Why Hebrews?

[NetChaplain]

I find it interesting that many Gentiles were called God's people in the Old testament. Ruth for example was a Moabite ( Ruth 1:4; )
God sent Jonah to Ninevah (an Assyrian city) to get them to repent ( Jonah 3; Matt 12:41; Luke 11:32; )

I'm referring in the general sense, that Israel consist primarily of Abraham's posterity (through his grandson Jacob), plus I believe these replies are not addressing the thread's subject matter concerning the Church.

 

[B-A-C]

Eph 2:11; Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—
Eph 2:12; remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

Here we have the Gentiles and the Jews, obviously two separate groups of people.

Eph 2:14; For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
Eph 2:15; by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,
Eph 2:16; and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.

Now He has broke down the dividing wall between the two groups, that they might become "one new man" (verse 15)
He has reconciled them both in "one body".

Rom 11:17; But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18; do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
Rom 11:19; You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”
Rom 11:20; Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
Rom 11:21; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
Rom 11:22; Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
Rom 11:23; And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
Rom 11:24; For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

Again, we see the "wild olive branches" and the "natural olive branches" but both are grafted into the same tree, not two separate trees.

 

[B-A-C]

plus I believe these replies are not addressing the thread's subject matter concerning the Church.

That is the whole point here. What IS the church? Is it Jews? Is it Gentiles? It's God's people. Yes, you're right, some Jews are believers and others aren't.
But the believing Jews are just as much a part of the body as the gentiles are and vice-versa.

 

[NetChaplain]

That is the whole point here. What IS the church? Is it Jews? Is it Gentiles? It's God's people. Yes, you're right, some Jews are believers and others aren't.
But the believing Jews are just as much a part of the body as the gentiles are and vice-versa.

The unbelieving Jews represent Israel in general, and there can be no dispute that believers in Christ represent the Church. It is the unbelieving Jews in the Millennium which will finally believe in Christ, which will involve "all Israel" who remain at that time, which "shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob" (Rom 11:26). This is not the present position of Israel.

 

[NoHype]

Hi NH - The difference we have here, which leads to other numerous differences, is that my belief is that Israel is not the Church and visa verso, and it being a foundation-truth concerning Israel disallows anything secure to debating concerning this issue.

God's blessings To Your Family!

That's where you've missed the boat so to speak, because that idea about God's Israel being separate from Christ's Church was a idea from the Dispensationalists of the 19th century. It does not align with God's Word nor history.

I myself have done a thorough study on what happened to the ten tribes of Israel and where they were scattered to per history, and how they became the founders of the western Christian nations, and I followed God's prophecies in His Word about it as the main leading. It's because those prophecies are mainly through God's Old Testament prophets. Those not aware of that history and what's in those prophecies is because they have not... studied their Old Testament histories, nor have they fathomed what those prophecies are about. Because many brethren in the Church are ignorant about this history and God's Word about it, they are subject to listening to men who don't have a clue about it.

Some pastors that know still won't preach it in congregations because they are afraid it will somehow alienate the believers of the nations not of Israel. In reality though, its understanding even for believers of the nations will show them how God accomplishes what He says, and His prophecies on the matter happened as written. In Romans Apostle Paul covers some of this when quoting from the Book of Hosea to the Romans, because the prophecies written in Hosea were especially about and written to the ten tribes of Israel under Ephraim. Yet Paul is speaking to all believers among the Romans, both Israelites and Gentiles when quoting from those prophecies in Hosea.

Still others like many Jews are against this study because they want the world to think that God completely discarded the ten tribes of Israel, when the real truth is that Gentile nations like Edom and later Khazars (Ashkenazi Jews today) became religious Jews in later history making up the majority of Jews today (see Shlomo Sand’s book How and When the Jewish People Was Invented can be found in Ofri Ilani’s article Shattering a ‘national mythology’ (Ha’aretz, 21 March, 2008)
And then there's the Dispensationalism of John Darby in 1830's Great Britain and its later runners like Scofield. Their idea that Israel must be apart from Christ's Church was dreamed up in order to support their Pre-Trib Rapture theory. What they actually did was completely separate Israel from the New Covenant under Christ Jesus when our Lord Jesus said He was sent specifically to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

This is why the foundation of Christ's Church began with believing Israelites in Jerusalem, and the Apostles were chosen to take The Gospel specifically to the peoples of Europe and Asia Minor. It's because that's where the majority of the ten tribes, and also many of scattered Judah, were established at Christ's first coming. This is why God told Jacob in Gen.35 that from his seed would come "a nation" and "a company of nations". It is why Jacob then told Joseph his son Ephraim would become "a multitude of nations" (Gen.48).

Many in the Church have denied this long enough because of outside influences against it. We can either learn about now through God's Word and history, or wait until many are shocked when our Lord Jesus returns when He reveals like He showed in Ezekiel 37 through 39.

 

[NetChaplain]

That's where you've missed the boat so to speak, because that idea about God's Israel being separate from Christ's Church was a idea from the Dispensationalists of the 19th century.

I believe the Christian writers within dispensation thoughts were the ones who understand well concerning many Biblical truths, and it's because they maintain parallelism with Scripture.

 

[NoHype]

I believe the Christian writers within dispensation thoughts were the ones who understand well concerning many Biblical truths, and it's because they maintain parallelism with Scripture.

Although there's some seemingly useful ideas in John Darby's doctrine of Dispensationalism it can lead to a trap away from discovery of exactly what I've been talking about. And a lot of ideas of what's called Dispensationalism today have differences from Darby's original idea who was the founder of the doctrine.

Dispensationalism's main supporting idea regarding the end times is Darby's secret Pre-Tribulational Rapture idea. That's the doctrine Darby was on which he got from the Irvingite movement in 1830's Britain, so his doctrine of Dispensationalism was based on that rapture theory, and thus his ideas that the Church is separate from Israel because of the belief that the Church is raptured prior to the great tribulation while Israel is left behind. That's really the 'parallelism' you're speaking of, a parallel with Darby's doctrines and not a parallel with Scripture. It's because Scripture does not teach the Church will be raptured to Heaven prior to the great tribulation. Our Lord Jesus and His Apostles in fact taught just the opposite, that He comes to gather His Church after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 which are the events of 1 Thess.4 and 1 Cor.15 that Paul explained).

I know the Pre-trib rapture theory is a popular doctrine today, but it is not Biblical. For over 1,800 years the Christian Church held to a post-tribulational coming of Christ Jesus and gathering of His Church both from Heaven and from the earth. In the writings of the early Church fathers you will also find that is what they held to and understood per God's Holy Writ.

 

[DHC]

Hello B-A-C.

I have some other pressing tasks to attend to and will reply soon.

Thanks B-A-C.

Your point is valid B-A-C.

There are also many other traits that a teacher could exhibit which would also be offensive.
Like you I would be deeply offended if someone committed adultery with my wife. But I do not
mean in the legal, Old Covenant sense of adultery. Otherwise I would be stoning them to
death which is what the law required. I am referring to the general legal sense of adultery
from the commandments. Not "thou shall not commit adultery" but you will abstain from
sexual immorality.

If I was to place myself under the law of adultery in the commandments, then I would
be a member of the Old Covenant. Israel's legal code cannot be obeyed in a formal
sense by us, otherwise circumcision is required. We must pay very careful attention
to what God has revealed to us B-A-C. If I placed myself under the law then I would
be in error. If I noted what the law said and understood that God's desires us to be
sexually clean. Then I am not under the law but very aware of God's Holiness.

 

[NoHype]

Your point is valid B-A-C.

If I was to place myself under the law of adultery in the commandments, then I would
be a member of the Old Covenant. Israel's legal code cannot be obeyed in a formal
sense by us, otherwise circumcision is required. We must pay very careful attention
to what God has revealed to us B-A-C. If I placed myself under the law then I would
be in error. If I noted what the law said and understood that God's desires us to be
sexually clean. Then I am not under the law but very aware of God's Holiness.

And yet the sin of adultery is still against the law in every Christian nation that I know of today. Being found guilty of it allows one's spouse to a legal... divorce, the very application that our Lord Jesus explained in Matthew 19:9. So how can you say you're not under that if you're married and have a spouse? Many U.S. states have sodomy as being against the law too (though not as enforced as it used to be). So there's still laws in effect today against sexual immorality that you're also under still. So when will you admit that God's laws have just not gone away like you'd like to think?

There's major reason why our Lord Jesus said the following...

Matt 5:18-19
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
(KJV)

When we as Christians follow our Lord's commandments, and even teach others in that, the reward for doing so is different than with those who don't keep those things Jesus said to do nor teach them to others.

So I can't imagine what kind of reward one will receive for going totally against His commandments and even teaching others to do likewise!

 

[james1523]

That's where you've missed the boat so to speak, because that idea about God's Israel being separate from Christ's Church was a idea from the Dispensationalists of the 19th century. It does not align with God's Word nor history.

I myself have done a thorough study on what happened to the ten tribes of Israel and where they were scattered to per history, and how they became the founders of the western Christian nations, and I followed God's prophecies in His Word about it as the main leading. It's because those prophecies are mainly through God's Old Testament prophets. Those not aware of that history and what's in those prophecies is because they have not... studied their Old Testament histories, nor have they fathomed what those prophecies are about. Because many brethren in the Church are ignorant about this history and God's Word about it, they are subject to listening to men who don't have a clue about it.

Some pastors that know still won't preach it in congregations because they are afraid it will somehow alienate the believers of the nations not of Israel. In reality though, its understanding even for believers of the nations will show them how God accomplishes what He says, and His prophecies on the matter happened as written. In Romans Apostle Paul covers some of this when quoting from the Book of Hosea to the Romans, because the prophecies written in Hosea were especially about and written to the ten tribes of Israel under Ephraim. Yet Paul is speaking to all believers among the Romans, both Israelites and Gentiles when quoting from those prophecies in Hosea.

Still others like many Jews are against this study because they want the world to think that God completely discarded the ten tribes of Israel, when the real truth is that Gentile nations like Edom and later Khazars (Ashkenazi Jews today) became religious Jews in later history making up the majority of Jews today (see Shlomo Sand’s book How and When the Jewish People Was Invented can be found in Ofri Ilani’s article Shattering a ‘national mythology’ (Ha’aretz, 21 March, 2008)
And then there's the Dispensationalism of John Darby in 1830's Great Britain and its later runners like Scofield. Their idea that Israel must be apart from Christ's Church was dreamed up in order to support their Pre-Trib Rapture theory. What they actually did was completely separate Israel from the New Covenant under Christ Jesus when our Lord Jesus said He was sent specifically to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

This is why the foundation of Christ's Church began with believing Israelites in Jerusalem, and the Apostles were chosen to take The Gospel specifically to the peoples of Europe and Asia Minor. It's because that's where the majority of the ten tribes, and also many of scattered Judah, were established at Christ's first coming. This is why God told Jacob in Gen.35 that from his seed would come "a nation" and "a company of nations". It is why Jacob then told Joseph his son Ephraim would become "a multitude of nations" (Gen.48).

Many in the Church have denied this long enough because of outside influences against it. We can either learn about now through God's Word and history, or wait until many are shocked when our Lord Jesus returns when He reveals like He showed in Ezekiel 37 through 39.

Hello NoHype. Correct me if i'm wrong, but do you believe in Anglo-Israelism, or the view that the western nations are founded from the tribes of Israel, rather than the sons of Noah.
And what is your opinion of interracial marriages?

The Israelites were definitely scattered throughout the nations, but were they the founders of those nations? There is no historical evidence to prove this. Also, a nation founded by the lost tribes, is a sense of gathering, not dispersion, and the geographical areas God assigned to Abraham and the Israelites - Europe and the British Isles are not.

 

[NoHype]

Hello NoHype. Correct me if i'm wrong, but do you believe in Anglo-Israelism, or the view that the western nations are founded from the tribes of Israel, rather than the sons of Noah.

Are there western nations like today's even mentioned in Genesis right after Noah? I didn't know that. What's your evidence for that idea? Don't you believe God's Word about the lineage of Shem from which came the Semitic peoples descended from Abraham like Israelites?

There is archaeological, anthropological, and historical evidence that the Cimmerian and Scythian tribes are who migrated into Asia Minor and Europe and became the western nations, which secularists claim to have been an Indo-European people. Professor Leroy Waterman of the University of Michigan in his 1930's translation of the Assyrian tablets translated the name Gimira which the Assyrians called the captive ten tribes of Israel to the name Cimmerian (the C pronounced like a K).


Can you explain this prophecy concerning Jacob and Ephraim, specifically the parts in red?

Gen 35:10-11
10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
(KJV)


Gen 48:16-19
16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.
18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
(KJV)

When were the Israelites descended from Jacob "a company of nations" and Ephraim's seed "a multitude of nations"?

And what is your opinion of interracial marriages?

My opinion on the matter is the same as God's opinion. He showed we are not to marry outside our race. Afterall, He created all the races of mankind as per His Holy Writ. Your just probably not familiar that He did that creating of the races on His 6th day along with His creating of a specific Adam He placed in His Garden (see Gen.1:26-27 in the Hebrew manuscripts). And when He was done He said it was very good.

The Israelites were definitely scattered throughout the nations, but were they the founders of those nations? There is no historical evidence to prove this. Also, a nation founded by the lost tribes, is a sense of gathering, not dispersion, and the geographical areas God assigned to Abraham and the Israelites - Europe and the British Isles are not.

That's where you're wrong, and have adopted more of a liberalist secular view than an actual Biblical and non-secularist archaeological view. There's a very valid reason why little things exist like the people of Denmark pronouncing it Dan-mark, and an early people existed in ancient Ireland called the Tuatha de Daanan, even with ancient Ireland being called Hibernia which comes from the name Eber from which comes the word Hebrew.


These Scots in 1320 A.D. knew what I'm talking about concerning their heritage from Israel...

"Most Holy Father, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. It journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage peoples, but nowhere could it be subdued by any people, however barbarous. Thence it came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to its home in the west where it still lives today.
....


The high qualities and merits of these people, were they not otherwise manifest, shine forth clearly
enough from this: that the King of kings and Lord of lords, our Lord Jesus Christ, after His Passion and Resurrection, called them, even though settled in the uttermost parts of the earth, almost the first to His most holy faith."
(from the Scottish Declaration of Arbroath of 1320)

 

[NoHype]

A warning to the brethren about the ten lost tribes of Israel subject:

Bible history shows how God split the nation of Israel after Solomon's days into two separate kingdoms, each with its own king and capital city. The two kingdoms even had war against each other (see 1 Kings 11 forward for the start of that history).

Then by the time of 2 Kings 17-18, the northern ten tribe kingdom called the "house of Israel" in God's Word drops out of the chronology of 2 Kings because of their falling away from God and His allowing the kings of Assyria to remove them captive to Assyria and the land of the Medes, never to return to the holy lands as a people.

Here's who made up those two separate kingdoms after the split:

"house of Judah" - southern kingdom - capital at Jerusalem (the Jews)
Judah, Benjamin, Levi

"house of Israel" - northern kingdom - capital at Samaria
Ephraim (head and king line God set per 1 Kings 11)
Manasseh, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Zebulon, Simeon, Reuben, Dan, Issachar

Which kingdom above do you think made up the majority of God's people of Israel? The northern kingdom of ten tribes of course. Per the Jewish historian Josephus, those of the southern kingdom of Judah began calling themselves by the title of Jew (from the name Judah). The ten tribes did not use that title of Jew.

Because of that scattering, many of today's Jews no longer believe the ten tribes of Israel as an important subject, that they are lost forever, and a lot of them would just rather we didn't mention it. The fact of the matter though is that the ten tribes made up the majority of the peoples of Israel. God made no mention of their being diminished in numbers when He scattered them out of the holy land. Josephus said in his day the ten tribes were still scattered abroad and made up a great many people, too many to be numbered. That means even in 100 A.D. when the Jewish historian Josephus lived, the Jews still knew the ten tribes existed abroad and were still a great number of people, even the majority of Israelites.

John 7:35
35 Then said the Jews among themselves, "Whither will He go, that we shall not find Him? will He go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?"
(KJV)

That's exactly where The Gospel of Jesus Christ would be taken to after His death on the cross, to the dispersed tribes of Israel that were among the Gentiles. Exactly where... was that brethren?

... to the nations of Asia Minor and Europe!

Those were the areas where The Gospel immediately took root after the passion of Christ where Christ's Apostles and disciples would go. Were those Jews in John 7 only speaking of their brethren Jews dispersed among those Gentiles? Of course not, for if Josephus well knew the ten tribes were scattered among the Gentiles in his day, and they were a great number of people, those Jews of John 7 certainly would have known that also!

But false Jews of the synagogue of Satan (Rev.2:9) will still push their propaganda machine to try make the world believe that the only seed of Israel existing today are Jews, and that everybody else are Gentiles. It's really a slap in God's face because God revealed through His prophets that He will gather all the ten tribes back to Him in final under Christ Jesus, and join them with the "house of Judah" again (Ezek.37). So those of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi that are the Jews today best get ready for it, and stop listening to those false Jew foreigners that exist among them.

God promised Jacob that his seed would become "a company of nations" and that his grandson's seed of Ephraim would become "a multitude of nations" (Gen.35 & 48). That means Israelite nations (plural) because God renamed Jacob to Israel, and Jacob applied that name Israel to his grandsons Ephraim and Manasseh. God made the leaders of Ephraim the head tribe over the ten tribes per 1 Kings 11, which was in accord with His Birthright through Jacob to Ephraim in Gen.48. The only portion of God's Birthright that remained with Judah was the royal sceptre rule and care of the law (Gen.49:10; 1 Chronicles 5).

So where... are those multitude of Israelite nations per history? Afterall God prophesied it to Jacob and Ephraim, yet there has only ever been just one nation called Israel throughout later history, the one in the holy land at Jerusalem/Judea at Christ's first coming and later in 1948 created by U.N. Charter vote. The Gen.35 prophecy God told Jacob that of his seed would come "a nation..." covers that single nation of Israel, but it does NOT cover the rest of that prophecy that Jacob would also become "a company of nations". So where were they, or are they, per history?

How big of an anvil does it take to wake people up about this simple prophecy concerning the seed of Israel becoming a multitude of nations, and how it involved the history of The Gospel and the western Christian nations??? Has the new world order baloney taken over so many brethren's minds that they cannot fathom this Truth from God's Word? Has their propaganda machine and lying secularist histories taken over so many brethren's minds that it's now impossible to understand this prophecy and to whom and where it points directly to? It would seem so, blind leaders of the blind those are that try and teach against this matter.

 

[james1523]

Are there western nations like today's even mentioned in Genesis right after Noah? I didn't know that. What's your evidence for that idea? Don't you believe God's Word about the lineage of Shem from which came the Semitic peoples descended from Abraham like Israelites?


There is archaeological, anthropological, and historical evidence that the Cimmerian and Scythian tribes are who migrated into Asia Minor and Europe and became the western nations, which secularists claim to have been an Indo-European people. Professor Leroy Waterman of the University of Michigan in his 1930's translation of the Assyrian tablets translated the name Gimira which the Assyrians called the captive ten tribes of Israel to the name Cimmerian (the C pronounced like a K).




Can you explain this prophecy concerning Jacob and Ephraim, specifically the parts in red?


Gen 35:10-11
10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
(KJV)




Gen 48:16-19
16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.
18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
(KJV)


When were the Israelites descended from Jacob "a company of nations" and Ephraim's seed "a multitude of nations"?

The Bible teaches that Noah is the father of all the peoples on the earths. They were scattered after the tower of Babel. By the time the Israelite dispersion happened, the Israelites were dispersed throughout nations that already existed, and were not the founders of new ones. Western nations are gentiles founded from the sons of Noah, not the sons of Jacob. There was no such thing as lost tribes of Israel. The Bible never says they were lost, they were dispersed, scattered throughout all nations. The Bible never says they founded new nations either - that would mean they are no longer scattered and in dispersion! There are God's people in every nation - but did they found those nations? No, like the Jews living in Germany before WW2, they have dwelt within other nations and been a relatively persecuted minority.

My opinion on the matter is the same as God's opinion. He showed we are not to marry outside our race. Afterall, He created all the races of mankind as per His Holy Writ. Your just probably not familiar that He did that creating of the races on His 6th day along with His creating of a specific Adam He placed in His Garden (see Gen.1:26-27 in the Hebrew manuscripts). And when He was done He said it was very good.

God created Adam and Eve on the 6th day. There is no mention of God creating any other races or people at this time. There is no biblical justification against interracial marriage.

That's where you're wrong, and have adopted more of a liberalist secular view than an actual Biblical and non-secularist archaeological view. There's a very valid reason why little things exist like the people of Denmark pronouncing it Dan-mark, and an early people existed in ancient Ireland called the Tuatha de Daanan, even with ancient Ireland being called Hibernia which comes from the name Eber from which comes the word Hebrew.




These Scots in 1320 A.D. knew what I'm talking about concerning their heritage from Israel...


"Most Holy Father, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. It journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage peoples, but nowhere could it be subdued by any people, however barbarous. Thence it came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to its home in the west where it still lives today.
....




The high qualities and merits of these people, were they not otherwise manifest, shine forth clearly
enough from this: that the King of kings and Lord of lords, our Lord Jesus Christ, after His Passion and Resurrection, called them, even though settled in the uttermost parts of the earth, almost the first to His most holy faith."
(from the Scottish Declaration of Arbroath of 1320)

The middle ages was a time of much myth and legend, and many adopted names from Greek mythology or Judaism in order to gain a sense of national pride and identity and hope to be of noble and legendary origin, rather than simply acknowledging their true origins - a bunch of ravenous and barbarous godless hoards. That's why the capital of France is called Paris (e.g. Trojan wars), supposedly France was the place where the Trojans fled and dwelt. There is no evidence that Denmark is derived from the name Dan the tribe. Dan derives from a word meaning 'flat land' and mark refers to woodland or borderland.


Modern evidence has effectively debunked the lost tribes of Israel claims. Tudor Vernon Parfitt , a British historian,s Emeritus Professor of Modern Jewish Studies suggests that the idea of British Israelism was inspired by numerous ideological factors, such as the desire for ordinary people to have a glorious ancestral past, pride in the British Empire, and the belief in the racial superiority of white Anglo-Saxon Protestants.


It is a shame that some continue to propagate these myths, under the guise of being "led by the Holy Spirit" and sound biblical exegesis.

 

[NoHype]

The Bible teaches that Noah is the father of all the peoples on the earths. They were scattered after the tower of Babel. By the time the Israelite dispersion happened, the Israelites were dispersed throughout nations that already existed, and were not the founders of new ones. Western nations are gentiles founded from the sons of Noah, not the sons of Jacob. There was no such thing as lost tribes of Israel. The Bible never says they were lost, they were dispersed, scattered throughout all nations. The Bible never says they founded new nations either - that would mean they are no longer scattered and in dispersion! There are God's people in every nation - but did they found those nations? No, like the Jews living in Germany before WW2, they have dwelt within other nations and been a relatively persecuted minority.

Wow that was quick. You have directly denied The Living Word of God that Jacob's seed was to become "a company of nations", and Ephraim's seed was to become "a multitude of nations", per the Gen.35 & 48 prophecies.

Gen 35:10-11
10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
(KJV)

Gen 48:19-20
19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.
(KJV)


You show you don't know what the heck you're talking about with this Bible subject of the ten lost tribes of Israel. Therefore, my conversation with you on the matter is over.