Why speak in tongues – if we have AI translators.

[Eddie Deepfield]

What,s the point today? -

After the Holy Spirit descended at Pentecost, the early church ministers began to speak/preach in other nations tongues (Acts 2:4). These tongues were actual spoken existing foreign languages that were supernaturally granted by the Holy Spirit, and this allowed the gospel to transcend language and culture barriers (Acts 2:5 -12).

Imagine hearing the gospel in your language from some one who has never spoken it?

An English Missionary, fresh out of England, speaking fluent Zulu when he couldn't speak a word of Zulu and needed a human translator at his first crusade in the Zulu nation. Very soon the entire Zulu nation would have heard and known about it. Or an American Evangelist just relying on his Holy Ghost gift which enables him to speak fluent Arabic in Yemen.

1. The apostles were able to supernaturally speak these different actual languages.

2. They could preach a message in one language and then preach the same message in an entirely different language!

Which is unbelievable – and to be honest - I have never seen that in any Pentecostal/Charismatic Church.

Ever.

 

[lentz]

What,s the point today? -

After the Holy Spirit descended at Pentecost, the early church ministers began to speak/preach in other nations tongues (Acts 2:4). These tongues were actual spoken existing foreign languages that were supernaturally granted by the Holy Spirit, and this allowed the gospel to transcend language and culture barriers (Acts 2:5 -12).

Imagine hearing the gospel in your language from some one who has never spoken it?

An English Missionary, fresh out of England, speaking fluent Zulu when he couldn't speak a word of Zulu and needed a human translator at his first crusade in the Zulu nation. Very soon the entire Zulu nation would have heard and known about it. Or an American Evangelist just relying on his Holy Ghost gift which enables him to speak fluent Arabic in Yemen.

1. The apostles were able to supernaturally speak these different actual languages.

2. They could preach a message in one language and then preach the same message in an entirely different language!

Which is unbelievable – and to be honest - I have never seen that in any Pentecostal/Charismatic Church.

Ever.

I always wondered why the Pentecost’s claim to have the same gift of tongues the apostles had,but when they,like Jimmy Swaggrt,go to other countries,they have to take along an interpreter.
On the day of Pentecost,everyone heard one man speak in everyone’s language at the same time.
That alone would prove tongues are fake today.

 

[Hekuran]

I always wondered why the Pentecost’s claim to have the same gift of tongues the apostles had,but when they,like Jimmy Swaggrt,go to other countries,they have to take along an interpreter.
On the day of Pentecost,everyone heard one man speak in everyone’s language at the same time.
That alone would prove tongues are fake today.

Maybe if you actually listened to what a Pentecostal believer has to say about the gift of tongues, your wondering would cease.

 

[lentz]

Maybe if you actually listened to what a Pentecostal believer has to say about the gift of tongues, your wondering would cease.

Nah
Won’t waste my time
Wouldn’t change anyone’s mind.
I know the truth,,that’s enough

 

[Bob Carabbio]

What,s the point today? -

After the Holy Spirit descended at Pentecost, the early church ministers began to speak/preach in other nations tongues (Acts 2:4). These tongues were actual spoken existing foreign languages that were supernaturally granted by the Holy Spirit, and this allowed the gospel to transcend language and culture barriers (Acts 2:5 -12).

Imagine hearing the gospel in your language from some one who has never spoken it?

An English Missionary, fresh out of England, speaking fluent Zulu when he couldn't speak a word of Zulu and needed a human translator at his first crusade in the Zulu nation. Very soon the entire Zulu nation would have heard and known about it. Or an American Evangelist just relying on his Holy Ghost gift which enables him to speak fluent Arabic in Yemen.

1. The apostles were able to supernaturally speak these different actual languages.

2. They could preach a message in one language and then preach the same message in an entirely different language!

Which is unbelievable – and to be honest - I have never seen that in any Pentecostal/Charismatic Church.

Ever.

Back in the beginning, Assembly of God missionaries THOUGHT that they'd be able to go to a place where they didn't know the language, and "tongues" would get the job done. Didn't take long to find out that wasn't gonna work, and NOW we have language Schools. At Pentecost, many languages were spoken, but Peter's address was in a common tongue. There ARE cases on record, wherein people HAVE given messages in a language they didn't know, but that's the exception. It could be that God didn't want missionaries to go in as "head hunters", but wanted them to become involved with the people they were ministering to.

The POINT IS, you're speaking words that the Holy Spirit is giving you to speak. same as if you're prophesying, or speaking a word of knowledge, or answering an official, or a judge in your own language (Mark 13:11). Why would that be a BAD THING if God decides to use you in that fashion????

 

[backNforth]

The point of tongues is that it's a language, a communication, that Satan and his boys cannot understand because it's between just you and God. Speaking in tongues, as the Holy Spirit gives utterance, is fairly commonplace for those of us in the deliverance ministry.

 

[Br. Bear]

@Eddie Deepfield

Greetings,

The title to your thread:

Why speak in tongues – if we have AI translators.​

is not reflected in your OP.

Did you miss something out?

Can you please explain?

Jesus Christ is the Lord


Bless you ....><>

 

[Brad Huber]

AI is not to be trusted for anything. It is a tool that is designed by corrupt people to give out skewered answers that may or may not be correct.

 

[backNforth]

AI is not to be trusted for anything. It is a tool that is designed by corrupt people to give out skewered answers that may or may not be correct.

...to say the least!

AI is demonically conceived and empowered. Have a look at this (7 mins.): AI Claims to be Fallen Angel: They Want Your Children

 

[Curtis]

Did you notice it was not just the Apostles that were filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues, it was 120 people altogether?

 

[B-A-C]

Did you notice it was not just the Apostles that were filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues, it was 120 people altogether?

... and the Gentiles.

Acts 10:45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
Acts 10:46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
Acts 10:47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"

... and some people at Ephesus.

Acts 19:2; He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."
Acts 19:3; And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism."
Acts 19:4; Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
Acts 19:5; When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6; And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Acts 19:7; There were in all about twelve men.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

It would appear that being baptized (ie John's baptism) is not the same as being born again (as we read in the Gospel according to John [different John] chapter 3?

Biblical account tells that masses of people were baptized by John. That most likely included most of, if not all, the Apostles and disciples.

*a passing note


Bless you ....><>

 

[Eddie Deepfield]

Maybe if you actually listened to what a Pentecostal believer has to say about the gift of tongues, your wondering would cease.

Pentecostal believers are indoctrinated with their particular denominations take on tongues and its own particular understanding of scripture. Which can be quite confusing as there are over 740 recognized Pentecostal denominations and ten of thousands of Charismatic Churches.

Scripture is clear - tongues were used to convert the unsaved by supernatural means of speaking a foreign language. This was a sign. For unbelievers.

The Gifts of the Holy Spirit as practiced in most Pentecostal and Charismatic circles is problematic. At most they are emotional outbursts of the persons personal devotion and commitment. Which is okay. But to say they are God speaking to people - is not really the case. Is it ? They are not supernatural in any way.
The gifts are as follows:

• The Gift of Wisdom
• The Gift of Knowledge
• The Gift of Faith
• The Gift of Healing
• The Gift of Miracles
• The Gift of Prophecy
• The Gift of Discerning Spirits
• The Gift of Tongues

Please let me know where these have been in operation with independent verification. Nope? I thought so. I live in Africa. And no Pentecostal preacher has been able to convert the masses.

Of course except for the prosperity/health/wealth/faith gospel which has a great following in a poor land. As one would expect.

 

[Eddie Deepfield]

Why would that be a BAD THING if God decides to use you in that fashion????

A devout, innocent and committed enthusiastic and emotional believer is not doing anything bad. Only when they start giving personal prophecy - can it get a bit problematic - to say the least.

No one can speak for God

As any pure message would necessary become contaminated by its human channel. As they say - Lost in translation.

 

[Eddie Deepfield]

@Eddie Deepfield

Greetings,

The title to your thread:

Why speak in tongues – if we have AI translators.​

is not reflected in your OP.

Did you miss something out?

Can you please explain?

Jesus Christ is the Lord


Bless you ....><>

i thought it was obvious. If tongues is a gift to speak other languages why use it now when we don't need it anymore as we have AI interpreters and translators.

 

[Eddie Deepfield]

The point of tongues is that it's a language, a communication, that Satan and his boys cannot understand because it's between just you and God. Speaking in tongues, as the Holy Spirit gives utterance, is fairly commonplace for those of us in the deliverance ministry.

Its not considered a language by any metric. Nobody speaks to another in tongues, that is not their language. How can they understand it? Without an interpretation.
So yep - you speak to God?

Why?

What,s wrong with English? Satan is not everywhere at the same time as God - so he won,t hear billions of prayers in English - now will he? And if he relies on demons - they wont give him the true details either - will they?

 

[lentz]

Did you notice it was not just the Apostles that were filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues, it was 120 people altogether?

Where does it say there were 120? I don’t remember a number given. Just disciples

 

[lentz]

Its not considered a language by any metric. Nobody speaks to another in tongues, that is not their language. How can they understand it? Without an interpretation.
So yep - you speak to God?

Why?

What,s wrong with English? Satan is not everywhere at the same time as God - so he won,t hear billions of prayers in English - now will he? And if he relies on demons - they wont give him the true details either - will they?

They have to feel they have done something to make them worthy. Christ’s finished work wasn’t enough for them

 

[B-A-C]

Where does it say there were 120? I don’t remember a number given. Just disciples

Acts 1:14; These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.
Acts 1:15; At this time Peter stood up in the midst of the brethren, a gathering of about one hundred and twenty persons was there together, and said,

Acts 6:8; And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.

Stephen is never called an Apostle in the Bible.

 

[B-A-C]

It would appear that being baptized (ie John's baptism) is not the same as being born again (as we read in the Gospel according to John [different John] chapter 3?

Biblical account tells that masses of people were baptized by John. That most likely included most of, if not all, the Apostles and disciples.

Matt 28:19; "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

Acts 8:14; Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John,
Acts 8:15; who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16; For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 8:17; Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:18; Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money,

Mark 1:8; "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." ( John the Baptist is speaking here )

Acts 9:17; So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
Acts 9:18; And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized;

In the passage about Paul, it doesn't specifically mention tongues. But we know he did speak in tongues from other scriptures.

1Cor 14:18; I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;

I couldn't find any scripture that says the disciples were baptized. But I did find two that says they baptized other people.
Of course Jesus Himself was baptized by John the Baptist.

John 3:22; After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing.
John 3:23; John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there; and people were coming and were being baptized—

John 4:1; Therefore when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John
John 4:2; although Jesus Himself was not baptizing, but His disciples were,