What is the resurrection?

[B-A-C]

I will try to keep this as a separate discussion from the rapture and such if possible.

However the Bible has several verses that talk about the resurrection "on the last day".
Some Christians believe you go be in Heaven immediately when you die.
Other Christians believe you don't go to heaven immediately, however you go to Paradise or Abrahams bosom (or even purgatory) and then later
you go to heaven.
Some people believe you lie in the ground "asleep" until the resurrection.

If that's not complicated enough,...

Some believe that only your Spirit immediately goes to paradise or heaven (not the same place) and that your body is resurrected later.
Some I guess the question is... is the resurrection only your body? Or it is your entire being spirit and flesh, or is it only your spirit.

There are also a number of verses that talk about a new glorified body and that the old earthly tent (corruptible and perishable) cannot inherit
heaven, and that we will be given new bodies. One verse specifically says during the rapture, we will be changed in the twinkling of an eye.
If these verses are correct, then it seems our earthly bodies cannot ever enter into heaven. If this is the case, how can the resurrection be
only the body?

 

[rag4aCrown]

Greetings in the Lord Jesus;
Jesus told the woman (Mary I think) after He was risen, but yet had not ascended, got tell His disciples, and do not touch me yet, for I have not ascended.
One of the disciples told Mary, he would not believe unless it could see the wounds un which had been inflicted on Him.
And when they had went and Jesus came to the supper, He told him to touch him; thrust your hand into my side, see my hands.
Afterwards, Christ ascended unto the Father.

Do you believe Jesus rose from the dead?
Yes, I do; and when this body falls to the earth; He will raise me up too. Why? Because I believe His Word.
He is in me, I am in Him and we go unto the Father.
Christ body did not see the grave of corruption and neither will mine.
However, I also believe it is important to recognize that only those that are IN Him, have entered the door THROUGH Him; will ascend into heaven where the Father is.
Many are called; but few are chosen.
Many will the broad and wide that leads to everlasting destruction; but few will find the straight and narrow.
I believe our corruptible, mortal body changes after final judgment of everlasting life into immortal beings.
If we are judged corrupt, evil vessels we are sent to everlasting damnation, in the corrupt vessel, where the fire is never quenched and the worm never stop eating.

What gloom it is for one to believe we will lay in the grave and rot. This is an untruth.
Do you believe the Word of God or not?
If God would not allow Christ body to see corruption; why would He allow Him IN us to go and see corruption?
We are not separate from HIM; We are ONE.

Everyone has eaten the lies of the false teachers for so long, nobody knows what to believe, they are even to scared to speak.
I BELIEVE GOD. I BELIEVE HIS WORD. I BELIEVE CHRIST ROSE FROM THE DEAD.
I BELIEVE HE is in me, I am in HIM, and we go unto the Father. Just like the Word says. Amen.
All praise, glory and honor be to God. Amen.

 

[RJ]

• First and foremost , with regards to the resurrected body, Jesus "showed the way" again. After death, he came back to the physical world in his glorified resurrected body.

1. Doors were closed and he just appeared before the Apostles; not once but twice. Walk through walls?
2. He was immediately recognizable as Jesus.
3. We know that He had a body of flesh and bone. Jesus told the disciples, “Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have” (Luke 24:39).
4. We also know that Jesus ate food. Imagine the surprise of the disciples when the risen Lord appeared to them and then said, “Have you any food here?” What?” they must have been thinking. But they gave Jesus a piece of broiled fish and some honeycomb, and He ate it (see Luke 24:41–43). I like to think you can eat when ever you want and never gain an ounce!
5. He could be physically touched. Then, when Jesus appeared to the disciples in the Upper Room, He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing” (John 20:27). This tells us that in His resurrected body, Jesus still wore the marks of the crucifixion. And He will wear those marks, even in eternity (see Zechariah 12:10).
   
   You asked: If this is the case, how can the resurrection be only the body? It's not! It is truly something mysterious and wonderful. It can transcend both the physical and spiritual realm at ease.
   God is in his real but where is that?
   He says that he is spirit and we must worship him in spirit and truth.
   When you die, your body remains on the earth where it began and you go back to the spirit world from where you came from.
   Your in the spirit realm, God's realm and in it, there is no waiting for anything. In God's realm there is no time space continum that dictates our physical world. Glorification is perfection; your glorified body is perfection, nothing less will do for God's realm. We will see him face to face and know him as well as he knows us! What a heaven!
   
   
   

 

[B-A-C]

1 Cor 15:12; Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1 Cor 15:13; But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised;
1 Cor 15:14; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
1 Cor 15:15; Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.
1 Cor 15:16; For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;
1 Cor 15:17; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
1 Cor 15:18; Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. (fallen asleep? As in not aware of yourself?)
1 Cor 15:22; For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. (right away? Or eventually?)
1 Cor 15:23; But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,
1 Cor 15:40; There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another.
1 Cor 15:42; So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body;
1 Cor 15:43; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
1 Cor 15:44; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1 Cor 15:50; Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
1 Cor 15:51; Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
1 Cor 15:52; in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
1 Cor 15:53; For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Eph 5:14; For this reason it says, "Awake, sleeper, And arise from the dead, And Christ will shine on you." (Are the dead really asleep in the grave for a time?)

1 Thes 4:14; For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
1 Thes 4:15; For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. (Why are the dead still in their graves at this time? Why didn't they go to heaven when they died?)
1 Thes 4:16; For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

This particular incident is recorded in at least 3 of the Gospels,
Matt 22:23 On that day some Sadducees (who say there is no resurrection) came to Jesus and questioned Him,
Matt 22:28 "In the resurrection, therefore, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had married her."
Matt 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Matt 22:31 "But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God:
Also see Mark 12:18-23 and Luke 20:27-36

Luke 14:14; and you will be blessed, since they do not have the means to repay you; for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."

John 5:25; "Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

All of the verses above seem to talk about an event called the resurrection. These verses indicate that it is a one-time event for all mankind.
Not something that happens every time someone dies.

John 11:11; This He said, and after that He *said to them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep."
John 11:12; The disciples then said to Him, "Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover."
John 11:13; Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that He was speaking of literal sleep.
John 11:14; So Jesus then said to them plainly, "Lazarus is dead,

John 11:23; Jesus *said to her, "Your brother will rise again."
John 11:24; Martha *said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day."

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[B-A-C]

Acts 24:15; having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

2 Tim 2:18; men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some.

Matt 27:51; And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
Matt 27:52; The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Matt 27:53; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.
Matt 27:54; Now the centurion, and those who were with him keeping guard over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things that were happening, became very frightened and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!"

Why did these saints (not sinners) come back to life if they were already in heaven? Did they come back out of heaven?

John 3:13; "No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.

Acts 2:34; "For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,

 

[B-A-C]

First and foremost , with regards to the resurrected body, Jesus "showed the way" again. After death, he came back to the physical world in his glorified resurrected body.

But it seems that he wasn't immediately Glorified.

John 20:17; Jesus *said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"

 

[B-A-C]

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1Jn 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.


1 Jn 4:2; By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

Another point of contention here. Does everyone come back in the flesh as Jesus did?
Or was Jesus a special case? Since He didn't sin and was the Son of God?
The argument is that if Jesus came back in Spirit only (not a body of flesh) then He was no different from anyone else.
The testing of spirit mentioned in 1st John 4, seems to say the demons (spirit of the anti-Christ) do not acknowledge
who Jesus was. After all everyone is raised again after they are dead (eventually). But Jesus was raised immediately
(on the 3rd day) and in the flesh.

1st Cor 15:40-50; says that we are raised with a spiritual body, not a body of flesh.
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[rag4aCrown]

Blessings;
He had better be ALIVE in our heart right now, if we want to be found IN Him then.
He is not a far off God. Amen.
He lives within you. Know ye not the kingdom of God is within you. He is not in a house made with hands. He cometh without observation.
He LIVES in earth because He is ALIVE in His vessels; or should be; sure is quiet out there.
When you get Jesus in your heart; you got to tell somebody.
We are not separate; We are ONE. Amen

 

[james1523]

The idea that a person goes to heaven after death is just plain wrong. That is an idea that was invented by the Catholics to make money -there is no money to be made if people knew that their loved ones souls were instantly resting in Hades (that is what the Jewish disciples and apostles believed), therefore they had to invent the lie that the soul is on a long journey (purgatory) to heaven after death and if you pay money to the priest, your loved one will get to heaven faster. Now take away the idea of long journeys through purgatory (because its clearly not biblical) and bingo you have the pseudo-Catholic lie that the soul goes to heaven after death...taught and propagated by Pastors and loving grandmothers alike, who haven't studied what the Bible shows on this matter.

The Bible is clear on the issue. After Jesus died did he go to heaven as a spirit or after resurrection? The answer is : after resurrection of the body, at his ascension. I don't believe we go to heaven at all, the Bible says that no where and even Jesus (who had the most rights to heaven and even came from heaven) didn't go to heaven when he died as a spirit - Jesus went down into the Earth after his death (see the Apostles Creed and 1 Peter 3:19). After death a person instantly goes to Hades, place of the dead, which is in the depths of the Earth (e.g. 1 Samuel 28:13, the dead prophet's ghost came up from the Earth, to speak to Saul, not down from heaven). King David said he could go to and came from the depths of the Earth (Ps 139)...the dead go to the realm of the dead not heaven (Ps 16:10) and Ps 71:20 says:
Ps 71:20 Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth.

The Bible says that at the resurrection, the soul comes up from Hades to join the re-formed body - this is the resurrection. Ezekiel 37:1-14 vividly describes how it happens - God assembles all the bones together, covers them with flesh, skin etc, and then gives them life again.

Now the unsaved get resurrected to their natural bodies they had when they died. They get to experience death for a second time, but this time the Lake of Fire, second death (Rev 20:14).

But the saved get resurrected with a spiritual body. What is a spiritual body? It is not invisible and is not a ghost. It is like Christ's - it is spiritual, and yet also physical and tangible, made of human flesh, with all its scars and imperfections. Just as Jesus had the same looking body after his resurrection as before, we are given the same body that we had while on Earth, with all its flaws, color, size and shape, but it will be a glorified and spiritually-physical body due to the presence of Christ (1 Cor 15). For this reason the Bible says that the resurrection is Jesus Christ (John 11:25). No one who lives and believes in Christ actually dies (John 11:26), their body only "sleep" (John 11:11).

1st Cor 15:40-50; says that we are raised with a spiritual body, not a body of flesh.

It will be a spiritual-physical body. We will have flesh and not be ghosts (btw the verses in 1 Cor 15 say natural, not flesh) just as Jesus was not a ghost he had flesh and bones. We are raised with a spiritual-physical body just like His. It is a body of human flesh which is immortal and radiates light outwards from within it, due to the presence of the Spirit. The transfiguration of Jesus in Matt 17 (and to a lesser extent, Moses (Ex 34:35)) shows us what a person will look like with a glorified body. The resurrected and saved will be shining brightly like the sun: Matt 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear. I like to think of our flesh bodies as like a light bulb and the Spirit is like electricity. Spiritual bodies are simply light bulbs (flesh bodies) that are switched on with electricity (the Spirit) and they shine light outwards. Just like Christ was appearing and then vanishing, walking through walls one minute and then being touched and eating food the next, people will have the ability to switch between their visible and tangible body of flesh and bones, and their invisible spiritual state. How it happens is a mystery but no doubt involves the ability to exist and manifest in both the physical and spiritual realms, in which the currently known laws of physics and nature do not apply.

 

[B-A-C]

I don't know about the no one goes to heaven part, I think that might make another study. I don't think many (if any) people have been there yet. ( John 3:13; )
Possible exceptions might be Enoch and Elijah. Of course Jesus. The Bible says Satan has been there.

Hmmm... do we really get the same body? I'm not so sure.

1 Cor 15:35; But someone will say, "How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?"
1 Cor 15:40; There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another.
1 Cor 15:44; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1 Cor 15:46; However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
1 Cor 15:50; Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

1 Cor 15:52; in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

It seems we will get new spiritual bodies.

Rom 8:23; And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

Paul doesn't know if he was in the body or spirit when he was caught up to heaven.

2 Cor 12:2; I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago--whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows--such a man was caught up to the third heaven.
2 Cor 12:3; And I know how such a man--whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows--

Php 3:21; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.

All of the verses below talk about the dead as if they have fallen asleep.

Matt 27:52; The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;

John 11:11; This He said, and after that He *said to them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep."

Acts 7:60; Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Having said this, he fell asleep.

Acts 13:36; "For David, after he had served the purpose of God in his own generation, fell asleep, and was laid among his fathers and underwent decay;

1 Cor 15:18; Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.

This is an interesting verse, in that if it's only the body that would resurrected, why does it say they have perished?

1 Thes 4:13; But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.
1 Thes 4:14; For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
1 Thes 4:15; For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

2 Pet 3:4; and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation."

Eph 5:14; For this reason it says, "Awake, sleeper, And arise from the dead, And Christ will shine on you."

In the story of Saul, Samuel and seer of Endor, some Bibles say why have you "disturbed me", some say
"disquieted me" and even some say "awakened me".

(KJV) 1 Sam 28:15; And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

I believe our new bodies will not be earthly mortal bodies.

2 Cor 5:1; For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 Cor 5:2; For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven,
2 Cor 5:3; inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked.
2 Cor 5:4; For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life.

2 Pet 1:14; knowing that the laying aside of my earthly dwelling is imminent, as also our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me.

1 Jn 3:2; Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.

The only place I really find in the Bible of people who have died and gone to Sheol (the grave, the pit, the lower parts of the earth) where they are aware of their surroundings is in
the story of Lazarus and the rich man. It's possible Paul was aware of his surroundings when he went to the 3rd heaven, but it's also possible he wasn't in his body.

It seems some (possibly all of the people in sheol/paradise/Abrahams bosom) were led out of there went Christ descended into the lower parts of the earth.

Eph 4:8; Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."
Eph 4:9; (Now this expression, "He ascended," what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10; He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.)

 

[DHC]

However the Bible has several verses that talk about the resurrection "on the last day".
Some Christians believe you go be in Heaven immediately when you die.
Other Christians believe you don't go to heaven immediately, however you go to Paradise or Abrahams bosom (or even purgatory) and then later
you go to heaven.
Some people believe you lie in the ground "asleep" until the resurrection.

If that's not complicated enough,...

Some believe that only your Spirit immediately goes to paradise or heaven (not the same place) and that your body is resurrected later.
Some I guess the question is... is the resurrection only your body? Or it is your entire being spirit and flesh, or is it only your spirit.

Hello B-A-C.

At one level, the resurrection of the living and those who are asleep will occur when Christ returns. This is clearly presented in the scripture
and would represent a clear doctrine, beyond dispute! Having said that, there are verses that seem to indicate that the reality of the spiritual
realm is far beyond our understanding. The heavenly realm is past, present, and future, all at the same time. Add to this undefinable reality
that is the spiritual realm, the following passage.

2 Kings 2:11
As they were going along and talking, behold,there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire which separated the two of them.
And Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven.

Elijah it seems did not undergo a death in any sense that we could understand, rather he was taken by the Lord. To make matters
more incomprehensible, Elijah went to heaven and this was before the resurrection of the Christ. There does not seem to have been
a discernible, duration of sleep in the case of Elijah.

We also note that in the transfiguration of the Christ, there are two other folk and they are conducting a discussion!

Luke 9
29 And while He was praying, the appearance of His face became different, and His clothing became white and gleaming.
30 And behold, two men were talking with Him; and they were Moses and Elijah,
31 who, appearing in glory, were speaking of His departure which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem.

What is interesting is that Elijah and Moses are discussing the approaching departure of Jesus! We are not viewing
two saints with white halos around their heads and floating in the air, while holding a baby Jesus. This vision or
revelation seems to contend that Elijah and Moses are in heaven before the crucifixion?

How B-A-C, do you reconcile the events above with the standard resurrection model?

 

[B-A-C]

What is interesting is that Elijah and Moses are discussing the approaching departure of Jesus! We are not viewing
two saints with white halos around their heads and floating in the air, while holding a baby Jesus. This vision or
revelation seems to contend that Elijah and Moses are in heaven before the crucifixion?

Holding a baby Jesus? I have not heard this before. Which scripture is this?

Matt 17:2; And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.
Matt 17:3; And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.

Matt 17:9; As they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man has risen from the dead."
In this version at least, it was a vision rather than an actual event.

Mark 9:3; and His garments became radiant and exceedingly white, as no launderer on earth can whiten them.
Mark 9:4; Elijah appeared to them along with Moses; and they were talking with Jesus.
Mark 9:5; Peter *said to Jesus, "Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah."

Mark 9:9; As they were coming down from the mountain, He gave them orders not to relate to anyone what they had seen, until the Son of Man rose from the dead.

Luke 9:29; And while He was praying, the appearance of His face became different, and His clothing became white and gleaming.
Luke 9:30; And behold, two men were talking with Him; and they were Moses and Elijah,
Luke 9:31; who, appearing in glory, were speaking of His departure which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem.
Luke 9:32; Now Peter and his companions had been overcome with sleep; but when they were fully awake, they saw His glory and the two men standing with Him.
(This version says they were asleep during most of this)
Luke 9:36; And when the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone. And they kept silent, and reported to no one in those days any of the things which they had seen.

Jude 1:9; But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
Some people believe that somehow Moses was recognizable even though he didn't have a physical body.

Enoch was another besides Elijah who never really died.
Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; AND HE WAS NOT FOUND BECAUSE GOD TOOK HIM UP; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God.

 

[james1523]

I don't know about the no one goes to heaven part, I think that might make another study. I don't think many (if any) people have been there yet. ( John 3:13; )
Possible exceptions might be Enoch and Elijah. Of course Jesus. The Bible says Satan has been there.

Hmmm... do we really get the same body? I'm not so sure.

1 Cor 15:35; But someone will say, "How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?"
1 Cor 15:40; There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another.
1 Cor 15:44; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1 Cor 15:46; However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
1 Cor 15:50; Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

1 Cor 15:52; in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

It seems we will get new spiritual bodies.

Rom 8:23; And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

Paul doesn't know if he was in the body or spirit when he was caught up to heaven.

2 Cor 12:2; I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago--whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows--such a man was caught up to the third heaven.
2 Cor 12:3; And I know how such a man--whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows--

Php 3:21; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.

All of the verses below talk about the dead as if they have fallen asleep.

Matt 27:52; The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;

John 11:11; This He said, and after that He *said to them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep."

Acts 7:60; Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Having said this, he fell asleep.

Acts 13:36; "For David, after he had served the purpose of God in his own generation, fell asleep, and was laid among his fathers and underwent decay;

1 Cor 15:18; Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.

This is an interesting verse, in that if it's only the body that would resurrected, why does it say they have perished?

1 Thes 4:13; But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.
1 Thes 4:14; For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
1 Thes 4:15; For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

2 Pet 3:4; and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation."

Eph 5:14; For this reason it says, "Awake, sleeper, And arise from the dead, And Christ will shine on you."

In the story of Saul, Samuel and seer of Endor, some Bibles say why have you "disturbed me", some say
"disquieted me" and even some say "awakened me".

(KJV) 1 Sam 28:15; And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

I believe our new bodies will not be earthly mortal bodies.

2 Cor 5:1; For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 Cor 5:2; For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven,
2 Cor 5:3; inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked.
2 Cor 5:4; For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life.

2 Pet 1:14; knowing that the laying aside of my earthly dwelling is imminent, as also our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me.

1 Jn 3:2; Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.

The only place I really find in the Bible of people who have died and gone to Sheol (the grave, the pit, the lower parts of the earth) where they are aware of their surroundings is in
the story of Lazarus and the rich man. It's possible Paul was aware of his surroundings when he went to the 3rd heaven, but it's also possible he wasn't in his body.

It seems some (possibly all of the people in sheol/paradise/Abrahams bosom) were led out of there went Christ descended into the lower parts of the earth.

Eph 4:8; Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."
Eph 4:9; (Now this expression, "He ascended," what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10; He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.)

Just put a big MAYBE around everything but I believe it's not the same body, it's a new spiritual body, but it will look the same as our old one. Because Jesus's new body looked exactly like his old one, with the scars and everything, but it's a new spiritual body, which is both human (flesh) and divine (spirit). Every person who rose from the dead or was taken up to heaven was recognizable and looked the same as when they died - Elijah, Moses, Jesus.. there was nothing different about their physical features except it was transformed from earthly to heavenly...corruptible to incorruptible.

The way Jesus died is exactly how we die.. first we descend into the lower parts of the earth, then we are resurrected, then we ascend to heaven. The concept of descending after death is unpalatable to many, even non-Christians, who are offended if you tell them they are not going to heaven after they die, however resurrection is to go from down up (earth to heaven), not from up down (heaven to earth). Notice that Psalm 139:15 says our frame is formed in the lowest parts of the earth. We come from the earth and we go back to the earth. All human beings are formed in the earth and when they die go back to the earth. The only person who came from heaven and went back to heaven is Christ, who has always existed in heaven from eternity past.

 

[norapture]

I know this is a few months old but please someone show me the scripture that says Jesus had a new body. Without changing the words or adding to the scriptures.

 

[RJ]

I know this is a few months old but please someone show me the scripture that says Jesus had a new body. Without changing the words or adding to the scriptures.

Jesus appeared to the Disciples in his resurrected, changed or new body. The verse does not say "new body" per se and why would it and how can you deny it's truth?:
Luke 24: 39 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see;(AL) a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

 

[RJ]

Just put a big MAYBE around everything but I believe it's not the same body, it's a new spiritual body, but it will look the same as our old one. Because Jesus's new body looked exactly like his old one, with the scars and everything, but it's a new spiritual body, which is both human (flesh) and divine (spirit). Every person who rose from the dead or was taken up to heaven was recognizable and looked the same as when they died - Elijah, Moses, Jesus.. there was nothing different about their physical features except it was transformed from earthly to heavenly...corruptible to incorruptible.

The way Jesus died is exactly how we die.. first we descend into the lower parts of the earth, then we are resurrected, then we ascend to heaven. The concept of descending after death is unpalatable to many, even non-Christians, who are offended if you tell them they are not going to heaven after they die, however resurrection is to go from down up (earth to heaven), not from up down (heaven to earth). Notice that Psalm 139:15 says our frame is formed in the lowest parts of the earth. We come from the earth and we go back to the earth. All human beings are formed in the earth and when they die go back to the earth. The only person who came from heaven and went back to heaven is Christ, who has always existed in heaven from eternity past.

• 2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
• Confident, I have that faith.
• God says he is spirit and in his realm is spiritual.
• Where do you think your spirit goes when you die?

 

[Travis]

I know this is a few months old but please someone show me the scripture that says Jesus had a new body. Without changing the words or adding to the scriptures.

Define 'new' ?

 

[norapture]

RJ. I ask someone to show me one scripture that said he had a new body without reading into it . And you turn around and add to the scripture saying he had a new body. When it is clear it never says he has a new body neither does it say his body was change . Why would he need to be changed? And if its a new body where was his body it wasn't in the grave. The scripture tells us that his body would not see corruption. So do you believe his body was resurrected? In Acts 2:24 it says God raised up, having loosed the pains of death;
So what was dead about Jesus his Spirit or his body? His body . In Luke23:46 Jesus said Farther into thy hands I commend my spirit. So the body was buried and his spirit went to the Farther that why you can read in each 4 gospels and after death his body was only referred to as the body .
Acts 2:26-36 This is Peter preaching about what David had wrote about Christ . His flesh will rest in hope, God did not suffer Christ to see corruption. Now that promise about the flesh was not to David, or anyone else but to Jesus Christ . That's why he was the first born from the dead. He was without sin the only one. So why would his body need to be changed. I know what people think they say he appeared in the room with the door shut (so he must have a different body) NO Jesus walk on water, calm the storms, healed the sick, made the blind to see , change water to wine, made the crippled to walk, he went threw the mist of the crowd when they seek to kill him, and many more things.
So why would it be even thought he was changed to a spiritual body? The scripture never says he was changed or that he had a new body. But that his body would not see corruption so that is why he was resurrected and sets on the right hand of God. Like Steven said when he got stoned. So maybe we all should stick with what it written, and stop guessing or assuming. May God Bless . Sorry maybe I'm to strait forward.

 

[norapture]

Travis I guess like RJ is saying in his reply to me a new resurrected body . Then he post a verse that tells that his body wasn't spirit . Cause Jesus says he has flesh and bone that he isn't a ghost.
Now a ghost is spirit like Holy Ghost -- Holy Spirit.

 

[RJ]

RJ. I ask someone to show me one scripture that said he had a new body without reading into it . And you turn around and add to the scripture saying he had a new body. When it is clear it never says he has a new body neither does it say his body was change . Why would he need to be changed? And if its a new body where was his body it wasn't in the grave. The scripture tells us that his body would not see corruption. So do you believe his body was resurrected? In Acts 2:24 it says God raised up, having loosed the pains of death;
So what was dead about Jesus his Spirit or his body? His body . In Luke23:46 Jesus said Farther into thy hands I commend my spirit. So the body was buried and his spirit went to the Farther that why you can read in each 4 gospels and after death his body was only referred to as the body .
Acts 2:26-36 This is Peter preaching about what David had wrote about Christ . His flesh will rest in hope, God did not suffer Christ to see corruption. Now that promise about the flesh was not to David, or anyone else but to Jesus Christ . That's why he was the first born from the dead. He was without sin the only one. So why would his body need to be changed. I know what people think they say he appeared in the room with the door shut (so he must have a different body) NO Jesus walk on water, calm the storms, healed the sick, made the blind to see , change water to wine, made the crippled to walk, he went threw the mist of the crowd when they seek to kill him, and many more things.
So why would it be even thought he was changed to a spiritual body? The scripture never says he was changed or that he had a new body. But that his body would not see corruption so that is why he was resurrected and sets on the right hand of God. Like Steven said when he got stoned. So maybe we all should stick with what it written, and stop guessing or assuming. May God Bless . Sorry maybe I'm to strait forward.

Four things:

1. I said that it doesn't say "New Body" per se but ,of course, you completely ignored that and say that I added it...that was clearly false for you to say that!
2. What I quoted was: Luke 24: 39 Jesus was clearly reassuring the Disciples that they were not seeing a Gost, indicating that he had really returned in flesh and bone, despite their seeing the holes in his hands and feet. How is that possible, if Jesus was not in a changed body. And despite that the door was clearly closed and he just miraculously appeared. Jesus also said that blessed are those who did not see and believ......you maybe not so blessed!
3. We will have a body just like Jesus, i.e., Jesus body is just like the one we will have. (1) Philippians 3:20-21 20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body. (2). 1 Corinthians 15: 52 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
4. So, concerning your Thread,...yes it does not say exactly "New Body"...so what!? There are few things in the Bible that are a direct word-for-word translation. We all know that many times it is in parables, symbolism and not so "direct" messaging. I just don't know what your true purpose is in asking for an impossible, exact word phraing,, unless it is the only way you can support your stance? That seems like a false narrative to me!