Why does God send people to hell?

[Rhema]

what you said just irks me the wrong way.

But of course.

Typically I think a lot better of you

Well, to be totally honest, I don't really care what people think about me.

I find this thinking to be disgusting personally.

Like making money instead of taking care of your mom?
How is that not disgusting? At least tell me you were honorable enough to provide funds for her care if her husband was unable to.

To feel like you should still "get" something for helping out your mom and dad.

Depends upon the kind of help. An hour to clean out the gutters? Offset by the hours taken to change your diapers. But Full time care of a combative Alzheimer's parent? Quite a different thing. If someone else is being paid, there should be no problem with being paid.

Kind of like the concept of expecting something in return when you're doing good for the Lord.

Well should I thank you for opposing the teachings of Jesus?

And in the same house, remain, eating and drinking such things as they have: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Remove not from house to house.​

- Luke 10:7 DRB

The expected room and board. Who are you to object?

But when you're taking care of your parents don't you think it should be from your heart and not from your pocketbook?

But YOU didn't. YOU were working making money. (You said so yourself.) So is it wrong to suggest that you put your pocketbook ahead of taking care of your parents? Wanting your siblings to take it in the chin?

Now you don't need to justify yourself to me. And while I fully admit that I don't know the specific circumstances in your life, you might owe your siblings an apology, if not forgiveness. The Bills still need to be paid.

Behold now the third time I am ready to come to you and I will not be burdensome unto you. For I seek not the things that are yours, but you. For neither ought the children to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.​

- 2 Corinthians 12:14 DRB

The children ought not to pay for the parents, and that would include elder care. A person is to pay for his own elder care, not the children... I think that's called "retirement."

Meditate upon the scriptures, or throw them away. Your choice. But I think your emotions have led you astray from the instruction of the Lord.

Peace,
Rhema

 

[Brad Huber]

Well, to be totally honest, I don't really care what people think about me

Peace,
Rhema

Wow! Thats a whopper if I ever heard one. You may try not to care what people think about you. That would be admirable, if that was the case. I have noticed first hand that you "do care" about what others say about you. Thou complainist a bit too much there in that aspect to "not care" about what you consider slights to your ego.

 

[Rhema]

I have noticed first hand that you "do care" about what others say about you.

Dear self-proclaimed prophet who claims to speak for God from on-high. (And you have, you know... at least have the decency to admit that.)

You seem confused.

Do you think I would post the controversial things I do if it were my intent to have others think well of me? Phhhttt. This in itself proves I don't care what you think of me. HOWEVER... any sane person would become very distraught when the scholarship (with proofs and support) that I've provided are so ridiculed by the likes of y'all, preferring to use ad hominem instead of addressing the content of my posts.

In the future, try not to confuse the two.

Rhema

 

[Brad Huber]

Dear self-proclaimed prophet who claims to speak for God from on-high. (And you have, you know... at least have the decency to admit that.)

You seem confused.

Do you think I would post the controversial things I do if it were my intent to have others think well of me? Phhhttt. This in itself proves I don't care what you think of me. HOWEVER... any sane person would become very distraught when the scholarship (with proofs and support) that I've provided are so ridiculed by the likes of y'all, preferring to use ad hominem instead of addressing the content of my posts.

In the future, try not to confuse the two.

Rhema

God has many who are willing to speak a word from Himself. Its more common than you think. Its not like I am someone who is trying to elevate myself into a position of being the sole authority of what God says. But I am faithful to share what He wants me to. When you share things from God's word, you are doing the same actually, just using a different medium. Are you by chance one of those who believe that gifts of the Holy Spirit no longer exist anymore?

 

[Bill]

Dear self-proclaimed prophet who claims to speak for God from on-high. (And you have, you know... at least have the decency to admit that.)

You seem confused.

Do you think I would post the controversial things I do if it were my intent to have others think well of me? Phhhttt. This in itself proves I don't care what you think of me. HOWEVER... any sane person would become very distraught when the scholarship (with proofs and support) that I've provided are so ridiculed by the likes of y'all, preferring to use ad hominem instead of addressing the content of my posts.

In the future, try not to confuse the two.

Rhema

That is amusing, you equating yourself to godliness. "the likes of ya'll" . Oh brother , eyes rolling.

Where is Sue when i need her.

 

[Garee]

Saul/Paul was against Hellenism.

Act 9:23 When many days had elapsed, the Jews plotted together to do away with him,
Act 9:24 but their plot became known to Saul. They were also watching the gates day and night so that they might put him to death;
Act 9:25 but his disciples took him by night and let him down through an opening in the wall, lowering him in a large basket.
Act 9:26 When he came to Jerusalem, he was trying to associate with the disciples; but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he was a disciple.
Act 9:27 But Barnabas took hold of him and brought him to the apostles and described to them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had talked to him, and how at Damascus he had spoken out boldly in the name of Jesus.
Act 9:28 And he was with them, moving about freely in Jerusalem, speaking out boldly in the name of the Lord.
Act 9:29 And he was talking and arguing with the Hellenistic Jews; but they were attempting to put him to death.
Act 9:30 But when the brethren learned of it, they brought him down to Caesarea and sent him away to Tarsus.
Act 9:31 So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria enjoyed peace, being built up; and going on in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, it continued to increase.

Paul was a strict Jew.

Act 22:3 "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city, educated under Gamaliel, strictly according to the law of our fathers, being zealous for God just as you all are today.

I would offer


Saul before his conversion supported the murdering of Christian after the foundation of paganism.(Out of sight out of mind) Cain's law . bury them under the corn field) Christ calls fools

Romans 2:28-29For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;(death) whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Some of the outward Jew tried to enter Christian fellowship using the DNA card .But God who see the inside exposed the lie of the oral traditions of dying mankind .

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

God is not a racist. Racism the sin of prejudging

 

[Rhema]

Are you by chance one of those who believe that gifts of the Holy Spirit no longer exist anymore?

NO. It would be ridiculous to condemn myself.

But what proof would be sufficient for you? (Since you think that you know me better than I do myself.) Raising the dead? (I've done that.) Casting out demons? (I've done that.) Lifted my hand to change the weather? (Yes, with witnesses.) Brought Divine healing to others? (What body count would suffice for you?)

So am I now to be mocked too? Suffer at your hand to quote scripture arrayed as a weapon to be hurled against me?

But I am faithful to share what He wants me to.

So God wanted you to insult me? That He told you to call me a liar: ...

Wow! Thats a whopper if I ever heard one

???????

Jesus talked about the mote in your eye, how about the wax in your ear?

Its not like I am someone who is trying to elevate myself into a position of being the sole authority of what God says.

And I never said that. Is your god pleased that you put words in my mouth? Your god is pleased that you would create enmity with me?

When you share things from God's word, you are doing the same actually, just using a different medium.

Mr. Huber, with all due respect. WHICH WORD? The Bible? That only suffices to show that you're not even in the right ball park, but yet still feel so comfortable with hurling a judgment against me. But as I said, I couldn't care less. I'm used to it.

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; ​

(John 15:20 KJV)

But THANK YOU. Thank you for the blessing: (I'm serious.)

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.​

(Matthew 5:11-12 KJV)

God has many who are willing to speak a word from Himself.

Which I've found most often to be a fiction of their own imagination. The result of a late night pizza.

Are you by chance one of those who believe that gifts of the Holy Spirit no longer exist anymore?

A question that you could not possibly ask if you knew me, or if God was guiding your words.

Blessings,
Rhema

(We are so far off OP now, I choose to end this useless bickering. But you've condemned me before in PM, so please feel free to continue there now.)

 

[Rhema]

That is amusing, you equating yourself to godliness. "the likes of ya'll" .

A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes.​

(Proverbs 18:6 KJV)

Oh brother , eyes rolling.

It is an honour for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.​

(Proverbs 20:3 KJV)

How easy for you to condemn me to avoid dealing with your own words that you yourself posted.

Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.​

(Proverbs 23:9 KJV)

My bad,
Rhema

 

[Garee]

But what proof would be sufficient for you? (Since you think that you know me better than I do myself.) Raising the dead? (I've done that.) Casting out demons? (I've done that.) Lifted my hand to change the weather? (Yes, with witnesses.) Brought Divine healing to others? (What body count would suffice for you?)

So am I now to be mocked too? Suffer at your hand to quote scripture arrayed as a weapon to be hurled against me?

I would be careful. Metaphors used in parables "follow prophecy" the living word of God The. "let there be" followed by . . . . and" it was God good".

Luke 16 17And these signs shall "follow" them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;(prophecy) ;They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it (false prophecy) shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover

Snake charmers

Psalm 58:4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;

Satan the king of lying signs to wonder, wonder, marvel after as if true prophecy .

Working overtime today>

 

[Brad Huber]

NO. It would be ridiculous to condemn myself.

But what proof would be sufficient for you? (Since you think that you know me better than I do myself.) Raising the dead? (I've done that.) Casting out demons? (I've done that.) Lifted my hand to change the weather? (Yes, with witnesses.) Brought Divine healing to others? (What body count would suffice for you?)

So am I now to be mocked too? Suffer at your hand to quote scripture arrayed as a weapon to be hurled against me?


So God wanted you to insult me? That He told you to call me a liar: ...

???????

Jesus talked about the mote in your eye, how about the wax in your ear?


And I never said that. Is your god pleased that you put words in my mouth? Your god is pleased that you would create enmity with me?


Mr. Huber, with all due respect. WHICH WORD? The Bible? That only suffices to show that you're not even in the right ball park, but yet still feel so comfortable with hurling a judgment against me. But as I said, I couldn't care less. I'm used to it.

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; ​

(John 15:20 KJV)

But THANK YOU. Thank you for the blessing: (I'm serious.)

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.​

(Matthew 5:11-12 KJV)


Which I've found most often to be a fiction of their own imagination. The result of a late night pizza.


A question that you could not possibly ask if you knew me, or if God was guiding your words.

Blessings,
Rhema

(We are so far off OP now, I choose to end this useless bickering. But you've condemned me before in PM, so please feel free to continue there no

Yes, you have sent this down a rabbit hole of your own choosing, its best to end it here.

 

[GeneralT001]

Can someone explain to me (please) why a loving and compassionate God would subject anyone to eternal, hideous, pain and suffering for all eternity? We live but for the smallest fraction of time and yet we would be tortured for all eternity by a most loving God? How do you rationalize that concept?

 

[Bill]

Can someone explain to me (please) why a loving and compassionate God would subject anyone to eternal, hideous, pain and suffering for all eternity? We live but for the smallest fraction of time and yet we would be tortured for all eternity by a most loving God? How do you rationalize that concept?

That is a question many ask.

But it is not God that sets us on that path . We make those choices, when the Holy Spirit gives us the opportunity to help others without seeking something for ourselves. In the scripture it talks about when we do something for others, and then boast about it so that everyone can see what we did, we received what we would have gotten from God, through the praise of people.

If we do things out of the kindness of our hearts and seek nothing in return, it is God that sees everything. It is done that God gives to us as he did the righteous who stood before the King. ( Lord when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or naked or in prison - and the King said to them when you did it for the least of your brothers and sisters you did it for me)

You see they did the work without thinking of themselves without looking for praise without even recognizing God's presence there, they did the work from their hearts.

And this is what all mankind must do give from your heart.

Those people who have had the opportunity to give from their heart and instead spit upon kick and do harm to others, those who do all form of malice and injury to other people especially to the least and to the children and those innocent who are not even born. It is these people that need to worry about the path that they have chosen for themselves.

No we blame God for those who end up in Eternal fire, but the truth is is that those who end up there have chosen that path for themselves

 

[GeneralT001]

That is a question many ask.

But it is not God that sets us on that path . We make those choices, when the Holy Spirit gives us the opportunity to help others without seeking something for ourselves. In the scripture it talks about when we do something for others, and then boast about it so that everyone can see what we did, we received what we would have gotten from God, through the praise of people.

If we do things out of the kindness of our hearts and seek nothing in return, it is God that sees everything. It is done that God gives to us as he did the righteous who stood before the King. ( Lord when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or naked or in prison - and the King said to them when you did it for the least of your brothers and sisters you did it for me)

You see they did the work without thinking of themselves without looking for praise without even recognizing God's presence there, they did the work from their hearts.

And this is what all mankind must do give from your heart.

Those people who have had the opportunity to give from their heart and instead spit upon kick and do harm to others, those who do all form of malice and injury to other people especially to the least and to the children and those innocent who are not even born. It is these people that need to worry about the path that they have chosen for themselves.

No we blame God for those who end up in Eternal fire, but the truth is is that those who end up there have chosen that path for themselves

Again it is nonsensical.

Another question would be why is this only mentioned in the NT and not the OT? Has God changed? I believe those that are irredeemable will simply cease to exist forever at Gods command. Would seem a lot more reasonable. Ask yourself....would you subject anyone to that torment forever? The answer has to be "no". So why would our Heavenly Father, who is more compassionate and understanding than we, do such a thing?

The thing that keeps me up at night is thinking what if our Heavenly Father was not loving and compassionate and could torment us in perpetuity....thats a disturbing thought.

 

[Bill]

NO. It would be ridiculous to condemn myself.

But what proof would be sufficient for you? (Since you think that you know me better than I do myself.) Raising the dead? (I've done that.) Casting out demons? (I've done that.) Lifted my hand to change the weather? (Yes, with witnesses.) Brought Divine healing to others? (What body count would suffice for you?)

So am I now to be mocked too? Suffer at your hand to quote scripture arrayed as a weapon to be hurled against me?


So God wanted you to insult me? That He told you to call me a liar: ...

???????

Jesus talked about the mote in your eye, how about the wax in your ear?


And I never said that. Is your god pleased that you put words in my mouth? Your god is pleased that you would create enmity with me?


Mr. Huber, with all due respect. WHICH WORD? The Bible? That only suffices to show that you're not even in the right ball park, but yet still feel so comfortable with hurling a judgment against me. But as I said, I couldn't care less. I'm used to it.

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; ​

(John 15:20 KJV)

But THANK YOU. Thank you for the blessing: (I'm serious.)

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.​

(Matthew 5:11-12 KJV)


Which I've found most often to be a fiction of their own imagination. The result of a late night pizza.


A question that you could not possibly ask if you knew me, or if God was guiding your words.

Blessings,
Rhema

(We are so far off OP now, I choose to end this useless bickering. But you've condemned me before in PM, so please feel free to continue there now.)

Brad Huber has never been boastful or claim to be a prophet of God of any type. But I know that he does the Lord's will.

Now if you want to come after someone who claims to be a prophet then bring it to me. At least I know who I am. You see I thought coming here and sharing with everyone and being open about God's calling to me might inspire people. But God has so hidden my purpose, that you cannot even discern the truth of it. Because it hasn't been revealed yet other than what I have said.

And the very few I've met here who even experienced anything of what I've talked about in spiritual warfare. Will not talk openly in this chat. I can understand that because of how vocal and anti-Godlike many are here.

I can't really blame anyone for their views though, because it is so far out there to really have any belief in such things. Especially for the fact that I'm Catholic Oh my God LOL. It's like the nails in the coffin right there.

There are things that make me wonder when people say that they have the gifts of the Spirit though. Gifts of the Spirit including casting out demons and raising people from the dead and so on because there are telltale signs whether a person really does have the gifts of the Spirit aside the fact of the Miracles, one of those has to do with how a person approaches other people. Kindness, charity of heart, willingness to forgive, not being quick to judge but having an open mind and heart to how others think. There's actually quite a list in the scripture, some are in the New Testament but the others are in the way that you see the people reacting to each other through the scriptures themselves.

You know Rhema, it seems that God really does like smart-alecks, just look at the way Elijah talks to the prophets when they're trying to call down fire from their god. Or look at the way Samson was the way he acted constantly being a smart mouth. LOL

I know you like to tear apart everything I have to say and make little pieces of it to fit into whatever you're trying to say, I find that is a common trait among the Protestant churches. Taking little bits and pieces of the scripture and trying to explain it from a single word. Where they really miss the big picture by skipping the whole paragraph instead.

Maybe sometime you'll actually read my letter from top to bottom and see me for a change.

Peace always your friend Bill

 

[KingJ]

Can someone explain to me (please) why a loving and compassionate God would subject anyone to eternal, hideous, pain and suffering for all eternity?

He doesn't.

We live but for the smallest fraction of time and yet we would be tortured for all eternity by a most loving God?

The words torment, and torture have ranges of degrees to them. Torture can be forcing someone to listen to an annoying voice of a teacher or someone pulling your fingernails off.

God does not do the latter. Most make a meal of the word fire to imply the absolute worst form of torture.

How do you rationalize that concept?

You stick to exactly what scripture teaches and stop reading and listening to anything not scriptural!

There are five things to consider on hell.

1. God is righteous in all His ways

The Creator of hell is good Psalm 136:1, righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17, light with no darkness in Him 1 John 1:5, the definition of loving 1 John 4:16, just Job 34:12.

As such we need to think of hell being a prison that someone like Mother Theresa would create for her enemy. As opposed to Stalin, Hitler and Mao.

2. Separation - Weeping and gnashing of teeth

Scripture explains in Psalm 51:17 and many other verses that there is a difference between those that repent of their sins and those who don't. As such God separates the two. This separation causes those in hell to weep and gnash their teeth.

The only passage in the entirety of scripture that gives a reason for weeping and gnashing of teeth is in Luke 13:28 and it is due to separation. Not torture.

3. Darkness - Evil continues to take place.

John 3:19 explains that darkness is a metaphor for evil and that people reject Jesus because they love evil.

4. It will be for eternity

Most good people should believe in rehabilitation and not eternal punishment. But scripture explains that God judges the depths of peoples hearts and minds Jer 17:9-11, as only He can! If He casts you out of heaven, you will not come back, if He accepts you into heaven, you will not be removed.

As such, we can safely conclude that all those in hell are unrepentant sinners that would never truly desire repentance of their sin.

Conclusion:

Hell is a home for those who love what is wicked. Many will suffer for a period in fire as Rom 2:6 and the logical concept of justice infers. God does not beat around the bush by calling hell a nice place. It is not. But that is not due to His doing's.

Justice demands punishment for evil actions and a good God gives highly intelligent creations like humans' true free will. Even the will to hate Him. It would be evil of God if He forced people who love what is evil to live with those that hate what is evil and vice versa.

 

[KingJ]

Again it is nonsensical.

Another question would be why is this only mentioned in the NT and not the OT? Has God changed?

No, He does not change Num 23:19.

Jesus mentions the 'OT' era in Luke 16:19-31.

There was a divide in Sheol / Hades. One part was called Abraham's bosom and the other was a fiery hell.

From day 1 to today, God has separated repentant from unrepentant sinner.

The only difference living in the NT after the cross is that when you truly repent of your sins, you receive a revelation of Jesus and are grafted into His family. 1 Cor 12:3 explains that nobody can call Jesus Lord without the Holy Spirit.

I believe those that are irredeemable will simply cease to exist forever at Gods command.

Whilst this belief is better than eternal ''horrendous'' torture. It is in actuality too evil an action for God to perform. How is that for irony.

Annihilationism is no free will. Imagine asking your spouse to marry you or die.

10/10 Righteous and just = True free will = Eternal separation with punishment in fire when you sin
3/10 Righteous and just = annihilationism
0/10 Righteous and just = eternal horrendous torture

Would seem a lot more reasonable. Ask yourself....would you subject anyone to that torment forever? The answer has to be "no".

So why would our Heavenly Father, who is more compassionate and understanding than we, do such a thing?

100% correct. Please see my thread here answering your sound and valid arguments - Discussion on Torture

The thing that keeps me up at night is thinking what if our Heavenly Father was not loving and compassionate and could torment us in perpetuity....thats a disturbing thought.

It's a thought the devil wants you to have.

Hell is a topic that many Christians should just keep quiet on. We can so easily incriminate as evil and completely misrepresent God on this.

Hell will be a place you and I approve of. See my OP here - What to expect in hell

 

[Garee]

Can someone explain to me (please) why a loving and compassionate God would subject anyone to eternal, hideous, pain and suffering for all eternity? We live but for the smallest fraction of time and yet we would be tortured for all eternity by a most loving God? How do you rationalize that concept?

By his wounds . . .Pouring out His Spirit life on dying flesh in jeopardy of his own Spirit life, we are healed. A living abiding eternal sacrifice. No dead sacrifices.

Blood without the spirit essence must be poured out so it can return to dust

Living in dying suffering bodies that are appointed to die will die when coming to last breath and return to dust and the temporal spirit return to the Father of all spirit life.

Yoked with Him our daily suffering (hell) is made lighter with a living hope beyond what the eye sees. . the historical temporal dying.

The law of mercy that the Lord is subject to just as his creature. Magnifying his living word above all his attributes If he has no mercy then he cannot show it to us. Mercy = born again grace.

Mercy with no grace, Not suffering forever and ever. But like never born the first time. Two kinds with grace and without .

No room for Limbo the younger sinners (venial) or Purgatory (mortal) the more mature.

James 2:12-13So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Mercy supports judgement not eternal punishment

Mans anger does not bring about the righteousness live Christ lovingly commands of us. In our anger God know we are angry people In our anger we sin not and do not let unrighteous anger

 

[Rhema]

Can someone explain to me (please) why a loving and compassionate God would subject anyone to eternal, hideous, pain and suffering for all eternity?

It can't be explained, because that's not what happens. But I understand that your question is more akin to asking how a sane person could believe that. I'm not sure the common believer ever studies that deeply to see the conundrum.

Another question would be why is this only mentioned in the NT and not the OT? Has God changed?

Actually, I think you may be looking at how translations can give an illusory picture as both language and human religious perspectives morph over time.

The bottom line is that the word hell is not present in either the NT or OT for that matter. The OT speaks of Sheol. Period. But about the year 300 BC, Ptolemy, a general of Alexander the Great's Army, took over Egypt. His son, looking at the city of Alexandria, realized there were an awful lot of Jews living in his kingdom, and that he had no idea what they believed. So he commissioned a project for the Hebrew Scriptures to be translated into Greek. Obviously they chose the word "Hades" for Sheol, but this inadvertently sucks in all the Hades mythology into Sheol when non-Jews read this translation (the Septuagint, aka the LXX). This rather happens today when people read the word "hell" and have in their mind all the added Catholic mythology (not to mention Hollywood mythology).

So when you read "hell" one should really think "Sheol," which is nothing more than the hole into which a corpse is buried.

(Of course there is still Gehenna and Tartarus, but those are different discussions.)

Glad to meet you,
Rhema

The thing that keeps me up at night is thinking what if our Heavenly Father was not loving and compassionate and could torment us in perpetuity....thats a disturbing thought.

Yes indeed, but I may have already posted that the phrase is best translated from Greek as "permanent destruction" of the wicked, not eternal torment.

He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.​

(1 John 4:8 KJV)

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.​

(1 John 4:18 KJV)

 

[Garee]

The word Hell. The place of suffering. . . carrying out the wage of sin. The appointment to die once.

Yoked with Christ that daily burden is made lighter

 

[Rhema]

Brad Huber has never been boastful or claim to be a prophet of God of any type.

As far as you know, Bill. But you do realize that you don't know everything. Yes?

Now if you want to come after someone who claims to be a prophet then bring it to me.

See? Right there. You thinking that I'm coming after somebody. Read the room. Get the timeline straight.

But God has so hidden my purpose, that you cannot even discern the truth of it.

Couldn't care less. Maybe your purpose is so hidden that perhaps you don't even know what it is.

Because it hasn't been revealed yet other than what I have said.

So you're expecting God to log on and post His validation of Bill's .... whatever that whole thing is? What else is "revealed" other than what you say?

I can't really blame anyone for their views though, because it is so far out there to really have any belief in such things.

Actually, I couldn't care less about so called beliefs. You can believe in the Easter Bunny and Bigfoot for all I care.

Especially for the fact that I'm Catholic Oh my God LOL. It's like the nails in the coffin right there.

Poor little you. You play that pity-me card so many times, the complaint falls on deaf ears. Who cares if you are Catholic. Who should care? I don't.

But what proof would be sufficient for you? (Since you think that you know me better than I do myself.) Raising the dead? (I've done that.) Casting out demons? (I've done that.) Lifted my hand to change the weather? (Yes, with witnesses.) Brought Divine healing to others? (What body count would suffice for you?)

So am I now to be mocked too? Suffer at your hand to quote scripture arrayed as a weapon to be hurled against me?

Gifts of the Spirit including casting out demons and raising people from the dead and so on because there are telltale signs whether a person really does have the gifts of the Spirit aside the fact of the Miracles

What matters are the actions one takes, the fruit that one bears, the events where God has done something.

Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him, in the midst of you, as you also know:​

(Acts 2:22 DRB)

You denigrate such outpouring of the supernatural presence of God?, but Jesus did not:

Otherwise believe for the very works' sake. Amen, amen, I say to you, he that believeth in me, the works that I do, he also shall do: and greater than these shall he do.​

(John 14:12 DRB)

one of those has to do with how a person approaches other people. Kindness, charity of heart, willingness to forgive, not being quick to judge but having an open mind and heart to how others think

Jesus was pretty good with those kind words, right?

Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour the houses of widows, praying long prayers. For this you shall receive the greater judgment.​

(Matthew 23:14 DRB)

I kind of like that open mind Jesus had:

Woe to you, Pharisees, because you love the uppermost seats in the synagogues and salutations in the marketplace. Woe to you, because you are as sepulchres that appear not: and men that walk over are not aware. And one of the lawyers answering, saith to him: Master, in saying these things, thou reproachest us also. But he said: Woe to you lawyers also, because you load men with burdens which they cannot bear and you yourselves touch not the packs with one of your fingers. Woe to you who build the monuments of the prophets: and your fathers killed them. Truly you bear witness that you consent to the doings of your fathers. For they indeed killed them: and you build their sepulchres. For this cause also the wisdom of God said: I will send to them prophets and apostles: and some of them they will kill and persecute. That the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world may be required of this generation,​

(Luke 11:43-50 DRB)

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you make clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but within you are full of rapine and uncleanness. Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside may become clean. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you are like to whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful but within are full of dead men's bones and of all filthiness. So you also outwardly indeed appear to men just: but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.​

(Matthew 23:25-28 DRB)

Soon you'll be telling me that Jesus wasn't even saved.

I know you like to tear apart everything I have to say and make little pieces of it to fit into whatever you're trying to say,

EVERYTHING you have to say? How absurd and wonderfully self-absorbed. Bill, on the whole, you're not that important.

Peace always your friend Bill

And they healed the breach of the daughter of my people disgracefully, saying: Peace, peace: when there was no peace.​

(Jeremiah 8:11 DRB)

Blessings,
Rhema