This entire thread seems to be about Paul vs Jesus. It's very odd to me.
It seems to some Jesus was a legalist, but Paul wasn't... therefore Pauls preaching is better?
I would call anyone who believes this a Paulian... not a Christian.
As far as Paul teaching grace.. yes he did that.... sometimes.. but Paul is also the person who wrote these verses.
Rom 1:18; For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
Rom 1:24; Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
Rom 1:26; For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:28; And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
Rom 1:32; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to others who practice them.
where is the grace here?
Rom 2:1; Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
Rom 2:2; And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things.
Rom 2:3; But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?
You think you are better because you are a Christian and a different set of rules applies? Think again... Paul wrote this.
Rom 6:2; May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Rom 6:12; Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
Rom 8:12; So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh—
I'm not even half-way through Romans yet.
1 Cor 5:11; But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
1 Cor 5:12; For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
1 Cor 5:13; But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.
1 Cor 7:19; Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.
Wow... Paul wrote this too.. Paul was a legalist too.
Did Paul save your soul? Was Paul sinless? Was Paul THE Son of God? Was Paul God? Was Paul resurrected in the flesh? No... no... no... and no.
Do you think Paul wrote the book of Hebrews?
1 Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1 Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
Paul wrote this.
Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
He wrote this too... I can add dozens more verses if you like. This notion that Paul was a grace only preacher is nonsense.
