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Luke 9:1-2

You said Grace comes after repentance......But It takes Grace to repent.
If it takes grace to repent you are pushing Calvinism. Partiality. Partiality is wicked. God is not wicked.

Unless you can make a counter argument for how grace given to enable one to repent is not partiality?
 
Maybe...Considering what grace is....The empowering presence of God I need His presence in me to help me repent from my sins...Any mistake I make brings on paralyzing guilt, that required Gods empowering presence to overcome.

which is as a kiss from him?


Bless you ....><>
 
If it takes grace to repent you are pushing Calvinism. Partiality. Partiality is wicked. God is not wicked.

Unless you can make a counter argument for how grace given to enable one to repent is not partiality?

eek!
 
@KingJ 1. Do you think there is any Christian here, at your church or anywhere in the world that are not guilty of a sin mentioned in 1 Cor 6:9-11? Bearing Matt 5:28 in mind.

-----------------------------1. Born Again Christians do not practice these sins any longer. Jesus sets us free and give us the power to say no. but more importantly he gives us a new heart where we DONT want to do these sins any more because we Love Jesus so much that we know it would upset him.


2. Do you believe sin will ever not be a part of our life?
-------------------yes when I get my glorified body, we will no longer have a sin nature is my understanding

------------------------2. Sin is not something that is part of my life in a willing way, I may sin unintentionally, but I do not sin unpurpose not in a long time, (other then recently I rode my mountain bike on a trail not open to the public, and the holly spirit grieved inside me like crazy, a few weeks later when the trail was open to the public, I rode it again and broke my collar bone)

So no I do not make sin part of my life, I run to Jesus when temptation or lust thoughts come to me, yes I do sin sometimes unintentional like speeding not wearing a seat belt, a moment of anger if I bumb my toe etc....

If you think you can live a life of sin and repeat the same sin over and over again and be a follower who Loves Christ I would have to disagree. Because when we are born again Christ is the most important thing in our life we love him he gives us a new heart we do not want to upset him.

We no longer sin not because we are all of sudden super strong will power but because we Love Christ and DONT want to sin. our hearts our changed. It takes time and effort on our part, at least it did for me, NOpe I am not perfect but I am a MILLION TIMES better then I was,


I do not like sin I hate sin, so why would I make it a part of my life???

you seem to think and correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to think you can repeat sin over and over and then get forgiveness?? you see repent means STOP it does not mean confession.

You seem to be saying a lifestyle of sin is ok as long as you feel bad about it and ask forgiveness, am I misunderstanding you???
 
If it takes grace to repent you are pushing Calvinism. Partiality. Partiality is wicked. God is not wicked.

You obviously don't know the tenants of Calvinism. Do a google search on the "5 solas". That is Calvinism.
Yes "predestination" is in there too... but the main tenant of Calvinism is OSAS.

Ultra-Calvinism: Once I am saved, I can do whatever I want.. "There is no MUST". Maybe I shouldn't sin, but even if I am living in sin constantly God forgives me.

God is not partial in the sense you are black, white, red or yellow, rich or poor, man or woman, tall or short, etc...

He is very partial in two things, whether you've accepted His Son or not, and whether you've repented or not.
Any other gospel is a false gospel.

You are right God is not wicked.... and He doesn't allow wicked people into His kingdom.
 
Jude 1:4; For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:10; But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed.
Jude 1:11; Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.

Jude 1:12; These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted;
Jude 1:13; wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever.

2 Pet 2:1; But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
2 Pet 2:2; Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;

2 Pet 2:9; then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment,
2 Pet 2:10; and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties,

2 Pet 2:17; These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved.
2 Pet 2:18; For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error,
2 Pet 2:19; promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.

2 Pet 2:20; For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
2 Pet 2:21; For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.

2 Pet 2:22; It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."
 
If it takes grace to repent you are pushing Calvinism. Partiality. Partiality is wicked. God is not wicked.

Unless you can make a counter argument for how grace given to enable one to repent is not partiality?
I don't even know what a Calvanist believes and in truth I really don't care, but even the wicked Calvansits get some things right...(did you notice the subtle sarcasm there?) KJ Its obvious that you still do not understand Grace.....By Grace are ye saved....yet you cannot have Grace until you repent? How odd....If you do not understand Grace you WILL screw up one huge lot of other scripture. Sorry.
 
which is as a kiss from him?


Bless you ....><>
Put on Christ We know that Christ is not Jesus' last name.... Someone preached on that we put on Christ like we would put on a suit of clothes. So that when people look at us, they see Jesus. Kind of a silly analogy but apt. Grace now.....We have the empowering presence of God enabling us to repent and filling us to salvation KGB Kinda Good Boys!
 
Hmmmm I just looked up Calvinist and what they believe....I still don't know. Probably the reason I don't know what most of those denominations, religions, races are.....I really don't care...If it's not bible I ignore it.
 
You obviously don't know the tenants of Calvinism. Do a google search on the "5 solas". That is Calvinism.
Seriously?

Yes "predestination" is in there too... but the main tenant of Calvinism is OSAS.
We don't need to have a Calvinistic take on their 5 tenants. Just because OSAS is mentioned in calvinism does not make it Calvinist only.

He is very partial in two things, whether you've accepted His Son or not, and whether you've repented or not.
Repentance and acceptance go together.

You are right God is not wicked.... and He doesn't allow wicked people into His kingdom.
Are all in sin wicked?
 
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I don't even know what a Calvanist believes and in truth I really don't care, but even the wicked Calvansits get some things right...(did you notice the subtle sarcasm there?) KJ Its obvious that you still do not understand Grace.....By Grace are ye saved....yet you cannot have Grace until you repent? How odd....If you do not understand Grace you WILL screw up one huge lot of other scripture. Sorry.
Calvinism in essence teaches that God cherry picks some for heaven. When you mention ''grace coming before repentance'' you are implying that God gives some grace to repent as not all repent. That is partiality. That is Calvinism.

I am pretty sure you don't believe this. I am eager to hear you better explain what you mean when you say grace comes before repentance.
 
@KingJ 1. Do you think there is any Christian here, at your church or anywhere in the world that are not guilty of a sin mentioned in 1 Cor 6:9-11? Bearing Matt 5:28 in mind.

-----------------------------1. Born Again Christians do not practice these sins any longer. Jesus sets us free and give us the power to say no. but more importantly he gives us a new heart where we DONT want to do these sins any more because we Love Jesus so much that we know it would upset him.
I didn't ask if we don't want to do them. I asked if we do them. I am not sure why you all going in circles with me on this. It is as though we never had those ''ultra perfect'' members here recently.

I am not espousing we continue in sin. I want us to grasp that the context Paul alludes to in 1 Cor 6:9-11 is in verses 1-8 where he says judge better then the unsaved. IE Paul makes a case for mortal and venial sins. Degrees of stealing.

A repentant thief may steal a single stick of candy from a candy store with a thousand sticks of candy. But he will never steal the last loaf of bread from an orphan.

When Paul became a Christian. He stopped murdering. He never murdered after that day. 100% ceased to murder. But he still battled with lessor sins Rom 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

Let's say you commit adultery and repent to your wife. If after a year she see you watching porn. Will she say ''your repentance meant nothing to me?''. If after a year she saw you with another woman, however. Everyone will know your repentance meant little.

Jesus says do not divorce unless there is ACTUAL adultery Matt 5:32, Matt 19:9. He DOES NOT say divorce if someone has thoughts of adultery Matt 5:28. Jesus makes a case in Matt 5 for mortal and venial sins. Here we come and say sin = sin. Paul would rebuke ALL who teach that. He does this in 1 Cor 6:1-8.

It is high time we stop being silly on sin. The world laughs at us and we bring ourselves / stumble others into ridiculous condemnation.
 
Calvinism in essence teaches that God cherry picks some for heaven. When you mention ''grace coming before repentance'' you are implying that God gives some grace to repent as not all repent. That is partiality. That is Calvinism.

I am pretty sure you don't believe this. I am eager to hear you better explain what you mean when you say grace comes before repentance.
Calvinism in essence teaches that God cherry picks some for heaven. When you mention ''grace coming before repentance'' you are implying that God gives some grace to repent as not all repent. That is partiality. That is Calvinism.

I am pretty sure you don't believe this. I am eager to hear you better explain what you mean when you say grace comes before repentance.
Then you should reread post 27 God's Grace brings about our salvation and repentance both.
 
Calvinism in essence teaches that God cherry picks some for heaven. When you mention ''grace coming before repentance'' you are implying that God gives some grace to repent as not all repent. That is partiality. That is Calvinism.

I am pretty sure you don't believe this. I am eager to hear you better explain what you mean when you say grace comes before repentance.
Again...I don't care what Calvinism teaches. Really....uh....Should I?
 
Let's say you commit adultery and repent to your wife. If after a year she see you watching porn. Will she say ''your repentance meant nothing to me?


its clear you do not know what you are talking about, you dont even know what repentance is.

I was in the same boat one time when I was a catholic I thought I could sin all week and go to the priest confess my sins and I was clean and good to go, it does not work that way. repentance and confession are two different things.
 
A repentant thief may steal a single stick of candy from a candy store with a thousand sticks of candy. But he will never steal the last loaf of bread from an orphan.

You sound like Satan... all wickedness isn't evil.
Let's say you commit adultery and repent to your wife. If after a year she see you watching porn. Will she say ''your repentance meant nothing to me?''. If after a year she saw you with another woman, however. Everyone will know your repentance meant little.

Have you ever been married? My wife feels just a strongly about pornography as if I physically touched another woman. She sees no difference. Neither did Jesus.
Matt 5:28; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

In fact I will share a little personal story here. Most of you know I am divorced. *gasp* sin! I didn't want to be, and I fought against it... but that's another story.
My first wife had two affairs.... the first one was very physical... he was a well built man, younger than me. She told me he was good in bed, but she didn't love him.
Somehow through a lot of prayer and counseling we made it through that.
The second affir wasn't physical at all.... but everytime my wife had a bad day, guess who she would call? She told him things I never knew about her.
When she was feeling sad and blue, guess who she wanted to be around.

Which one of those two affairs do you think bothered me the most?
I asked her years after we were divorced if she ever slept with the second guy, she said no. She had no reason to lie, and she didn't lie about the first one.
One, she gave her body to. The other she gave her heart to.

I will go a little further and say... if you're still watching pornography, you haven't repented at all.
 
its clear you do not know what you are talking about, you dont even know what repentance is.

I was in the same boat one time when I was a catholic I thought I could sin all week and go to the priest confess my sins and I was clean and good to go, it does not work that way. repentance and confession are two different things.
How many venial sins do you commit a day? Be honest.
 
You sound like Satan... all wickedness isn't evil.
In 1 Cor 6:1-8 Paul urges us to judge properly. You have insulted me because I am saying lets judge properly. You judge sin poorly. Like literally 0/100 if you did a test on the subject. Paul would not be impressed with you.

Have you ever been married? My wife feels just a strongly about pornography as if I physically touched another woman. She sees no difference. Neither did Jesus.
Matt 5:28; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Cherry picked scripture. Jesus says FOUR verses down that we 'may' only divorce if there is actual adultery.

In fact I will share a little personal story here. Most of you know I am divorced. *gasp* sin! I didn't want to be, and I fought against it... but that's another story.
My first wife had two affairs.... the first one was very physical... he was a well built man, younger than me. She told me he was good in bed, but she didn't love him.c
Somehow through a lot of prayer and counseling we made it through that.
The second affir wasn't physical at all.... but everytime my wife had a bad day, guess who she would call? She told him things I never knew about her.
When she was feeling sad and blue, guess who she wanted to be around.

Which one of those two affairs do you think bothered me the most?
I asked her years after we were divorced if she ever slept with the second guy, she said no. She had no reason to lie, and she didn't lie about the first one.
One, she gave her body to. The other she gave her heart to.

I will go a little further and ... if you're still watching pornography, you haven't repented at all.
Sorry for what happened to you that is terrible.

I disagree with your discernment though. Adultery was an extremity of sin. An affair is clear evidence that if her heart was in the marriage it jumped right out. Then confiding in someone else is pushing for an affair. Wanting it. Pre-meditated. Actual affair and adultery = 10/10. Pre-meditated dependent on how long it went on for = 6-8/10. Watching porn occasionally is sin, but there is no intent to be unfaithful. It is simply to satisfy a temporary lust of the flesh for most. 2/10. All sin, but varying degrees of wicked intent.

The second hurt you because you grasped her intent.

Read 1 Cor 6:1-8 BAC. You are a smart person. You will grasp what Paul is trying to say.
 
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Greetings all,

do you mind if we get back to the OP and try to address that with a little more focus?

Luke 9:1-2
1Then Jesus called the Twelve together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and power to cure diseases. And He sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to heal the sick.…


Acts 20:24
But I consider my life of no value to myself, if only I may finish my course and complete the ministry I have received from the Lord Jesus— the ministry of testifying to the good news of God’s grace



The Apostles were charged with proclaiming the kingdom of God and Paul the Grace of God?

A freind of mine asked me about this, I never heard a question like this before, anyone else ever hear this and can shed any light on it??

thanks


Bless you ....><>
 
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