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Yet the pedo problem is highly prevalent in the Catholic "church". There's LGB+ "priests" infect it.
Reaching for a straw.
Where is your apology?
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Yet the pedo problem is highly prevalent in the Catholic "church". There's LGB+ "priests" infect it.
If on the bedroom wall I had a picture of my ex-girlfriend and a picture of my wife with those (obelisk/cross) proportions I would have an ex-wife.Misleading! There is a large cross that sits on top of it.
Nothing of the sort.Reaching for a straw.
Where is your apology?
If on the bedroom wall I had a picture of my ex-girlfriend and a picture of my wife with those (obelisk/cross) proportions I would have an ex-wife.
Nothing of the sort.
Those "priests" are numerous enough they're easy to find.
Still no excuse on Indugences we see.
There's PLENTY to show the truth about them.
Why so obsessed?
People who are usually "offended" are:
Guilty of something.
Part of something.
Lying/hiding something.
Approve of the bad thing
Care for someone who does the first four.
tradition, the religiosity of the ceremonies feels good to some people.True indeed, the purgatory is false doctrine, which makes we wonder why do we hold on to many catholic teachings when we know they present things to us that is not in the scriptures.
Non-OSAS implies that:
Person A can repent and be used by God to serve Him for 2hrs, after which they receive eternal bliss.
Person B can repent and be used by God to serve Him for 50 years, after which they stumble terribly in year 51 and receive eternal punishment.
That makes God terribly unjust, unless of course person B gets a second chance in Purgatory.
Sigh... Enter doom.Short answer: The Bible says nothing about purgatory.
I guess Admin @Chad fired his shot and moved on? Because I'm laughing at "Got Questions dot org". My second thought was, "here comes everyone else examining the doctrine of what they found online", when Saint James chapter 1, The Word says: (NABRE)But since many people believe in purgatory, we should examine the doctrine in light of Scripture.
According to the Catholic Encyclopedia [...] Is the doctrine of purgatory in agreement with the Bible? Absolutely not!
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Oiginal article: What does the Bible say about purgatory? | GotQuestions.org
Is there a point?Whilst this is mostly true, it is also true that God:
A. Blessed us with high intelligence Heb 2:7
B. Gifted us with the knowledge of good and evil Gen 3:22
C. Wants us to judge Him and be thoroughly convinced that He is good and just.
1. Isaiah 1:18
“Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD…”
2. Romans 12:2
“…that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
3. 1 Thessalonians 5:21
“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”
4. Acts 17:11
The Bereans examined the Scriptures daily to determine whether Paul's teaching was true.
5. Romans 3:4
“…that thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.”
6. Ezekiel 18:25
“Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?”
7. Genesis 18:25
“Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
8. Psalm 34:8
“O taste and see that the LORD is good…”
9. Psalm 145:17
“The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”
10. Romans 14:5
“…Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.”
At the very end of the sctipture we locate a reminder not to add nor to subtract from the Holy Word of Yehovah. The scriptures indicate Paradise, the only posible Purgatory mention, is emptied out,,, closed at the Resurrection of Yashua.Sigh... Enter doom.
I guess Admin @Chad fired his shot and moved on? Because I'm laughing at "Got Questions dot org". My second thought was, "here comes everyone else examining the doctrine of what they found online", when Saint James chapter 1, The Word says: (NABRE)
5 But if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God who gives to all generously and ungrudgingly, and he will be given it.
6 But he should ask in faith, not doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed about by the wind.
Obviously, this is just two verses, but Christians only argue with each other about who God loves the most when none of us stop to ask God in prayer what He, the Truth has to say on anything.
Speaking of, I read to the bottom of page 1, then noted OP has nothing to chime in with. I suppose that's fine if we go along with "as long as you bend the knee and confess that Jesus Christ is LORD (of lords, King of kings, GOD above existence), you'll all be okay.
So whatever a Christian of the Roman Catholic flavor did to you, @Chad , you must forgive them all for whatever bothers you concerning "Purgatory". I err on the side of Hope (God's Divine Mercy) when it comes to such a thought process. And it is a process that is, quite frankly, beyond our copies of The Gospel of Christ. Those "tough questions" people ask about the countless that have not heard a particle of the Gospel in this life. God already claimed every child ever as His - in Heaven. Try innocence? Not you, but God.
So, naysayers, if you want to behave like God has no interest in mercy or justice or any sliver of goodness for situations only God can handle... go argue with ancient grammar about Paradise and Heaven and lost books or how tall all the Nephilim are. That's fine, the Gospel is not a college course with a doctorate. How dare any of us think like this?
I will give credit where it's due: Thank you Orthodoxy, as I lovingly call Red and Blue Team, for your ancient Saints keeping the few precious records we have safe enough to read today as The Word of God. Because we can always just ask God and expect His response.
A place or situation like "Purgatory" makes sense because Jesus loves you. You don't have the monopoly on playing hopscotch buffet with the Holy Book in your hand to justify any thing.
How about we fast and Talk to Jesus and report back in a week about "purgatory"? That would be nice.
A cherry picking list if anyone here ever saw one.If you read my post # 6 you would find that Catholics can make a sound case for you, a non-OSAS believer completely and utterly misrepresenting God as unjust.
If you had to share your beliefs, I am sure I could make many more such misrepresentations of God and scripture.
I am not asking you to accept Catholic teaching or be a Catholic. Only to follow scripture that instructs us to properly judge all matters. Including the beliefs of others.
- John 7:24 instructs us to judge with righteous judgment rather than according to appearance.
- 1 Thessalonians 5:21 instructs us to test all things and hold fast to what is good.
- Proverbs 18:13 warns against answering a matter before hearing it fully.
- Proverbs 18:17 reminds us that the first side of an argument may seem right until it is examined.
- Acts 17:11 commends the Bereans for examining the Scriptures daily to determine whether Paul's teaching was true.
- Romans 14:13 warns against judging one another in a way that becomes a stumbling block.
- 2 Corinthians 4:2 speaks against deceit and distorting the word of God.
- Exodus 20:16 prohibits bearing false witness against our neighbour.
A cherry picking list if anyone here ever saw one.
To properly use verses, the preceding AND following related verses MUST be used.
10 CHRISTIAN GROUPS AND THEIR BIBLE BOOK TOTALS
1. Protestant
66 Books
2. Roman Catholic
73 Books
3. Armenian Apostolic Orthodox
75 Books (commonly cited)
4. Greek Orthodox
76–78 Books
5. Russian Orthodox
77 Books (commonly cited)
6. Georgian Orthodox
76–79 Books (depending on counting)
7. Serbian Orthodox
76–77 Books (depending on edition)
8. Indian Orthodox (Malankara)
Approximately 77 Books
9. Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo
81 Books
10. Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo
81 Books
Look at that. So who is right?
I know there is a list of things that all agree on but most of what Catholics do, everyone else does not.
Pope Gregory I
In AD 601, Pope Gregory the Great gave instructions to missionaries converting the Anglo-Saxons in Britain.
His directions included:
Still waiting on your response to Indulgences.
- Preserve suitable pagan temples rather than demolish them.
- Destroy the pagan idols inside.
- Purify the temples with holy water.
- Install Christian altars and saints' relics.
- Replace pagan sacrificial celebrations with Christian religious feasts.
- Allow people to retain certain familiar celebrations while changing their religious meaning.
So by their belief, sweet ol' Granma could be a devout Catholic most of her life and has ONE bad day, get's mad, does some very sinful stuff, has a heart attack and dies.
Guess she's going DOWN. But wait!!! The living can "Pay money" to the CC to get her out of "Purgatory" faster.
In other words, over a long time the saints have excess so that goes into a "pot" and people in "Purgatory" can get some of it but ONLY if living relatives pay money to the CC.
The Bible contains no explicit instructions for granting indulgences, nor does it describe the Catholic system of partial and plenary indulgences.
Nowhere in the Bible does God command Christians to make, carry, or pray the Rosary. There are no biblical instructions for its construction or use.
As I've stated there are more but just ONE of these is plenty of evidence to NOT be Catholic and simply leads into a long road of what they continue to do wrong.|
Is there a point?