What would of happen if the Jews did not Reject Jesus?

[PloughBoy]

Mankind has free will now, free will in heaven and free will in hell.

Jesus says only God is good Mark 10:18. Do you think you will be as good as God in heaven? Do you think you stop sinning in heaven?

Why do you think we will judge angels in heaven? 1 Cor 6:3.

What was the difference between sinners in Abrahams bosom and sinners on the other side in Hades? Both the rich man and lazarus were sinners.

People choose to go to hell when they choose to not repent. They choose to love the darkness.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil .

Mankind is in "bonbage" to day, and Jesus came to set some free and not all. But His shed blood has the power to free all and to save all. But will not save all, but His Father sent Him into the world to save those who the Father wants to save. The Father's, will, will be achieve. The Father is The Potter, and he does with the Clay however He chooses. And there is no wrong in Him. The Father does not work according to the whims of a fallen creature a corrupted piece of dirt. That defies him on every corner. A piece of dirt ain't got no will, When it stands beside "The GOD ALMIGHTY", The dirt in its pride might think so. God's will over rides all wills. God will + Your will =. You ain't got no will. Now you can be mad at that statement or you can "rejoice" that your name is written in the " Lambs Book Life"! And you did not have one thing to do will it.

Now, that is what you call "The Good News of Jesus Christ"! It cannot get any sweeter on "Our" part, for we who are the "We" he came to save. And it will come to pass, because whatsoever the Father's will, will be done. Now, is that nice.

 

[Reba1]

There is no smiley on this disagreement. It is utterly shocking that one called a brother in Christ teach and believe God show preference to anyone. I can promise you that we have had different revelations of Jesus that lead us to God.

Acts 10:34 God shows NO partiality.

Cherry picking verses?

 

[KingJ]

Cherry picking verses?

Wow, seriously? Some scriptures are stand alone verses.

Calvinisim is a cherry picked belief system. Like a kid who puts his hand into a candy jar and picks out all the sour sweets and concludes the jar is full of sour sweets. Miss-representation, false teaching, lazy research, reading fail.

Just incredibly shocking that any person who claims to know Jesus espouse He be '''partial''.

 

[B-A-C]

Wow, seriously? Some scriptures are stand alone verses.

Just curious, if you can give an example of this?

 

[B-A-C]

Calvinisim is a cherry picked belief system

True, but OSAS is the main tenant of Calvinism. All other other "TULIP" doctrines are based off this one tenant.

 

[KingJ]

Mankind is in "bonbage" to day, and Jesus came to set some free and not all. But His shed blood has the power to free all and to save all. But will not save all, but His Father sent Him into the world to save those who the Father wants to save. The Father's, will, will be achieve. The Father is The Potter, and he does with the Clay however He chooses. And there is no wrong in Him. The Father does not work according to the whims of a fallen creature a corrupted piece of dirt. That defies him on every corner. A piece of dirt ain't got no will, When it stands beside "The GOD ALMIGHTY", The dirt in its pride might think so. God's will over rides all wills. God will + Your will =. You ain't got no will. Now you can be mad at that statement or you can "rejoice" that your name is written in the " Lambs Book Life"! And you did not have one thing to do will it.

Now, that is what you call "The Good News of Jesus Christ"! It cannot get any sweeter on "Our" part, for we who are the "We" he came to save. And it will come to pass, because whatsoever the Father's will, will be done. Now, is that nice.

Discussions with Calvinists. Just hilarious.

God is good....because he chose me and not you......reapeat after me....God is good....yay....joy.

Utter tripe you have typed here.

Mankind is in "bonbage" to day, and Jesus came to set some free and not all.

Heresy. Jesus died for all.

But will not save all

No fault on His part. People have free will to reject Him. People choose to love the darkness, THAT IS THE VERDICT John 3:19.

But will not save all, but His Father sent Him into the world to save those who the Father wants to save.

1 Tim 2:4 The Father wills that all be saved. If all are not saved, it is evidence of true free will, not God cherry picking people. Just hilarious and devilish conclusion you arrive at by spitting out a half truth.

The Father is The Potter, and he does with the Clay however He chooses

If you read the whole chapter (Rom 9) you will grasp that the point Paul is making is that '''God can do everything and anything, He is God, who are we to advise and challenge Him''......it is a point He is making, not the A-Z of scripture on God's nature. The REST OF THE BIBLE tells us what in fact God does do with His omnipotence and omniscience. He LIMITS His omnipotence to allow for evil, something He UTTERLY hates to take place. He chooses to be impartial, be a Lamb to the slaughter, show utter respect to mankind, deal with mankind on their level....when He clearly doesn't need to because He is God. He CHOOSES to be GOOD.

Paul is '''trying'' so hard to show us exactly how GOOD God is!!!!!

You cherry pick Rom 9 and every verse of Him hardening hearts and conclude. What a terrible reading and conclusion of scripture. You make God just sigh.

And there is no wrong in Him.

If God cherry picks anyone He is partial. Partiality is outright WICKED!!! Just go ask any person on this planet with an IQ over 10.

God will + Your will =. You ain't got no will.l

If God did not consider our will, why go through the motions of earth and cross? Why not just create us as perfect robots in heaven? ALL THE EVIDENCE points to true free will. All that has happened to the angels and all that has happened to humans.

Now you can be mad at that statement or you can "rejoice" that your name is written in the " Lambs Book Life"! And you did not have one thing to do will it

You are a sick person if you serve a God that cherry picks people. Also, God would be a liar, miss-represented Himself to prophets who spoke so well of Him. David told people to give thanks because God is good Psalm 136:1. David is not an idiot who would call God good or righteous in ALL His ways Psalm 145:17 if God was partial.

You truly have a really messed up idea of God.

 

[KingJ]

True, but OSAS is the main tenant of Calvinism. All other other "TULIP" doctrines are based off this one tenant.

BAC, the underlying message of Calvinism is God's partiality. If you want to beat around the bush, Yes, only 5 point Calvinism is really that bad. But I want to propose to you that Calvinism is 5 point, the 5 points came after the theory of God's omniscience equaling partiality. Calvin's method to ''sell'' the theory to scholars. Sew seeds of confusion by sounding mostly right, but making many teach that God is wicked. The devil is laughing all the way.

It is straight from the pits of hell and needs to be exposed as such.

 

[KingJ]

Just curious, if you can give an example of this?

John 3:16 God so love the world that He gave His Son.

God loving the world is supported by the fact that He gave His Son.

Exo 9:12 God hardend Pharoah's heart.

This verse requires the reader to go and find out why God did that.

Then there is more....

A Christian should know God. Know that a God who can become a man and make Himself as a Lamb to the slaughter, be really loving and good John 15:13. A Christian's hairs should STAND up when they hear heresy.

SO for a Christian, a verse like ''God is good'' fullstop is fine as a stand alone verse. No hairs raised. But to say God is wicked, fullstop (aka God hardened Pharoah's heart, aka God is wicked in that He is partial)....requires an explanation.

We are ambassadors for Jesus. Miss-representing God to the lost He died for...should TERRIFY us!!!

 

[Reba1]

So sorry there is not a pleasant dialog .

 

[PloughBoy]

Discussions with Calvinists. Just hilarious.

God is good....because he chose me and not you......reapeat after me....God is good....yay....joy.

Utter tripe you have typed here.

Heresy. Jesus died for all.

No fault on His part. People have free will to reject Him. People choose to love the darkness, THAT IS THE VERDICT John 3:19.

1 Tim 2:4 The Father wills that all be saved. If all are not saved, it is evidence of true free will, not God cherry picking people. Just hilarious and devilish conclusion you arrive at by spitting out a half truth.

If you read the whole chapter (Rom 9) you will grasp that the point Paul is making is that '''God can do everything and anything, He is God, who are we to advise and challenge Him''......it is a point He is making, not the A-Z of scripture on God's nature. The REST OF THE BIBLE tells us what in fact God does do with His omnipotence and omniscience. He LIMITS His omnipotence to allow for evil, something He UTTERLY hates to take place. He chooses to be impartial, be a Lamb to the slaughter, show utter respect to mankind, deal with mankind on their level....when He clearly doesn't need to because He is God. He CHOOSES to be GOOD.

Paul is '''trying'' so hard to show us exactly how GOOD God is!!!!!

You cherry pick Rom 9 and every verse of Him hardening hearts and conclude. What a terrible reading and conclusion of scripture. You make God just sigh.

If God cherry picks anyone He is partial. Partiality is outright WICKED!!! Just go ask any person on this planet with an IQ over 10.

If God did not consider our will, why go through the motions of earth and cross? Why not just create us as perfect robots in heaven? ALL THE EVIDENCE points to true free will. All that has happened to the angels and all that has happened to humans.

You are a sick person if you serve a God that cherry picks people. Also, God would be a liar, miss-represented Himself to prophets who spoke so well of Him. David told people to give thanks because God is good Psalm 136:1. David is not an idiot who would call God good or righteous in ALL His ways Psalm 145:17 if God was partial.

You truly have a really messed up idea of God.

Point taken I am not into "Idealism" or "religious Speculations" But "Theology proper"! I most happily agree at the utmost of your Quote of me" "You truly have a really messed up idea of God". I hope I have.

 

[KingJ]

So sorry there is not a pleasant dialog .

You call God wicked and then simply say you are not and expect a friendly discussion?

Why don't you try explain to me how you see '''partiality'' as something good? Let's discuss that.

 

[KingJ]

Point taken I am not into "Idealism" or "religious Speculations" But "Theology proper"! I most happily agree at the utmost of your Quote of me" "You truly have a really messed up idea of God". I hope I have.

It is not in the good sense or something to be proud of.

Why don't you try explain to me how partiality is a good thing. Keep it simple, remove God from the discussion.

Convince me that racism is a good thing. That it is not at the height of wickedness.

 

[PloughBoy]

It is not in the good sense or something to be proud of.

Why don't you try explain to me how partiality is a good thing. Keep it simple, remove God from the discussion.

Convince me that racism is a good thing. That it is not at the height of wickedness.

i am sorry but i am not worldly, and am commanded not to be worldly, and not to be concern with the things of this world. And my language is different, but i am also commanded to be not conform unto this world but be transform by the renewing of my mind and set my affection on things in Heavens and not the things on earth. So by being kind, in words and have been commanded not to enter the direction you are asking me to enter.

New American Standard Bible
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.
( 1 Cor. 2).
6We speak wisdom, however, among them that are fullgrown: yet a wisdom not of this world, nor of the rulers of this world, who are coming to nought: 7but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, even the wisdom that hath been hidden, which God foreordained before the worlds unto our glory: 8which none of the rulers of this world hath known: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory:
9but as it is written, Things which eye saw not, and ear heard not, And which entered not into the heart of man, Whatsoever things God prepared for them that love him.
10But unto us God revealed them through the Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For who among men knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of the man, which is in him? even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God. 12But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Spirit teacheth; combining spiritual things with spiritual words .
14Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged. 15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man. 16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

(Colossians 3).
1Therefore, since you have been raised with Christ, strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.…

So at this time I will not interfere with your world events, for it is not my concern now, but i do worry about some love ones who, do not know, that is to come.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[Reba1]

You call God wicked and then simply say you are not and expect a friendly discussion?

Why don't you try explain to me how you see '''partiality'' as something good? Let's discuss that.

Care to post the quote of me calling God wicked?

 

[Reba1]

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

 

[Dave M]

I have to say after some thought,, this is a very odd question to ponder,,, because God knows what is going to happen,,,, this question suggest God needed a plan B......... I do not like this question.

thanks for the great replies

 

[Reba1]

I have to say after some thought,, this is a very odd question to ponder,,, because God knows what is going to happen,,,, this question suggest God needed a plan B......... I do not like this question.

thanks for the great replies

Perfect

 

[KingJ]

i am sorry but i am not worldly, and am commanded not to be worldly, and not to be concern with the things of this world. And my language is different, but i am also commanded to be not conform unto this world but be transform by the renewing of my mind and set my affection on things in Heavens and not the things on earth. So by being kind, in words and have been commanded not to enter the direction you are asking me to enter.

New American Standard Bible
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.
( 1 Cor. 2).
6We speak wisdom, however, among them that are fullgrown: yet a wisdom not of this world, nor of the rulers of this world, who are coming to nought: 7but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, even the wisdom that hath been hidden, which God foreordained before the worlds unto our glory: 8which none of the rulers of this world hath known: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory:
9but as it is written, Things which eye saw not, and ear heard not, And which entered not into the heart of man, Whatsoever things God prepared for them that love him.
10But unto us God revealed them through the Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For who among men knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of the man, which is in him? even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God. 12But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Spirit teacheth; combining spiritual things with spiritual words .
14Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged. 15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man. 16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

(Colossians 3).
1Therefore, since you have been raised with Christ, strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.…

So at this time I will not interfere with your world events, for it is not my concern now, but i do worry about some love ones who, do not know, that is to come.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

I asked you a simple question. Your entire post says nothing about it.

 

[KingJ]

Care to post the quote of me calling God wicked?

In post 8, 11 and 35 you suggest God is partial.

Just as with plough boy, I asked you a painfully simple question and you run from it.

Partiality......is......at......the......height......of......wickedness.......ask......anyone.......with......... more.....then....two.....brain.....cellls.

Convince me it is not. Convince me racism is evidence of a good God Pslam 136:1, that is righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17.

You quote Rom 9 but it is as though you have no clue what Paul is trying to say. Pleas re-read my post 26.

If I was a mod here I would ban Calvinists.

 

[KingJ]

I have to say after some thought,, this is a very odd question to ponder,,, because God knows what is going to happen,,,, this question suggest God needed a plan B......... I do not like this question.

thanks for the great replies

Dave, for how many years now have you been a Christian?

You also believe God is partial?