When the Disciples Were Saved By Faith in Jesus Christ?

[Dave M]

Hey Bear that is a Newfoundland dog easily mistaken for a mop .Benditos aviator of the dog inspired me to us my old dog.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:" (Gal 2:20)
It sorrows me to see that you are so comfortable with your...doctrine.

Because I am not the one living religiously but the power of Christ in me is, is how I am following Him? Yes, I am comfortable with Him in why I can rest in Him. 2 Timothy 4:18 KJV & Jude 1:24-25 KJV

If you ever do decide to love God above all else, and your neighbor as yourself, you can be sure God will supply someone to teach you what I have already touched on.
After your "turn from" sin, and baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of your past sins, and into Christ, you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost to counter all the misinterpretations you cling to.

I find that I can follow Him by faith in Him & all His promises to me alone by that same grace of God that I have been saved by. When the world & the church is telling me what is not sin or what is perfectly natural for any man, the Lord Jesus Christ thru the Holy Spirit in me says differently by the written words in the KJV. Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd and Friend is doing a way much better job than any church have done in helping me to discern good & evil by the scripture in proving everything in the church and in the world to expose the works of darkness in helping me to depart from iniquity in following Him with the knowledge that I AM SAVED so I can tell people now that Jesus Christ IS my Saviour so that sinners may believe in Him and be saved too while also sharing my hope in Him as my Good Shepherd so that they will have that same hope & confidence in the Lord as their Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him as His disciple too.

 

[Lanolin]

Thats great jesus4me I read the kjv too, but dont insist people read the same as I do, but its easier if they do, because some bibles the wording is so different.

I was having a bit of trouble understanding Sues posts at times because she uses nasb and I dont have that bible, but she's a sister in the Lord all the same. Also other people use esv.

I dont like to get contentious about bible versions though, but if people dont want to read the same one I do, thats fine although I will speak up if I think they are missing something that the KJV makes clearer.

A lot of the time misunderstandings can come through syntax or word order, but the only thing that gets me is if people divide scripture wrongly. Like miss out verses if they are quoting, because God doesnt skip bits. Eg Im going to talk about genesis chapter 1 but then cut short the number of days God made just to prove God made the universe in 6 days and just completely ignore the day He rested.

 

[At Peace]

Hey Bear that is a Newfoundland dog easily mistaken for a mop .Benditos aviator of the dog inspired me to us my old dog.

At first I thought it was one of those "gorillas in the mist" apes.
Time for an eye exam...

 

[At Peace]

Because I am not the one living religiously but the power of Christ in me is, is how I am following Him? Yes, I am comfortable with Him in why I can rest in Him. 2 Timothy 4:18 KJV & Jude 1:24-25 KJV



I find that I can follow Him by faith in Him & all His promises to me alone by that same grace of God that I have been saved by. When the world & the church is telling me what is not sin or what is perfectly natural for any man, the Lord Jesus Christ thru the Holy Spirit in me says differently by the written words in the KJV. Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd and Friend is doing a way much better job than any church have done in helping me to discern good & evil by the scripture in proving everything in the church and in the world to expose the works of darkness in helping me to depart from iniquity in following Him with the knowledge that I AM SAVED so I can tell people now that Jesus Christ IS my Saviour so that sinners may believe in Him and be saved too while also sharing my hope in Him as my Good Shepherd so that they will have that same hope & confidence in the Lord as their Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him as His disciple too.

How long have you been sin-free?

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

I was remembering some of my first days after conversion and it occurred to me (and i don't take the credit for that) that The Helper is also an encourager. He has been my encourager.
For example, I remember that some of the jobs I did in the country area i lived in were sometimes hard and monotonous, difficult and tiring, unpleasant and even painful (physically) and yet, I was so thrilled by the constant encouragement, " do it for Jesus" that I got through each day and night with a peace that the world could never give me before my conversion.

Do you think that is right?


bless you ....><>

 

[Dave M]

At first I thought it was one of those "gorillas in the mist" apes.
Time for an eye exam...

LOL I might have to put a picture of him when he is shaved looks totally different

 

[Lanolin]

We can become weary in well doing sometimes, we all need encouragement from our brothers and sisters.
There will be times when you get abused and criticised so much that you just want to throw in the towel and say I had enough. It hurts the most when elders discourage those younger than them from doing what they are called and gifted to do. Or men make women feel inferior and take them for granted. They might mean well but they are not above God.

I think thats a problem in some churches when people arent acting like brothers and sisters but more like boss and slave. When Jesus went round with his twelve disciples he chose twelve to represent the twelve tribes of israel who were originally brothers...Jacob(Israel's) sons. Apart from one betrayal by a bossy elder brother they were all supposed to band and work together..one was never supposed to be above the other.
This house of Israel Jesus wanted to be saved, as an household, as a family. Jesus, being the firstborn and eldest, had the most responsibiliy in caring for his brothers but he never abused his position

Look into your own household/family how do you treat your brothers and sisters? How do they treat you? Would you stick with them through thick and thin? Would you lay down your life for them? Ask yourself.

 

[Laura1557]

It is written in 1 John 5:17 that "all unrighteousness is sin", so with that in mind, I walk as Jesus walked. (1 John 2:6)


The "positionally-practically" doctrine is just another way to pretend to be a Christian.

You imply that I ''pretend to be a Christian?" And who are you, exactly, to put yourself in God's stead to hand down that indictment?

It appears you need to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth (2 Tim 2:15 KJV).

You either love God above all else or you don't.
Jesus was the first to walk without sin, but all those who have "lost their lives" in favor of the reborn life given by God also walk without sin.
If you say you are "in" Christ, by definition you must also be without sin: as there is no sin "in" Christ.

So you're saying that practically, In a scale that has Jesus in one pan and you in the other, the scale perfectly balances based on the way you conduct yourself in your day to day life? That you always live a life as perfect, pure and holy as He did while He walked this earth? And that you permit absolutely nothing in your life that He didn't permit in His?

Positionally, as God sees me through the blood of Christ, He sees me as sinless.

Have you been taught the doctrine of imputation?

I can concur with that, but it is incumbent on us to "endure till the end".

If you're already as sinless as Jesus, why do you need to ''endure till the end?"

All sin is willful, as, according to James 1:14-15, it takes temptation, lust, enticement, and conception to "bring forth sin".
That is a lot to go through to end up "accidentally" killing or stealing or committing adultery.
Don't you think?

Maybe reread that passage and take it back to James 1:13. That passage isn't confirming all sin as willful; it's saying that God doesn't tempt anyone to sin.

By ''willful,'' I mean intentional, deliberate rebellion against God. All sin is rebellion against God, yes, but not all sin is intentional or deliberate.

I hope you weren't laughing so much that you missed the part that came after that.
By saying no man can be perfect you say nobody has to try to obey God all of the time.
Jesus conquered sin, in the flesh.
The repentant have been baptized into Christ, and there is no sin in Christ.

Nope, I caught the part that came after that. If you prefer, I can word that same comment this way instead: What I laughed out loud at was your comment that "You support devilishness by...." That's a pretty strong criticism of someone you don't even know, and a judgement based on a maximum of not even a hundred posts of mine that you might've read here on Talk Jesus, and one post in particular. It's rather the opposite (on your part) of "in lowliness of mind, let each esteem other better than themselves," (Philippians 2:3) isn't it? (And then of course there's Mtt 7, but I see more irony in the Philippians verse.)

By saying no man can be perfect while in the body of this flesh, I'm saying that the Bible says no man can be perfect while in the body of this flesh. I'm the one who also says that we are supposed to try to obey God all the time. I've talked about standing and state; position and practice, but if you prefer to rip that doctrine out of your Bible, have at 'er.

More reason to keep getting your info from the bible instead of from "men".
If a "Christian" still commits sin after his supposed conversion, what was he converted to?
Still a sinner...which means he keeps something other than God as his god...does not define those reborn of seed that cannot bring forth evil fruit.
It certainly doesn't define anyone who has "crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts". (Gal 5:24)

My suggestion is you reread prior posts by the members in this thread to answer that question for yourself.

Did you get the "will be like Him" when He appears part?
If He appears today I will "be like Him".

Is it just me or is that a ridiculously nitpicky distinction on your part?

Do you think sinners will be "raptured"?
My first interest in "churchy" stuff was based on an early escape from the turmoil at the end of time, but my life mirrored the wicked lives of those "left behind".
So my goal became "How do I please God hear and now".
Miraculously, God gave me someone to explain scripture, with the orientation of obedience to God.

It doesn't matter if I think sinners will be raptured or not. The Bible says that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Cor 15:50-52 KJV

How can you say your old self was crucified, but not killed?
Rebirth is not twenty or thirty years in motherly "labor", it is instant.
God doesn't allow His children to languish in wickedness while they cry out to Him for deliverance from evil.
Walk in the light or walk in the darkness-sin. You can't do both.

Why herein is a marvellous thing: the Bible says in Ro 6:6 KJV Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

So that's telling me that my old man was indeed crucified with Him, and yet here the same body of flesh I've had for 49 years now got out of bed this morning when it woke up. It must still be alive to be sitting here typing on a computer keyboard and thinking about lunch.

The Lord didn't take me Home immediately when He saved me back in 1997, so evidently, while there's a part of the old me that was crucified (unless God lied), there is still a part of the old me that hasn't yet died.

I am already "home", as "I" am dead, and hid with Christ in God. (Col 3:3)
All that Paul lacked, in Phil 3, was his new body: as Phil 3:21 makes clear.
You have been given a false interpretation of 1Tim 1:15 to cast doubt on Paul's total subjection to God.


With that misinformation, you have successfully hamstrung any impending salvation.
You imply that Gentile Christians need no repentance or baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sins nor will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost for doing so.
Whoever gave you that "doctrine" is leading you astray.

This I must ask: successfully hamstrung whose impending salvation?

Yep. I confessed with my mouth the Lord Jesus when I was baptized into His death, burial, and was raised with Him to walk in newness of life.
A life without sin.
Thanks be to God.
I wonder what the 'twelve at Ephesus' would say to that "instruction"?

Having been Home now for as long as they have, the twelve at Ephesus would probably point out that Acts is a book that overlaps dispensations as it transitions from Israel to the Church.

This'll be my last post to you in this thread, so no need for you to reply.

 

[Laura1557]

We are perfectly capable of resisting the Holy Spirit. In fact every time we sin... we are doing exactly that.
Acts 7:51; "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.

Some have the conscience "seared over" and feel no guilt at all.
1 Tim 4:2; by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,

God does discipline, but He doesn't force us. Not everyone who once loved the Lord enough to please Him makes that love a continuing priority.
Rev 2:4 'But I have this against you, that you have left your first love.

Yup, right you are. But your original objection to my post was about Christians who use excuses to justify their sin and when a Christian has resisted or grieved or quenched the Holy Spirit, or seared their conscience, they're well past the point of needing or wanting to justify their sin. At that point, they just sin without really giving it a second thought, or that's how it's appeared when I've seen it happen among those close to me.

I said I can't say I've encountered any Christians in my little circle over the years who have willfully used ''we won't achieve sinless perfection...until..." as an excuse to justify sin, but I have seen a couple people who hardened themselves against the conviction and chastening of the Holy Spirit and proved the truth of 2 Peter 2:22.

If we don't find sin enjoyable... then why does anyone do it?
2 Pet 2:22; It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

Heb 12:1; Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,

We do it because the Bible says we enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season (Heb 11:25). Now that might sound like I'm contradicting myself, but I'm not; I'm just not wording it as clearly as I should!

When I say "Christians who want to please the Lord generally don't find sin enjoyable anymore to begin with," I'm differentiating between finding the sin itself enjoyable over the long-term, or repeatedly, vs finding the temporary pleasures of it enjoyable. For example: I may derive enjoyment in the moment that I place my online order, but after I log off the computer and the Lord starts convicting me of foolish spending, poor stewardship, covetousness and greed, I don't find that sin enjoyable at all and wish I hadn't done it.

I've heard it explained that as long as there's a struggle going on, it means the Holy Spirit is still active in your life. Once that struggle stops, you're on dangerous ground.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

How long have you been sin-free?

I am not prefect yet. When I am there in Heaven with the Lord Jesus Christ, I will have a lot to thank Him for besides just my salvation. As for sin having dominion over me.. He is still keeping me from them as well as any new ones that may come across my way. I am still running that race but by faith in Him to finish it.

You do realize that putting off any good thing today for tomorrow is sin, right?

James 4:13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: 14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. 15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that. 16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil. 17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

So I still ask Him to forgive me of my sins and to help me not to do that again as I lean on Him for help to forgive others of their sins against me, but as far as habitual self destructive sins, all kudos goes to Him in setting me free and keeping me free.

I believe you are the one that implies being sin free that you never had to say that daily prayer that Jesus had taught to His disciples. If I misunderstood you, do feel free to clarify. Thanks, brother.

 

[At Peace]

Because I am not the one living religiously but the power of Christ in me is, is how I am following Him? Yes, I am comfortable with Him in why I can rest in Him. 2 Timothy 4:18 KJV & Jude 1:24-25 KJV



I find that I can follow Him by faith in Him & all His promises to me alone by that same grace of God that I have been saved by. When the world & the church is telling me what is not sin or what is perfectly natural for any man, the Lord Jesus Christ thru the Holy Spirit in me says differently by the written words in the KJV. Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd and Friend is doing a way much better job than any church have done in helping me to discern good & evil by the scripture in proving everything in the church and in the world to expose the works of darkness in helping me to depart from iniquity in following Him with the knowledge that I AM SAVED so I can tell people now that Jesus Christ IS my Saviour so that sinners may believe in Him and be saved too while also sharing my hope in Him as my Good Shepherd so that they will have that same hope & confidence in the Lord as their Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him as His disciple too.

I am gladdened by the words you send.
May God keep you in righteousness till the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.