fullness have all we received, and grace for grace.

(1) The letter of the law death . . Thou shall not eat or you shall surely die. And (2 ) the law of faith or grace the unseen law that works from within coming from without the Spirit of Christ yoked with Him .

God uses different measuring tools as metaphor in parables the signified understanding. It is recorded that without parable Christ spoke not. In that way it is important to look to the historical accuracy , The temporal what the eyes see and rightfully divide to find the unseen understanding.

It does not change the gospel but rather enriches the understanding .

The 144,000 the literal is according to the "measure of a man", the messenger or sent one. . the prophet John in this case .

The measure of men the literal

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

The golden measure of faith

Revelation 7:4- 8 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb

In that section above again ; After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

That would represent to golden measure of faith a unknown which no man could number it is not revealed by flesh and blood. .

The phrase with every mention of tribes "were sealed twelve thousand" . Twelve as signifed number is used to represent the authority of God and thousand used to represent a unknown according the signified understanding spoken of in verse 1 of Revelation one


Revelation 21:12-18 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.


Gold represents the unseen work of the gospel throughout the whole bible . Two golden lampstands


Your first sentence you ended with a comment ' the Pearl of great price' which happens to be a book of Mormon. One of their books.

Sounds like you have a combination of beliefs of several belief systems.

And -- there's a passage about Not having any private interpretation of Scripture.
 
I answered stating every iota of the Law of Moses must be observed and that I'm very far from the required standard. If the Rabbis have Doctrinal Supremacy over you the previous statement is unintelligible.
Eli, I wish you'd answer this: do you believe in the Trinity: that God is one God consisting of three distinct and eternal persons - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
 
Garee -- what's this about the golden ark? Noahs' ark? Or are you referring to the golden calf?
 
You're not Yeshua Messhiac. I do know that Yeshua taught his disciples and apostles, one of whom wrote "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it." Ya'aqov 2:10. And another wrote "Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” Galatians 3:11, "For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law." Galatians 3:21. And you who claims to follow every iota of Moses's law, "You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace." Galatians 5:4. "For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20.

You didn't answer the question. Again, Do you think that Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ observed every iota of the Law of Moses?
 
Other than Christ in us? I would think he would be all we need

Christ in us he found us we had no way to find him of our own volition .No man can come unless he is working in them empowering them .

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Question not answered again. Again, who have you found to be the most Powerful of those Satanists turning things utterly Upside Down?
 
The Son of man Jeusus has come and left . . informing us that even though a few did know Christ after the flesh the one time propmised demonstration of the Son of man.jesus and the unseen Holy Father working or yoked to together is finished .

The last sign as a wonder in regard to the three days and night demonstration is over .

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

But there are some that do seek after andother sign as a wonder . Signs of the time are given but no sign to wonder after .

That 33 year window of opporutunty where blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus like that of Peter in Mathew 16 was forgiveable It ened when he disappeared out of sight . God is not man as us

Matthew 12:31-32 [Full Chapter] Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

@Garee, If you are not being persecuted than you should consider whether or not you are in error and don't know what you are talking about. This would be just a lot of Hot Air, Empty Talk and Waffle.
 
Your first sentence you ended with a comment ' the Pearl of great price' which happens to be a book of Mormon. One of their books.

Sounds like you have a combination of beliefs of several belief systems.

And -- there's a passage about Not having any private interpretation of Scripture.

I would guess whosoever authored the book of Mormon a private interpretation got the idea from the bible. The pearl a metaphor like gold has it place in certain parables.

Matthew 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.


And that passage does inform us that the bible is not interpretation of man as a personal commentaries or opinion. There are many different private interpretation or paraphrases of what mankind thinks the Bible God’s interpretation teaches us. In that way there must be herises as matters of opinion. amoungst us
 
Question not answered again. Again, who have you found to be the most Powerful of those Satanists turning things utterly Upside Down?

The most powerful one Is Satan called the legion. (many gods) He opposes the one Sprit of truth the Holy Spirit of God therefore turning things upside down as if inspired from earth.

Satan who is one spirit of error that works through a hierarchy of men Kings, Princes and fathers or a Queen (human government )as a law of men that opposed to all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

No man can serve two teaching authorities. That seen mankind the temproal and the unseen things of God (faith) the eternal .

Apparently it was not enough for the men to be part of the order that makes the word of God to no effect . ( As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee) Queens demanding equal righths made their way there also usurping the authority of sola scriptura and in the end seeing no evil. God having sent a strong delusion to believe the lies.

You could say human conspiriacy led by the legion of fools (athiests no God in the hearts) .Faithless not little. . . none, nada.

Jeremiah 44: 15-17 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.


That abomination of desolation (Kings in Israel a hierarchy of men) it was destroyed when the Son of man Jesus entered as the King of kings . .The new reformed order destroying the government of men . Kings, Queen, princes and fathers


Psalm 110:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
 
You didn't answer the question. Again, Do you think that Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ observed every iota of the Law of Moses?
Yeshua was God incarnate. If you're asking whether Jesus observed the entire law, including all of the rules and rituals of the Old Testament, the answer is NO, neither did HIS disciples.

Jesus and His disciples did not observe the rules against doing any work on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-14, Mark 2:23-28, 3:1-6, Luke 6:1-11, 13:10-17, 14:1-6, John 5:1-18). Neither did they perform the ritual hand washings before eating (Matthew 15:1-2). In contrast to the dietary rules of the Law, Jesus said no food can defile a person; it is bad attitudes and actions that can make a person unholy (Matthew 15:1-20, Mark 7:1-23). Jesus frequently criticized the scribal laws (Matthew 23:23, Mark 7:11-13) and some aspects of the civil law (John 8:3-5, 10-11).

Answer my question: do you believe in the Trinity: that God consists of three distinct and eternal persons - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
 
The most powerful one Is Satan called the legion. (many gods) He opposes the one Sprit of truth the Holy Spirit of God therefore turning things upside down as if inspired from earth.

Satan who is one spirit of error that works through a hierarchy of men Kings, Princes and fathers or a Queen (human government )as a law of men that opposed to all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

No man can serve two teaching authorities. That seen mankind the temproal and the unseen things of God (faith) the eternal .

Apparently it was not enough for the men to be part of the order that makes the word of God to no effect . ( As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee) Queens demanding equal righths made their way there also usurping the authority of sola scriptura and in the end seeing no evil. God having sent a strong delusion to believe the lies.

You could say human conspiriacy led by the legion of fools (athiests no God in the hearts) .Faithless not little. . . none, nada.

Jeremiah 44: 15-17 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.


That abomination of desolation (Kings in Israel a hierarchy of men) it was destroyed when the Son of man Jesus entered as the King of kings . .The new reformed order destroying the government of men . Kings, Queen, princes and fathers


Psalm 110:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

Proverbs 2:14 Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked;

You have mentioned Queens, Kings, princes and fathers. What about the Priests? Do Priests have more Power than Queens and Kings? Is there a Satanic Priesthood?

GOD IS NOT HERE TODAY PRIEST
 
The most powerful one Is Satan called the legion. (many gods) He opposes the one Sprit of truth the Holy Spirit of God therefore turning things upside down as if inspired from earth.

Satan who is one spirit of error that works through a hierarchy of men Kings, Princes and fathers or a Queen (human government )as a law of men that opposed to all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

No man can serve two teaching authorities. That seen mankind the temproal and the unseen things of God (faith) the eternal .

Apparently it was not enough for the men to be part of the order that makes the word of God to no effect . ( As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee) Queens demanding equal righths made their way there also usurping the authority of sola scriptura and in the end seeing no evil. God having sent a strong delusion to believe the lies.

You could say human conspiriacy led by the legion of fools (athiests no God in the hearts) .Faithless not little. . . none, nada.

Jeremiah 44: 15-17 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.


That abomination of desolation (Kings in Israel a hierarchy of men) it was destroyed when the Son of man Jesus entered as the King of kings . .The new reformed order destroying the government of men . Kings, Queen, princes and fathers


Psalm 110:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
You are incoherent.
 
Yeshua was God incarnate. If you're asking whether Jesus observed the entire law, including all of the rules and rituals of the Old Testament, the answer is NO, neither did HIS disciples.

Jesus and His disciples did not observe the rules against doing any work on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-14, Mark 2:23-28, 3:1-6, Luke 6:1-11, 13:10-17, 14:1-6, John 5:1-18). Neither did they perform the ritual hand washings before eating (Matthew 15:1-2). In contrast to the dietary rules of the Law, Jesus said no food can defile a person; it is bad attitudes and actions that can make a person unholy (Matthew 15:1-20, Mark 7:1-23). Jesus frequently criticized the scribal laws (Matthew 23:23, Mark 7:11-13) and some aspects of the civil law (John 8:3-5, 10-11).

Answer my question: do you believe in the Trinity: that God consists of three distinct and eternal persons - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

Are you Roman Catholic?
 
A Christian would not be ashamed to say: "Yes, God exists eternally in three persons - Father, Son, Spirit." You can't, though. I am not a member of the Roman Catholic Church.

Are you Jewish?

That's a deep subject that requires its own thread. Are you a member of a Denominational or Non-Denominational Church?

No, I'm not an Ethnic Jew.
 
That's a deep subject that requires its own thread. Are you a member of a Denominational or Non-Denominational Church?

No, I'm not an Ethnic Jew.

Not an ethnic Jew? Not sure what hides in that answer. I discern you are a Judaiser. Why would you promote Judaism in a Christian forum?
 
Not an ethnic Jew? Not sure what hides in that answer. I discern you are a Judaiser. Why would you promote Judaism in a Christian forum?

Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is a Jew. Jew is Judah. Yeshua's/Jesus's Judah is is not the Judah taught by the Rabbis.
 
Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is a Jew. Jew is Judah. Yeshua's/Jesus's Judah is is not the Judah taught by the Rabbis.
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Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is a Jew. Jew is Judah. Yeshua's/Jesus's Judah is is not the Judah taught by the Rabbis.
You are a Hebrew Roots movement member? They are Judaisers.

I am under the law of Christ: "Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ." Galatians 6:2.
 
Proverbs 2:14 Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked;

You have mentioned Queens, Kings, princes and fathers. What about the Priests? Do Priests have more Power than Queens and Kings? Is there a Satanic Priesthood?

GOD IS NOT HERE TODAY PRIEST


Priest as a govement of men works the same way. There is no infalible fleshly umpire that stands betwen mankind seen and our heavenly father not seen. In that way we are to call no man father on earth or master teacher as Lord

Christins folow the devine Goverment (Fater and Son) not according to what the eyes see . but the eternal not seen the mysteries made know in parables
 
You are a Hebrew Roots movement member? They are Judaisers.

I am under the law of Christ: "Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ." Galatians 6:2.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is Hebrew Roots. Do you think Yeshua/Jesus abandoned his Hebrew Roots?
 
@Elihoenai -- Jesus Christ was born into the Jewish culture.

His birth was prophesied in book of Isaiah -- Old Testament /Hebrew -- His birth took place in the New Testament / Matthew and Luke. / Greek
 
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