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You are Just Pointing out ONE Transnational Corporation. What about all the other Transnational Corporations. You are buying food clothing electricity gas fuel etc etc.
Psychotropic drugs = Pharmakeia = Sorcery?
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You are Just Pointing out ONE Transnational Corporation. What about all the other Transnational Corporations. You are buying food clothing electricity gas fuel etc etc.
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The transnational drug corporations are a particularly nasty bunch. The mind control brought about by drug use is particularly invasive. These men will not repent of their sorceries, by which all nations were deceived - even in the midst of the tribulation. WHen drugs are willfully, voluntarily taken, Satan gains the legal permission he requires to set up powerful strongholds. It is the worst kind of contractual relationship.
Conversely, if you want the privilege of obtaining gasoline for your vehicle, then you will pay whatever the price/tax is at the pump. If you do not want that benefit, then you do not have to pay that price. The body of Christ is not made up of thieves - we pay for what we use. The difference here is that paying for gasoline is not contractual, whereas voluntarily granting the enemy access to your mind is another animal.
Conversely, if you want the privilege of obtaining gasoline for your vehicle, then you will pay whatever the price/tax is at the pump. If you do not want that benefit, then you do not have to pay that price. The body of Christ is not made up of thieves - we pay for what we use. The difference here is that paying for gasoline is not contractual, whereas voluntarily granting the enemy access to your mind is another animal.
You bring some very need information tht many believers may not know. To step it down a little, everything we eat has an effect on our brain and the rest of how our body functions. I am on a blood thinner and there are so many foods that can thicken the blood. Most things in a salad that are dark green I avoid. Unless I eat the same amount every week then dark green is not good for me. Too much water can cause blood pressure to go up.
So when we use drung's, even asprin has effects . How mayn children are put on Lithium, and it has very, very serious effects that can last a lifetime. All to often children who are genuinely ADDHD are put on mind altering medicine, but the schoold generally does not know how to work with children that are on such ADDHD medicine. I have seen a young lady age 13 who was put on Lithium and she does not function on a level for her afe, not 18.
I have never heard of a child being annoited with oil and prayed over by the Pastor or Elders, have anyone else heard of a child been prayed over or annointed with oil? As most christians are likely to do as the doctor says first and maybe as a last resort they might as for prayer, id things are bad enough with thechild and the parents are at the end of the road.
I do not want to give the impression that I am against medicine, I am not. But medicines for the brain need to be reasearched and carefully thought out and consider the benefits and the risks. Perhaps we take to suggestion of a doctor above asking the Lord the heal, or ask the Lord to help this drug to do it's job without the side effects.
This is an interesting topic, and it looks like believers from all angles have give their opinion.
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Five pages ago, in this thread, the salient question was raised of a brother in bondage:
"Was it God who told you to submit to the transnational drug corporations?"
The poster, who would defend pharmaceutical use, has yet to answer the question.
Each of us will render unto the authority to which each of us have submitted. Therefore, make your calling and election sure, because Satan is roaming about, seeking whom he may devour.
"Was it God who told you to submit to the transnational drug corporations?"
The poster, who would defend pharmaceutical use, has yet to answer the question.
Each of us will render unto the authority to which each of us have submitted. Therefore, make your calling and election sure, because Satan is roaming about, seeking whom he may devour.
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Most Medication drugs affect Mind. So does a little wine for medical purpose or Gladden the heart affect the mind. KJV 1 Tim 5:23, Psalm 104:15
Some drugs/Medication do not even cross the blood Brain Barrier. Parasites, diabetes etc effect the mind. calamity in life circumstances affect the mind. Stress or lack of sleep affect the mind. Your body naturally produces toxins adrenaline which affect the mind..Our Mind affects our body and the world and the world affects our body and mind in a negative or Positive way.
We ''use'' the world as not ''Abusing it'' 1 Cor 7:31 KJV. Those who overuse i.e misuse-Abuse drugs/medication or wine. voluntarily grant's the enemy access to their body and mind in a negative way.
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The topic of this thread is psychotropic drugs.
By definition, psychotropic drugs open the mind, conforming it to the world rather than transforming and renewing it in Christ.
Unless the Lord himself tells us to take psychotropic drugs, we are to reach for Christ rather than for dope.
By definition, psychotropic drugs open the mind, conforming it to the world rather than transforming and renewing it in Christ.
Unless the Lord himself tells us to take psychotropic drugs, we are to reach for Christ rather than for dope.
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Opinion, or the dialectic, which usually argues against facts, or that which is absolute like the Word of God, is what dominates most Christian forums. Why not look at facts about psychotropic drugs?
"Antidepressant drugs such as Prozac, Luvox and Paxil are selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, commonly known as SSRIs. Serotonin is one of your brain's most important biochemicals; it controls everything from appetite to mood swings. If you're depressed, compulsively eating or gambling, not sleeping properly or even just moody, you're probably lacking serotonin. It's important to note, however, that you can also have too much serotonin.
"In Health and Nutrition Secrets, Dr. Russell L. Blaylock writes, "It is also known that these medications increase brain levels of the neurotransmitter serotonin, which, in high concentrations, can also act as an excitotoxin." When antidepressant drugs raise serotonin to an excitotoxin level, the brain reacts in ways similar to mental illness. According to Burton Goldberg's book, 'Alternative Medicine', side effects of SSRIs include uncontrollable facial and body tics, dizziness, hallucinations, nausea, sexual dysfunction, addiction, electric-shock-like sensations in the brain and, of course, homicidal or suicidal thoughts and behavior.
Unfortunately, the doctors prescribing these SSRIs often forget that you can have too much of a good thing -- that is, too much serotonin -- so they prescribe SSRIs to just about everyone. Now, there are some truly bad doctors out there, such as the psychiatrist whom Dr. Joseph Glenmullen describes in Prozac Backlash:" "Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI). Drugs, such as Prozac, that increases levels of circulating serotonin. SSRIs have the potential for serious side effects, including suicidal thoughts, restlessness, and aggression."
"It is also interesting to note that in all the cases of school shootings, the kids responsible for the violence were taking SSRI medications, which are known to produce suicidal and homicidal "side effects." It is also known that these medications increase brain levels of the neurotransmitter serotonin, which, in high concentrations, can also act as an excitotoxin."
"The peer-reviewed article evaluated the FDA’s (Food and Drug Administration) Adverse Event Reporting System (AERS), which records drug side effects that are reported to the FDA, largely by patients, physicians, or drug companies. The adverse drug effects evaluated by the study were specifically limited to acts of violence or aggression associated with therapeutic drugs from 2004 through the third quarter of 2009.......................................Any reported case that contained one or more of the following terms was included in the study: homicide, physical assault, physical abuse, homicidal ideation, or other violence-related symptom. Reports of self-inflicted violence such as attempted suicide, completed suicide, suicidal thinking, or cutting behavior were not included in the study..............................Most of the drugs in the top ten list of those likely to cause violence are antidepressants, but the list also includes a sleeping pill, psychostimulant drugs, an anti-malaria drug, and an anti-smoking medication..................................................................
"The Top 10 List
10. Desvenlafaxine (Pristiq) – Pfizer’s newest antidepressant (a knock-off of Effexor— note the similarity of the generic terms) that artificially stimulates both serotonin and noradrenaline. The drug is 7.9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
9. Venlafaxine (Effexor) - An antidepressant that has marketing approval for both depression and anxiety. The drug is 8.3 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
8. Fluvoxamine (Luvox) - A so-called “selective” serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) drug that is 8.4 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
7. Triazolam (Halcion) - A benzodiazepine (a so-called “minor” but highly addictive tranquilizer) drug for insomnia that is 8.7 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
6 . Atomoxetine (Strattera) – A psychostimulant drug that is 9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
5. Mefloquine (Lariam) – An anti-malaria drug that is 9.5 times more likely to be associated with violence (including homicide and suicide) than other drugs. (It has been proven to have caused numerous drug-induced soldier-perpetrated suicides, domestic homicides, and other occurrences of irrational behavior. Larium may have been taken by the soldier alleged to have been the lone shooter in the latest Afghanistan massacre of 17 innocent civilians (March 11, 2012).
4. Amphetamines – This general class of dangerous and highly addictive psychostimulant drugs is 9.6 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
3. Paroxetine (Paxil) - An SSRI antidepressant with psychostimulating, mania-inducing effects that is 10.3 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs. It is also linked to severe withdrawal symptoms and birth defects.
2. Fluoxetine (Prozac) - A popular SSRI antidepressant drug that is 10.9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
1. Varenicline (Chantix) – A dopaminergic anti-smoking drug that is a shocking 18 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
Note that Amphetamines are listed above as a psychotropic drug which is known to increase violent behavior. There has been an increase in the use of illegal meth-amphetamines, and many law enforcement people involved in this problem know that this drug which is illegally made in home-made labs causes violence, especially when the addict is coming down from a dopamine high.
"Antidepressant drugs such as Prozac, Luvox and Paxil are selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, commonly known as SSRIs. Serotonin is one of your brain's most important biochemicals; it controls everything from appetite to mood swings. If you're depressed, compulsively eating or gambling, not sleeping properly or even just moody, you're probably lacking serotonin. It's important to note, however, that you can also have too much serotonin.
"In Health and Nutrition Secrets, Dr. Russell L. Blaylock writes, "It is also known that these medications increase brain levels of the neurotransmitter serotonin, which, in high concentrations, can also act as an excitotoxin." When antidepressant drugs raise serotonin to an excitotoxin level, the brain reacts in ways similar to mental illness. According to Burton Goldberg's book, 'Alternative Medicine', side effects of SSRIs include uncontrollable facial and body tics, dizziness, hallucinations, nausea, sexual dysfunction, addiction, electric-shock-like sensations in the brain and, of course, homicidal or suicidal thoughts and behavior.
Unfortunately, the doctors prescribing these SSRIs often forget that you can have too much of a good thing -- that is, too much serotonin -- so they prescribe SSRIs to just about everyone. Now, there are some truly bad doctors out there, such as the psychiatrist whom Dr. Joseph Glenmullen describes in Prozac Backlash:" "Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI). Drugs, such as Prozac, that increases levels of circulating serotonin. SSRIs have the potential for serious side effects, including suicidal thoughts, restlessness, and aggression."
"It is also interesting to note that in all the cases of school shootings, the kids responsible for the violence were taking SSRI medications, which are known to produce suicidal and homicidal "side effects." It is also known that these medications increase brain levels of the neurotransmitter serotonin, which, in high concentrations, can also act as an excitotoxin."
"The peer-reviewed article evaluated the FDA’s (Food and Drug Administration) Adverse Event Reporting System (AERS), which records drug side effects that are reported to the FDA, largely by patients, physicians, or drug companies. The adverse drug effects evaluated by the study were specifically limited to acts of violence or aggression associated with therapeutic drugs from 2004 through the third quarter of 2009.......................................Any reported case that contained one or more of the following terms was included in the study: homicide, physical assault, physical abuse, homicidal ideation, or other violence-related symptom. Reports of self-inflicted violence such as attempted suicide, completed suicide, suicidal thinking, or cutting behavior were not included in the study..............................Most of the drugs in the top ten list of those likely to cause violence are antidepressants, but the list also includes a sleeping pill, psychostimulant drugs, an anti-malaria drug, and an anti-smoking medication..................................................................
"The Top 10 List
10. Desvenlafaxine (Pristiq) – Pfizer’s newest antidepressant (a knock-off of Effexor— note the similarity of the generic terms) that artificially stimulates both serotonin and noradrenaline. The drug is 7.9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
9. Venlafaxine (Effexor) - An antidepressant that has marketing approval for both depression and anxiety. The drug is 8.3 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
8. Fluvoxamine (Luvox) - A so-called “selective” serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) drug that is 8.4 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
7. Triazolam (Halcion) - A benzodiazepine (a so-called “minor” but highly addictive tranquilizer) drug for insomnia that is 8.7 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
6 . Atomoxetine (Strattera) – A psychostimulant drug that is 9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
5. Mefloquine (Lariam) – An anti-malaria drug that is 9.5 times more likely to be associated with violence (including homicide and suicide) than other drugs. (It has been proven to have caused numerous drug-induced soldier-perpetrated suicides, domestic homicides, and other occurrences of irrational behavior. Larium may have been taken by the soldier alleged to have been the lone shooter in the latest Afghanistan massacre of 17 innocent civilians (March 11, 2012).
4. Amphetamines – This general class of dangerous and highly addictive psychostimulant drugs is 9.6 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
3. Paroxetine (Paxil) - An SSRI antidepressant with psychostimulating, mania-inducing effects that is 10.3 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs. It is also linked to severe withdrawal symptoms and birth defects.
2. Fluoxetine (Prozac) - A popular SSRI antidepressant drug that is 10.9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
1. Varenicline (Chantix) – A dopaminergic anti-smoking drug that is a shocking 18 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.
Note that Amphetamines are listed above as a psychotropic drug which is known to increase violent behavior. There has been an increase in the use of illegal meth-amphetamines, and many law enforcement people involved in this problem know that this drug which is illegally made in home-made labs causes violence, especially when the addict is coming down from a dopamine high.
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I am not to sure exactly what you mean by Psychotropic drugs ''open the mind''. Could you clarify ?....I tell atheist who do not believe in the existence God or demon/evil spirits in the spiritual realm. You need to have a ''open mind'' to see the posibility of this.
Some atheists abuse alchohol and street drugs and still their ''mind is not open'' to the spiritual realm and believe it. Yet clean living Christians have a open mind.
Alchohol is a Psychotropic drug and crosses BBB. Yet Paul tells timothy to take a little Wine for his frequent illnesses.
Myself when i was a infant i had a hernia and it was sorted in a operation. When i was older and going to a pentecostal church in the UK and Benny Hin came over from America bringing the Toronto blessing where people was being slain in the spirit and there was exorcisms casting out ''Supposed'' demon/evil spirits. During the 2 years under this ministry there was some people claiming miracle healing and having miracle Gold fillings in their teeth. But not One ''supposed'' Miracle healing or Gold filling was Proven by medical evidence. One woman was caught out in outright lying regarding her medical condition. And the Gold filling claims was found out people using Golden foil. A friend of mine was not healed of Multiple Scierosis. Another Person i brought to the church i was CONVINCED he had many demon/evil spirits because when i was at his house i could see them manifesting. His medical Condition was Multiple personality disorder. But exorcism did not cast them out. Eventually there was a split in the leadership between Mike Price and Calvin Strode about this Toronto blessing which caused a split in the membership of the church....While i was going to this church i developed a hernia and had to have it was sorted by surgery. I eventually left this Church....About a year later i decided to go to Another Pentecostal Church that was ''WITHOUT'' this Toronto blessing. A while later developed pain in my stomach. I seen the doctors to find out what the problem was and after tests they called me into hospital and on that day they told me i got cecum cancer and keeped me in to clear my bowel so the could operate next morning. That was 15 years ago. I am clear of cancer Thank God and the Doctors.
I am left with medical complications. They have removed my cecum which takes the water out your bowel. I am left with perminent chronic watery diarrhea. I have to take life time medication Loperamide so i can have a normal stool. Four 2 mg caps and this medication does not cross the BBB. Also i have very debilitating pain from trapped nerve endings from the damage caused by the operation. I take Gabapentine 1200 mg or less depending on the amount of activity i do...The Maximum dose for this drug 3600 mg. But i have retired 10 years ago. Why should i have to try and do full time activity work causing more pain and taking more medication. I control the pain by taking life easy. I have lost Interest in doing my Sport career and other work career chasing money. Also i got adhesions and very small hernia from the operation. This causes intermitant partial small bowel obstruction which sometimes is very painfull. I have to take 10 mg morphine. But this does not happen very often but only occasionally. The doctors advised me not to have more surgery because surgery produces more adhesions...I also have reflux and inlarged prostate which i have to take 30 mg Omeprazole for eating food and 5 mg finastride to help me urinate normally. I feel fine and normal when i sleep well and stay relaxed. I am not aggresive suicidal or depressed. At first i went through depression caused by my life dreams going down the pan because of these medical Issues. The leader-ship in this happy clappy pentcostal church i was going to said to me christians don't get depressed. The Holy Spirit showed me different and spirit led me out that church away from these people trying to cause me stress. I am battling heresies. Then 5 years later i found my dad dead at 81. All this crap in life does not help. I hate my own life. Jesus said he who does not hate his own life can not be my disciple. Prozac helps to numb sever depression but it is still there. Phychologist don't help much telling you you have got to make your life happen when you know you can't. I stopped that medication and found another way to deal with depression. Forget trying to make my life happen. Don't think about the past and dont think about the future. Keep my mind occupied with things in the present especially with the things of Christ and have a different life in Christ. I dont worry about my life and seek the kingdom of God and its righteousness. I am more then satisfied what has been added to me in life regarding my needs over the years. It is true the Lord supplies. The health and wealth preaching is a false Gospel. Through his Love the Lord Chastises his Own Children. If you are without Chatisement you are not legitmate true sons and daughters. Hebrew 12:4-8.
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Grammatically and definitively, "open the mind" is not synonymous with "open mind."
"open the mind" = to conform the mind to the world.
"open mind" = consideration without prejudice.
Of course. That is their fundamental plan - make a cash cow out of you - for life. They don't heal/cure anyone; they cut it out (surgery), burn it out (radiation), or poison it out (drugs). A marginal patient is a manageable one who is required to regularly return to them for office visits, treatments, drugs, etc.
Yep.
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To be fair not everyone who recieves cancer treatment are left with medical complications that requires life time drug medication. It all depends on where the cancer is located. In my case the main tumor was located at the cecum. With the removel of the cecum caused life time loperamide. The adhesions in itself is not causing me pain. Trapped nerve is my particuler issue. Not all people who have a Operation are left with a trapped nerve. Also because having to re-join the small bowel to the large bowel the adhesions at that point does ''restrict'' the liquefied food getting through. Psycological stress or physical stress will futher cause ''restriction'' resulting in a ''partail small bowel obstruction''. I stay focused on stress management to try and prevent the partial obstuction happening. It is rare that i have to reach for a bit of 10 mg morphine. Either Loperamide and a bit of morphine on rare occasions or another major operation to remove the whole large bowel and most the small bowel and have a stoma with a bag. ]The other 2 medical Issues i have is a sepearate issue. Refux and Enlarged Prostate. This comes with age.] I would rather stick to the first option medication. [Besides it is free from cost to me in the UK] With the hope Perhaps Our Lord and God Jesus Christ Perhaps may replace a cecum and clear the adhesions and release the trapped nerve through a miracle.
Or perhaps Christ has other Plans in dealing with me. When i was younger it was quite ''Impossible for me'' to just give up a Sport career and business career my wordly pursuits in life. This was taking up most my time and leaving little time for the things of Christ. Jesus said what is ''Impossible for Men are Possible with God'' Luke 18:27. A Physically injured man finds it impossible to have a worldy pursuits. But finds it possible to pursue Christ.
Cancer treatment does not always result in a cure for cancer. In some cases it only prolongs life for a few years. If caught very early it perhaps may cure. In my case it was found very late at stage 4 and spreading. There was not much hope coming from the doctors for me. They are quite amazed that i am cancer free 15 years now. I am not saying that everyone who get's cancer that it is down to their own Personal Sin because in some cases it can be down to Ancestral Sin or in their Genes. But in my case i fell into this one particuler Sin that i had not done for over a decade. I was unrepentant for about a year. Then i developed the cancer. The Lord showed me sin leads to sickness and sickness leads to death. He showed me the root cause of the Problem. Stay away from this sin and the cancer will stay away from you and Sin no more. Talk about fear of Sin. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Philippians 2:12-13.
I am still not quite sure exactly ''what sense'' do you mean Psychotoropic drugs>Open the mind= To Conform the mind to the world. Alcohol is a Psychotropic drug. Yet Paul told Timothy to take a little wine for his frequent illnesses. That would ''in a sense'' open the mind of Timothy and conform his mind to the world.
I can understand ''in another sense'' that the Abuse of Wine or the Abuse of drugs will open the mind=Conform the Mind to the World.
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This is my perspective on this issue.
I come with the perspective of being a mental health provider, I work with psychiatrist who prescribe. I do not prescribe myself, but
do therapy and can diagnose, bi-polar, depression, etc. So my perspective is one of being a Christian which should be all of our foundation, and
in addition being a clinician as well. So I'm talking about a field that I have a Masters degree in and a license to practice by the Maryland Board of Social Work Examiners, as well as being a board certified supervisor.
With that said, I'm not responding to the issue of sorcery, but to the concept of medications in general. Regarding sorcery I will just say, pray and seek wisdom. The devil isn't on vacation or taking a nap in any area of this world.
So obviously many have little problems with medications for physical ailments. Taking a Tylenol for a headache, or antacids for stomach issues, etc. We know that before the advancement of modern medicine herbs were used to treat physical problems and the worked. But modern medicines were able to isolate various active ingredients in the medicine to have a more potent and powerful affect. For example, take multi-vitamins. You can eat oranges to get vitamin C, or you can get a concentrated synthetic(man made in a lab) form in a pill.
Now when it comes to medication for mental health, people start asking questions, and rightfully they should. As a professional and seeing all through the lens of the Bible, what I see is that many people are spiritually blind to the condition of their soul(mind and emotions), and often times rely on medication as a crutch. For example, many people are depressed because they don't feel the love of God or don't have a close relationship with God in times of troubles, this problem is masked by medication because it will treat the symptom but not cure the problem. I'm seeing a client now who want's to kill himself because He sees no purpose in life. And yes, He also does not believe in God, so such a client may take medications to make himself feel better, but mask the real problem which is the hungry of His soul for a healthy relationship with God.
Yes, chemical imbalances are real, but this relates back to the Garden of Eden, the truth is we all have chemical imbalances, and all of our DNA is stained because of sin, no one is perfect. You might have one protein that does not break down a certain bacteria leading to making you allergic to something. You may have weak lungs causing you to have asthma. In terms of mental health, you may have issues with your adrenaline glands due to PTSD causing you to have instant reaction to various auditory stimulus. We all have flaws in our personalities and the way we regulate our emotions(This is why we need Jesus, if we were perfect we wouldn't need Him). When this gets go a point where it affects our daily functioning, we diagnosis this as a mental disorder. Which is just a way of labeling or giving a name to a defect we have because of our inability to be healthy(mentally) in that area. Don't forget, it if wasn't for sin we would not have any mental health disorders. I know some disorders are a result of trauma(death, rape, divorce, loss job) and others are a result of being born with a certain chemical profile(austism, etc).
For example ADHD, as a school based therapist for 8 years, over 94% of all the youth that I diagnosed as ADHD, I realized that after 8 years of research were all youth who did not have a father in the home. So it wasn't such that they were born this way, but that, the absence of their father actually changed their brain chemistry to lack focus. We forget that God is able to also change our brain chemistry back to normal. Romans 12:2 says, "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will." Instead of being the example to the world, we Christians are often following the pattern of this world, as we jump on the medication bandwagon. Research shows that you can change your brain chemistry just through positive thinking. Your brain is constantly rewiring itself, based on what you think and do.
I'm not saying that medications for mental health are all bad. What I'm saying is this: Imagine you have acid reflex issues. The simple first step will be to ideally eat a diet low in acid and high in alkaline foods (green vegetables, etc). But instead of dealing with the source, we would rather take an acid reflex pill and continue to eat unhealthy while treating the symptom and ignoring the problem. Or an obese person instead of exercising, may want to take a pill to help them lose weight. What does the pill teach you, does it help you be in tune with your body? Do it help you to take ownership of solving problems or does it mask the problem by treating the symptom. The same is with mental health issues, at times medications may be appropriate for mental health issues, but by far and large, most of the conditions could be address either by simply growing spiritually or changing our lifestyle. For example, I work with teen girls who may be depressed, but they don't realize that they are depressed because of their promiscuous sexual behaviors which spiritually is stealing their joy, so they take a pill to solve the problem, not know that the depression is a cry of their soul pointing to a deeper problem. Sometimes God often wants us to go through issues so we can grow. So should Job had taken a Prozac pill for his depression or was it good that He wrestled with the problem of suffering so that He could learn and grow closer to God. Would Job have grown spiritually in His situation if He just took medications and ignored the deeper problem?
When you put your hand on a hot stove you feel pain, that pain is a normal reflex, built into us to make us aware that something is wrong. This is the same with our soul, excessive worrying, depression, mood issues, are signals from our soul pointing to a deeper problem that needs to be fixed. If medications were the solution Jesus would have came passing out pills to everyone. If money was the solution, Jesus would have came passing out money to all the poor. But He didn't give them all money because the issue was not physical poverty but a poverty of the spirit. But we want everything fast. And it does take time to do it the right way and we don't want to wait. It takes time to work on a marriage, but we would rather just divorce. It takes time to exercise and discipline to eat right, but we would rather just take a pill. It takes time to analyze your relationships and think about if you are harboring unforgiveness in your life or ask for forgiveness to deal with the guilt that is affecting your mood, but we would rather just take a pill. It takes time to work out the process of maturing in God but some would rather just say, we'll I'm saved so that's it.
Don't get me wrong sometimes medications can be a lifesaver in certain situations and I supported medications for some kids I worked with whose behaviors were just so violent and there were a danger to themselves and others. But while they were on the medications and being treated at the symptom level, we worked to get to the bottom to find out what the source of the problem was, so that the medication could stop, and not be a life long crutch.
Medications are good: when they allow you to get to the root of the problem, allowing you to eventually stop the medication and resume life without being dependent on a drug.
Jesus want's us dependent on him, not medications.
I come with the perspective of being a mental health provider, I work with psychiatrist who prescribe. I do not prescribe myself, but
do therapy and can diagnose, bi-polar, depression, etc. So my perspective is one of being a Christian which should be all of our foundation, and
in addition being a clinician as well. So I'm talking about a field that I have a Masters degree in and a license to practice by the Maryland Board of Social Work Examiners, as well as being a board certified supervisor.
With that said, I'm not responding to the issue of sorcery, but to the concept of medications in general. Regarding sorcery I will just say, pray and seek wisdom. The devil isn't on vacation or taking a nap in any area of this world.
So obviously many have little problems with medications for physical ailments. Taking a Tylenol for a headache, or antacids for stomach issues, etc. We know that before the advancement of modern medicine herbs were used to treat physical problems and the worked. But modern medicines were able to isolate various active ingredients in the medicine to have a more potent and powerful affect. For example, take multi-vitamins. You can eat oranges to get vitamin C, or you can get a concentrated synthetic(man made in a lab) form in a pill.
Now when it comes to medication for mental health, people start asking questions, and rightfully they should. As a professional and seeing all through the lens of the Bible, what I see is that many people are spiritually blind to the condition of their soul(mind and emotions), and often times rely on medication as a crutch. For example, many people are depressed because they don't feel the love of God or don't have a close relationship with God in times of troubles, this problem is masked by medication because it will treat the symptom but not cure the problem. I'm seeing a client now who want's to kill himself because He sees no purpose in life. And yes, He also does not believe in God, so such a client may take medications to make himself feel better, but mask the real problem which is the hungry of His soul for a healthy relationship with God.
Yes, chemical imbalances are real, but this relates back to the Garden of Eden, the truth is we all have chemical imbalances, and all of our DNA is stained because of sin, no one is perfect. You might have one protein that does not break down a certain bacteria leading to making you allergic to something. You may have weak lungs causing you to have asthma. In terms of mental health, you may have issues with your adrenaline glands due to PTSD causing you to have instant reaction to various auditory stimulus. We all have flaws in our personalities and the way we regulate our emotions(This is why we need Jesus, if we were perfect we wouldn't need Him). When this gets go a point where it affects our daily functioning, we diagnosis this as a mental disorder. Which is just a way of labeling or giving a name to a defect we have because of our inability to be healthy(mentally) in that area. Don't forget, it if wasn't for sin we would not have any mental health disorders. I know some disorders are a result of trauma(death, rape, divorce, loss job) and others are a result of being born with a certain chemical profile(austism, etc).
For example ADHD, as a school based therapist for 8 years, over 94% of all the youth that I diagnosed as ADHD, I realized that after 8 years of research were all youth who did not have a father in the home. So it wasn't such that they were born this way, but that, the absence of their father actually changed their brain chemistry to lack focus. We forget that God is able to also change our brain chemistry back to normal. Romans 12:2 says, "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will." Instead of being the example to the world, we Christians are often following the pattern of this world, as we jump on the medication bandwagon. Research shows that you can change your brain chemistry just through positive thinking. Your brain is constantly rewiring itself, based on what you think and do.
I'm not saying that medications for mental health are all bad. What I'm saying is this: Imagine you have acid reflex issues. The simple first step will be to ideally eat a diet low in acid and high in alkaline foods (green vegetables, etc). But instead of dealing with the source, we would rather take an acid reflex pill and continue to eat unhealthy while treating the symptom and ignoring the problem. Or an obese person instead of exercising, may want to take a pill to help them lose weight. What does the pill teach you, does it help you be in tune with your body? Do it help you to take ownership of solving problems or does it mask the problem by treating the symptom. The same is with mental health issues, at times medications may be appropriate for mental health issues, but by far and large, most of the conditions could be address either by simply growing spiritually or changing our lifestyle. For example, I work with teen girls who may be depressed, but they don't realize that they are depressed because of their promiscuous sexual behaviors which spiritually is stealing their joy, so they take a pill to solve the problem, not know that the depression is a cry of their soul pointing to a deeper problem. Sometimes God often wants us to go through issues so we can grow. So should Job had taken a Prozac pill for his depression or was it good that He wrestled with the problem of suffering so that He could learn and grow closer to God. Would Job have grown spiritually in His situation if He just took medications and ignored the deeper problem?
When you put your hand on a hot stove you feel pain, that pain is a normal reflex, built into us to make us aware that something is wrong. This is the same with our soul, excessive worrying, depression, mood issues, are signals from our soul pointing to a deeper problem that needs to be fixed. If medications were the solution Jesus would have came passing out pills to everyone. If money was the solution, Jesus would have came passing out money to all the poor. But He didn't give them all money because the issue was not physical poverty but a poverty of the spirit. But we want everything fast. And it does take time to do it the right way and we don't want to wait. It takes time to work on a marriage, but we would rather just divorce. It takes time to exercise and discipline to eat right, but we would rather just take a pill. It takes time to analyze your relationships and think about if you are harboring unforgiveness in your life or ask for forgiveness to deal with the guilt that is affecting your mood, but we would rather just take a pill. It takes time to work out the process of maturing in God but some would rather just say, we'll I'm saved so that's it.
Don't get me wrong sometimes medications can be a lifesaver in certain situations and I supported medications for some kids I worked with whose behaviors were just so violent and there were a danger to themselves and others. But while they were on the medications and being treated at the symptom level, we worked to get to the bottom to find out what the source of the problem was, so that the medication could stop, and not be a life long crutch.
Medications are good: when they allow you to get to the root of the problem, allowing you to eventually stop the medication and resume life without being dependent on a drug.
Jesus want's us dependent on him, not medications.
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What are the words 'phar
The words 'pharmakia' and the words 'witchcraft' are the same.
Witchcraft
qecem
Pronunciation
keh'·sem (Key)
qeçem, keh'-sem; from H7080; a lot; also divination (including its fee), oracle:—(reward of) divination, divine sentence, witchcraft.
Pharmakia
Strong's Concordance
pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Original Word: φαρμακεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pharmakeia
Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-i'-ah)
Short Definition: magic, sorcery, enchantment
Definition: magic, sorcery, enchantment.
HELPS Word-studies
5331 pharmakeía (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).
You decide
The words 'pharmakia' and the words 'witchcraft' are the same.
Witchcraft
qecem
Pronunciation
keh'·sem (Key)
qeçem, keh'-sem; from H7080; a lot; also divination (including its fee), oracle:—(reward of) divination, divine sentence, witchcraft.
Pharmakia
Strong's Concordance
pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Original Word: φαρμακεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pharmakeia
Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-i'-ah)
Short Definition: magic, sorcery, enchantment
Definition: magic, sorcery, enchantment.
HELPS Word-studies
5331 pharmakeía (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).
You decide
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I agree...d
I agree..Doctors have their place...Too many Christians are not ready to believe Jesus healed them..1 Pete 2:24 so need an alternative healer....Also the unsaved need doctors
1 Pete 2:24 By Jesus stripes you were healed....If you were healed, You are healed.....You MUST learn to walk in it.
I agree..Doctors have their place...Too many Christians are not ready to believe Jesus healed them..1 Pete 2:24 so need an alternative healer....Also the unsaved need doctors
1 Pete 2:24 By Jesus stripes you were healed....If you were healed, You are healed.....You MUST learn to walk in it.
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Something just came to mind,
(1) We have mental disorders because of sin (***)
(2) Jesus came to free us from sin.
(***)=(I'm not saying that you are mentally ill because you sinned, but because sin entered this world mental illness became possible. It would not have been possible without sin)
Therefore shouldn't Jesus be the active ingredient in any solution that has at it's root sin as the problem?
Start with Jesus and if He leads you to medication, then fine, I'm not being legalistic about it, but Jesus should be the foundation;
don't
Start with medication and then add Jesus and some counseling on the side if needed.
No.
Start with Jesus, and some good Christian counseling, and if you are lead to medications by the Holy Spirit, fine. But know where your trust lie and know who ultimately wants the credit for healing you(Jesus).
Sometimes I wonder if God allowed us to discover all these drugs because He knew we would have a lack of faith to trust Him to heal ourselves. So in His mercy He allowed us to get this knowledge.
Like I said in my previous post, medications treat the body, and deal with problems on a physical level.
You can't solve a spiritual problem with a physical solution. You will treat the physical symptoms, but the
underlying spiritual issues will be left untreated. Imagine legion who today we would say have multiple personality disorders, Jesus didn't give Him pills, but He rebuked those demons and casted them out. Legion had classical schizophrenic behaviors, we can say He HAD schziophernia, and for the cure Jesus casted out the demons. But I know it will be too politically incorrect for Christians to have the courage to rebuke demons out of people, because I guess for some reason we think all the demons are on vacation and no longer attacking people and affecting their mood and thoughts.
If medications brings a person closer to God, then who am I to
condemn them, but all too often, they don't bring a person closer to God, they often give the person a false sense
of confidence that a problem has been solved, which makes a person even less likely to cry out to God for help, because
why do I need God to help me with my anger, or depression, or mood swings, when I can just take a pill and keep it moving.
You all are intelligent. Just reflect upon that and may the Holy Spirit bless you and pure wisdom liberally upon your hearts that you may
all be drenched in His love, mercy, and be drawn closer to God through how you view this topic.
Ultimately it is about Jesus, take me out of the picture, take yourself out of the picture, and put Jesus in the center and you can't go wrong as long as you are trusting in Him.
When they engineer a pill that will take you to heaven, let me know. lol. But we can't because such spiritual problems cannot we solved by physical treatments.
(1) We have mental disorders because of sin (***)
(2) Jesus came to free us from sin.
(***)=(I'm not saying that you are mentally ill because you sinned, but because sin entered this world mental illness became possible. It would not have been possible without sin)
Therefore shouldn't Jesus be the active ingredient in any solution that has at it's root sin as the problem?
Start with Jesus and if He leads you to medication, then fine, I'm not being legalistic about it, but Jesus should be the foundation;
don't
Start with medication and then add Jesus and some counseling on the side if needed.
No.
Start with Jesus, and some good Christian counseling, and if you are lead to medications by the Holy Spirit, fine. But know where your trust lie and know who ultimately wants the credit for healing you(Jesus).
Sometimes I wonder if God allowed us to discover all these drugs because He knew we would have a lack of faith to trust Him to heal ourselves. So in His mercy He allowed us to get this knowledge.
Like I said in my previous post, medications treat the body, and deal with problems on a physical level.
You can't solve a spiritual problem with a physical solution. You will treat the physical symptoms, but the
underlying spiritual issues will be left untreated. Imagine legion who today we would say have multiple personality disorders, Jesus didn't give Him pills, but He rebuked those demons and casted them out. Legion had classical schizophrenic behaviors, we can say He HAD schziophernia, and for the cure Jesus casted out the demons. But I know it will be too politically incorrect for Christians to have the courage to rebuke demons out of people, because I guess for some reason we think all the demons are on vacation and no longer attacking people and affecting their mood and thoughts.
If medications brings a person closer to God, then who am I to
condemn them, but all too often, they don't bring a person closer to God, they often give the person a false sense
of confidence that a problem has been solved, which makes a person even less likely to cry out to God for help, because
why do I need God to help me with my anger, or depression, or mood swings, when I can just take a pill and keep it moving.
You all are intelligent. Just reflect upon that and may the Holy Spirit bless you and pure wisdom liberally upon your hearts that you may
all be drenched in His love, mercy, and be drawn closer to God through how you view this topic.
Ultimately it is about Jesus, take me out of the picture, take yourself out of the picture, and put Jesus in the center and you can't go wrong as long as you are trusting in Him.
When they engineer a pill that will take you to heaven, let me know. lol. But we can't because such spiritual problems cannot we solved by physical treatments.
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Hello... I have read most of this post and your views. I agree whole heartily. I wanted to know advice you would have to me. I used benzos for "anxiety" for 11 years. I sought the lord again this April, I say again because I was saved at nine but walked away from God for along time. I got mixed up in lots of bad things and your words really spoke to me in terms of satans hold on the mind. I need to break free of more strongholds. How shall I proceed? Just want some advice. Thanks god bless.
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Start by finding a few good verses on healing....speak those and personalize them... As in "By Jesus striped I was healed." If you were healed, you ARE healed...Stop speaking the problem and only speak Word.
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Ok.. Thank you!
"..Psychotropic drugs are defined by the action they have in the brain, altering the chemistry, to release or inhibit the flow of neurotransmitters like serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine for example. All of this for therapeutic help for those with a chemical imbalance...."
The "chemical imbalance" theory is the biggest fraud perpetrated on the American public in modern times. There is no scientific studies, proofs that chemical imbalances are the root cause of any strange behaviors and "illnesses" affecting the human psyche.
"...Now, some people are trying to claim that using anti-depressants or anti-psychotics to control a disorder is equivalent to sorcery..."
Do you know, who these people are, who run these companies? The Chemists who work on these drug formula's? Does it NOT BOTHER YOU that they will be "stumped" for years on a "formula" until their "SPIRIT GUIDE" gave them the breakthrough in a seance? If, IF.. It truly is just an imbalance inside the brain, then how do you account for all the "paranormal and poltergeist" activity that happen AROUND people who are either going on or off these legal drugs? I mean, forget for a moment that people go around killing 10 people 6 weeks after being put on these meds, what about all the really weird crap that happens in their homes, work places and schools? Manifesting OUTSIDE of them? That's all in their head too? Or is it more likely related to all the occult activity that goes on in these companies and in these "formula's"?
"...Or is it a sin for a schizophrenic to take drugs to block out the part of their brain which is responsible for the delusion?..."
Again, your falling for the lie that people have a chemical imbalance. All that these drugs do, is "sedate" the part of the brain that allows the demon to manifest it's symptoms "through" the person. Where are these supposed illnesses coming from? Do we just ignore scripture (Romans 1:28) that tells us that God "gives people over to an UNSOUND MIND" based on their own sins?"
"...The list goes on and one. Granted, these drugs come with many risks in rare cases..."
Rare? Do you know, that "paxil withdrawal" is worse than a street drug? When Heroin addicts tell you that "cold turkey" heroin withdrawal is a BREEZE compared to paxil withdrawal (in both the severity and length) of symptoms, you have a serious problem. The problem is people are not told the real risks of "trying" these drugs. Why do you think, after 30 years on the market, that paxil still has NO generic and is still over $400 a month? Because of all the "brain damage" lawsuits. If you think these problems are RARE, go check out the online "self help" websites for the tens of thousands of people who are now legally disabled due to their game of "Russian roulette" with these occultists.
All these drugs do is "sedate" people so they don't act out and cause a problem in polite society. They don't deal with the real reason why they are suffering, and it has NOTHING to do with a chemical imbalance. All they are, are form of a "chemical lobotomy". They just no longer crack your head open like the old days.
The "chemical imbalance" theory is the biggest fraud perpetrated on the American public in modern times. There is no scientific studies, proofs that chemical imbalances are the root cause of any strange behaviors and "illnesses" affecting the human psyche.
"...Now, some people are trying to claim that using anti-depressants or anti-psychotics to control a disorder is equivalent to sorcery..."
Do you know, who these people are, who run these companies? The Chemists who work on these drug formula's? Does it NOT BOTHER YOU that they will be "stumped" for years on a "formula" until their "SPIRIT GUIDE" gave them the breakthrough in a seance? If, IF.. It truly is just an imbalance inside the brain, then how do you account for all the "paranormal and poltergeist" activity that happen AROUND people who are either going on or off these legal drugs? I mean, forget for a moment that people go around killing 10 people 6 weeks after being put on these meds, what about all the really weird crap that happens in their homes, work places and schools? Manifesting OUTSIDE of them? That's all in their head too? Or is it more likely related to all the occult activity that goes on in these companies and in these "formula's"?
"...Or is it a sin for a schizophrenic to take drugs to block out the part of their brain which is responsible for the delusion?..."
Again, your falling for the lie that people have a chemical imbalance. All that these drugs do, is "sedate" the part of the brain that allows the demon to manifest it's symptoms "through" the person. Where are these supposed illnesses coming from? Do we just ignore scripture (Romans 1:28) that tells us that God "gives people over to an UNSOUND MIND" based on their own sins?"
"...The list goes on and one. Granted, these drugs come with many risks in rare cases..."
Rare? Do you know, that "paxil withdrawal" is worse than a street drug? When Heroin addicts tell you that "cold turkey" heroin withdrawal is a BREEZE compared to paxil withdrawal (in both the severity and length) of symptoms, you have a serious problem. The problem is people are not told the real risks of "trying" these drugs. Why do you think, after 30 years on the market, that paxil still has NO generic and is still over $400 a month? Because of all the "brain damage" lawsuits. If you think these problems are RARE, go check out the online "self help" websites for the tens of thousands of people who are now legally disabled due to their game of "Russian roulette" with these occultists.
All these drugs do is "sedate" people so they don't act out and cause a problem in polite society. They don't deal with the real reason why they are suffering, and it has NOTHING to do with a chemical imbalance. All they are, are form of a "chemical lobotomy". They just no longer crack your head open like the old days.
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In the early 90s, I was going through menopause and had serious hot flashes, so my emotions, too, were kind of like on a roller coaster, if I remember correctly. I also had some emotional issues I was dealing with, and I was up and down spiritually. So, I was talked into seeing a psychiatrist, and he prescribed Prozac for me, so I took it, because I hoped it would help. But, immediately I had several negative side effects to the Prozac. The doctor convinced me that they would go away, so I stayed on the drug, but the physical symptoms only got worse. So, the doctor prescribed an anti-anxiety med for me, because he was convinced it was emotional, not physical, so I continued taking the drug, only the physical symptoms I was experiencing only got much, much worse. By this time I could not even bear the sound of my husband's deep base voice, because of the damage which was being done to my physical nerves. It was so painful that it brought me to tears every time.
I don't know how much time passed before I finally decided to look up the side effects of the drug in the PDR, because I took the doctor's word that Prozac could not possibly cause my symptoms. So, I saw a neurologist, who ran a whole bunch of tests on me, which came back negative. Then, I did look at the PDR, and I discovered that every single symptom I was experiencing was listed in the PDR, some of which was listed under "rare," which is often where I find myself. So, I stopped taking the drug cold turkey, and immediately the symptoms I had been experiencing decreased greatly in severity or completely went away. But, I was left with a headache (24/7) for at least 10 years before I finally believed God to heal me. I was still taking some meds at that time, but not the Prozac, and the Lord led me to get rid of all the meds, so I did, at least I did for a while, and after about 2 weeks of "hell" the pain finally went away, and I was healed. I felt like I had just been released from prison. Praise the Lord!
I don't do well with medications, and have had problems with bad side effects from prescription drugs for many years, which I believe God allowed because he didn't want me drug dependent. I did go back to taking some meds on occasion, but that usually ended up bad, until about 10 years ago when I finally realized God didn't want me depending on my drugs for healing, but he wanted me completely dependent on him, so I have been prescription drug dependent free for about 10 years now, and it is very freeing! I don't even take any pain pills, but just pray through the pain.
Anyway, these psychiatric drugs are very dangerous, and they are often handed out to people like candy, and as a replacement for helping them to find the real help they need, and without monitoring them, and by doctors who are just pill pushers and who don't listen to their patients. Many of these drugs do mess with the brain and they alter personalities and put you in a kind of numb state to where you lose all sense of right and wrong and any kind of real emotion, and that is very dangerous, as well as are the serious side effects of these drugs.
Drugs are not the answers to our problems, anyway. Only God can heal the hurts of our minds, bodies and emotions. Drugs often mask problems and don't really get to the core of what is causing the pain and suffering, and they are a cheap and dangerous substitute for faith in Jesus Christ and in his healing power in our lives. It is sad how so many doctors just give out drugs without even trying to help someone. I have or had cold urticaria, for example, and the doc just wanted to prescribe an antihistamine, and he mocked me when I told him I don't take drugs, and he tried to convince me that God had given me drugs as my "saviors." But, I told him that God didn't give me drugs. He gave me exercise and vegetables. And, as far as the cold urticaria is concerned, I realized all I had to do was dress more warmly and avoid cold as much as possible. No more problems, so perhaps God has already healed me. He is my great physician!!
