Why does God send people to hell?

[Corn]

It's OK. It's hard in a forum not to be offended. I've been through a toxic torte and my brain don't work as good as it used to. I misfire and I don't blame people. It's easy to misunderstand. We're made that way. We continually change our mind.

I don't worry about the rules of the books. That kept me distracted. I just gave that up and tired to see what I could do to change the world for myself in my own way in my own state. Most of what I believe is what I've seen for myself.

I decided that after learning Hebrew to understand it for myself. Here's what I did, right or wrong...

I grew up in church. I asked questions and answers did fit the puzzle in my head. I learned Hebrew and studied with jews and did the festivals. Then I decided this...
I decided to follow the golden rule because it seemed that all religions agreed on that...
So I believe in the golden rule.
I do not engage in lengthy discussions because then I choose....talk or Do.
Now, just do.
I follow that rule.
What you do, do for all.
Work to make positive change wherever you are help those less fortunate.

My belief is this...
It's not about carying the book of rules around and worrying about which one is more important. It's about the golden rule. Your neighbors are suffering all around you and they need help. Help them and your understanding of the word changes. The more you DO, the more you understand.
Reading just keeps you from doing. To understand the fullness, adopt a soul. Then your understanding changes.

Follow your beliefs and you will see everything. Read them and you will keep searching the rest of your life. You're choice.
That's my belief of all religions
I don't have time to follow two rules. 1 is enough to keep me going.

 

[YeshuaFan]

It's OK. It's hard in a forum not to be offended. I've been through a toxic torte and my brain don't work as good as it used to. I misfire and I don't blame people. It's easy to misunderstand. We're made that way. We continually change our mind.

I don't worry about the rules of the books. That kept me distracted. I just gave that up and tired to see what I could do to change the world for myself in my own way in my own state. Most of what I believe is what I've seen for myself.

I decided that after learning Hebrew to understand it for myself. Here's what I did, right or wrong...

I grew up in church. I asked questions and answers did fit the puzzle in my head. I learned Hebrew and studied with jews and did the festivals. Then I decided this...
I decided to follow the golden rule because it seemed that all religions agreed on that...
So I believe in the golden rule.
I do not engage in lengthy discussions because then I choose....talk or Do.
Now, just do.
I follow that rule.
What you do, do for all.
Work to make positive change wherever you are help those less fortunate.

My belief is this...
It's not about carying the book of rules around and worrying about which one is more important. It's about the golden rule. Your neighbors are suffering all around you and they need help. Help them and your understanding of the word changes. The more you DO, the more you understand.
Reading just keeps you from doing. To understand the fullness, adopt a soul. Then your understanding changes.

Follow your beliefs and you will see everything. Read them and you will keep searching the rest of your life. You're choice.
That's my belief of all religions
I don't have time to follow two rules. 1 is enough to keep me going.

God sent none to Hell, as those who go there prefer to walk in their own darkness and to rebel against God

 

[Corn]

God sent none to Hell, as those who go there prefer to walk in their own darkness and to rebel against God

Apologies...I believe a little differently here. I believe that Hell and Jail are the the same thing. I believe do not kill and do not steal were warnings. I believe we were.not to become involved with the one who makes money...government (these days) or Egytian religion.

 

[Jesua888]

All who go to hell are having the Father say to them" Your will is now getting done"

"After a time on earth of great suffering and tribulation (Matthew 24:21–22), Jesus has finally returned as the King and the Judge (Matthew 25:31–32). Sitting on His throne, He has gathered people before Him and divided them into two groups, labelled as "sheep" and "goats" (Matthew 25:33) The reason for this symbolism is simply that of separating two similar-but-different sets of people. Those hearing Christ's words in person would have been familiar with shepherding; splitting up sheep and goats when bringing them in for the night was apparently a standard practice."

This summary of John 3:16 came up ... It appears to be referring to a time not yet come ...

Do unbelievers go to "hell" before End Times?

"The final place of eternal torment for unbelievers is the lake of fire (Rev 20:10), but they will not be sent there by God until his final act of judgment known as the Great White Throne judgment (Rev 20:11-15). That will be a time of bodily, spiritual torment."

 

[Christ4Ever]

Would a person first have to believe in a supreme being? And if they do, what is the person to do since beliefs cannot be consciously chosen?

I would point that person to Mark 9:24
To even ask the question, it shows a relative amount of faith, though with doubtful belief.
I don't believe if they have no faith at all, that the question would even be a consideration to them.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[YeshuaFan]

I would point that person to Mark 9:24
To even ask the question, it shows a relative amount of faith, though with doubtful belief.
I don't believe if they have no faith at all, that the question would even be a consideration to them.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Would have to receive Lord Jesus as their savior and Lord

 

[Corn]

I would point that person to Mark 9:24
To even ask the question, it shows a relative amount of faith, though with doubtful belief.
I don't believe if they have no faith at all, that the question would even be a consideration to them.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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I think it's more like did you believe what Jesus said, rather than believe "in".
I'm following the Attorney General Kris Mayes. I believe in her ways. She's saving people from chemicals toxins. I believe in her. I'm supporting her. I believe In the love in her heart for her people. I'm following her.

Following Jesus is the same type thing. Simple.

 

[Christ4Ever]

I think it's more like did you believe what Jesus said, rather than believe "in".
I'm following the Attorney General Kris Mayes. I believe in her ways. She's saving people from chemicals toxins. I believe in her. I'm supporting her. I believe In the love in her heart for her people. I'm following her.

Following Jesus is the same type thing. Simple.

A bit of difference between what one says, and what one does.
Only Jesus' Life, Death, Resurrection covers all the bases leaving no doubt of the in/out of who He is forever more.

As far the Arizona AG goes. Well, being that she is pro-choice on the Abortion issues, just means she's more on the liberal bend of the spectrum politically. Also, being a Lesbian would have me lean away from her. Then again, there are many conservatives that I disagree with as well who are immoral as well.

So, one can easily pick and choose what policies one agrees with or disagrees with and lean to voting for that person you agree with the most. I guess it depends on whether you use the Bible as prism to evaluate the world in its walk, versus the other way around. So, following a person instead of Jesus no matter how feeling they may be, is not something I would suggest one do.

Oh, I would also look to her stance on "public accommodation law". Not, a supporter of what I would call religious exception of those standing on their faith/belief. But that's the world for you and why following Jesus (Word of God) instead of people won't lead you wrong.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[YeshuaFan]

I think it's more like did you believe what Jesus said, rather than believe "in".
I'm following the Attorney General Kris Mayes. I believe in her ways. She's saving people from chemicals toxins. I believe in her. I'm supporting her. I believe In the love in her heart for her people. I'm following her.

Following Jesus is the same type thing. Simple.

You must place faith in the person and work of Jesus upon that Cross, not just follow His teachings, as we are saved by what He did, not by what he spoke

 

[Butch5]

The concept of Hell is a myth from paganism. The words often translated hell, hades and Gehenna, are both locations. Hades is the grave, and Gehenna is a valley located just outside of Jerusalem. In Greek mythology Hades is both the name of the underworld and the god who supposedly reigns there. The Greeks believed that the dead both good and bad, lived on after death and they would go to hades. This idea became "hell" in old English.

 

[Corn]

A bit of difference between what one says, and what one does.
Only Jesus' Life, Death, Resurrection covers all the bases leaving no doubt of the in/out of who He is forever more.

As far the Arizona AG goes. Well, being that she is pro-choice on the Abortion issues, just means she's more on the liberal bend of the spectrum politically. Also, being a Lesbian would have me lean away from her. Then again, there are many conservatives that I disagree with as well who are immoral as well.

So, one can easily pick and choose what policies one agrees with or disagrees with and lean to voting for that person you agree with the most. I guess it depends on whether you use the Bible as prism to evaluate the world in its walk, versus the other way around. So, following a person instead of Jesus no matter how feeling they may be, is not something I would suggest one do.

Oh, I would also look to her stance on "public accommodation law". Not, a supporter of what I would call religious exception of those standing on their faith/belief. But that's the world for you and why following Jesus (Word of God) instead of people won't lead you wrong.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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I suppose you can find fault with me too. I'm not perfect. That is why we were not to judge. If you judge everyone, we'll, judging is what gets you into trouble. Who are you to judge who God uses?
I've had words with her...millions of words. I explained how the toxins are killing our water and if the water dies, we all die. So far, she's the ONLY one who listens. I forgive everyone and I love everyone, so I just try not to judge her.
Besides, maybe she changed? Who am I to talk negative of her soul? That would scare me.i won't judge her or her reputation. I run on faith and love and she responded alone. I believe that she has live in her heart, so I'm all in.

 

[Corn]

You must place faith in the person and work of Jesus upon that Cross, not just follow His teachings, as we are saved by what He did, not by what he spoke

That's why I'm just my own religion, I suppose. Main belief is that if we love one another as yourself, there's no need for any other rule because Love will prevail.
If you lved your neighbor as yourself, who would be homeless? It wouldn't exist.
I can't rebutted your religion. I'm hunting my people. My father was hidden.
I was homeless a year ago. I live in a dining room.
I believe that my savior has put his faith in me. As a child I believed what i chose and these are my beliefs...
The lesson of the lamps...go with what you have
The lesson of feeding the 5,000
Don't worry about food.
The lesson of the birds...
Don't worry, as the birds eat from nature, so will you.
Plant your own food and no one can take your mind. Eat from my table that I have prepared for you.
This is My way...
I don't claim anything else.
If I've misunderstood, it's my own fault, UT I'm a lamp, so I'm going with the lamp story...it'd what ive got.
I use litigation because I've fought government so long I've learned their ways...not I'm litigating that their ways are not valid, and are against mother nature that was created so we can be saved.
I believe that chemicals are killing our planet and I'm fighting to save it as through the only way I know...
The corrupt system of justice!!!
I found a kindred spirit.
I'm going with it.
Follow your beliefs.
I'm following mine.
I couldn't find the way..

So I made my own way with what I knew.
I believe that if we eat from our own garden without chemicals and fake labels, we all will see the truth.
I'm Crazy. But thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
Not trying to judge you. I'm just trying to find my own way. I'm not changing my beliefs even if they're crazy. I adapt. I accept that I could be crazy
But I'm eating from my garden and I see what others can't see, so I say,
GO WITH WHAT YOU SEE.
I GO WITH WHAT I SEE.
After all, you're only responsible for your own decisions so don't worry about what others think.

 

[YeshuaFan]

That's why I'm just my own religion, I suppose. Main belief is that if we love one another as yourself, there's no need for any other rule because Love will prevail.
If you lved your neighbor as yourself, who would be homeless? It wouldn't exist.
I can't rebutted your religion. I'm hunting my people. My father was hidden.
I was homeless a year ago. I live in a dining room.
I believe that my savior has put his faith in me. As a child I believed what i chose and these are my beliefs...
The lesson of the lamps...go with what you have
The lesson of feeding the 5,000
Don't worry about food.
The lesson of the birds...
Don't worry, as the birds eat from nature, so will you.
Plant your own food and no one can take your mind. Eat from my table that I have prepared for you.
This is My way...
I don't claim anything else.
If I've misunderstood, it's my own fault, UT I'm a lamp, so I'm going with the lamp story...it'd what ive got.
I use litigation because I've fought government so long I've learned their ways...not I'm litigating that their ways are not valid, and are against mother nature that was created so we can be saved.
I believe that chemicals are killing our planet and I'm fighting to save it as through the only way I know...
The corrupt system of justice!!!
I found a kindred spirit.
I'm going with it.
Follow your beliefs.
I'm following mine.
I couldn't find the way..

So I made my own way with what I knew.
I believe that if we eat from our own garden without chemicals and fake labels, we all will see the truth.
I'm Crazy. But thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
Not trying to judge you. I'm just trying to find my own way. I'm not changing my beliefs even if they're crazy. I adapt. I accept that I could be crazy
But I'm eating from my garden and I see what others can't see, so I say,
GO WITH WHAT YOU SEE.
I GO WITH WHAT I SEE.
After all, you're only responsible for your own decisions so don't worry about what others think.

If one denied that Jesus is God in human flesh, and whose Cross would be the only way to salvation, that person would not be a Christian

 

[Corn]

If one denied that Jesus is God in human flesh, and whose Cross would be the only way to salvation, that person would not be a Christian

Well, I could say the same? Who are you to say who I am? I can show you my bloodlines. I have spoken against religion and many things too. But what I hear you say is once condemned always condemned. I don't believe that. I believe in forgiveness.
Mostly, we're adopted into the family..

Mostly fan, I would say this...
God's love was for all. When I read your belief, I'm not sure exactly what you're even saying. It xould be taken many ways. But I wont be judging who's in and who's not. Christians are known by their love.
I don't see any near me, or I would ask for help. I asked every single church when I became homeless. They gave me rules. I just found my own way without the help.I took marijuanna for extreme hospice pain. Shelters refused me. CHURCH said lie and say I don't partake. I refused to lie. St Vince says people will never know you lied as medical records are private.
I stood up for truth. I did without shelter. I followed Jesus example and pointed out what real live looks like. I refused to take a shelter in exchange for my morals. If Jesus takes the stable, so can I. I'm doing a little better now. A dining room is a better place to sleep than a stable, so I didn't have to suffer so much.
Everyone makes their own way. There's not one way...it's the way to Love. God is Love. There's many ways

 

[Christ4Ever]

I suppose you can find fault with me too. I'm not perfect. That is why we were not to judge. If you judge everyone, we'll, judging is what gets you into trouble. Who are you to judge who God uses?
I've had words with her...millions of words. I explained how the toxins are killing our water and if the water dies, we all die. So far, she's the ONLY one who listens. I forgive everyone and I love everyone, so I just try not to judge her.
Besides, maybe she changed? Who am I to talk negative of her soul? That would scare me.i won't judge her or her reputation. I run on faith and love and she responded alone. I believe that she has live in her heart, so I'm all in.

lol - don't take it personal brother! You brought her name up, not I!

Just seeing her stances that don't go hand in hand with Scripture that is all. I mean the person she might be running against could be worse! So, when voting, and I do vote, I use scripture against the positions they take making the call for me, unless the Holy Spirit tells me/moves me to do otherwise.

I would suggest not to use that "not to judge" position as a carte blanche for not using discernment, especially when dealing with the world of politics. So, she holds a few positions you agree with, but I notice you don't talk of any you disagree with her on. Like you said about yourself, and could be said about all but Jesus, we are not perfect. Still, we don't use that as an excuse for not trying to be. We do that by trying to be like Christ Jesus, an example we should follow.

That this lady may be pro-environment, doesn't negate some of the other items that she is for. You can multi-task on these things Your concern on that should be less than the non-believer because we as believers have a New Heavens & New Earth to look forward to! (Revelation 21:1) That is all I will say on the matter, since unless I move to AZ, or she goes national, I won't have to deal with having to choose either way.

That she may know Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior in her life, to me is more important than all else concerning her. I tried to find out about her belief system but could not find anything. Not that I tried very hard, but maybe you know where she stands as far as that goes. We should be more concerned with her salvation, and that of her family, which has eternal consequences, then the things that are temporal and will one day be gone.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Corn]

Well, I do not know how to answer to any of this. You are making assumptions that if I believe one thing that I must believe another. I do not know anything of religion about the AG...I just know that she is calling out for justice.
Honestly, I don't believe in government. But I wrote to my AG Kris Mayes. I brought 71 cases to her calendar for people. I had some negative intent and anger. Then, she began investigating and she believes me. She litigates what I show her. So I began to work WITH her...
I don't judge her!!! I saw her heart was like mine.
I withdrew all cases and went a better way. Now, other AGs ate involved and she is working to save people.
I don't care who she is.
I don't care if she believes in Abortion.
She is working to save all people, not just her state and I love her for it.
Her beliefs can change.
I dont judge a heart. If i feel love, I FOLLOW LOVE AND ALL PATHS TO LOVE.

I nearly died in 2021 but I got all of the documentation to save others. That's what I believe..dying to save others.
DO SOMETHING WORTH DYING FOR.

 

[Christ4Ever]

You are making assumptions that if I believe one thing that I must believe another.

Your own words seem to suggest that you do. We should consider the whole of what someone stands for, rather than focusing on just one point we agree with while ignoring other beliefs that may be disagreeable or even unbiblical.

I don't care if she believes in Abortion.
She is working to save all people, not just her state and I love her for it.

You say she saves people, but actually she doesn't. It's not in her domain to do so. Only through Jesus Christ will one be saved, and they must be drawn by the Father. Even in the worldly concept it doesn't hold water what you said. You say she saves people, well that may be true if you do not consider the unborn people too. Which apparently, she does not.

I love my children too. Yet, I correct them when they are wrong and compliment them on doing right. In either case it does not negate the love I have for them.

I don't care who she is.
I don't care if she believes in Abortion.

You should, because you might just as easily be siding with the devil, offering little comfort to those who die because of them, while you turn a blind eye to the things that matter less to you.

I dont judge a heart.

Of course not. Only God can see to the truth of what is in a person's heart and judge it. You might think she is agreeing with what you believe in, but in truth you have no idea what her motivation for doing so is, because you cannot see to what is in her heart for doing so. You just assume it is because she has the same heart for these things as you do.

Like you do not believe in government, I do not believe in politicians and what they say. At the same time, they are patting you on the back with one hand, while picking your pocket with the other.

I nearly died in 2021 but I got all of the documentation to save others. That's what I believe..dying to save others.
DO SOMETHING WORTH DYING FOR.

Alleluia! Thank God for that, and for Christ Jesus, in whom there is life eternal. Jesus is worth dying for brother.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[th1bill]

Apologies...I believe a little differently here. I believe that Hell and Jail are the the same thing. I believe do not kill and do not steal were warnings. I believe we were.not to become involved with the one who makes money...government (these days) or Egytian religion.

Scripture, any scripture, cannot be correctly understood without the light of all scripture shining upon it. And Scripture does not teach what you have learned somewhere/

 

[Corn]

Scripture, any scripture, cannot be correctly understood without the light of all scripture shining upon it. And Scripture does not teach what you have learned somewhere/

I do not believe this way.
I believe that we ate all as innocent children to God, and that it's easy.
If you love people it shows by your actions.saving people is an action. Saving people form stress and all the evils that come grom homelessness so hard they risk losing everything even their faith.
Live is the way. All religions speak it as the Golden Rule. It's easy. Nothing else is needed but the actions.
YoUR celebration of Jesus is coming up and he showed you the way. It may be that all you have is a stable to offer a homeless one, but sometimes a stable is good enough to save a soul. What better time than Christmas the very holiday for the Greatest Love that saved the baby from coming without shelter. ??
That's what I see.
I see that we're all like a Kaleidescape. We all get the same words but how we see it is all different, never the same.
But what you see is up to you to translate for yourself. Only your interpretation is your rules. I believe my own way. There's no judge so the way is to decide for yourself and work out your own Salvation.

 

[th1bill]

I do not believe this way.
I believe that we ate all as innocent children to God, and that it's easy.
If you love people it shows by your actions.saving people is an action. Saving people form stress and all the evils that come grom homelessness so hard they risk losing everything even their faith.
Live is the way. All religions speak it as the Golden Rule. It's easy. Nothing else is needed but the actions.
YoUR celebration of Jesus is coming up and he showed you the way. It may be that all you have is a stable to offer a homeless one, but sometimes a stable is good enough to save a soul. What better time than Christmas the very holiday for the Greatest Love that saved the baby from coming without shelter. ??
That's what I see.
I see that we're all like a Kaleidescape. We all get the same words but how we see it is all different, never the same.
But what you see is up to you to translate for yourself. Only your interpretation is your rules. I believe my own way. There's no judge so the way is to decide for yourself and work out your own Salvation.

Okay, you believe a lie based on the clear teaching of the "whole" of scripture and Yashuah will tell you to depart from Him because He never knew you here on earth, (Matt. 7"23) Sad, but true, many good people will suffer in Hell and the Lake of Fire and Yashua, Jesus in the Greek, "is" our salvation.