Why speak in tongues – if we have AI translators.

[lentz]

Acts 2:6; And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language.
Acts 2:7; They were amazed and astonished, saying, "Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
Acts 2:8; "And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born?
Acts 2:9; "Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
Acts 2:10; Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
Acts 2:11; Cretans and Arabs—we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God."

But Acts 2 may not be a good example, it's the only place where specific languages are mentioned, and it's also the only place here the tongues of fire above people's heads, and the mighty rushing wind are mentioned also.

Acts 2:2; And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3; And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them.
Acts 2:4; And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.

No wind, or tongues of fire, or specific languages mentioned here...

Acts 10:46; For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,

... or here.

Acts 19:6; And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.

You love twisting scripture.

“Actually, he wasn't.“

Sure he was!!!

 

[Curtis]

1Co 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

1Co 14:13 Therefore, the person who speaks in an [unknown] tongue should pray [for the power] to interpret and explain what he says.

 

[Curtis]

Exactly - he hears in any human language - so why speak in tongues?

Ever heard the term, "loose lips sink ships"?

Why telegraph to the principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, and all spiritual wickedness in high places what God has planned?

Tongues are speaking to God and revealing spiritual mysteries in the spirit.

1Co 2:6 Yet when I am among mature believers, I do speak with words of wisdom, but not the kind of wisdom that belongs to this world or to the rulers of this world, who are soon forgotten.
1Co 2:7 No, the wisdom we speak of is the mystery of God—his plan that was previously hidden, even though he made it for our ultimate glory before the world began.
1Co 2:8 But the rulers of this world have not understood it; if they had, they would not have crucified our glorious Lord. (NLT)

 

[lentz]

Ever heard the term, "loose lips sink ships"?

Why telegraph to the principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, and all spiritual wickedness in high places what God has planned?

Tongues are speaking to God and revealing spiritual mysteries in the spirit.

1Co 2:6 Yet when I am among mature believers, I do speak with words of wisdom, but not the kind of wisdom that belongs to this world or to the rulers of this world, who are soon forgotten.
1Co 2:7 No, the wisdom we speak of is the mystery of God—his plan that was previously hidden, even though he made it for our ultimate glory before the world began.
1Co 2:8 But the rulers of this world have not understood it; if they had, they would not have crucified our glorious Lord.

Those mysteries you quote from Corinthians has nothing to do with tongues,but rather, the mystery of the gospel

 

[lentz]

1Co 14:13 Therefore, the person who speaks in an [unknown] tongue should pray [for the power] to interpret and explain what he says.

True, if I pray to speak in German,I should also know what I am saying

 

[Curtis]

Those mysteries you quote from Corinthians has nothing to do with tongues,but rather, the mystery of the gospel

1Co 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

 

[lentz]

1Co 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

I believe that means silent prayer .

 

[B-A-C]

Why are spiritual gifts given?

1Cor 12:7; But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
1Cor 14:3; But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.
1Cor 14:5; Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.
1Cor 14:31; For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted;
1Cor 14:12; So also you, since you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church.
1Cor 14:26; What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

 

[Curtis]

I believe that means silent prayer .

Is speaking silent?

 

[lentz]

Is speaking silent?

When speaking silently to God,certainly!
And you can make silent melody in your heart

 

[KingJ]

You know what ?
That part in revelation about adding to and subtracting from,only pertains to the book of revelation.
But like all scripture,people twist and mold it into something it’s never meant to be.

Lentz, sometimes discussion with you can be painful. I find myself typing things I usually type on an atheist forum to trolls.

No, Lentz, incorrect. There is a titbit of truth to your statement but it should be painfully obvious that the principle apply to all. All scripture is God breathed 2 Tim 3:16-17.

I propose you do a study on false teaching too.

 

[KingJ]

You ducked my question.

Why use an unknown tongue, which sounds like gibberish*, to speak to God?

When he can understand any human language and in fact knows what we are about to say before we even do?

* ( gibberish - unintelligible or meaningless language)

A more personal experience I guess and perhaps a more comprehensive vocabulary.

God does what pleases Him and it pleases Him to give us a new tongue. The fact is, scripture says its a new tongue. Why it is not English is a non issue.

Now, are you going to deal with the scripture given to you or are you just here to type your unscriptural opinions on a topic like @lentz?

 

[lentz]

When speaking silently to God,certainly!
And you can make silent melody in your heart

Lentz, sometimes discussion with you can be painful. I find myself typing things I usually type on an atheist forum to trolls.

No, Lentz, incorrect. There is a titbit of truth to your statement but it should be painfully obvious that the principle apply to all. All scripture is God breathed 2 Tim 3:16-17.

I propose you do a study on false teaching too.

Tidbit?
It’s totally true.
The verse states if anyone adds to or takes from,the curses will be added to him,and/or his name be taken from the book of life.
Book=revelation,not Books =the entire bible.
Lol,and I cause YOU pain?

 

[lentz]

For you who believe in the doctrine of tongues.
You say it is real because it is mentioned in the Bible,so you make a doctrine out of it.
Would you handle a fat Cotton Mouth in church on a Sunday morning ?
It’s in the Bible. It’s been made a doctrine.

 

[Eddie Deepfield]

Tongues are speaking to God and revealing spiritual mysteries in the spirit.

Now, are you going to deal with the scripture given to you or are you just here to type your unscriptural opinions on a topic like @lentz?

Yep - If it is not experienced today - it means it has ceased to be. Acts miracles and experiences and spiritual gifts are no more.

They are not found today. They have ceased to be.

"Cessationism - is a doctrine that spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, prophecy, and healing ceased with the Apostolic Age."

 

[KingJ]

"Cessationism - is a doctrine that spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, prophecy, and healing ceased with the Apostolic Age."

Yes and it is a false doctrine. Scripture and I can personally testify to miracles in my life. As to speaking in a new tongue. All you have is your opinion and others like you who invented a false doctrine.

The difference between you and I is that scripture does not support your view. I asked you if were you going to deal with all the scriptures given to you. I guess your answer is, no?

 

[Curtis]

Yep - If it is not experienced today - it means it has ceased to be. Acts miracles and experiences and spiritual gifts are no more.

They are not found today. They have ceased to be.

"Cessationism - is a doctrine that spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, prophecy, and healing ceased with the Apostolic Age."

All of these things have only ceased where there is no faith.

Mat 13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

 

[B-A-C]

You say it is real because it is mentioned in the Bible,so you make a doctrine out of it.

Tongues - the Spiritual gift sense is mentioned over 25 times in the Bible. Several passages in Acts, almost 2 whole chapters in 1st Corinthians, and Jesus mentions it in Mark 16:17;

It's a lot safer to build a doctrine on something with so many verses to support it, than say a "pre-trib" rapture which has no verses to support it, and yet millions of people believe that.

Mar_16:17 "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;
Act_2:3 And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them.
Act_2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.
Act_2:11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God."
Act_10:46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
Act_19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
1Co_12:10 and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues.
1Co_12:28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.
1Co_12:30 All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?
1Co_13:1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
1Co_13:8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.
1Co_14:5 Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.
1Co_14:6 But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching?
1Co_14:18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;
1Co_14:21 In the Law it is written, "BY MEN OF STRANGE TONGUES AND BY THE LIPS OF STRANGERS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE, AND EVEN SO THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME," says the Lord.
1Co_14:22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.
1Co_14:23 Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?
1Co_14:39 Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues.
1Co_14:2; For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
1Co_14:4; One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church.
1Co_14:9; So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.
1Co_14:13; Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret.
1Co_14:14; For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
1Co_14:19; however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.
1Co_14:26; What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
1Co_14:27; If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret;

 

[Eddie Deepfield]

Yes and it is a false doctrine. Scripture and I can personally testify to miracles in my life. As to speaking in a new tongue. All you have is your opinion and others like you who invented a false doctrine.

The difference between you and I is that scripture does not support your view. I asked you if were you going to deal with all the scriptures given to you. I guess your answer is, no?

The doctrine arose in Protestant theology in response to claims of Roman Catholic miracles.

Most Mainline Protestant denominations DO NOT accept continuation of Apostolic gifts and miracles. They regard it as heresy. Probably because they have never experienced it.

The scriptures you have given have ceased. Can you see that? We are not in the Apostolic Age.

Mark 16: 17,18 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

Who does that today?

No one - picks up a snake at Church - they call the snake catcher.
No one - suffering from schizophrenia or epilipsy, go to get it cast out as if it was a demon and not a brain issue - they go to a Neuro Surgeon.
No one - goes to the Church to be healed before going to the Doctor.
No one - goes to Church for wisdom before going to university.
No one - can perform miracles today. I have never seen one. A miracle is by definition super natural (beyond the laws of nature).
No one - sits at home waiting for a raven to feed them - they go find a job. They put their CV out. And they get a job.
No one - gets instruction from Church for practical tasks etc they skill up.
No one - drives a car without a seat belt and expects God to save them when the seat belt can do the same job.
No one - once in the grave, is raised from the dead.
No one - who loses an arm or a leg, has a new one, grown back by a miracle - nope they get a prosthetic leg or arm by a Specialist

Lets get real..

Most of what you see in Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches that people think are Gifts of the Spirit in operation - are over enthusiastic emotional hype bordering on the foolish and ridiculous. People speak of going to heaven. Some of going to hell and coming back. Some of being healed, some see angels, some see Lord Jesus like Apostle Paul did etc.

When the feel good dopamine kicks in - it gives you a high. People remember the hits and forget the misses.

 

[Eddie Deepfield]

All of these things have only ceased where there is no faith.

Mat 13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

Doesn't make any sense. We have salvation faith which is given to us to believe in the Salvation plan - but we now do not have enough faith.

Whereas the greatest faith to have is to believe IN Jesus.

Eph 2:8,9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."