What does it mean to be set(made) free indeed?
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I just had this thought. When a prisoner being in prison for many years, he has only known the way of a prisoner. No bills, told when to go to bed, when to wake up, when to go outside, when to eat, how to eat, etc. But now, nearing the end of his life sentence, the parole board approves his release, and he is set free. How do you think this man will respond to his new freedom? Will he know how to be free? How does he find a place to live now that he has to provide for himself? How does he pay rent? How does he find a job? All of these things have to be learned in his new freedom.
I just had this thought. When a prisoner being in prison for many years, he has only known the way of a prisoner. No bills, told when to go to bed, when to wake up, when to go outside, when to eat, how to eat, etc. But now, nearing the end of his life sentence, the parole board approves his release, and he is set free. How do you think this man will respond to his new freedom? Will he know how to be free? How does he find a place to live now that he has to provide for himself? How does he pay rent? How does he find a job? All of these things have to be learned in his new freedom.
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Brilliant analogy. Thanks for your generosity in sharing your thought that perhaps the Holy Spirit illuminated upon your mind. Vivid and bright illustration. Thanks.
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You got that right, not by might or power.
I don't want to get side-tracked but just quickly. So you believe in two Baptism of the Holy Spirit?
One upon confession and then another to receive power?
So if someone receives the first they go to heaven?
Or do they need the second baptism as well to go to heaven?
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It came and I thanked the LORD immediately! I have two witnesses - one may have looked at me funny
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John 1:12-13 testifies that the receiving of power also happens at our salvation.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
If any one doubts that, then when do they heed this warning from Paul?
2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Or how about acknowledging the reality of what Paul says when we had received Him, we are complete in Him?
Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
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You are reading translations, you are made “Righteous” indicative!
We will be righteous when we are fully clothe in Immortality when this corruption will put on The Incorruptible!
I know your human flesh cries out that you are righteous! But we are not, now it is “imputed righteousness” we are being saved!
No one what’s to “Walk in the path growing on to “ Sanctification unto Holiness”! We even hate the thought of such a work being made in us!
Many think the time they we are born from above! They are perfect and holy and pure and completely Sanctify. Because of a feeling of Joy!
Not realizing they are nothing but little baby’s in Christ, and so they grow into teenaged years, and get to a point, thinking they have become a man! And you cannot tell that teenager nothing, he will not even read!
I’m speaking in relating to “Spiritual children “
And most adults do not want to read or study plain words! They will not! They read , run over simple words. They do not know what a paragraph or a coma even mean!
I know, I talked to many of adults from 19-late 60,s christians and have them read a “Text” thinking they know what they have read, then have them read it again with my personal instructions. And I might ask them what does this word mean, and corrected them!
And their reply is “Oh My GOD” I read that wrong! I see plainly! Now.
And my reply most people or Christian’s and a lot of pastors do the same!
Because they have heard so many times wrong, they become blind to the Truth. Unless someone gets them alone in Quietness, and calm. And help from the Spirit of GOD.
Then from that time on they take notice, and pass on to others what they have learn just by regular reading.
Or they just keep doing it the same way they always have done it.
But “Train up a child in A way that it SHOULD GO, it will not depart when it gets old”
If a person has not been train properly how to read a book properly he will not depart, once he gets oold”
And there is nothing we can do.
“Where sin abound grace abound that much more”
“We might as well bear with them”
King James Bible
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
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When I was “Born from above” filled with “The Parakletos of God” how could I know what commands of Jesus Christ or to know anything about salvation ,Justification, Holiness, Eternal Life, The Atonement and..etc..
How could I know without reading The Book!
I had to read the Book to know About The Advocate, I had to read to find out who Jesus really was and what He did. I didn’t know anything about this stuff until I became born from Above and then read the Book!!
I did not get saved by reading The Book, I got “Baptist with “The Holy Ghost” 1st. Then a read the Book to find out What this “Holy Ghost” was.
I know many other people went to church and read their Bibles and heard the Preacher peach and walk up front and prayed the sinner and gave their life to Christ and shake the pastors hand and all of the rest of ceremonies.
My conversion was nothing like that!
I was at Work! I knew I was changing on the inside for sometime but no one knew it but me!
So I can fully identify with “The Calvinistic” ways! HE chose me I did not chose Him!
I had to read the Book! After Conversion to understand what had happen to me!
And all my friends have never even heard of Should of thing that happen to me! They have never seen a person change and right away preaching Jesus!
I know many needed help from drugs and bad marriages , needed a kid, sickness, a bad up bringing. Only real problem I had I could not say No to Women
I ask GOD why, why all these women want me! I got a pretty wife at home, and these women chasing me and I like my wife better than them, some thing is wrong, something ain’t right. Why am I doing stuff I do not want to do? Stuff like that would go threw my head, Ii would see people lie and cheat, steal, wives I thought was good women, why they chasing me! Something is not right!
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The Parakletos entered my Life, set my soul on fire!
The Church could never top that!
I let them know it!
I shamed Pentecostals” and I did not speak in “Tongues” but I could Talk About JESUS and They Listen, as I witness what GOD had Done To Me!
I had to read The Book to know what had happen to me!
Oh’it happen to this guy name Paul too.
Oh’ they where where sitting in a upper room and The Power…etc
Oh’ Cornelius, it happen to them too!
It was exciting to read about people it had happen to them too!
The Church could never top that!
I let them know it!
I shamed Pentecostals” and I did not speak in “Tongues” but I could Talk About JESUS and They Listen, as I witness what GOD had Done To Me!
I had to read The Book to know what had happen to me!
Oh’it happen to this guy name Paul too.
Oh’ they where where sitting in a upper room and The Power…etc
Oh’ Cornelius, it happen to them too!
It was exciting to read about people it had happen to them too!
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Aww Waggles, if Pentecostals have so much power, why do they still have some false beliefs?
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When a person is made free from sin, and made righteous, they will do righteousness, not unrighteousness.We will be righteous when we are fully clothe in Immortality when this corruption will put on The Incorruptible!
I know your human flesh cries out that you are righteous! But we are not, now it is “imputed righteousness” we are being saved!
No one what’s to “Walk in the path growing on to “ Sanctification unto Holiness”! We even hate the thought of such a work being made in us!
Many think the time they we are born from above! They are perfect and holy and pure and completely Sanctify. Because of a feeling of Joy!
Not realizing they are nothing but little baby’s in Christ, and so they grow into teenaged years, and get to a point, thinking they have become a man! And you cannot tell that teenager nothing, he will not even read!
I’m speaking in relating to “Spiritual children “
And most adults do not want to read or study plain words! They will not! They read , run over simple words. They do not know what a paragraph or a coma even mean!
I know, I talked to many of adults from 19-late 60,s christians and have them read a “Text” thinking they know what they have read, then have them read it again with my personal instructions. And I might ask them what does this word mean, and corrected them!
And their reply is “Oh My GOD” I read that wrong! I see plainly! Now.
And my reply most people or Christian’s and a lot of pastors do the same!
Because they have heard so many times wrong, they become blind to the Truth. Unless someone gets them alone in Quietness, and calm. And help from the Spirit of GOD.
Then from that time on they take notice, and pass on to others what they have learn just by regular reading.
Or they just keep doing it the same way they always have done it.
But “Train up a child in A way that it SHOULD GO, it will not depart when it gets old”
If a person has not been train properly how to read a book properly he will not depart, once he gets oold”
And there is nothing we can do.
“Where sin abound grace abound that much more”
“We might as well bear with them”
King James Bible
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
You will know a tree by his fruit.
1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
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I love it , I love it , I love it , I love it , I love it , I love it , I love it ,
.So as a child, my father would have us have memory Bible verses. As a minister, every night
before we had family prayer, my father required us to share a Bible verse with the family.
That was one of the verses he had as our primary memory verse. John 1:12.
Amen, I'm just realizing that very does answer the question about power and salvation being
received in one instance.
Amen.
I think it is like a seed. Sometimes the seed is plants but people don't nurture it, or they grieve the Holy Spirit
with sin, or don't spend time in prayer or the WORD, and so they don't see that power. Then when they finally
set aside their sin, they find a greater expression of the Spirit, and they therefore conclude it is a 2nd filling.
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To each person his own, every “True Child of The Living GOD” has “The Parakletos” living in them, and “The Parakletos” will do what He is supposed to do for that Particular child.
And a child must Grow into “Sonship” and “GOD Has All kinds Of Children, and those children grow into all kinds of “sons” so pleases the FATHER.
And “The FATHER” is not a human being, neither does He act like one or think like one, neither are His thoughts Human, and a human is nothing but a corrupted creature, and by “Grace alone” he will be another creature that was “created in Christ Jesus”! “clothe in Righteousness” for ever and even and ever, every moment in Eternity where “That which was Temporay will be remember no more, not even know That The Tempory even existed. That Sin ever existed! Now That is Pure unadulterated “Righteousness” not knowing “Sin” or knowing its existence.
“for this too is “The inHeritance of The Saints of GOD”
“For We Are [Indicative] Will be; “THE GLORY of GOD” Manifested Through ALL ETERNITY! Growing “BRIGHTER and BRIGHTER” every Moment Throughout “ETERNITY” a place where there is no knowledge of sin ever existed.
All of this is “ Compounded“ in “The Volume” of “The Book” and in That “Volume” it is Revealed by “The Parakletos” That was Give unto us “A Special Group” a “Peculiar of GOD” Chosen by Him before All creation ever existed.
People of All kinds, alll ages, alll Colors, all kinds of minds, healthy, sickly, the learn, the unlearn, those who can read and those who cannot read, have not The Ability, those who can see, and those who see but are naturally blind, out of all kinds of “Nations” the educated the uneducated, the Dumb, the smart, the male and the female,
“Jesus is The Savior” of ALL kinds of People! though out The Whole World!
It Is By “Grace” we are Saved Through Faith! And That Faith is A “Gift” also by “GOD” not Earn. We “Cannot” do not have The Ability to even Muster up “Faith in GOD or Christ” unless It Has been given to us by GOD to be Saved by “GOD” less any man “SHOULD” Boast!
“For This is one of The perfect “Gifts” given to us from Above” that cannot fade away.
If you don’t read, so what, if you do read so what, That does not effect our “Salvation” but it may Affect our understanding of our salvation which we live here on planet Earth which is only “Temporary”!
We all see through a veil darkly but then “Face to Face”!
I am going to say it again for the unlearn who can read!
“BUT “FACE TO FACE” we are going to see HIM as He really is!
But I will say you have not seen HIM, But When You “See HIM, “FACE To FACE”
In That Hour You Will Have The Power and The Glory, The RIGHTEOUSNESS to See Him as He Really Is!I thank you for Priming this pump
NASB 1977
Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we shall be. We know that, when He appears, we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him just as He is.
And on that day you will know;
What does it mean to be set(made) free indeed?
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