Can someone plz explain what warfare means?

[Rhema]

Jesus reigns! Jesus has the authority! No one is arguing that point.

Excuse me? There are quite a number of people here on talk Jesus who have argued that point, even saying that Satan is the god of this world. I seem to constantly run into a belief that sounds like this - Jesus reigns! Jesus has the authority! BUT... Satan has control of the world. Satan is in charge of all the governments. Satan sill has power / authority.

This rather perplexes me.

But the enemies are still running around.

Only if we are not doing something about it. (And I feel rather lonely out here all by myself.)

Either they hadn't heard, or didn't believe it when they did hear.

As I've said, most Christians either haven't heard or don't believe it when they hear that Jesus has ALL power / authority on the earth - right now, with all other rule and authority and power already having been abolished.

1Cor 15:24; then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

And bad translations don't help either.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God indeed the Father; when he shall have relinquished all rule and all authority and power.​

(1 Corinthians 15:24 KJV++)​

The end cometh when Jesus relinquishes His "all rule and all authority and power".

God bless,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

No Rhema Jesus did not lie,you quoted something he has always had.

Well, it seems a bit stupid to say that one has just been given something that one has always had.
Why even say it? That, then, itself becomes a lie.
I think I'll take Jesus' words at face value.

Because that is the only way he can be defeated.

And you would know that... how?

Have you ever met any?

If still living then he is still a threat to all believers,

What a wonderful lie of the devil.

and that we know is true.

We do? You might. I'm sure I believe something different.

I think that I believe this:

lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​

(Matthew 28:20 KJV)​

I think the above is true, and if He is with me always, then why in God's name would I think the devil is still a threat to me?

And I think the following is true. Only those who believe Jesus can lie would believe otherwise.

I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.​

(John 17:15 KJV)​

I know power. I've seen power. And I've seen lack of faith. It would seem you believe that either Jesus' prayer was ineffective or that the Father would ignore the Son's prayer. Which might it be? (Or do you have a third alternative?)

And remember ( Matt 4:8-9) How is it that the devil could offer Jesus something if he did not own it?? Hence Jesus did not call him a liar on this,

Why would Jesus need to tell the devil something that both of them already knew ?? The devil just didn't know if Jesus knew it.

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.​

(John 8:44 KJV)​

So you think there is truth in the devil when he spoke in Mat. 4. (Oh well...) In the end, one is left no choice but to conclude that you believe what the father of lies said in Mat. 4, and not what Jesus said in Mat. 28.

Yes, I'm sure I believe something different.

Rhema

I know you did not mean ill with your comment and I sure mean no ill with my reply. blessing!

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

[brighthouse98]

Never saw that road. lol Will not argue believe as you wish. Hell does not ever have good intentions.

 

[B-A-C]

And bad translations don't help either.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God indeed the Father; when he shall have relinquished all rule and all authority and power.(1 Corinthians 15:24 KJV++)

In this particular case, it seem KJV is the lesser translation.

katargeō
kat-arg-eh'-o
From G2596 and G691; to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively: - abolish, cease, cumber, deliver, destroy, do away, become (make) of no (none, without) effect, fail, loose, bring (come) to nought, put away (down), vanish away, make void.

 

[Samson2020]

As I've said, most Christians either haven't heard or don't believe it when they hear that Jesus has ALL power / authority on the earth - right now, with all other rule and authority and power already having been abolished.

Can you see the world ,as it is, as being exactly what God wants it to be for now? And why would He want such?

 

[Samson2020]

No Rhema Jesus did not lie,you quoted something he has always had. All power,He has all power,all I was saying is that within that power he did not destroy the enemy. Do you believe the devil is dead? Because that is the only way he can be defeated. If still living then he is still a threat to all believers,and that we know is true. He sure is no threat to our Jesus! And remember ( Matt 4:8-9) How is it that the devil could offer Jesus something if he did not own it?? Hence Jesus did not call him a liar on this,he just said Go. I know you did not mean ill with your comment and I sure mean no ill with my reply. blessing!

Not true. All things are possible with God, and even the Devil can/could be reconciled. After all He must reign until ALL enemies are put under His feet. I as you was once an enemy and
am under His feet now, but what a glorious place to be.

 

[B-A-C]

even the Devil can/could be reconciled

I don't see any evidence of that in the Bible anywhere. Satan's destiny is set.

Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Rhema]

Will not argue believe as you wish.

Belief is not a wishful matter, but a matter of truth. I have provided scriptural truth. You have chosen to ignore it, and have also chosen to (in essence) run away from my posts.

As Jesus said,

... saying, According to your faith be it unto you.​

(Matthew 9:29 KJV)​

And this is why hell runs rampant on Earth, because His Disciples lack faith.

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?​

(Luke 18:8 KJV)​

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.​

(2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV)​

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

In this particular case, it seem KJV is the lesser translation.

I'm not sure what you mean by "lesser" ...

katargeō
kat-arg-eh'-o

LINK to Liddell Scott Lexicon

A. leave unemployed​

Cambridge Greek Lexicon:

1. Be idle​

Jesus was left unemployed, and having relinquished ALL power and authority back to the Father, shall then be idle. Until then...

For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.​

(Mark 13:34 KJV)​

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It is as when a man, sojourning in another country, having left his house, and given authority to his servants, to each one his work, commanded also the porter to watch.​

(Mark 13:34 RV)​

But the purported disciples of Jesus no longer believe this.

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Can you see the world ,as it is, as being exactly what God wants it to be for now? And why would He want such?

Since the fall, when was the world ever (as it is) exactly what God wants it to be?

This is why Jesus appointed his disciples to continue the work. Are you continuing the work? (Just asking, not saying here that you aren't.)

For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.​

(Mark 13:34 KJV)​

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It is as when a man, sojourning in another country, having left his house, and given authority to his servants, to each one his work, commanded also the porter to watch.​

(Mark 13:34 RV)​

Yet I look around and see those who call themselves believers and disciples actually not believing this.

And why would He want such?

What does God want?

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​

(Matthew 28:19-20 KJV)​

I think the above passage makes it clear what God wants. The "how," however, is not necessarily so clear. But it would seem rather obvious that God wouldn't want the disciple of His Son to disbelieve what the Son says -

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

(Matthew 28:18 KJV)​

Rhema

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

The Bible refers to a "silver cord" which has a connection to our "skull" (golden bowl) that transfers information through our spine to other parts of our body. Spiritual ware deals only in the realm of the spirit and has nothing to do with the flesh even though spiritual evils many times manifest themselves in the physical world, but they are spiritual in nature. You can not use physical weapons to fight a spiritual enemy.

Ecc 12:6 [Remember your Creator earnestly now] before the silver cord [of life] is snapped apart, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern [and the whole circulatory system of the blood ceases to function];
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust [out of which God made man's body] return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return to God Who gave it. (AMP)

2Co 10:3 For though we walk (live) in the flesh, we are not carrying on our warfare according to the flesh and using mere human weapons.
2Co 10:4 For the weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood], but they are mighty before God for the overthrow and destruction of strongholds, (AMP)

Whoa Curtis! Where did you get that?! The Bible refers to a "silver cord" which has a connection to our "skull" (golden bowl) that transfers information through our spine to other parts of our body. Spiritual ware deals only in the realm of the spirit and has nothing to do with the flesh even though spiritual evils many times manifest themselves in the physical world, but they are spiritual in nature. You can not use physical weapons to fight a spiritual enemy.

You need to read that entire chapter!

 

[Samson2020]

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Jesus was fully man, and fully God.

I don't see this as possible. As God cannot die, Jesus did.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,.................... As this verse indicates God is the God of Jesus as well as His Father. All through the OT God continually reminds the reader that there is no other God but Him.
Deu 32:39 Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD.

So how again is your statement valid?

Since the fall, when was the world ever (as it is) exactly what God wants it to be?

This is why Jesus appointed his disciples to continue the work. Are you continuing the work? (Just asking, not saying here that you aren't.)

For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.​

(Mark 13:34 KJV)​

​

It is as when a man, sojourning in another country, having left his house, and given authority to his servants, to each one his work, commanded also the porter to watch.​

(Mark 13:34 RV)​

Yet I look around and see those who call themselves believers and disciples actually not believing this.


What does God want?

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​

(Matthew 28:19-20 KJV)​

I think the above passage makes it clear what God wants. The "how," however, is not necessarily so clear. But it would seem rather obvious that God wouldn't want the disciple of His Son to disbelieve what the Son says -

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

(Matthew 28:18 KJV)​

Rhema

So in effect you do not see that God is in charge of all things just as they are today?

 

[Samson2020]

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Jesus was fully man, and fully God.

Ephesians 1:19-20 ......according to the working of His (Gods) mighty power, Which He (God) wrought in Christ, when He (God) raised him (Jesus) from the dead........... So tell me again
how Jesus was able to die if he was fully God? And why would he need his Father to raise him from the dead?

In John 8:58 it can be argued that "before Abraham was, I am" in this scenario Jesus is not saying he is God as the lower case a nd m are used. When God said tell them I AM hath sent
you all 3 letters were capitalized. Significance is similar to LORD God and Lord Jesus.

Another way of looking at "I am" is simply that He was foreordained to be, before Abraham was born, as He was foreordained before the foundation of the world.
As He spoke in parables your direct assumption is not as you want to believe.

 

[Samson2020]

Do you know why he said this,, yet just a little while later when the deciplies were hiding out in the Room, Jesus walked in through locked doors, and said TOUCH ME I am not a spirit.

what changed from the time that Jesus said to Mary do not touch me, to the time he said to the disciples touch me, he was is in the same form.

That is your assumption.
Firstly when He said what He said to Mary it was early in the morning of that day as it was still dark John 20:1, then later that day in the evening He manifested Himself to the disciples.
Secondly when they first met with Jesus that same evening He said LOOK and showed them his hands and side John 20:20, never mentions anyone touching Him. Then on the eighth day after
He came again and this time told Thomas to put his finger in the nail holes etc.. John 20:27
Not sure where you get that He walked through locked doors as the KJV here just says the doors were shut and He stood in the midst of the them. Never says He opened a door
or walked through one, He just was not there then He was there in both cases. There are numerous accounts of people who should have known Him by sight but did not until He revealed
Himself to them, as though He were able to change His appearance at will. Luke 24:16 ,29-31 Now this accounting in Luke says that first day in the evening that He allowed them to touch
Him, so I have to believe His initial, not final, ascension had occurred or it should go without saying that He would have not allowed them to touch Him until AFTER He had ascended to the Father.

I believe that when He said to Mary that he had not yet ascended to His Father He did so pretty much immediately, then when He came back the same day all power in heaven and earth had been
given to Him. If we are changed in the twinkling of an eye, how long does glorification take?

Lets do understand one thing He was alive in a physical body but since all power in heaven and earth were His He could do with that body whatsoever He chose. Matthew 28 leads one to
garner such info, though it is very limited in it's time line of the accountings of what took place, when, and where. It does not seem to reinforce Luke and John on these matters very well.

If my answer is not to your liking then you'll just have to ask Him. All I originally posted is that He said "do not touch me for I have not yet ascended to my Father" One can only assume
that He did ascend to the Father and come back as He allowed them to touch Him that same day in the evening.
What changed IMO is that He was glorified that day.

 

[Rhema]

So in effect you do not see that God is in charge of all things just as they are today?

Was not God in charge when His Son instituted Regency?

Was your God in charge when after finding His creation good, it was smashed by a serpent?

The scriptures I quoted gave you the answer.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

in this scenario Jesus is not saying he is God as the lower case a nd m are used.

Samson,

In the original monographs of the New Testament, "lower case" did not exist. Please try to stick with reality.

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

I believe that when He said to Mary that he had not yet ascended to His Father He did so pretty much immediately, then when He came back the same day ....

So then we are awaiting the third coming?

(Just trying to keep count.)

Rhema

 

[Samson2020]

So then we are awaiting the third coming?

(Just trying to keep count.)

Rhema

Just identifying that before He ascended to His Father in Matthew 28 He had already said that ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND EARTH had been given to Him. The Question would then
be when did that happen? As He would not allow Mary to touch Him In John 20 until after He ascended to the Father, but later in the same day allowed people to touch Him then something
took place that day that we are not told. Simple reasoning would lead one to believe that He had been glorified, then showed Himself for 40 days. As John states that the things that He did during that time if it were written down the world could not contain the books. How does a man accomplish that? One has to wonder just what did happen during those few hours of the first
day of His resurrection.

If you disagree thats fine but try to be less snide in your remarks as they only reflect your bitterness.

Samson,

In the original monographs of the New Testament, "lower case" did not exist. Please try to stick with reality.

Kindly,
Rhema

You my friend are a very angry person with nothing to add just wanting to tear down anything anyone else has to offer. Therefore I will leave you to your own interpretations as you know best
for you.

 

[Rhema]

You my friend are a very angry person with nothing to add just wanting to tear down anything anyone else has to offer.

Truly, only people caught in a lie (perhaps you would wish me to say mistake?) tend to respond that way. You made a goof, and can't stand that you were called out on it. Does this mean that you're unable to learn? One would hope not.

But it's not angry to point out egregious errors of doctrine that are based upon untrue facts. Here's what I add .... The fact is, small letters did not exist in the Greek language two thousand years ago when the New Testament was first penned, there were only capital letters... so basing a doctrine or teaching on capital letters is an error. Plain and simple. You should tear down your own mistakes, or welcome correction when given. No?

I'm not angry, but I am didactic. (Especially when I know I'm right.)

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

As He would not allow Mary to touch Him In John 20 until after He ascended to the Father, but later in the same day allowed people to touch Him then something
took place that day that we are not told.

I agree that there are a number of accounts in John that are problematic, including the fact that John has Jesus crucified and in the grave before the Passover meal (which Matthew and Mark state that Jesus ate with his disciples).

One has to wonder just what did happen during those few hours of the first day of His resurrection.

Then again, should one speculate with "Simple reasoning"? Or does that cause more problems?

Rhema