Will I go to hell

[vhusley]

For in the day that I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to them or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. (Jeremiah 7:22 NRSV)

Rhema

Respectfully, this verse absolutely does not mean that, at the time Jeremiah spoke these words, Israel was freed from the Covenant and not expected to offer up burnt offerings. This passage must be taken in the full context of what God was saying to His disobedient children at the time.

 

[vhusley]

Believing God is the work of the Holy Spirit the salvation of ones new born again soul ..Filled from the first moment.

The idea I made a sound it it helps to strengthen a person so they do not sin is s simply an oral tradition of men as a sign against them (1 Corinthians 14:21-22) They do do not believe sola scriptura, all things written in the Bible without any oral traditions of men added .

The tradition of making senseless sounds falling backward slain in the spirit in the end of the matter does despite to the grace of God. . Especially traditions that mock the tongue of God . God's understanding as prophecy .

1 Peter 1: 8-10 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

No sign was given (having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, Jesus did not give words without meaning.

If they did not not receive the Holy Spirt when they first believed then their faith was in vain .Belief generated by the Holy Spirit once saved forever .No weekly fill ups needed. Those disciples (John's) were baptized into the baptisms of John ceremonial as shadow of the eternal unseen true . Its what they were discussing in chapter 6 of John why was Jesus from the tribe of Judah welcoming those who had a desire to be part of a ceremony that again as "shadow (no substance) of that parable pointed to the unseen power of faith after the new order of priests men and woman from all the nations of the world at Pentecost according to the promise of Joel ..

Acts 2:15-17King James Version For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
.the old testament kingdom of priest the the new after Joesl in respect to Jesus from the tribe of Judah

Tongues is the prophecy of God spoken in all tongues as languages of all nations of the world .

Looking at the foundation as the law along with the prophecy or testimony of Joel . it would be hard to imagine how making senseless baby noises without understanding profits in reducing ones desire to sin .

The sign. . . Believing's receiving the end of our new born again faith the salvation of ones soul again from the beginning.

Spiritual gifts not seen yes .Gift that make Jesus into a circus seal no way, not today..

I would suggest you study the power of faith (the unseen) and How he works it in us. .Jesus sys its an evil generation (non converted mankind) that does seek after signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after .not coming to the end of their new faith the salvation of ones new born again soul especially in this generation of wondering

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

He did not say make a senseless noise and fall backward slain in the Spirit .

Sigh.
“But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” -1 Corinthians 14:38

 

[Shaolin]

For in the day that I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to them or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. (Jeremiah 7:22 NRSV)

Rhema

This is what happens when we allow our biases to overrule the facts of Scripture...

Exodus 29:38-46
38 "Now this is what you shall offer on the altar: two lambs a year old day by day regularly.
39 One lamb you shall offer in the morning, and the other lamb you shall offer at twilight.
40 And with the first lamb a tenth measure of fine flour mingled with a fourth of a hin of beaten oil, and a fourth of a hin of wine for a drink offering.
41 The other lamb you shall offer at twilight, and shall offer with it a grain offering and its drink offering, as in the morning, for a pleasing aroma, a food offering to the LORD.
42 It shall be a regular burnt offering throughout your generations at the entrance of the tent of meeting before the LORD, where I will meet with you, to speak to you there.
43 There I will meet with the people of Israel, and it shall be sanctified by my glory.
44 I will consecrate the tent of meeting and the altar. Aaron also and his sons I will consecrate to serve me as priests.
45 I will dwell among the people of Israel and will be their God.
46 And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, who brought them out of the land of Egypt that I might dwell among them. I am the LORD their God.

Exodus 30:26-28
26 With it you shall anoint the tent of meeting and the ark of the testimony,
27 and the table and all its utensils, and the lampstand and its utensils, and the altar of incense,
28 and the altar of burnt offering with all its utensils and the basin and its stand.

Exodus 31:6-9
6 And behold, I have appointed with him Oholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan. And I have given to all able men ability, that they may make all that I have commanded you:
7 the tent of meeting, and the ark of the testimony, and the mercy seat that is on it, and all the furnishings of the tent,
8 the table and its utensils, and the pure lampstand with all its utensils, and the altar of incense,
9 and the altar of burnt offering with all its utensils, and the basin and its stand,

Exodus 40:6-8
6 You shall set the altar of burnt offering before the door of the tabernacle of the tent of meeting,
7 and place the basin between the tent of meeting and the altar, and put water in it.
8 And you shall set up the court all around, and hang up the screen for the gate of the court.

Leviticus 4:22-26
22 "When a leader sins, doing unintentionally any one of all the things that by the commandments of the LORD his God ought not to be done, and realizes his guilt,
23 or the sin which he has committed is made known to him, he shall bring as his offering a goat, a male without blemish,
24 and shall lay his hand on the head of the goat and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the LORD; it is a sin offering.
25 Then the priest shall take some of the blood of the sin offering with his finger and put it on the horns of the altar of burnt offering and pour out the rest of its blood at the base of the altar of burnt offering.
26 And all its fat he shall burn on the altar, like the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings. So the priest shall make atonement for him for his sin, and he shall be forgiven.

There are over 100 such passages addressing the burnt offering, as well as the continual burnt offerings upon "the altar of burnt offerings" throughout Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy...I could go on, but this will suffice. When you read Jeremiah 7:22 in light of 127 other passages that mention or directly address burnt offerings, you need to read that one text IN CONTEXT of what God is saying in Jeremiah chapter 7. He is NOT saying that He never commanded the Israelites to make burnt offerings (which is clear - UNLESS you are saying the first five books of the Bible are fabricated), He is addressing their sins in light of them coming into the temple and offering their sin offerings, which is also made clear here...

Jeremiah 7:8-10
8 "Behold, you trust in deceptive words to no avail.
9 Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, make offerings to Baal, and go after other gods that you have not known,
10 and then come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, 'We are delivered!'--only to go on doing all these abominations?

This is exactly what people under the influence of calvinism do today (as well as others who deceive themselves) under the false teachings of grace...but that's another topic.

Blessings.

 

[Shaolin]

Respectfully, this verse absolutely does not mean that, at the time Jeremiah spoke these words, Israel was freed from the Covenant and not expected to offer up burnt offerings. This passage must be taken in the full context of what God was saying to His disobedient children at the time.

With respect, at no time after the Old Covenant was made, was Israel ever "freed" from it. Exactly where do you get that idea?

 

[Shaolin]

Sigh.
“But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” -1 Corinthians 14:38

Cough...

 

[Garee]

Sigh.
“But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” -1 Corinthians 14:38

So then end of story, you did it you rebuked me that proves you are correct in your assumption?


I would suggest inform me . How does making noises without meaning reduce the desire to not sin against God or splashing water on ones flesh that evaporates ?

Did you even look to the foundation of the teaching of tongues as a law not subject to change??

 

[Rhema]

Respectfully, this verse absolutely does not mean that,

Respectfully, that verse means exactly what it says. But I hadn't addressed my post to you precisely because I know that you're unable to receive it.

You may think you're ready for deep truth, but ... (perhaps I shouldn't impute)

Are you read for deep truth?

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

This is what happens when we allow our biases to overrule the facts of Scripture...

How can you say, “We are wise, and the law (scripture) of the Lord is with us,” when, in fact, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?​

(Jeremiah 8:8 NRSV)​

Is the above not a fact?

C'mon Dave, wake up !!

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

I would suggest inform me .

Garee... how many people have tried? Dozens. All have failed.
I have read, I have watched (on many forums).
In truth, I would encourage you to develop skills of critical thinking.

Rhema

 

[Garee]

Garee... how many people have tried? Dozens. All have failed.
I have read, I have watched (on many forums).
In truth, I would encourage you to develop skills of critical thinking.

Rhema

Thanks for the reply .

I am not sure what you mean by many tried ?

Skills of critical thinking as in rightly dividing the word of God ?

I don't think I am ignorant of what he teaches.

 

[vhusley]

Respectfully, that verse means exactly what it says. But I hadn't addressed my post to you precisely because I know that you're unable to receive it.

You may think you're ready for deep truth, but ... (perhaps I shouldn't impute)

Are you read for deep truth?

Rhema

If your “deep truth” involves mishandling scripture as you did the verse from Jeremiah above, then no; thank you, but I’m not ready for your “deep truth.” ‍
But thanks for the offer.

 

[vhusley]

With respect, at no time after the Old Covenant was made, was Israel ever "freed" from it. Exactly where do you get that idea?

Yes, that’s exactly what I was trying to say. If you go back and read what I posted, I clearly said this verse DOES NOT mean that. Perhaps my commas were put in the wrong place. Sorry.

Also, at the point at which @Rhema posted it in the thread, and based on the post he/she was responding to… he/she seemed to be implying that God was telling Israel that He hadn’t spoken to them about burnt offerings and blood sacrifices AT ALL when they came out of Egypt. Perhaps I misunderstood the intent behind @Rhema posting that verse from Jeremiah. He/she seems to be implying that God somehow no longer required burnt offerings at the time Jeremiah spoke this prophesy. If I misinterpreted the intent of his/her post, forgive me.

 

[Shaolin]

How can you say, “We are wise, and the law (scripture) of the Lord is with us,” when, in fact, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?​

(Jeremiah 8:8 NRSV)​

Is the above not a fact?

C'mon Dave, wake up !!

Rhema

So...you are saying that every verse in the first five books of the Bible that clearly state that God commanded and implemented burnt offerings, is a lie by scribes? Plus, you have done it again...taking this verse out of its context to apply it to the verses that I gave you earlier. In context, God is addressing Israel and what the scribes were doing at THAT time in their history; God is NOT saying that the whole Bible (or just those verses that contradict your take on one) have been corrupted by scribes.

Plus, over the last 100 years through Biblical archeology, we have found hundreds of thousands of copies (full and partial) of the Bible, and from those numerous copies we have a very reliable Bible today (as far as the main-stays...we both know that sometimes the translations have been butchered, but that by modern translators, not ancient copies).

Blessings!

 

[Shaolin]

Yes, that’s exactly what I was trying to say. If you go back and read what I posted, I clearly said this verse DOES NOT mean that. Perhaps my commas were put in the wrong place. Sorry.

Also, at the point at which @Rhema posted it in the thread, and based on the post he/she was responding to… he/she seemed to be implying that God was telling Israel that He hadn’t spoken to them about burnt offerings and blood sacrifices AT ALL when they came out of Egypt. Perhaps I misunderstood the intent behind @Rhema posting that verse from Jeremiah. He/she seems to be implying that God somehow no longer required burnt offerings at the time Jeremiah spoke this prophesy. If I misinterpreted the intent of his/her post, forgive me.

OK...yeah, I misunderstood what you were saying!

Blessings!