Matthew 24 to the Jew only? Why not John 3:16 and John 14 as well?

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@JerryfromMass said (OP)
Pretribbers claim Matthew 24 is written only to the Jew for the Jew to be prepared in the time of Jacob's distress (Daniels 70th week). They argue that it doesn't pertain to the ekklesia, but is exclusive to the Jew because Jesus's audience was strictly Jewish and Jesus's eartly ministry was to and for the Jew. But, they speak in circles when asked why John 3, or John 14, while preached during Jesus's earthly ministry exclusively to the Jews, is for the ekklesia.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are witnesses to the goyim nations, even though they are records of Jesus's earthly ministry. Each of MML&J pertain directly to the ekklesia by virtue of God's preordained plan to provoke Israel to reach the goyim nations with the LIGHT of SALVATION.

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@JerryfromMass said (Reply #3)

Matthew 24 thru Matthew 25. Best if you read each chapter and ask yourself: is Jesus speaking of the same cosmic disturbances prophesied in Joel 2, Isaiah 13, Revelation, and HIS return, that is: the same parousia, as well as the same warnings against deception, the same temple desolation, the same lawlessness, the same persecution cut short, and all the other parallels with, and mentioned by Paul in, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, as well as the parallels mentioned by John in Revelation, i.e., false Christ, wars, famine, martyrdom, great tribulation, celestial disturbances, the Lord's wrath.

All of these parallels are given to each of the authors of each of the separate writings by inspiration of one God. Our God is not a god of confusion; God would not say to one apostle, for example: that parousia means one thing, and then say to another apostle that parousia means somethong altogether different. Same goes fot all of the parallels: each means the same thing and speaks to the same event.

Hello @JerryfromMass,

I believe that Matthew 24 is written only to the Jew for the Jew to be prepared in the time of Jacob's distress (Daniels 70th week).
I agree that God is not a God of confusion. What is your problem?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[JerryfromMass]

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Hello @JerryfromMass,

I believe that Matthew 24 is written only to the Jew for the Jew to be prepared in the time of Jacob's distress (Daniels 70th week).
I agree that God is not a God of confusion. What is your problem?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Thank you. It's no problem, really. I simply reject the notion that God came to earth to Israel ONLY for Israel. Read Isaiah: God clearly had a plan for the gentile nations of the world. True, God ministered to the lost sheep of Israel, but HE did so in order that Israel would be provoked to be light to the gentile world so that the gentile world would also know the one true God of salvation. Therefore, though what God said in Matthew was said to the Jew, God said it to be a witness for the entire world - Jews and Gentiles.

I believe pretib rapture is a hoax, a decption brought about by the same evil one that charmed Eve and caused Adam to sin, which gave us all a sin-nature. Pretib rapture theory has lulled many to sleep and tickled the ears of all too many ever since John Nelson Darby brought it to life and C. I. Schofield brought it to America.

With respect to the time of Jacobs distress, or the 70th week of Daniel, the prophesied cosmic disturbances of Joel 2:31 are precursors to the Day of the Lord. Matthew 24:29 says that those cosmic disturbances come immediately after the great tribulation begins, after the abomination of desolation, and the abomination occurs midpoint Daniel's 70th week. So the Day of the Lord is not seven years long, but occurs sometime after the midpoint of the 70th week of Daniel. Rev. 6 says that the cosmic disturbamce happens at the sixth seal, and the sixth seal takes place after the midpoint of the 70th week. Therefore, the time that antichrist comes to power, and the four horsemen are released, the ekllesia is still present on earth before the opening of the sixth seal.

Pretrib rapture sounds so pleasing and soothing to the hearers ears. I mean, who wants to hear that they might be beheaded during the tribulation? No one, that's who. We want to be comforted with words of escape. True comfort is in knowing the truth of God's word, and God plainly said there will be tribulstion.

From the 1st C., the ekklesia, believers (the BODY of Christ. The Bride of Christ), have been summarily persecuted, rounded up, tortured, butchered, burned, fed to wild beasts, sawn in two, etc, men women and children. This continues to this day. It puzzles me why pastors and felliw believers won't call what the Bride of Christ has endured for nearly 2,000 years TRIBULATION. Calling the summary executions, beheadings, torching, etc, of the Bride of Christ simply persecution is putting people in the west asleep.

I ask you: Is getting beheaded after watching your infant daughter fed to wild beasts tribulation?

Matthew is the only Gospel in which Jesus mentions the ekklesia, and it is the Gospel in which Jesus commemorates the communion of HIS BODY and BLOOD with his believers. It's also the first gospel where Jesus calls for the great Commission to go into the WORLD and be a witness to all the world regarding all that HE had taught and commanded.

Yes, JESUS comes to seize HIS bride (RAPTURE) from the throes of Satan and antichrist, but not before it goes through TRIBULATION, and yet is raptured before God pours out HIS wrath on those that remain on the earth. Then Jesus returns to defeat HIS enemies and rule and reign for a thousand years.

A hard core pretibber will have no issue taking the mark of the beast because they have been lulled into believing they will be raptured before antichrist appears.

I pray that all pretribbers open their eyes: it's coming.

 

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Interesting @JerryfromMass

 

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Thank you. It's no problem, really. I simply reject the notion that God came to earth to Israel ONLY for Israel. Read Isaiah: God clearly had a plan for the gentile nations of the world. True, God ministered to the lost sheep of Israel, but HE did so in order that Israel would be provoked to be light to the gentile world so that the gentile world would also know the one true God of salvation. Therefore, though what God said in Matthew was said to the Jew, God said it to be a witness for the entire world - Jews and Gentiles.

I believe pretib rapture is a hoax, a decption brought about by the same evil one that charmed Eve and caused Adam to sin, which gave us all a sin-nature. Pretib rapture theory has lulled many to sleep and tickled the ears of all too many ever since John Nelson Darby brought it to life and C. I. Schofield brought it to America.

With respect to the time of Jacobs distress, or the 70th week of Daniel, the prophesied cosmic disturbances of Joel 2:31 are precursors to the Day of the Lord. Matthew 24:29 says that those cosmic disturbances come immediately after the great tribulation begins, after the abomination of desolation, and the abomination occurs midpoint Daniel's 70th week. So the Day of the Lord is not seven years long, but occurs sometime after the midpoint of the 70th week of Daniel. Rev. 6 says that the cosmic disturbamce happens at the sixth seal, and the sixth seal takes place after the midpoint of the 70th week. Therefore, the time that antichrist comes to power, and the four horsemen are released, the ekllesia is still present on earth before the opening of the sixth seal.

Pretrib rapture sounds so pleasing and soothing to the hearers ears. I mean, who wants to hear that they might be beheaded during the tribulation? No one, that's who. We want to be comforted with words of escape. True comfort is in knowing the truth of God's word, and God plainly said there will be tribulstion.

From the 1st C., the ekklesia, believers (the BODY of Christ. The Bride of Christ), have been summarily persecuted, rounded up, tortured, butchered, burned, fed to wild beasts, sawn in two, etc, men women and children. This continues to this day. It puzzles me why pastors and felliw believers won't call what the Bride of Christ has endured for nearly 2,000 years TRIBULATION. Calling the summary executions, beheadings, torching, etc, of the Bride of Christ simply persecution is putting people in the west asleep.

I ask you: Is getting beheaded after watching your infant daughter fed to wild beasts tribulation?

Matthew is the only Gospel in which Jesus mentions the ekklesia, and it is the Gospel in which Jesus commemorates the communion of HIS BODY and BLOOD with his believers. It's also the first gospel where Jesus calls for the great Commission to go into the WORLD and be a witness to all the world regarding all that HE had taught and commanded.

Yes, JESUS comes to seize HIS bride (RAPTURE) from the throes of Satan and antichrist, but not before it goes through TRIBULATION, and yet is raptured before God pours out HIS wrath on those that remain on the earth. Then Jesus returns to defeat HIS enemies and rule and reign for a thousand years.

A hard core pretribber will have no issue taking the mark of the beast because they have been lulled into believing they will be raptured before antichrist appears.

I pray that all pretribbers open their eyes: it's coming.

Hello @Jerryfrom Mass,

Thank you for responding as you have.

I believe the events described in 1 & 2 Thessalonians, which men call 'the Rapture' will take place half way through the 70 weeks of Daniel. I believe also that the company called the Bride of Christ will be raptured as described in both 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 2 Thessalonians. 2:1-12 ( * Revelation 20:4-5 ? ). Whereas the Church which is the Body of Christ will 'appear' with Christ when He appears in glory (Colossians 3:4).

- Matthew's gospel concerns the Kingdom, and his intended readership are Jews and Jewish believers. He begins with Abraham.
- Mark's gospel follows the same line, omitting some subject matter which would not appeal to the Gentile proselytes, for whom the account was primarily intended.
- Luke writes for the Gentiles evangelized by Paul. He goes back to Adam.
- John wrote for non-Jewish readers, for it is clear that no Jew needed to be told that the 'Passover' was a feast of the Jews, or that 'Rabboni' meant 'My Master'. The world is the sphere of John's ministry. Also, the fact that Jewish customs are explained. The rejection of the Lord by His own people is at the very forefront of the Gospel. No mention is made of the Lord's Supper, the New Covenant feast. The ascension is emphasized. The 'Word' in John 1:1 is parallel with the 'Image ' in Colossians 1:15. The prayer of John 17 is, among other things, that 'the world' may know. Miracles are not mentioned as such; they are called 'signs'.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[JerryfromMass]

Hello @Jerryfrom Mass,

Thank you for responding as you have.

I believe the events described in 1 & 2 Thessalonians, which men call 'the Rapture' will take place half way through the 70 weeks of Daniel. I believe also that the company called the Bride of Christ will be raptured as described in both 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 2 Thessalonians. 2:1-12 ( * Revelation 20:4-5 ? ). Whereas the Church which is the Body of Christ will 'appear' with Christ when He appears in glory (Colossians 3:4).

- Matthew's gospel concerns the Kingdom, and his intended readership are Jews and Jewish believers. He begins with Abraham.
- Mark's gospel follows the same line, omitting some subject matter which would not appeal to the Gentile proselytes, for whom the account was primarily intended.
- Luke writes for the Gentiles evangelized by Paul. He goes back to Adam.
- John wrote for non-Jewish readers, for it is clear that no Jew needed to be told that the 'Passover' was a feast of the Jews, or that 'Rabboni' meant 'My Master'. The world is the sphere of John's ministry. Also, the fact that Jewish customs are explained. The rejection of the Lord by His own people is at the very forefront of the Gospel. No mention is made of the Lord's Supper, the New Covenant feast. The ascension is emphasized. The 'Word' in John 1:1 is parallel with the 'Image ' in Colossians 1:15. The prayer of John 17 is, among other things, that 'the world' may know. Miracles are not mentioned as such; they are called 'signs'.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Thank you sister.

Do you believe Messiah Jesus is God as John says in John 1?

Do you believe the Bride of Christ and the Body of Christ are two separate and distinct entities?

Peace and blessings.

 

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Thank you sister.

Do you believe Messiah Jesus is God as John says in John 1?

Do you believe the Bride of Christ and the Body of Christ are two separate and distinct entities?

Peace and blessings.

Hello @JerryfromMass,

Yes, I believe that Christ Jesus our risen and glorified, Saviour, Lord and Head, is indeed God made flesh.. I also believe that the Bride of Christ and the Body of Christ are two separate and distinct companies.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[JerryfromMass]

Hello @JerryfromMass,

Yes, I believe that Christ Jesus our risen and glorified, Saviour, Lord and Head, is indeed God made flesh.. I also believe that the Bride of Christ and the Body of Christ are two separate and distinct companies.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Good morning sister,

Could you kindly point to scrpture that clearly informs that the Body of Christ (the Ekklesia) and the Bride of Christ are two separate and distinct beings.

Also, to cite three passages of scripture for our edification, how would you reconcile Paul writing to the Ekklesia in 2 Corinthians 11, namely: "For I feel a divine jealousy for you [the ekklesia], since I betrothed you [the Ekklesia] to one husband, to present you [the Ekklesia] as a pure virgin to Christ."?

And in Ephesians 5:25-27, wherein Paul writes: "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the Ekklesia and gave himself up for her [the Ekklesia], that he might sanctify her [the Ekklesia], having cleansed her [the Ekklesia] by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the Ekklesia to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she [the Ekklesia] might be holy and without blemish."?

And in Revelation 19:7-8, to which "saints" is John referring wherein John writes: "for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."?

Thank you for your time, sister.

Peace and blessings.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Good morning sister,

Could you kindly point to scripture that clearly informs that the Body of Christ (the Ekklesia) and the Bride of Christ are two separate and distinct beings.

Also, to cite three passages of scripture for our edification, how would you reconcile Paul writing to the Ekklesia in 2 Corinthians 11, namely: "For I feel a divine jealousy for you [the ekklesia], since I betrothed you [the Ekklesia] to one husband, to present you [the Ekklesia] as a pure virgin to Christ."?

And in Ephesians 5:25-27, wherein Paul writes: "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the Ekklesia and gave himself up for her [the Ekklesia], that he might sanctify her [the Ekklesia], having cleansed her [the Ekklesia] by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the Ekklesia to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she [the Ekklesia] might be holy and without blemish."?

And in Revelation 19:7-8, to which "saints" is John referring wherein John writes: "for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."?

Thank you for your time, sister.

Peace and blessings.

 

[B-A-C]

I believe that Matthew 24 is written only to the Jew for the Jew to be prepared in the time of Jacob's distress (Daniels 70th week).

Of course Matthew ends with...

Matt 28:18; And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Matt 28:19; Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Matt 28:20; teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Who are "all the nations"?
What are "all the things that I have commanded you"?

 

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Good morning sister,

Could you kindly point to scripture that clearly informs that the Body of Christ (the Ekklesia) and the Bride of Christ are two separate and distinct beings.

Also, to cite three passages of scripture for our edification, how would you reconcile Paul writing to the Ekklesia in 2 Corinthians 11, namely: "For I feel a divine jealousy for you [the ekklesia], since I betrothed you [the Ekklesia] to one husband, to present you [the Ekklesia] as a pure virgin to Christ."?

And in Ephesians 5:25-27, wherein Paul writes: "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the Ekklesia and gave himself up for her [the Ekklesia], that he might sanctify her [the Ekklesia], having cleansed her [the Ekklesia] by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the Ekklesia to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she [the Ekklesia] might be holy and without blemish."?

And in Revelation 19:7-8, to which "saints" is John referring wherein John writes: "for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."?

Thank you for your time, sister.

Peace and blessings.

Hello @JerryfromMass,

You ask me for Scripture to justify my belief that the words 'The Bride of the Lamb' (which is the Scriptural term) and 'The Church which is His (Christ's) Body' are used to describe two different callings.

This I will do (God Willing), but am unable to do so at present, because I am finding using the computer is giving me headaches and I am having to stop using it for a while.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Of course Matthew ends with...

Matt 28:18; And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Matt 28:19; Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Matt 28:20; teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Who are "all the nations"?
What are "all the things that I have commanded you"?

Hello @B-A-C,

If this response is in relation to my expressed belief that the terms, 'The Bride of the Lamb', and 'The Church which is His (Christ's ) Body' refer to two different callings. You must forgive me, but I can't respond to this at the moment, for I am having to remain offline for a while. When I feel able to return I will (God willing) be able to give an answer. Though the verses you have quoted from Matthew 28:18-20 I believe to be self explanatory, and in need of no further explanation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[JerryfromMass]

Hello @JerryfromMass,

You ask me for Scripture to justify my belief that the words 'The Bride of the Lamb' (which is the Scriptural term) and 'The Church which is His (Christ's) Body' are used to describe two different callings.

This I will do (God Willing), but am unable to do so at present, because I am finding using the computer is giving me headaches and I am having to stop using it for a while.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Sister, I pray your health improves. In Jesus's name. Amen.

 

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So this is the "News Stand"?


"Matthew 24 to the Jew only? Why not John 3:16 and John 14 as well?" Really

 

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So this is the "News Stand"?
"Matthew 24 to the Jew only? Why not John 3:16 and John 14 as well?" Really

Yes that is what I also thought - and I am still puzzled as to why a moderator has not moved this over to "questions about Christianity" ??

 

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Could you kindly point to scripture that clearly informs that the Body of Christ (the Ekklesia) and the Bride of Christ are two separate and distinct beings.

'And hath put all things under His feet,
and gave Him to be the Head over all things to the church,
Which is His body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.
(Eph 1:22-23)

Hello @JerryfromMass,

There is no such term as ‘The Bride of Christ’ in Scripture. ‘The Bride the Lamb’s wife’ - yes. At the close of the ministry of John the Baptist, both reference to the Bride and the Lamb disappear from the New Testament until the Revelation given to John on the Isle of Patmos (John 3:29; John 1:29 & 36; Revelation 21 & 22). The New Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God is referred to as the Bride the Lamb’s wife. This city bears the names of the twelve tribes of Israel on its gates, and its twelve foundations bear the names of the twelve Apostles of the Lamb. This is the city for which Abraham looked (Hebrews 11:8-10).

The Bride of the Lamb is a believing overcoming remnant as typified by Abraham who though assured of inheriting the land promised; as one who Overcame by faith, looked higher, to the city whose Builder and Maker is God. The New Jerusalem. The believers listed in Hebrews 11 shared like precious faith, and also looked for that ‘better resurrection’. The first of two resurrections spoken of in Revelation 20:5-6. The resurrection of those who, like themselves overcame by faith, throughout the great tribulation period, and loved not their lives unto death for the testimony of Christ. They will live and reign with Christ for the first 1,000 years of His reign. This is their great reward. This company is referred to as 'The Bride', and in Revelation 19-22, the Lamb is referred to as the Bridegroom.

This is not the hope of the Church which is His (Christ’s) Body., which is the fulness of Him that filleth all in all (Ephesians 1:22-23). This hope was not the subject of Old Testament prophecy, having been ‘hid in God’ since the world began (Ephesians 3:9), but was made known by God to Paul, and administered by Him while in prison at Rome, following the departure into blindness and unbelief of Israel at the end of the Acts period (Acts 28:25): and revealed in the epistles written following that revelation, namely, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon. The hope of this company is to be enjoyed far above all heavens where Christ now sits at God’s right hand, associated as it is with the principalities and powers of Heavenly realms, and not the new earth which is the destination of the New Jerusalem. Its blessings are all spiritual blessings, and it’s hope is to reign with Christ in that sphere.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[JerryfromMass]

'And hath put all things under His feet,
and gave Him to be the Head over all things to the church,
Which is His body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.
(Eph 1:22-23)

Hello @JerryfromMass,

There is no such term as ‘The Bride of Christ’ in Scripture. ‘The Bride the Lamb’s wife’ - yes. At the close of the ministry of John the Baptist, both reference to the Bride and the Lamb disappear from the New Testament until the Revelation given to John on the Isle of Patmos (John 3:29; John 1:29 & 36; Revelation 21 & 22). The New Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God is referred to as the Bride the Lamb’s wife. This city bears the names of the twelve tribes of Israel on its gates, and its twelve foundations bear the names of the twelve Apostles of the Lamb. This is the city for which Abraham looked (Hebrews 11:8-10).

The Bride of the Lamb is a believing overcoming remnant as typified by Abraham who though assured of inheriting the land promised; as one who Overcame by faith, looked higher, to the city whose Builder and Maker is God. The New Jerusalem. The believers listed in Hebrews 11 shared like precious faith, and also looked for that ‘better resurrection’. The first of two resurrections spoken of in Revelation 20:5-6. The resurrection of those who, like themselves overcame by faith, throughout the great tribulation period, and loved not their lives unto death for the testimony of Christ. They will live and reign with Christ for the first 1,000 years of His reign. This is their great reward. This company is referred to as 'The Bride', and in Revelation 19-22, the Lamb is referred to as the Bridegroom.

This is not the hope of the Church which is His (Christ’s) Body., which is the fulness of Him that filleth all in all (Ephesians 1:22-23). This hope was not the subject of Old Testament prophecy, having been ‘hid in God’ since the world began (Ephesians 3:9), but was made known by God to Paul, and administered by Him while in prison at Rome, following the departure into blindness and unbelief of Israel at the end of the Acts period (Acts 28:25): and revealed in the epistles written following that revelation, namely, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon. The hope of this company is to be enjoyed far above all heavens where Christ now sits at God’s right hand, associated as it is with the principalities and powers of Heavenly realms, and not the new earth which is the destination of the New Jerusalem. Its blessings are all spiritual blessings, and it’s hope is to reign with Christ in that sphere.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Sister, you are misinterpreting Revelation 21:2. The operatvie word in that passage for purpose of our discussion is hōs, which is the Greek word for 'as' or 'like'.' Rev. 21:2 says "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as (hōs ) a bride adorned for her husband." The Holy City is not THE bride, but is prepared AS a bride. Big difference.

Also, you seem to overlook that before John's vision of the holy city, John has a vision of the ekklesia in Revelation 19:7-8, wherein John writes: "for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."

The Word of God is crystal clear: the saints, or the ekklesia, is the Bride and the holy city is prepared as or like a bride, but the city is not the Body or the Bride, and the Body of Saints - the ekklesia, the Church, the Body of Christ - is the Bride.

The Bible is clear. And I say this with all love as a brother to a sister in Christ: you are misinterpreting the clear words of God.

Peace and blessings.

 

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Sister, you are misinterpreting Revelation 21:2. The operatvie word in that passage for purpose of our discussion is hōs, which is the Greek word for 'as' or 'like'.' Rev. 21:2 says "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as (hōs ) a bride adorned for her husband." The Holy City is not THE bride, but is prepared AS a bride. Big difference.

Also, you seem to overlook that before John's vision of the holy city, John has a vision of the ekklesia in Revelation 19:7-8, wherein John writes: "for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."

The Word of God is crystal clear: the saints, or the ekklesia, is the Bride and the holy city is prepared as or like a bride, but the city is not the Body or the Bride, and the Body of Saints - the ekklesia, the Church, the Body of Christ - is the Bride.

The Bible is clear. And I say this with all love as a brother to a sister in Christ: you are misinterpreting the clear words of God.

Peace and blessings.

Hello @JerryfromMass,

You have obviously not read my post very carefully, However, I have answered your question, and you have refuted it. That is your prerogative. I will not argue the point with you. However it is obvious that we are not in agreement.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[JerryfromMass]

Hello @JerryfromMass,

You have obviously not read my post very carefully, However, I have answered your question, and you have refuted it. That is your prerogative. I will not argue the point with you. However it is obvious that we are not in agreement.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Of course I read your post. That's why I told you you are not rightly dividing the word of God. Now, I did not use the term "rightly dividing" in my previous answer, but misinterpreting God's word and claiming that misinterpretation as the truth is not rightly dividing God's word. Where did you get such an interpretation in the first place?

Peace and blessings.

 

[B-A-C]

Who will inhabit the New Jerusalem?

Rev 21:22; I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
Rev 21:23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.;

God and the Lamb are in the New Jerusalem (when it comes down out of heaven).

Rev 21:27; and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 22:14; Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15; Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.
Rev 22:16; "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."

The Father, Jesus, and those who's names are in the book of life. Verse 16 says this is "for the churches". Are Gentiles part of the church?

If Jesus and God are in the New Jerusalem, and we will be with Him, then where will we be?

Rom 6:8; Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
2Cor 13:4; For indeed He was crucified because of weakness, yet He lives because of the power of God. For we also are weak in Him, yet we will live with Him because of the power of God directed toward you.
1Thes 5:10; who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him.
2Tim 2:11; It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;

Who were all 4 books above written to? Gentiles.
So if your name is still in the Book of Life when the day comes, and you are part of the church, you will "live with Him" in the New Jerusalem.

John 14:2; "In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.

The New Jersualem is not just for the Jews.

 

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Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.