What does Jesus mean when he says

[Quenton]

Go and sin no more?

Does he mean be sinless?

or try to not sin?

 

[Brighthouse]

This my brother may come a rather a shock to you!! LOL When Jesus died and rose again for us,he made a brand new covenant with all of his children!! Hebrews 8:6-13 This New covenant replaces the old law. And since there is no law anymore!! Are you ready for this one bro??? LOL This is no sin cast upon any of us!!! 0! NONE! Rom 5:13!! Where this is no law,there is no sin! Now does this mean we are free to do anything we wish now?? May it never be brother! We have been free from the law of sin,so we do not have to be sin thinking anymore.

For if we dwell upon sin,we commit sin! It cannot be helped.Hence why Jesus tells us to think upon these things!! ( philp 4:4-9!!) for by looking to now always please our Lord Jesus because we love him so much in all he has done!!Why would we sin anymore? Do we make mistakes?? Sure brother we do! But that is why the gospel of grace is preached,and lived for us all! Peter was rebuked by Paul because he took sides with the jews in an area.( Gal 2:11-21) But since galatins is only 6 chapters, please do read all of it! Chapter one talks about the gospel of grace,and how this always now applies to us believers, no matter what we think, or how we act.

Chapter 3 talks much about how many look to mix the law with grace,and it never works! The difference between the two Covenants could not be better discussed then by Gal 4:21-31! May this both encourge you brother,and change your mind to grace over any law of the world. It is not by any of our works we attain this,but by one requirment!! just one!! To BELIEVE!!!( hebrews 8:12!!) To those who believe,this holds effect,for those who look to saved from the law,then the law applies,but the problem under the law,is no one could ever keep it,except Jesus,so Jesus is the only man and God, who could both change the law to grace,and keep us always in him forver! Praise God!

So what is the will of God for us brother? To always be and stay thankful in all things!!( 1 thess 5:18) We stay thankful because we know, no matter what things look like God WILL!!!!supply all our needs!!( philp 4:19) because we believe and trust our Lord Jesus amen!

 

[El Hombre viejo]

This my brother may come a rather a shock to you!! LOL When Jesus died and rose again for us,he made a brand new covenant with all of his children!! Hebrews 8:6-13 This New covenant replaces the old law. And since there is no law anymore!! Are you ready for this one bro??? LOL This is no sin cast upon any of us!!! 0! NONE! Rom 5:13!! Where this is no law,there is no sin! Now does this mean we are free to do anything we wish now?? May it never be brother! We have been free from the law of sin,so we do not have to be sin thinking anymore.

For if we dwell upon sin,we commit sin! It cannot be helped.Hence why Jesus tells us to think upon these things!! ( philp 4:4-9!!) for by looking to now always please our Lord Jesus because we love him so much in all he has done!!Why would we sin anymore? Do we make mistakes?? Sure brother we do! But that is why the gospel of grace is preached,and lived for us all! Peter was rebuked by Paul because he took sides with the jews in an area.( Gal 2:11-21) But since galatins is only 6 chapters, please do read all of it! Chapter one talks about the gospel of grace,and how this always now applies to us believers, no matter what we think, or how we act.

Chapter 3 talks much about how many look to mix the law with grace,and it never works! The difference between the two Covenants could not be better discussed then by Gal 4:21-31! May this both encourge you brother,and change your mind to grace over any law of the world. It is not by any of our works we attain this,but by one requirment!! just one!! To BELIEVE!!!( hebrews 8:12!!) To those who believe,this holds effect,for those who look to saved from the law,then the law applies,but the problem under the law,is no one could ever keep it,except Jesus,so Jesus is the only man and God, who could both change the law to grace,and keep us always in him forver! Praise God!

So what is the will of God for us brother? To always be and stay thankful in all things!!( 1 thess 5:18) We stay thankful because we know, no matter what things look like God WILL!!!!supply all our needs!!( philp 4:19) because we believe and trust our Lord Jesus amen!

You're saying we should be righteousness minded instead of sin minded. GOOD for you!!

 

[Puddleglum]

So Holy Moses was nothing at all then, just as the 10 commandments is just total rubbish.

Was God just playing a sick joke on the OT people.

Jesus said he came not to abolish the commandments. so to me that's it end of story. and i don't believe a word of what some try to make out what Paul said. fact is Paul, even if he did say as such, has no right to over ride Jesus at all.

As for this deception of this conjuring up the mixing is just a slandering joke. it is not mixed at all but a "foundation" and it is used in true Christianity as such, as it has nothing to do with mixing at all.

One needs to have the Holy Spirit to understand how it works, or it can just come across as a deception of mixing. fact is Jesus would of said he came to abolish them all ? but he did not at all did he ! So they are "under Grace !" and if you understand what that is, you can see they are "under it", not mixed at all. and nothing to do with mixed at all, as that is a work of Satan.

Now Christians should know that the OT was a blue print of the NT and it is not something devoid of it, but one in all the same, but light it has been given to it in Jesus.
Jesus did not toss it away at all. and it is not a new religion at all, but the same one, but it was fulfilled. or we are mixing and making another jesus.
The Law does not go above Grace at all, never ! and it does not mix up to, or near or about, as it is always "under" and that is what under means underneath below and it does not just pop up, never never does it at all ! never. that is what Under Grace means " it's under Grace".

 

[David777]

Hello puddleglum.

What is it you are trying to say?

Are we saved because we believe in the
death and resurrection of Jesus Christ
or not?

 

[Puddleglum]

Hello puddleglum.

What is it you are trying to say?

Are we saved because we believe in the
death and resurrection of Jesus Christ
or not?

Even the Devil believes in Jesus, so is he saved to ?
The work of Satan is to lead one astray dear David. and he will do anything possible to rob one of something or everything.
We must be in Christ i say or we delude our selves. fact is we are not Saved as in a one off thing at all, but must remain in Christ to the end.
Remember how Satan tried to lead Christ Jesus astray, and see the way Christ dealt with this cunning ? and i think we should oppose this cunning at all times 24/7 be on guard, because if you let your guard down he will creep in underwears.
The Holy Spirit must be our primary guide so if it does not lead us, we are lost to Sin.
We only have to see how Satan has come against the Roman CC in history so the Protestants etc don't have a hope in hell of fending off Satan with such blazay actions thinking they have do noting at all, thinking they have won.
Fact is look around you and see Satan's workers leading all our nations down the drain, both body and Soul.
The DEVIL is on his way, and i see people calling them self's christians leading him in, Happy believing lies that they are saved OSAS doctrine of demons, and all the stupid hair brain rapture lies.
Repent ! for your righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees, or you can not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Mat 5:20 and Mat 6:33 Seek first the Kingdom of God. and Mat 7:6-29

 

[jiggyfly]

So Holy Moses was nothing at all then, just as the 10 commandments is just total rubbish.

Was God just playing a sick joke on the OT people.

Jesus said he came not to abolish the commandments. so to me that's it end of story. and i don't believe a word of what some try to make out what Paul said. fact is Paul, even if he did say as such, has no right to over ride Jesus at all.

As for this deception of this conjuring up the mixing is just a slandering joke. it is not mixed at all but a "foundation" and it is used in true Christianity as such, as it has nothing to do with mixing at all.

One needs to have the Holy Spirit to understand how it works, or it can just come across as a deception of mixing. fact is Jesus would of said he came to abolish them all ? but he did not at all did he ! So they are "under Grace !" and if you understand what that is, you can see they are "under it", not mixed at all. and nothing to do with mixed at all, as that is a work of Satan.

Now Christians should know that the OT was a blue print of the NT and it is not something devoid of it, but one in all the same, but light it has been given to it in Jesus.
Jesus did not toss it away at all. and it is not a new religion at all, but the same one, but it was fulfilled. or we are mixing and making another jesus.
The Law does not go above Grace at all, never ! and it does not mix up to, or near or about, as it is always "under" and that is what under means underneath below and it does not just pop up, never never does it at all ! never. that is what Under Grace means " it's under Grace".

Hello PG, read your post and was wondering why you chose to refer to only part of Jesus' statement about not abolishing the commandments and fail to mention that He also said He did indeed come to fulfill them?

It helps to understand what a covenant is when trying to understand Jesus' entire statement. God had made a contract with the Hebrew people through Moses stating that if they would follow all of the commandments given that He in return would give them great blessings. They agreed but could not live up to their part of the contract.

Jesus comes and rather than abolish the law and thus the blessings attached, He fulfills it and in return receives all the blessings which has become part of our inheritance in Him.

 

[jiggyfly]

Even the Devil believes in Jesus, so is he saved to ?
The work of Satan is to lead one astray dear David. and he will do anything possible to rob one of something or everything.
We must be in Christ i say or we delude our selves. fact is we are not Saved as in a one off thing at all, but must remain in Christ to the end.
Remember how Satan tried to lead Christ Jesus astray, and see the way Christ dealt with this cunning ? and i think we should oppose this cunning at all times 24/7 be on guard, because if you let your guard down he will creep in underwears.
The Holy Spirit must be our primary guide so if it does not lead us, we are lost to Sin.
We only have to see how Satan has come against the Roman CC in history so the Protestants etc don't have a hope in hell of fending off Satan with such blazay actions thinking they have do noting at all, thinking they have won.
Fact is look around you and see Satan's workers leading all our nations down the drain, both body and Soul.
The DEVIL is on his way, and i see people calling them self's christians leading him in, Happy believing lies that they are saved OSAS doctrine of demons, and all the stupid hair brain rapture lies.
Repent ! for your righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees, or you can not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Mat 5:20 and Mat 6:33 Seek first the Kingdom of God. and Mat 7:6-29

Let me finish out the scripture your quote cut short, actually I will just copy and paste it here for all to compare.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matt 6:33 (KJV)

You should consider posting all of the scripture statements rather posting them in part.

 

[Puddleglum]

Hello PG, read your post and was wondering why you chose to refer to only part of Jesus' statement about not abolishing the commandments and fail to mention that He also said He did indeed come to fulfill them?

It helps to understand what a covenant is when trying to understand Jesus' entire statement. God had made a contract with the Hebrew people through Moses stating that if they would follow all of the commandments given that He in return would give them great blessings. They agreed but could not live up to their part of the contract.

Jesus comes and rather than abolish the law and thus the blessings attached, He fulfills it and in return receives all the blessings which has become part of our inheritance in Him.

Contract ! no ! it's not a contract.

Jesus gives us the key to the Commandments.
Now if Jesus was to reject the Commandments the Jews would have every right to deal with him. but he did not did he.
Remember Jesus said mat 5:19
So in that we see that the commandments are a foundation not to be just brushed away like Satan would like to see done.
So you see where i am coming from ? i know the 10 don't bring one to Grace but Jesus shows how Grace works, it works in the Christian and one is not blinded by them at all, like the jew. but can see there true worth, because Grace is above all. and the 10 are not just thrown to the dogs. as that's just another religion all together like them of Moloch etc.
Faith without the works in Jesus is dead. show me faith without the works in Jesus. i get sick of slanderers that try to push the works of man, as the works in Jesus as the same. as one must abide in the vine, you see. or you will be cut off.
Holy Moses was not in vane as he was a servant of God.
Those of Balaam love the wages of wrong doing, they entice with sensual allurements of carnal passion. they promise you freedom. whereas they themselves are the slaves of corruption.
James 1:25-27 and 2:20 and look at take the time to study all of second Epistle of Peter.

 

[jiggyfly]

Contract ! no ! it's not a contract.

Jesus gives us the key to the Commandments.
Now if Jesus was to reject the Commandments the Jews would have every right to deal with him. but he did not did he.
Remember Jesus said mat 5:19
So in that we see that the commandments are a foundation not to be just brushed away like Satan would like to see done.
So you see where i am coming from ? i know the 10 don't bring one to Grace but Jesus shows how Grace works, it works in the Christian and one is not blinded by them at all, like the jew. but can see there true worth, because Grace is above all. and the 10 are not just thrown to the dogs. as that's just another religion all together like them of Moloch etc.
Faith without the works in Jesus is dead. show me faith without the works in Jesus. i get sick of slanderers that try to push the works of man, as the works in Jesus as the same. as one must abide in the vine, you see. or you will be cut off.
Holy Moses was not in vane as he was a servant of God.
Those of Balaam love the wages of wrong doing, they entice with sensual allurements of carnal passion. they promise you freedom. whereas they themselves are the slaves of corruption.
James 1:25-27 and 2:20 and look at take the time to study all of second Epistle of Peter.

Do you know what the Hebrew word bĕriyth or the Greek word diathēkē means? Many translators agree that both mean covenant. So do you know what covenant means?


cov·e·nant (kv-nnt)
n.
1. A binding agreement; a compact.
2. Law
a. A formal sealed agreement or contract.
b. A suit to recover damages for violation of such a contract.
3. In the Bible, God's promise to the human race.
v. cov·e·nant·ed, cov·e·nant·ing, cov·e·nants

v.tr.
To promise by or as if by a covenant.

v.intr.
To enter into a covenant.

So Yes indeed it was a contract.

 

[bgsda]

Hello all. Well i had to stop reading and had to say this. First Brighthouse the belief that we cannot sin is, how should I put it, a plain LIE. You and whoever believes in this is DECEIVED. MATT 1:21 states the whole purpose of Jesus " He came to save us from our sins" not in them. Wow this has got to he some new doctrine made up recently. So out goes SANCTIFICATION?

NEXT this new covenant what is it again. The only new covenant I read in the Bible is in Heb. 8:10, which was a prophecy told by Jeremiah I believe. But it does not say anything about abolishing NO Law, quite the contrary. See Paul new Moses law was done away with. NOW HES QUOTING THAT the new law is written in our minds. Just changed locations from stone to our minds. Be careful what you here from others, they can err too.

Pudddlegum give them time, let the Holy Spirit minister to them. We just have to keep praying for them. Remember Rev. 12:17/14:12/20:12. The Commandments are there still in the future. Most importantly what Christ said, Not one tittle. Have u guys studied that what it means?

 

[jiggyfly]

Most importantly what Christ said, Not one tittle. Have u guys studied that what it means?

Have you tried keeping it in context with the rest of Christ's statement?

You guys must quit taking bits and pieces out of their context to support your opinions.

Christ said,
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matt 5:18 (KJV)

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.
Matt 5:18 (NLT)

So when was the Law's purpose achieved or fulfilled?

Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.
Gal 3:19 (NLT)

Listen guys stop chopping up the scriptures to make them mean something different than intended.

 

[David777]

NEXT this new covenant what is it again. The only new covenant I read in the Bible is in Heb. 8:10, which was a prophecy told by Jeremiah I believe. But it does not say anything about abolishing NO Law, quite the contrary. See Paul new Moses law was done away with. NOW HES QUOTING THAT the new law is written in our minds. Just changed locations from stone to our minds. Be careful what you here from others, they can err too.

Hello bgsda.

The new covenant is the teaching of the New Testament.

Here are two verses where the new covenant is proclaimed.

Luke 22:20
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying,
“This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood."

1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying,
“This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it,
in remembrance of Me.”

 

[Puddleglum]

So you people believe that the Law is just total load of rubbish that has noting to do at all with anything, as you need no confess your sins as Christ will swallow them all up for you. so why bother with giving reverence to anything, you must be a god your self as you can do whatever you like, you are still saved regardless.
If one believes in Jesus he is saved ? now he only believes this but does he really know who Jesus is. does he abide in Jesus ? no ? just believes.
So if one just believes in Jesus, but does not do his work in the Spirit, then i think he will not be at the right hand but on the left with the Goats.
I think the Spirit is at the forefront in all we as Christians do, and if that is not the case, you are of Satan and just a worldly flesh person. playing the Goat. and what you do is slander our position on works and the commandments full on beyond belief, it;s just ridiculous. and you can't see it, you have to push a great big lie and guess what, it's people like so who believe they can tell lies and it does not matter because they are saved, so why bother,? this one is your motto. but we say repent of your sins and we are not pushing the 10. as in the vain you slander us with at all.

 

[Strypes]

"What does Jesus mean when He says.." is the title of this thread. The opening post, though wrought with grammatical errors, poses the question regarding what Jesus meant when He said to the woman caught in adultery, "Go and sin no more".

It seems to me that He (Jesus) was speaking to the woman and instructed her not to do what she was caught doing. I believe it was the seventh commandment that she was breaking. Being that it takes two to break that one, I have always wondered why the man was not also dragged out into the streets to be stoned as the woman was caught "in the very act".

But that is another discussion.



This thread is full of tidbits of wisdom but not much discussion about the opening post's question. The person (Quinton?) that started this thread has not partaken in the discussion since the OP. I wonder what his thoughts on our responses would be. I hope he comes back and responds.

 

[Strypes]

John 8: 2 Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. 3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?" 6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.

It is my opinion that we should ALWAYS consider the context.

Jesus said to them.."he who is without sin among you cast the first stone"... ONLY Jesus met that requirement. He was the only one there without sin and he chose mercy. We should do likewise.

 

[Strypes]

So you people believe that the Law is just total load of rubbish that has noting to do at all with anything, as you need no confess your sins as Christ will swallow them all up for you. so why bother with giving reverence to anything, you must be a god your self as you can do whatever you like, you are still saved regardless.
If one believes in Jesus he is saved ? now he only believes this but does he really know who Jesus is. does he abide in Jesus ? no ? just believes.
So if one just believes in Jesus, but does not do his work in the Spirit, then i think he will not be at the right hand but on the left with the Goats.
I think the Spirit is at the forefront in all we as Christians do, and if that is not the case, you are of Satan and just a worldly flesh person. playing the Goat. and what you do is slander our position on works and the commandments full on beyond belief, it;s just ridiculous. and you can't see it, you have to push a great big lie and guess what, it's people like so who believe they can tell lies and it does not matter because they are saved, so why bother,? this one is your motto. but we say repent of your sins and we are not pushing the 10. as in the vain you slander us with at all.

The sheep and the goats passage is one of my favorites to discuss with people that adhere to "works" doctrines like the Jehovah's Witnesses do. Let us consider that passage.

31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' 40 And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' 41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' 44 Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?' 45 Then he will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

To feed the hungry (real food/ not give them a magazine and call it "spiritual food"), to give drink to one who is thirsty, to show hospitality to strangers, to provide clothes to those who lack them, to visit (for the purpose of encouragement) the sick and imprisoned, these are the actions that separate the sheep from the goats.

It amazes me that those that proclaim a "works" based theology, like the Jehovah's witnesses, do not do any of the things on which Jesus places emphasis. The Jehovah's witnesses even forbid their followers to do the very things Jesus mentions in this passage. Their "world wide work" fund (their quote/unquote "charity") is anything but charity. It's purpose (as put fourth to their congregations) is to provide literature to congregations that do not have the funds to buy their own and to build kingdom halls around the world. ..

I have to go.. I will try to finish this later.. My daughter needs me to take her to work... BBL

 

[Strypes]

I'm back.

The passage btw is Matthew chapter 25.

So where was I.. oh yes, the sheep and the goats..

The works of "works based salvation" organizations like the Jehovah's witnesses are to "do the doors" which is "the field service ministry" which consist of going door to door with their magazines in hopes of getting some gullible soul to agree to a "Bible Study" in which they will systematically attempt to get them to deny the Holy Spirit by insisting the "study" place their trust in the governing body* of the organization to provide them "spiritual food at the proper time".. and usurping the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of the individual. The "Home Bible Study" does not study the Bible. They study the magazines and cherry pick scriptures (almost always out of context) to convince the "study" that only they have "the truth".

*They used to say (old light) that those of the 144000 "anointed/ heavenly class" currently still alive here on earth were the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matthew 24 and that those folks were the ones that provide the "spiritual food at the proper time"(through the magazines, but that (false) doctrine has "new light" and now it is the Governing body (a dozen or so men in Brooklyn) that are the "Faithful and discreet slave".....

Back to the sheep and the goats...

Their "charitable fund" aka the world wide work fund, provides absolutely none of the things Jesus mentions in the passage in Matthew 25 They do not even help the people in their own congregations. No help for the homeless. No help for the needy. No financial help with rent or utilities. No food pantrys. Nothing at all.

Additionally, those that do help people in need like the Salvation Army, the Red Cross, St. Vincent De Paul, ministries that drill water wells, and local church ministries, are demonized by the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses are forbidden to support those that do help others. All the churches of christendom (the methodist, baptist, lutherns etc) are considered in league with satan by the Watchtower organization.

So, who are the sheep (the ones helping others) and who are the goats (the ones that do not help others)?

I think the answer is obivious.

 

[Strypes]

So you people believe that the Law is just total load of rubbish that has noting to do at all with anything, as you need no confess your sins as Christ will swallow them all up for you. so why bother with giving reverence to anything, you must be a god your self as you can do whatever you like, you are still saved regardless.
If one believes in Jesus he is saved ? now he only believes this but does he really know who Jesus is. does he abide in Jesus ? no ? just believes.
So if one just believes in Jesus, but does not do his work in the Spirit, then i think he will not be at the right hand but on the left with the Goats.
I think the Spirit is at the forefront in all we as Christians do, and if that is not the case, you are of Satan and just a worldly flesh person. playing the Goat. and what you do is slander our position on works and the commandments full on beyond belief, it;s just ridiculous. and you can't see it, you have to push a great big lie and guess what, it's people like so who believe they can tell lies and it does not matter because they are saved, so why bother,? this one is your motto. but we say repent of your sins and we are not pushing the 10. as in the vain you slander us with at all.

The comment above about Jesus "swallow them (sins) all up for you"... well Jesus did pray in the garden for "this cup" to pass..

Matthew 26:39 And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will."

So in a figurative sense, Jesus did "swallow" that cup by enduring the cross.

The comment above, "but does he really know who Jesus is".. Well, Jesus (the real Jesus) is definitely NOT Michael the Arch Angel.

 

[Strypes]

I would like to apologize for so many separate post in this thread. (this one will be like #6) but I was reading back through my post and realized I failed to make a point that I wanted to make regarding the supposed purpose of "the world wide work fund"..

Those in the Jehovah's Witnesses congregations believe their money is going to provide magazines and kingdom halls around the globe when in reality, that money is paying out judgements against their organization due to deaths occurring because of their ban on blood transfusions and liabilities due to their practice of protecting pedophiles (two witnesses to a crime rule) and their failure to report child molesters/abuse in their congregations to authorities. Most of the rank and file witnesses do not have a clue because they are forbidden to even consider any "negative press" regarding the organization.