Why is this not being taught in Church?

[Samson2020]

What defines your meaning of being born of the spirit? Ability to hear the Holy Ghost? Having done some of the things spoken about the true believer in
Mark 16:17-18? Ability to pray in tongues, or the spirit, however one wants to say that?

 

[Samson2020]

My answer would be all the above.

 

[Sue D.]

Well -- considering that those things spoken of in Mark 16 are not a normal activity for every born-again believer Now -- there is some other explanation.

There Are those who've shared that in That particular time -- demonic activity was very common -- being able to do those things with the snake and not being harmed. It was setting those men aside as special at That time in that place.

Scripture Also warns Everyone to Not mess around with the world of the demonic.

 

[Samson2020]

Well, as I have never bothered much with snakes but have handled poisonous ones with extreme care, we can leave that one off and maybe raising the dead
as I have not heard much about that being done anywhere in the US. All Gods timing, but I must say that the Lord will create opportunities for his newly born
spiritual children to do exactly those things mentioned in Mark. I know because he did it for me. It happens to confirm for you just who you are now. It's normal for most who have not had the experiences to deny that those things are for us today simply because it has not happened to them. So they in essence say what you said but that would be calling Jesus a LIAR. So if they used HIS DEFINITION they would have to exclude themselves from the group.
He will create a casting out of an unclean spirit situation for his children.
He will create a healing situation for his children.
They will have the ability to pray in another language whenever they want, he will see to it for it strengthens the new spirit within the earthen vessel.

The words that you wrote are those of most Church of Christ or Baptist members and simply speaking of them makes most of them nervous because they do not have these experiences and therefore no testimony as to the truth of the scripture.
It is easy to be a religious zealot but impossible to choose ones self for baptism in the Holy Ghost. But there are plenty of preachers that would fit that description too a tee, and make a living out of preaching, but teach basically nothing. They make merchandise of their congregation and it is sad but if one is
predestined to be a pew warmer in a house of ill repute being fed baby food 2-3 times a week. Who am I to tell God he can't do that?

You in general have decent doctrine but on this subject no. Some here are of the mindset that Jesus was his own Father and I read what you write knowing that you know Jesus is and always will be the SON OF GOD. And a GOD himself as of 2,000 years ago.
Not meant as a rebuke but will probably be read that way, but we speak of those thing that we have both seen and done, so to say it doesn't happen this way for me would make me a LIAR too.

 

[Sue D.]

Not taken as a rebuke at all.

 

[spiriteddove05]

What defines your meaning of being born of the spirit? Ability to hear the Holy Ghost? Having done some of the things spoken about the true believer in
Mark 16:17-18? Ability to pray in tongues, or the spirit, however one wants to say that?

are u showing any of those signs? also i'd watch out for people who may well be blaspheming the holy ghost by comparing mark 16:17-18 2 demonic activity!! the bible says these people have never eyes 2 see or ears 2 hear!!

 

[Samson2020]

Read post #44 I answered that with Sue.

And to Sue and SD I would say this one thing. If you have been deceived into believing that you already have something that you can't see, then why would you ask for it? And as the Lord has told us "Ye have not because ye ask not" ASK, ASK, ASK, and ASK again if what you have in your walk doesn't line up with what scripture says a true believer will do. Forget the group activity and consider those things dross as Paul did for a real back and forth relationship requires communication on both parties part, so if you can't HEAR HIM then there is no relationship.

I was in your shoes once myself! I know what I'm speaking about!

 

[Sue D.]

Actually -- I'm Sue D.

You're right -- a person doesn't Ask for any particular spiritual gift -- the Holy Spirit gives them to a person as He sees fit.

A true believer has the Holy Spirit directing them. Our communication is through His Word and our praying / talking to God. And God Does use a variety of circumstances in our lives To lead us. He uses pastor's sermons in God's Word and Sunday School teacher's as they present and have participation in class time.

 

[Samson2020]

The SD was for spirit dove. Didn't catch that.

Wouldn't you rather hear directly from the Holy Ghost? John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not SPEAK of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he SPEAK: and he will show you things to come."
Why would you prefer a Sunday school lesson to the Holy Ghost residing in you 24/7,teaching and guiding and comforting, or a pastors 20-30 min sermon once or twice a week? I've been in both places and the Holy Ghost wins hands down, no comparison. Remember I said communication is both ways, you know God hears you but do you HEAR HIM?
When I said ASK ASK ASK I meant ASK for the HOLY GHOST, not spiritual gifts. And I clarified the comment on whether or not your walk with the Lord lined up with whether or not those things spoken about a true believer, in Mark, are found in your life. If not, start asking to receiive of the Holy Spirit. Once given, your world will be turned upside down, and it will be the best day of your life. A day that you will never forget for the experience is extremely special.

 

[Sue D.]

Regarding the SD -- I was look back in the thread to try finding someone with those initials. Didn't connect SD with spiritdove05

The John passage is referring to the fact that when Jesus Christ ascends back up to heaven that it will be to our / their advantage because Then the Holy Spirit will be able To come and indwell each believer individually.

Because, as I'd just commented -- the Holy Spirit speaks to us through a variety of means.

A person doesn't Need to 'ask' for the Holy Spirit -- He's already 'there'.

The book of Hebrews 10:25 " not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. "

A believer usually Does and Should have Both the Holy Spirit residing in them And be involved in a Sunday School class with a lesson / subject area being discussed. And the church I go to has a very good Bible-teaching pastor who has us in Bible and filling in some blanks while he's teaching from God's Word.

My personal salvation Was a wonderful time in my life. Depending on what a person is saved Out of / From , it Can be more of an experience for some than for others.

 

[Samson2020]

This will be my last comment on the subject. When it's your time it will happen.

1 John 2:26-27 " These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth IN YOU, AND YE NEED NOT THAT A MAN SHOULD TEACH YOU: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as IT HATH TAUGHT YOU, ye shall abide in him."

I must admit that the assembling of yourselves together has been a struggle because there are so few that are like minded, and Paul never says that that should be once a week or once a month or even once a year, though the original group basically lived together for awhile, with the exception of Paul who was in the desert for years learning from the Lord which he states in Acts that no man taught him anything. Giving more credence to 1 John 2:26:27. My opinion is that if we who have the gift of the Holy Ghost listened to him more then we would all be on the same page and there would be no disputing, which makes me wonder who exactly am I disputing with. It isn't the Holy Ghost, I do know that much. Not aimed at you just typing out loud!!!!

 

[rhern53]

This will be my last comment on the subject. When it's your time it will happen.

1 John 2:26-27 " These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth IN YOU, AND YE NEED NOT THAT A MAN SHOULD TEACH YOU: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as IT HATH TAUGHT YOU, ye shall abide in him."

I must admit that the assembling of yourselves together has been a struggle because there are so few that are like minded, and Paul never says that that should be once a week or once a month or even once a year, though the original group basically lived together for awhile, with the exception of Paul who was in the desert for years learning from the Lord which he states in Acts that no man taught him anything. Giving more credence to 1 John 2:26:27. My opinion is that if we who have the gift of the Holy Ghost listened to him more then we would all be on the same page and there would be no disputing, which makes me wonder who exactly am I disputing with. It isn't the Holy Ghost, I do know that much. Not aimed at you just typing out loud!!!!

there are many Gifts from the Father. you have good discernment and the Holy spirit.
we are different you and I but none the less servants to the Lord all in one.
I think of us who are lead by the Holy spirit, all in one diamond with many facets, each one reflecting, shining with the light from God through Jesus our Lord. we, the gifted, are all the individual facets.

 

[Sue D.]

All born-again believers are gifted in some way by the Holy Spirit upon our salvation. -- 1 Corinthians 12, 13, 14.

It is felt that pastors -- upon preaching God's Word from the pulpit --have a special annointing of the Holy Spirit. My late husband certainly felt that way. My sister and brother-in-law were missionaries to Brazil for 40 yrs. They Also felt that way.
The pulpit was 'holy ground' for them.

 

[Bill]

How about the fact that the Ten Commandments have been replaced by Matthew 22:36 - 40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"

Jesus said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind."

vs 39 "And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

vs 40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Jesus never " replaced " the 10 Commandments . But he Summarized the meaning of all the Law given to the Prophets . And he Added these . Love God with all your heart . And Love your nieghbor as yourself . ( all others are inclusive in these two )

The question still remains , if faith alone is like a Gong clanging is the wind ( Paul ) what is missing ? What does it mean to just have faith ?

Let me answer this for you then . Faith leads us to Christ , to Jesus , to the Father . But if we never recieve Jesus , then we have nothing . And what is God . God is Love . Faith without love is nothing more than a gong clanging in the wind . Without Love , without God . We are nothing

 

[Bill]

What defines your meaning of being born of the spirit? Ability to hear the Holy Ghost? Having done some of the things spoken about the true believer in
Mark 16:17-18? Ability to pray in tongues, or the spirit, however one wants to say that?

What defines being born again . If you are in Love with God , the Holy Spirit lives in you . You can not Love God without the Holy Spirit

 

[Sue D.]

@Bill -- being born-again -- the act of the individual person of accepting Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior. In John 3 -- Nicodemus conversation with Jesus. Being born physically 1st and Then being born spiritually.

As in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and Romans 10:9-10

A person Can love --. believe In-- God but not be a son/ daughter Of God // accepting His / God's gift Of salvation is necessary.

Just like non-Christian people Can love one another and get married. But there's an even Greater love with God in the picture.

 

[Bill]

All born-again believers are gifted in some way by the Holy Spirit upon our salvation. -- 1 Corinthians 12, 13, 14.

It is felt that pastors -- upon preaching God's Word from the pulpit --have a special annointing of the Holy Spirit. My late husband certainly felt that way. My sister and brother-in-law were missionaries to Brazil for 40 yrs. They Also felt that way.
The pulpit was 'holy ground' for them.

Not necessarily too . Just because someone preaches doesnt mean they are in the Lord .

The future faslse Prophet wont be . And even during the time of the Apostles there were many false teachers trying to side track the message.

Today . If we believe that thought , then all pasters who preach are gifted in the Lord . Including anti Christian and those like Jehovah Witness , Mormons and so on

 

[Bill]

@Bill -- being born-again -- the act of the individual person of accepting Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior. In John 3 -- Nicodemus conversation with Jesus. Being born physically 1st and Then being born spiritually.

As in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and Romans 10:9-10

A person Can love --. believe In-- God but not be a son/ daughter Of God // accepting His / God's gift Of salvation is necessary.

Just like non-Christian people Can love one another and get married. But there's an even Greater love with God in the picture.

You can not Love God , and not have God within . But there is a difference of knowing who God is and having Him in you.

I tell you Sue , there are many who do not know God , but He lives in them . And many Christians that say God is with them , yet God is not .

Baptism alone , will not save you . And knowledge alone of who Jesus is will not save you . A person can scream to the mountains , " JESUS IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR " but without recieving Jesus in the heart , without Love in the heart . They Have Nothing

 

[PloughBoy]

That is what we call “nominal Christians”

 

[Samson2020]

Bill,

Please re-read post 29 again and see if you find the word LOVE in the post. The answer was there just maybe not drawn out enough to encompass all your thoughts.