What Were the Real Prophets Against?

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Many modern preachers severely misrepresent various prophets in the Old Testament. In the United States today, Christians are taught to blindly support Israel, blindly support politicians who blindly support Israel and to blindly support the U.S. government in arming Israel to the teeth with all manner of nefarious weaponry (representing huge profits for the U.S. military industrial complex), no matter how rightly or wrongly Israel treats her neighbors. Wicked leaders in modern Israel for many years have enslaved and otherwise horribly unjustly treated the Palestinian population in their midst.

The real prophets in the Old Testament were very brave people who by-and-in-large, stood up against grave wrong doings and injustices of their own people. The real prophets strongly opposed the actions of Israel whenever her leaders didn't act in accordance with what the prophets believed to be God's will. It is overwhelmingly absurd to pretend that the real Isaiah and Jeremiah would defend the leadership of Israel today in regards to how they continue to gravely and unjustly severely mistreat the Palestinian people.

Evidence for Isaiah, Jeremiah and other major Old Testament figures:
Associates for Biblical Research

Evidence for a minor "seer" indicates the authenticity of other more prominent biblical persons: Evidence for Balaam

More Biblical Evidence


Here is what Isaiah has to say in regards to the eventual future for all nations on earth: "They shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore" Isaiah 2:4.

Consider how absurd it is to pretend that Isaiah would endorse arming Israel to the teeth against her neighbors like modern conservative Christian preachers do. This in spite of what Jesus himself commands us in agreement with Isaiah, that we should put our swords away.

When Jesus was born, God's messengers sang, "on earth peace, goodwill to the people" Luke 2:14. This ushered in a new covenant of love for one another, a covenant of loving our enemies and turning the other cheek. Rather than the old "eye-for-an-eye' covenant of the Old Testament; a covenant of grace, mercy, love, peace and freedom, rather than one of law.

We don't have peace on earth today. But love, justice, peace and freedom are most definitely what all of us should be striving to achieve, rather than promoting, endorsing and moving in the opposite direction. Modern Christians who say they don't care about climate catastrophe or looming disease, famine, global anarchy and World War Three, because they believe such will hasten the return of Jesus, have no idea who Jesus loves and no understanding or concept of what love even is.

According to the New Testament, it is the will of our father in heaven, who is love, that no man, woman or child living on earth should perish. People suffer and die, not because it is God's will but rather, because of our own negative choices and actions. Jesus clearly says, "these things I command you, that you love one another" John 15:17. Christians who promote otherwise are directly contradicting Jesus himself.

We know by the collective words and deeds of Jesus and by the Old Testament command to love our neighbor as our self, how we should behave. That it is God's will that we should care in every way, what happens to God's children who are already born and living among us.

How can anyone claim to care about the unborn, who doesn't care what happens to them after they are born and worse, who supports wicked political leaders who likewise, don't care and rather, deliberately harm the sick, the poor and the otherwise oppressed? How can anyone care about the unborn who they have not seen, while failing to care about the already born, who they have seen?
 
Greetings,

Did the Prophets minister to the congregation of Israel?

Did the Apostle Paul write about prophets in connection with the Body?


In fellowship, in Christ.


Bless you ....><>
 
Greetings,

Did the Prophets minister to the congregation of Israel?

Did the Apostle Paul write about prophets in connection with the Body?


In fellowship, in Christ.


Bless you ....><>
What the prophets say is for all people on earth. According to the Bible, Israel is an example for all people and, God has written his law on the hearts of all people.

"...for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness..." -- Romans 2:14-15

"Israel will be a proverb and a byword among all peoples." -- I Kings 9:7

"Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come." -- I Corinthians 10:11

Both the good and the bad of Israel are an example for all nations, as well as God has written his law on the hearts of humanity, our conscience also bearing witness. This is clearly demonstrated in the historical record, where nations have similar base laws against murder, theft, adultery and false witness. Even in modern nations, adultery is grounds for divorce and the other three are punishable crimes.

If the prophets only apply to Israel, there would be no reason to either study, apply or quote them unless we are Jewish. And that would mean all of their prophecies only apply to Israel and the song "Ain't gonna study war no more" would be meaningless.

Here Paul is writing to Corinthian Gentile believers.
 
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Thank you for the reply.




What about?


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Paul says that Israel is an example for all people, as noted above. God does not have a different morality for different people. God is the same, regardless of what people believe or do. God cares about all people individually. What the prophets say applies to all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues.
 
Greetings,

What did the Apostle Paul write about prophets concerning the church?

Do we run off the Old Testament or are we in the New ?

Back to the Old Testament. The Scripture prophets spoke about (prophesied) Christ.


Bless you ....><>
 
Greetings,

What did the Apostle Paul write about prophets concerning the church?

Do we run off the Old Testament or are we in the New ?

Back to the Old Testament. The Scripture prophets spoke about (prophesied) Christ.


Bless you ....><>
The prophets, from Moses through Jesus, spoke for God, frequently saying "Thus says the Lord." What God says applies to all people.
 
Greetings,

Certainly the Word of the LORD endureth forever.

If we took one 'Thus saith the LORD' at random and tried to apply it to a random bunch of people, would it be unfailingly fruitful?

Do you think maybe that when the Apostle Paul wrote concerning God giving Prophecy to the Church/Body it was and is for the people of the congregation of that time, specifically, for their good?

The Church/Body of Christ is for all people. A gift and sacrifice that people in darkness might see Light.
Sadly we see little today of that manifesting. Perhaps people have been distracted and their seeking has withered away. Fast food churchianity? A headless people?

But because people change, God doesn't. His Word is eternal. We are His Body and should cherish our Head. Gods Word, Who God gave for He so loved the world.


Bless you ><>
 
Greetings,

Certainly the Word of the LORD endureth forever.

If we took one 'Thus saith the LORD' at random and tried to apply it to a random bunch of people, would it be unfailingly fruitful?

Do you think maybe that when the Apostle Paul wrote concerning God giving Prophecy to the Church/Body it was and is for the people of the congregation of that time, specifically, for their good?

The Church/Body of Christ is for all people. A gift and sacrifice that people in darkness might see Light.
Sadly we see little today of that manifesting. Perhaps people have been distracted and their seeking has withered away. Fast food churchianity? A headless people?

But because people change, God doesn't. His Word is eternal. We are His Body and should cherish our Head. Gods Word, Who God gave for He so loved the world.


Bless you ><>
That is not correct. What the prophets say applies to everyone on earth. Just like the law given through the prophet Moses and the words of Jesus, who was also a prophet, apply to everyone. According to Romans, God has written his law on the hearts of humanity. And this is what Jesus says, which applies to all people on earth: "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the law and the prophets."

Jesus clearly states, what the law and the prophets say applies to all people. For the intent and purpose of the law and the prophets is that we should treat other people as we wish to be treated.
 
That is not correct. What the prophets say applies to everyone on earth.
Greetings,

Certainly the Word of the LORD endureth forever.
...
The Church/Body of Christ is for all people. A gift and sacrifice that people in darkness might see Light.
...
But because people change, God doesn't. His Word is eternal. We are His Body and should cherish our Head. Gods Word, Who God gave for He so loved the world.
Bless you ><>
Jesus clearly states, what the law and the prophets say applies to all people. For the intent and purpose of the law and the prophets is that we should treat other people as we wish to be treated.

You are not reading everything, are you?
 
No, I read the Bible every day. You are not listening to what Jesus says, are you?
i pointed out that you did not read Brother Bear's response, in which case you would have seen that you both agreed on the sublime Truth of the Word of God.

But because you did not read/hear (ignored) what he said, you are in bitterness, and Jesus does not want anyone to be that way. Peace man, peace.
 
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