Writing New Scripts About Women

[Brad Huber]

I never said all urges or desires are sinful. I have a very strong desire to know God and love God more and more each day the same way HE knows and loves me. I have a very strong desire that my life and all that I do in my life is pleasing to God. I have a very strong desire to be in God's will in both thought and in deed. None of my foregoing very strong desires are sinful. Lust, which is a very strong sexual desire, iis sinful if it is directed at or toward someone other than one's spouse.

For you to suggest that I said all strong desires are sinful is simply intellectually dishonest.

In the future, please don't accuse me of something I did not do. Thank you.

And yet, you thought nothing of accusing me of being wrong in that "some" sexual desire is God given and okay. You were adamant in it, and I was not intellectually dishonest, pls dont accuse me either.... or you can accept that sometimes your accusations are wrong, and be humble enough to accept it.

 

[JerryfromMass]

And yet, you thought nothing of accusing me of being wrong in that "some" sexual desire is God given and okay. You were adamant in it, and I was not intellectually dishonest, pls dont accuse me either.... or you can accept that sometimes your accusations are wrong, and be humble enough to accept it.

I never accused you of what your claiming. Again, be honest. I always held that lust (strong sexual desire) is sin when directed at someone other than ones spouse. God gave man free will to sin, which includes lust.

Why did Jesus use the word lust? Because when lust is directed at someone other than one's spouse it is sin.

What did Jesus mean by lust? Strong sexual desire toward someone other than one's spouse.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brothers,
Let's calm down.....don't let our passions get the better of us!

@JerryfromMass I do believe in your post #7 the opening sentence was meant to be a question (y/n)? Following with the implication that if lust was not the case, then there must be something else that has us desirous of woman.
@Brad Huber - your post #8 directed to Brother JFM I do believe was misplaced. He in his post which was directed to Brother GregoryP was not implying that God had created "lust" in man, but was asking of an alternative to it in man.

What follows which I believe is from a clear misunderstanding is something that is seen all to often here on TJ between brethren. Instead of a thoughtful discussion, the passions arise and words follow that should not be said. All, from an initial misunderstanding. Normally, following it up with a question/inquiry, and not an accusatory one, that doesn't help in getting a response that would clarify the issue. If not for this of course, the other person might also be able to temper their own passions, and not feeling "put upon" for being misunderstood, respond in a way that would uplift/instruct!

What helps is always remembering who we are in Christ, and that there is "flesh" that we ourselves and all others must contend with. The victory in Christ has been won, but the battles continue. Let's pray that we are able to minimize the passions that arise in our dealings with each other, and not let them get the best of something that "we all", "we all" must deal with, if not now, from time to time in different venues in the life we lead in Christ Jesus.

Passion, which when translated to lust has always been dangerous and manifests itself when left uncontrolled. This is recognized by many that even Self-flagellation is used in attempt to control them! This simple devotional, or maybe not so simple considering some of the threads that have been created here lately (some closed/some still open). In these ever darkening days, I believe it is as Scripture has said reflective of the ever darkening days we live in and should cause us to wrap ourselves even more closely in prayer and the Word of God. So, that it leaves no room for the Adversary to pit us against each other as if each other were the enemy and not him and the uncontrolled passions we have in our own lives that if unchecked can be destructive leading to even more sinful behavior as they did in the life of David.

Sign of the times in which we live: "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe to [those who are] wise in their own eyes, And prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:20-21

You both my brothers have a sincere desire (positive) to know the Word of God, and to share what the Spirit moves upon you to share for the Glory of God, in helping others to comprehend that which is not able to those who do not know our Lord & Savior Jesus. Let us not help the enemy in his attempt in burying us who are in Christ (each other). He has enough attendants to help with that task!
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@PloughBoy - we are all valuable in eyes of God my brother, and so the precious Blood of the Lamb would not have been shed to even save one odorous free will soul like ours, if we would just remember "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28 So, that what befalls one us, will affect us all. Let us uplift each other to the Glory of God, for we should be precious one to another! Love you brother!
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With the Love of Christ Jesus
YBIC
Nick
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All brethren reading this devotional: I was giving this a little thought and believe that it might be instructive/helpful to move/copy this thread and place it in the Men's Forum, that if any so choose that the subject can continue to be fleshed out for a greater understanding, and hopefully a benefit to any who may come across it in the future. Of course I'll delete all the responses in the thread that is located in the Devotional Forum and allow for a redirect for all interested.

Thoughts on copying the thread and moving it, before the discussion continues???

Moderator
Nick
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[JerryfromMass]

Dear Brothers,
Let's calm down.....don't let our passions get the better of us!

@JerryfromMass I do believe in your post #7 the opening sentence was meant to be a question (y/n)? Following with the implication that if lust was not the case, then there must be something else that has us desirous of woman.
@Brad Huber - your post #8 directed to Brother JFM I do believe was misplaced. He in his post which was directed to Brother GregoryP was not implying that God had created "lust" in man, but was asking of an alternative to it in man.

What follows which I believe is from a clear misunderstanding is something that is seen all to often here on TJ between brethren. Instead of a thoughtful discussion, the passions arise and words follow that should not be said. All, from an initial misunderstanding. Normally, following it up with a question/inquiry, and not an accusatory one, that doesn't help in getting a response that would clarify the issue. If not for this of course, the other person might also be able to temper their own passions, and not feeling "put upon" for being misunderstood, respond in a way that would uplift/instruct!

What helps is always remembering who we are in Christ, and that there is "flesh" that we ourselves and all others must contend with. The victory in Christ has been won, but the battles continue. Let's pray that we are able to minimize the passions that arise in our dealings with each other, and not let them get the best of something that "we all", "we all" must deal with, if not now, from time to time in different venues in the life we lead in Christ Jesus.

Passion, which when translated to lust has always been dangerous and manifests itself when left uncontrolled. This is recognized by many that even Self-flagellation is used in attempt to control them! This simple devotional, or maybe not so simple considering some of the threads that have been created here lately (some closed/some still open). In these ever darkening days, I believe it is as Scripture has said reflective of the ever darkening days we live in and should cause us to wrap ourselves even more closely in prayer and the Word of God. So, that it leaves no room for the Adversary to pit us against each other as if each other were the enemy and not him and the uncontrolled passions we have in our own lives that if unchecked can be destructive leading to even more sinful behavior as they did in the life of David.

Sign of the times in which we live: "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe to [those who are] wise in their own eyes, And prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:20-21

You both my brothers have a sincere desire (positive) to know the Word of God, and to share what the Spirit moves upon you to share for the Glory of God, in helping others to comprehend that which is not able to those who do not know our Lord & Savior Jesus. Let us not help the enemy in his attempt in burying us who are in Christ (each other). He has enough attendants to help with that task!
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@PloughBoy - we are all valuable in eyes of God my brother, and so the precious Blood of the Lamb would not have been shed to even save one odorous free will soul like ours, if we would just remember "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28 So, that what befalls one us, will affect us all. Let us uplift each other to the Glory of God, for we should be precious one to another! Love you brother!
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With the Love of Christ Jesus
YBIC
Nick
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<><

All brethren reading this devotional: I was giving this a little thought and believe that it might be instructive/helpful to move/copy this thread and place it in the Men's Forum, that if any so choose that the subject can continue to be fleshed out for a greater understanding, and hopefully a benefit to any who may come across it in the future. Of course I'll delete all the responses in the thread that is located in the Devotional Forum and allow for a redirect for all interested.

Thoughts on copying the thread and moving it, before the discussion continues???

Moderator
Nick
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Thank you brother, and to all of God's children: God's blessings to all of my brothers and sisters on this glorious spring day. Still a bit on the cool side in Massachusetts, but the birds are nesting and feeding and the flowers and hostas are steadily growing. Rebirth on the earth from the earth as God has willed. With all love and fellowship to all.

All blessings, honor, praise, and power to our Heavenly Father, Savior and Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

 

[Brad Huber]

Sorry if I offended anyone. I shall try to explain....

God "created" (and He created all things good) the desire we have for a mate. I assume you cant see this desire as lust? Its why I called it desire. There are many desires that are Godly, for instance the desire to know God more, the desire to please God, the desire for a mate. These are all examples of good desires. Now the desire for a mate goes deeper than being in one moment not interested in women, and then deciding I want a child, so I guess I will find some female vessel and hope I am excited enough perform the action that might lead to a child. Their is desire without lust to begin with, and then most commonly some lust (but not always) to get the mind prepared, for if the mind is not prepared, the body will not be able to consumate the marriage. And yet, the marriage bed is not defiled, despite a little bit of lust in preparing the mind to prepare the body. Again, we are talking marriage. Not talking about sexual desire outside of marriage and not thinking about someone else other than our wives. And more than a little bit of lust to prepare ourselves can result in a bad experience instead of the blessing it was meant to be. But without at least a little lust for our wives, we would not be able to consumate the marriage. So my point is that some desire (which is in my mind a little like lust) "is" godly for it is the way God made us, to find women attractive enough to get excited about them.

Any objections to this?

 

[Brad Huber]

Christiandom has always seemed to me overly focused on the evils of sex, making observant practitioners afraid that 'anything' lustful or desirous is evil and from our base nature which is to be abhored. As if the only purpose of sex is pro creation. It is either the primary reason or co-primary reason. The way the joining of men and women happen (emotionally and spiritually) while involved in the sexual act also promotes greater oneness in the couple which is a type of the oneness and joy we all will have with the Lord as we Grow in our faith and likeness of the Lord. So this is another major reason for the intimacy God set us up for. Its not evil, its not to be abhored and looked down upon as weakness. One only need read the song of solomon which is inspired by God to see the truth of this. The first few times I read it, I was embarrased to continue, as it "promoted" sensuality, and christiandom always looked down on it. I dont know if you men take the time to tell your boys at least, the beauty and purpose of the sexual act. and how it can easily be corrupted in how we come to it. But that it IS beautiful and one of the greatest earthly, yet Godly joys, if done in the marriage bed.

I didnt even kiss any female, other than my mother, grandmother and great grandmother until I was 25. I had met this wonderful christian lady who seemed very kind, very spiritual, very much into the bible and living the life, Christ wanted us to. We were interested in each other to begin with, but we both were afraid of any desire that might come along, we were practically robotic when around each other to avoid the mind wondering. Our relationship just didnt go anywhere. We were both so conditioned against letting our feelings control us, that we couldnt attain any non sexual intimacy which killed our ability draw any closer to each other. It obviously didnt work out.

So.... desire for a female must have some sense of intimacy for the closeness to ever reach the point of wanting marriage. This desire, prior to marriage but with both interested in a christian partner, must happen or we will fall into the trap of the shakers (you can google them). They were very spiritual but even in marriage failed to have many children, for they wanted to always feel closer to the Lord and put off the intimacy in each other.

Parting words.... sexuality is not evil, it was God granted to give us pleasure and to make children who will "build the souls of the next generation". Please be careful how you portray it to other believers.