What is 'Perfect' or 'Perfection'?

[Br. Bear]

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

a bit like this, Dave?

Bless you ....><>

 

[KingJ]

To keep showing the "skin" who is boss.
Also for help to grow in grace and knowledge.
Or perhaps for an answer to a question: like...How does the man reborn of God's seed interpret 1 John 1:8?
Or maybe just to show God how much you love Him.

Why does the man who is still a servant of sin fast?
Does he really think God will give him anything?

Why do you need to show the 'skin' who is boss?

 

[KingJ]

Why does the man who is still a servant of sin fast?
Does he really think God will give him anything?

Care to define 'servant'.

 

[At Peace]

Why do you need to show the 'skin' who is boss?

To manifest that it has was killed at baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sins. (Rom 6:3-6)
We now walk in the Spirit instead of the "flesh", so can show the power of God by "chastening" the "skin".

BTW, it isn't a "need".
It is a privilege.

 

[At Peace]

Care to define 'servant'.

As Romans 6:16-18 illustrates..."Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.".
This corroberates Jesus' words in John 8:34 too..."Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."
We don't need to serve sin anymore.
Thanks be to God!

 

[Br. Bear]

Why do you need to show the 'skin' who is boss?

To manifest that it has was killed at baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sins. (Rom 6:3-6)
We now walk in the Spirit instead of the "flesh", so can show the power of God by "chastening" the "skin".

BTW, it isn't a "need".
It is a privilege.

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Romans 6:13-15

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. Jude 1:25

 

[KingJ]

To manifest that it has was killed at baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sins. (Rom 6:3-6)
We now walk in the Spirit instead of the "flesh", so can show the power of God by "chastening" the "skin".

BTW, it isn't a "need".
It is a privilege.

If it was killed you don't need to show it who is boss. You are making two separate points now. 1. You said 'show it who is boss'. 2. We fast because the spirit is boss.

If point 2, there should be absolutely no ''showing''. I hope you understand your contradiction. Unless you are now accepting the flesh is a weakness, which would then prompt me to ask you to define its weakness.

Then you say it is a privilege? What do you mean by that?

 

[KingJ]

As Romans 6:16-18 illustrates..."Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.".
This corroberates Jesus' words in John 8:34 too..."Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."
We don't need to serve sin anymore.
Thanks be to God!

Someone who hates what is sinful, but still commits a sin now and then is a not a servant of sin.

Would you stand up and voice your disagreement with your daughters marriage. As you suspect the guy may think of other woman? You will be completely oblivious to the depth of intent it takes for him to make a life time dedication to her? To stand at the altar and say his vows?

I know what your reply is going to be. I guess I am just hoping in vein that you would be able to use common sense and lateral thought. Heck, even 1% of honesty as to the sins you committed today. What still has me not taking any discussion with you serious, is you having the audacity to compare yourself to Mother Theresa (even run her down). Your flesh needs a lot of fasting from its pride. That is crystal clear.

 

[At Peace]

If it was killed you don't need to show it who is boss. You are making two separate points now. 1. You said 'show it who is boss'. 2. We fast because the spirit is boss.

If they sound like two different points, they are.
The flesh has been killed by it's immersion into Christ's death, and now we can illustrate out walk in the Spirit .

If point 2, there should be absolutely no ''showing''. I hope you understand your contradiction. Unless you are now accepting the flesh is a weakness, which would then prompt me to ask you to define its weakness.

If you were healed of cancer, would it be a contradiction to walk in a "stop cancer" parade?
I celebrate the death of the flesh by my dominion over it.
In doing so, I grow closer to God.

]Then you say it is a privilege? What do you mean by that?

If I still walked after the flesh, and was in service to sin, I wouldn't have dominion over my skin, nor over the affections and lusts that were crucified with Christ. (Gal 5:24)
I am a new creature, with power I didn't possess before my repentance from sin and reception of the Holy Ghost.
Praise be to God!

 

[At Peace]

Someone who hates what is sinful, but still commits a sin now and then is a not a servant of sin.

Jesus wasn't a liar. (John 8:34)

Would you stand up and voice your disagreement with your daughters marriage. As you suspect the guy may think of other woman? You will be completely oblivious to the depth of intent it takes for him to make a life time dedication to her? To stand at the altar and say his vows?

My daughter would never marry anyone outside of Christ.
That is the kind of man you suggest.
I wouldn't need to stop a wedding to this type of man.

I know what your reply is going to be. I guess I am just hoping in vein that you would be able to use common sense and lateral thought. Heck, even 1% of honesty as to the sins you committed today. What still has me not taking any discussion with you serious, is you having the audacity to compare yourself to Mother Theresa (even run her down). Your flesh needs a lot of fasting from its pride. That is crystal clear.

It seems odd to me to be chastened for believing Christ conquered sin by someone who doesn't seem to believe He did.

It is written..."Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God." (1 Peter 4:1)
Why don't you think anyone can "arm themselves with the same mind"?

 

[KingJ]

Jesus wasn't a liar. (John 8:34)


My daughter would never marry anyone outside of Christ.
That is the kind of man you suggest.
I wouldn't need to stop a wedding to this type of man.


It seems odd to me to be chastened for believing Christ conquered sin by someone who doesn't seem to believe He did.

It is written..."Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God." (1 Peter 4:1)
Why don't you think anyone can "arm themselves with the same mind"?

I am so tired of ''''talking''' to you and reading your lies.

There is that thing called evidence. Works. What works have you done for God?

Why have I not heard of this perfect person who fulfills the second commandment to love others perfectly?

I am guessing this morning you woke up in a luxurious to most bed. In a luxurious to most house. In a luxurious to most suburb. In a country where you are hardly persecuted. You had a nice breakfast, read the paper, watched some television, listened to the radio, before you even thought about serving God or your someone else. Then you jump onto the internet to tell all how perfect you are and that you do not sin. How bad Mother Theresa was. You invite me to come and visit you and marvel at your greatness. You are likely keen to show others how your perfect prayers heal the sick and raise the dead. How everyone must listen to you when you speak.

No, brother, you are simply not seeing things for what they are. God does not use you for anything 'material' because He does not believe you can do anything 'material' for Him. I am not insulting you. It is the same with me. There is a reason you and I are but a fraction of Mother Theresa and David.

I like how God said of David ''there is a guy that I can use to do anything I want''. Does God say that of you and I? Uhm a resounding NO. He says of us ''they are indeed faithful and have accepted Jesus''. But they are not as faithful as others who serve me. That is why, I will not stumble them. I will not give them what they cannot handle. Lets just face reality. We serve God where He places us...He places us where He does...because He knows what to expect of us. Which in yours and my cases, is not a smidget on Mother Theresa or David or Paul or Peter. We are but a fraction of these names.

This does not mean we are not saved and do not desire to serve God. It just means we are not as perfect in obeying the second commandment as others are.

So, no more talk pleeeeeaaaase. Link me to pages where I will see evidence of you perfectly fulfilling the second commandment.

 

[Dave M]

loving your neighbor as yourself is a reality check of how far we are from being holly IMO. I see some people say they are perfect yet when a pray request comes on TJ I never see some people respond I have to ask is that obeying the second greatest of all commandments ?? I fail at it sometimes as well so please know I am pointing fingers at myself when I say this.

 

[Br. Bear]

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. Titus 1:15

Greetings men,

I would like to ask and say perhaps in one stroke, why it is that some find great difficulty accepting a man who has a clear conscience before God?

Speaking of conscience, here are a few Scriptures that perhaps will speak more clearly than i can make use of words:

For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward. 2Corinthians 1:12

But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 2Corinthians 4:2

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. 2Corinthians 5:11

Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 1Timothy 1:5

Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 1Timothy 3:9

Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: 1Timothy 1:19

and as this thread is discussing that which is perfect or perfection:

Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Hebrews 9:9

How much more shall the blood of Christ, Who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Hebrews 9:14
therefore...
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Hebrews 10:22

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 1Peter 3:15-16

For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 1Peter 2:19

Before re-opening this thread, i would ask that you all read these Scriptures and consider them before God, before continuing in this thread in any manner but that which is fitting from those who would call themselves by that holy name, Jesus Christ, Christians.

And in order to say one thing more I ask the Scriptures to do it for me:

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Or despisest thou the riches of His goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God. Romans 2:1-11


Bless you all ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

@KingJ

Greetings,

I will ask you here to cease from this line of fruitless questioning of another Member. It is unprofitable and unacceptable.

I realise that you are perhaps not the only Member to raise questions against the Member 'At Peace' and I notice that at times there are some who have appeared to like and support your hard-line questions.
I do not claim to know your motives, but.....

you have been asked, now, to cease.

Please also attempt to set an example in your future postings and if you would be so kind, please re-consider what this thread is about and address that.

Constant harassment against any Member at TalkJesus is not tolerated.

I am so tired of ''''talking''' to you and reading your lies.

There is that thing called evidence. Works. What works have you done for God?

Why have I not heard of this perfect person who fulfills the second commandment to love others perfectly?

I am guessing this morning you woke up in a luxurious to most bed. In a luxurious to most house. In a luxurious to most suburb. In a country where you are hardly persecuted. You had a nice breakfast, read the paper, watched some television, listened to the radio, before you even thought about serving God or your someone else. Then you jump onto the internet to tell all how perfect you are and that you do not sin. How bad Mother Theresa was. You invite me to come and visit you and marvel at your greatness. You are likely keen to show others how your perfect prayers heal the sick and raise the dead. How everyone must listen to you when you speak.

No, brother, you are simply not seeing things for what they are. God does not use you for anything 'material' because He does not believe you can do anything 'material' for Him. I am not insulting you. It is the same with me. There is a reason you and I are but a fraction of Mother Theresa and David.

I like how God said of David ''there is a guy that I can use to do anything I want''. Does God say that of you and I? Uhm a resounding NO. He says of us ''they are indeed faithful and have accepted Jesus''. But they are not as faithful as others who serve me. That is why, I will not stumble them. I will not give them what they cannot handle. Lets just face reality. We serve God where He places us...He places us where He does...because He knows what to expect of us. Which in yours and my cases, is not a smidget on Mother Theresa or David or Paul or Peter. We are but a fraction of these names.

This does not mean we are not saved and do not desire to serve God. It just means we are not as perfect in obeying the second commandment as others are.

So, no more talk pleeeeeaaaase. Link me to pages where I will see evidence of you perfectly fulfilling the second commandment.

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@At Peace

Greetings,

I would like you to please ignore the questions in the post quoted above.
Continuing this line of conversation is in-necessary to the thread and I do not agree that any one Member here at TalkJesus is obliged to reply with any answers to such personal questioning in order to justify their stand before God.

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To all,

Having read through the thread and others with similar lines of questioning, I would like to make it quite clear to everyone that this sort of back and forth where a Member (no matter who) is publicly interrogated will not be tolerated.

What I have seen is that too many have made some stupid choices in their manner of communicating and while I have (above) appeared to single out one Member (KingJ) it is not in order to make an example of him. What I have said to him goes for all.

TalkJesus is here for fellowship where we can build each other up in fellowship and love. Over the years many have come and gone, some have stayed and many have been banned for various reasons but predominantly for simply ignoring the very simple purpose of the Forums, being a safe Christian community where we as Members can share in all the Lord has done for us and to encourage one another as often as we will, for the Glory and Praise of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, to Whom be glory and praise and dominion and power, both now and ever.

The Grace and Lovingkindness of God has been shown to most of us here at TalkJesus. Let us try to reciprocate it.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings all,

in regards to the OP and title of this thread, may I add some more Scriptures in order to further this discussion?

Thou shalt not have in thy bag divers weights, a great and a small.
Thou shalt not have in thine house divers measures, a great and a small.

But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God. Dueteronomy 25:13-16

And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith He that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Revelation 3:1-6

In the Dueteronomy 25 text we see 'perfect' in relation to measures. We also see consequences of doing righteously or not.

Here is the whole of Dueteronomy 25 and i recommend reading it in order to understand more clearly the context as well as perhaps see other wonderful things in Scripture:

1If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked. 2And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face, according to his fault, by a certain number. 3Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee. 4Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn. 5If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her. 6And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel. 7And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother.

8Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;

9Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house. 10And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed. 11When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: 12Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her. 13Thou shalt not have in thy bag divers weights, a great and a small.

14Thou shalt not have in thine house divers measures, a great and a small. 15But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 16For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God. 17Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt;

18How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God. 19Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.

AND reading even further, Chapter 26 opens up this whole idea of 'perfect' even more.

1And it shall be, when thou art come in unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and possessest it, and dwellest therein; 2That thou shalt take of the first of all the fruit of the earth, which thou shalt bring of thy land that the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt put it in a basket, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name there. 3And thou shalt go unto the priest that shall be in those days, and say unto him, I profess this day unto the LORD thy God, that I am come unto the country which the LORD sware unto our fathers for to give us. 4And the priest shall take the basket out of thine hand, and set it down before the altar of the LORD thy God. 5And thou shalt speak and say before the LORD thy God, A Syrian ready to perish was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous: 6And the Egyptians evil entreated us, and afflicted us, and laid upon us hard bondage: 7And when we cried unto the LORD God of our fathers, the LORD heard our voice, and looked on our affliction, and our labor, and our oppression: 8And the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders: 9And he hath brought us into this place, and hath given us this land, even a land that floweth with milk and honey. 10And now, behold, I have brought the firstfruits of the land, which thou, O LORD, hast given me. And thou shalt set it before the LORD thy God, and worship before the LORD thy God: 11And thou shalt rejoice in every good thing which the LORD thy God hath given unto thee, and unto thine house, thou, and the Levite, and the stranger that is among you. 12When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;

13Then thou shalt say before the LORD thy God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of mine house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten them. 14I have not eaten thereof in my mourning, neither have I taken away ought thereof for any unclean use, nor given ought thereof for the dead: but I have hearkened to the voice of the LORD my God, and have done according to all that thou hast commanded me. 15Look down from thy holy habitation, from heaven, and bless thy people Israel, and the land which thou hast given us, as thou swarest unto our fathers, a land that floweth with milk and honey. 16This day the LORD thy God hath commanded thee to do these statutes and judgments: thou shalt therefore keep and do them with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. 17Thou hast avouched the LORD this day to be thy God, and to walk in his ways, and to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and to hearken unto his voice: 18And the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments;

19And to make thee high above all nations which he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honor; and that thou mayest be an holy people unto the LORD thy God, as he hath spoken.

The passage from Revelation, in some ways, speaks for itself. "He that hath an ear, let him hear".


Bless you ....><>

 

[KingJ]

I agree, my post above could have been better worded. It showed frustration. But you need to also cater for some degrees of heat. In many Christian forums the proud, positive and boastful Christians are running the show. They shut down any who oppose them. I can count only a few that I still consider ''Christian''.

My absolute point to Peace, or anyone else who believes they are perfect is to consider the second commandment, 'to love others as yourself'.

We can say we are perfect, but if we drive past an orphanage in a Ferrari, we are far from it.
We can say we are perfect, but if we fill our tummies before our hungry neighbor's, we are far from it.
We can say we are perfect, but if we are ignorant to the needs of the needy, we are far from it.

When we consider people like Mother Theresa we see humility and a love for others that most of us do not come close too. She was evidence of scales of perfection. On which we are all probably 1-5% of her.

It is just hilarious to hear something like immoral thoughts being yelled at from on high as a sign of imperfection, when no mention is made of not helping an orphan. I am exposing a log in the eye of those who see a speck in mine. Mind you there is also a log in mine as I am also but a fraction of Mother Theresa.

If anyone had watched the ''Machine Gun Preacher'' you will know exactly what I am talking about. There are too many Christians like those who refused to help him. Too busy with their ''Christianity''. Let me expand on that. We are too busy getting rich. Too busy being self righteous. Too busy being positive. To busy playing Christianity.

There is simply no nice way to word this.

This discussion needs to be seen in the light of Prov 27:6 Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.

If you can dedicate every second of your day to God's will, helping others and not fulfilling any lust of the flesh, then you can say you are close to perfect. Only God can say He is perfect.

 

[At Peace]

I agree, my post above could have been better worded.
My absolute point to Peace, or anyone else who believes they are perfect is to consider the second commandment, 'to love others as yourself'.

We can say we are perfect, but if we drive past an orphanage in a Ferrari, we are far from it.
We can say we are perfect, but if we fill our tummies before our hungry neighbor's, we are far from it.
We can say we are perfect, but if we are ignorant to the needs of the needy, we are far from it.

I agree whole-heartedly with your "measure" of perfection.
What you fail to acknowledge is that we are capable of meeting your standards.
Those who have given up their previous lives, in order to live the new one granted us by rebirth, do just as you envision.

Do you want to help?
Of course, to live your "vision" one must also live without lying and stealing; murder and adultery; hate and greed; racism and spite.etc.
Fortunately, God has enabled us to do just that.
I pray in Jesus' name that you will endevour to know God, and His mind further.
God won't leave you hanging in the breeze if you are ready to pursue perfection.