Why is everyone avoiding topics about the lgbt community?

[catholina]

That is what we call "fleshly lust" (works of the flesh) not love. Not normal for two men to kiss each other on the lips. Why do you think God made women for men? Can two men repopulate earth or two women? Mankind would cease to exist if the whole world thinks it is normal behavior.

The earth is overpopulation actually. And I highly doubt this will become “normal behaviour” in the sense that not everyone is going to be lgbt. What would you say to a man who has testicular cancer and cannot produce? Or couples who don’t want to produce children?
also a lot of kids don’t even have a home. Maybe we should focus on them instead of producing more children. When/if I decide to get married, whether in a straight or gay relationship, I will choose to adopt.

 

[Curtis]

The earth is overpopulation actually. And I highly doubt this will become “normal behaviour” in the sense that not everyone is going to be lgbt. What would you say to a man who has testicular cancer and cannot produce? Or couples who don’t want to produce children?
also a lot of kids don’t even have a home. Maybe we should focus on them instead of producing more children. When/if I decide to get married, whether in a straight or gay relationship, I will choose to adopt.

As it was in the days of Sodom and Gamora so it will be like when Jesus returns to judge the earth.

Luk 17:28 So also [it was the same] as it was in the days of Lot. [People] ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;
Luk 17:29 But on the [very] day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed [them] all.
Luk 17:30 That is the way it will be on the day that the Son of Man is revealed.

The earth is returning to the ways of Sodom and Gamora.

 

[catholina]

The earth is returning to the ways of Sodom and Gamora.

Hasn’t the earth pretty much always been turning back to those ways?

 

[Rhema]

I’ve prayed. Trust me I’ve prayed. I used to go outside and beg God to change how I felt or to just kill me right there. And I’m not “unclean” just for being lgbt.
why am I still transgender?

(Wrong God.....)
.

And there are a lot of wrong gods....

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

I want to know if I can still be trans and Christian at the same time.

There's a difference between "being" and "doing." And that difference makes all the difference.

I can’t change myself. I can’t stop being trans.

I understand and would agree with you.

I do this because it’s what I am.

Indeed, you were born that way. This is why Jesus came to show us how to be Born Again.

I don’t think I want to change my current relationship with God

Which God ?? God the Father of Jesus Christ ??

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Tell me the devil made this.

The devil isn't interested in you.

But indeed the actions of the devil led to the Fall of Creation, and everything around you needs to be seen in that light. NO ONE was born the way they were "supposed" to be. That's why all need to be Born from Above (Born again).

It's unlikely that anything I can say within this type of format could be of help to you. But that doesn't mean effective help doesn't exist.

But are you looking to accept God's Pattern (HIS way of things) or are you looking for God to accept your way ?? I'm truly not being snotty about this. I'm asking you to look into your motives, what you truly want to achieve from your relationship with God, the Father of Jesus Christ. Is it Truth, or just feeling all warm and fuzzy? There is a basic visceral drive deep within the human soul to "BELONG," yet following Jesus will typically not provide this.

And a certain scribe came, and said unto him, Master, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest. And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.​

(Matthew 8:19-20 KJV)​

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

That picture is absolutely disgusting to me.

Should Truth be established by your feelings ??

Rhema

(Their feelings ??)
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[Christ4Ever]

Dear @Bug, @catholina
It appears that you both allow for feelings to override what the Word of God intends for us to know. You have been given Scripture, in both testaments so that you might see the consistency of God. Bug you received a reply from me in the thread "Concerns About This Site (please read and reply)" I did reply and heard nothing back from you. Since I'm not sure whether Catholina read it, I'll copy and paste below my post since it deals with this subject. I'll include the link so that Scripture provided by others there you'll be able to access as well.
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Concerns About This Site (please read and reply) | Page 3 | Talk Jesus

Scripture is being changed to accommodate what the culture of the day finds acceptable. Bibles are being rewritten to exclude any mention of gender, much less anything that directs one to sin, especially as it pertains to morality. Homosexuality, Lesbianism, Bestiality, Pedophilia, and the list goes on is not new to today's times. Even the acceptability of it is not new.

You have been given Scripture to review, and its valid and right in doing so. You say you are a Christian and read the Bible. In that case the Holy Spirit will provide the insight/understanding of it, not humanity. Yet, reading a Bible that has accommodations to today's morality would not benefit you at all. If you must, then start with the original documents from which the Bibles in general used today have been translated from. And yes, they predate 1946. Keeping in mind that what was used instead of homosexuality was sodomites. Certain words may change, but the meaning/context of Scripture does not. So, research and you will find them not to agree with what you have been told/taught so far in your life. Sad, that it was so, because it is much more difficult to change your thought processes once they've been geared to see in one direction instead of another. Especially when told to you by one you love, and respect. However, if Christian/Believer is what you say you are, then the truth of Scripture by which you came to Jesus Christ is more important than anyone's sensibilities being hurt. Even your own. More importantly remember that our Lord suffered and died on that Cross for you and there is no sacrifice on own part that could return the price paid!

You have said that God is all about Love. God is also Holy, Just, Righteous, and other attributes/characteristics. It's humanity that tries to place Him in a box forgetting that for us to know Him completely would take an Eternity! We do know that He is Good, and all the time! Not by our standards or wants and desires as evidenced by God sending His Son to be sacrificed as He was, and not just for those who love him, but for those who don't as well! And that is the issue at hand here.

There is sufficient evidence in Scripture, both specific and suggested that what He has tried to save us from is sin/death, that prevents us from being with Him. That is why the closer we get to Him, the more evident the sin in our lives becomes. Like John said:

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 1:8-10 NKJV

Now what you have to do is identify what God, and His Word says what is considered sin. God will not make you do something that you don't want to do. That's not how God works. If you believe you are doing right, and it's not. Then He will provide you avenues by which you will be presented knowledge to what is right. However, it is up to you to accept it, and going to Him, He will help you change and move in the direction that He knows is best for you. Rarely do we want to or like it even!! The flesh is weak, but in Christ Jesus the Spirit is Stronger!!!

So, to give you a change up to how your reasoning opens the door to everything being permissible though not beneficial. If your reasoning is correct concerning morality then what others believe is right i.e., bestiality, pedophilia is also okay. For their reasoning is the same as yours. God is love and he made me this way!!! So, something has to give. Either you have it right or you don't. You have to follow God's way, or you don't. Don't just Seek/Research both sides of the issue, but in prayer seek the truth! Hold Scripture to be sacrosanct and use other documents only as guide to finding Scripture that will tell you not what other writers thing it says, but to what God wants you to know within the context of the words themselves. Our God is not a God of contusion!

Like I used 1 John 1:8-10 as a reference. Don't take my word for the context. Read it yourself!!! Go read the verses before and after. The chapter and if need be, Book, and Testament!! You have been bought for at great price. Don't allow others to dictate what you can easily do/find out for yourself. What you find in regard to this subject might turn your world upside down as you know it, but it's not this world that you are living for. You are living for Christ Jesus!!
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So, what you will find is that the flesh is weak, and sin marks us so that our reasoning becomes faulty outside of the Word of God, and when taken out of context, it too can lead us astray to what God wants us to know, verses what we believe it to say.

Another problem is when we find likeminded individuals who see things our way!!! This can at times be even more dangerous! Why? Because we give those others more credit than they deserve in knowing a truth that we want to believe is true! That is why in my above post, I mention to not trust even myself, but to do the necessary research yourself to find out the truth found in Scripture. Just know that if you both continue down the path you are living, it will draw you further away from God, and not closer to Him. I'm sure you see it otherwise, but God's Word is clear, but don't trust me in this. Research it!!! Don't let anything lead you astray. Not even your own feelings/desires. There is so much more to look forward to then what this World can provide you, or for that matter, any other person on this dying/darkening world can.

I hope and pray that you will find the fortitude to do what is necessary to find the truth, and that you will go to God, for the strength to follow through on a life that is Holy, Pure and Righteous!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[PloughBoy]

Bible Gateway Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

That is a good thing. That is not a bad thing to be judge with the same measure one use to judge another.

A plumb line at its best that is a aid in making a righteous judgement.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I’ve prayed. Trust me I’ve prayed. I used to go outside and beg God to change how I felt or to just kill me right there. And I’m not “unclean” just for being lgbt.
why am I still transgender?

Thanks for opening up this important thread. Much love to you and others who are in your situation.

My friend, If I may call you that ( I hope that is fine), I heard you say that you prayed for God to change you
and God did not. It seems like you must have been in pain and struggling with this weight. Reminds me
of this verse
2 Corinthians 12:8-10
"Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you,
for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so
that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships,
in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong."

The apostle Paul also had an issue, we aren't told what it was. Could he have been suffering with same sex attraction?
Maybe, maybe not, I don't know. But what ever it was, similar to you, he also prayed and beg God and God did
not take it away. Now why is that? umm.

Maybe perhaps we all have a cross to bear. I remember Jesus said that if anyone would follow Him he should
deny himself, take up his cross and follow him. Cross being that burden, that dying to the flesh.
As a hetersexual male I'll just be honest and embarrass myself right now and say that I ask God also to
take away some of the thoughts that come in my mind about women. It has gotten a lot better, but
can I be 100% honest with you. They haven't all gone, and I have to every day bear this cross and
die to my flesh daily.

My friend, I hear you sooo much talking about how natural it feels or about not having a choice.
Please don't focus on how natural it seems, because natural and good are not synonyms.

My advice, if you would have it, is consider if this is your cross to bear. Jesus can free you from this,
or like Paul, He may want to draw you closer into understanding that His Grace is sufficient for you.

Love and God Bless

 

[Rhema]

same why am I still transgender

When have you seen someone raised from the dead ??

( I have...)

Rhema

Isn't there some song about looking in all the wrong places ??

 

[catholina]

When have you seen someone raised from the dead ??

( I have...)

Rhema

Isn't there some song about looking in all the wrong places ??

what do you mean when you say you’ve seen someone raised from the dead? Could you please explain?

 

[Rhema]

what do you mean when you say you’ve seen someone raised from the dead? Could you please explain?

By PM... yes.

 

[Whendancer]

Alex, Have you ever considered the fact that instead of avoiding the issue, most of us have just decided to let the Scriptures that have been shared with you...SPEAK FOR ITSELF. If you are a RESPONSIBLE driver, you obey the traffic laws no matter WHAT you, personally, believe would be fair to you. Those laws have been put in place for the safety of ALL concerned. True? So, when you tell us that you want to TALK about the issue of homosexuality, we, who are mature in Christ, will point you to what the BIBLE has to say about it. GOD'S WORD HAS THE FINAL SAY ABOUT EVERY.....EVERY....EVERY DEBATE! It does not matter if it is about homosexuality, or how we choose to spend our spare time or money....or even how much food we choose to consume. When something is "out of balance" we seek GOD'S WORD as the ALREADY ESTABLISHED standard. So, you can keep pushing and pulling for people to get into the "boxing ring" with you....you'll get some takers. But, for those of us who have been IN CHRIST and have matured....we know a waste of time when we see it. BUT, having said that just know that those same mature followers of Christ are praying for (or have already prayed) your deliverance whether you BELIEVE you need it or not. Our ONLY enemy is Satan - not those that are ensnared in his deceptions and lies. Prayed for you.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Alex, Have you ever considered the fact that instead of avoiding the issue, most of us have just decided to let the Scriptures that have been shared with you...SPEAK FOR ITSELF. If you are a RESPONSIBLE driver, you obey the traffic laws no matter WHAT you, personally, believe would be fair to you. Those laws have been put in place for the safety of ALL concerned. True? So, when you tell us that you want to TALK about the issue of homosexuality, we, who are mature in Christ, will point you to what the BIBLE has to say about it. GOD'S WORD HAS THE FINAL SAY ABOUT EVERY.....EVERY....EVERY DEBATE! It does not matter if it is about homosexuality, or how we choose to spend our spare time or money....or even how much food we choose to consume. When something is "out of balance" we seek GOD'S WORD as the ALREADY ESTABLISHED standard. So, you can keep pushing and pulling for people to get into the "boxing ring" with you....you'll get some takers. But, for those of us who have been IN CHRIST and have matured....we know a waste of time when we see it. BUT, having said that just know that those same mature followers of Christ are praying for (or have already prayed) your deliverance whether you BELIEVE you need it or not. Our ONLY enemy is Satan - not those that are ensnared in his deceptions and lies. Prayed for you.

Beautiful wisdom. Amen.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Alex, Have you ever considered the fact that instead of avoiding the issue, most of us have just decided to let the Scriptures that have been shared with you...SPEAK FOR ITSELF. If you are a RESPONSIBLE driver, you obey the traffic laws no matter WHAT you, personally, believe would be fair to you. Those laws have been put in place for the safety of ALL concerned. True? So, when you tell us that you want to TALK about the issue of homosexuality, we, who are mature in Christ, will point you to what the BIBLE has to say about it. GOD'S WORD HAS THE FINAL SAY ABOUT EVERY.....EVERY....EVERY DEBATE! It does not matter if it is about homosexuality, or how we choose to spend our spare time or money....or even how much food we choose to consume. When something is "out of balance" we seek GOD'S WORD as the ALREADY ESTABLISHED standard. So, you can keep pushing and pulling for people to get into the "boxing ring" with you....you'll get some takers. But, for those of us who have been IN CHRIST and have matured....we know a waste of time when we see it. BUT, having said that just know that those same mature followers of Christ are praying for (or have already prayed) your deliverance whether you BELIEVE you need it or not. Our ONLY enemy is Satan - not those that are ensnared in his deceptions and lies. Prayed for you.

I'm going to say more about this.

And I hate to set up divisions as sometimes people see it as being condescending, but that is not what I'm doing. A seed is special, and so is a growing tomato plant, and so is a ripe mature tomato.

With that said, I really like what you said @Whendancer about how mature people in Christ SEEK for the answer in God's WORD, instead of starting with their feelings and desires
and then trying to argue or debate or rewrite the Bible or ignore certain parts.

I think that a line that one can draw in noticing mature and Christians still growing in the earlier stage is that those who are not mature start with self(feelings), while
those who are mature start with God's WORD.

I reckon that some may reply and say that some who don't start with God's WORD and find themselves always there, may not truly be Christians because they are not willing
to die to self and bear their cross.

We must remember, JESUS NEVER PROMISED TWO HEAVENS.
He didn't say we will have Heaven on this earth, enjoying all that feels good, and then go to heaven and have more fun.
He preached the opposite, enduring suffering in this world (trials, tribulations and temptations) and OVERCOMING it, and then we get heaven.
It seems that those who seek Heaven now will find Hell in the next life, and those who go through hell now will find Heaven in the next life.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

My dear @catholina , lets say for a moment that you were told on this forum that the same sex lifestyle
was endorsed by the Bible and you should continue in that life. -- This is what you want to hear, yes?

Now imagine you continue in that path. What in your life would you then be saying NO to as a temptation?
If you don't say NO to this, then what will be your temptation?

This is an honest question requesting a response, because I don't believe one can be a Christian and have no temptations.

So if you say YES to this (same sex attraction so that the good feelings you seek will be met), just curious, then
what will be the areas in your life that you will see as temptations and will say NO to?

Thank you for your time, your reply is appreciated.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

My dear @catholina , lets say for a moment that you were told on this forum that the same sex lifestyle
was endorsed by the Bible and you should continue in that life. -- This is what you want to hear, yes?

Now imagine you continue in that path. What in your life would you then be saying NO to as a temptation?
If you don't say NO to this, then what will be your temptation?

This is an honest question requesting a response, because I don't believe one can be a Christian and have no temptations.

So if you say YES to this (same sex attraction so that the good feelings you seek will be met), just curious, then
what will be the areas in your life that you will see as temptations and will say NO to?

Thank you for your time, your reply is appreciated.

I ask the question because what I often find is that people who start saying yes to their temptations start saying yes
to most if not all of them.

They likely say yes to being drunk (it feels good to them), they say yes to sex outside of marriage (it feels good to them), they
say yes to cheating on their taxes, etc, etc.

And when you ask them what does it mean to you to be a Christian, almost always they will say, Christianity is about love,
we should just love people. And they tell themselves, I'm loving people, so I'm a Christian, and their conscience is appeased
in the moment because they feel that as long as I "love" people, I can also say yes to all my temptations and I'm still a Christian.

Is this you @catholina ? If not, what are those temptations that you are saying no to, but they would feel good
and you want to them (yet you are saying no to them)?

 

[Brother Paul]

I have genuine questions about Christianity and the lgbt community. I would like to discuss this with someone instead of getting the thread shut down. I feel as tho people keep avoiding the question but i think this is something that’s necessary to talk about. My real name is alex and I’m a boy, regardless of the fact I’ve been born in a different body. What’s so wrong with that? Yes I realize God doesn’t make mistakes, but what about people who need glasses? Getting surgery and hormones is like a pair of glasses.
Im genuinely curious on what people have to say and in no way am I trying to cause drama or an argument I just believe this needs to be talked about.

Jesus died for us ALL....regardless of one's propensity and lusts...if that were the case then ALL fornicators (which includes even these small minded so-called Christians) would be condemned. In the Law of the old Mosaic Covenant the "sin" is Sodomy not orientation. In the Tanakh (OT) we see that Sodomites could be Hetero or Homo and there are many Hetero "Christians" who partake though with the opposite gender. Christ gave Himself as the Redeemer for the sins of the World....whosoever may come and receive the remission of sins. Now I do not believe people are born in the wrong body but for whatever reason your orientation God loves you and wants you to take advantage of the Atonement (the covering of His sinless blood) that is IN CHRIST. If you want this then come receive it and as far as those who say all manner of bad things about you, pray for them. If they are thirsty give them a drink...if hungry offer them some food if you can, etc.