The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[Samson2020]

Indeed, ALL are in Adam, but are ALL in Christ ??

Why are ALL in Adam? Because God said so? Yes!

Romans 11:32 "For God hath concluded them ALL in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all."

Romans 5:18 "Therefore by the offense of ONE judgement came upon ALL men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of ONE the FREE GIFT came upon ALL MEN
unto justification of life."

Now why are ALL eventually in Christ? Because God said so? Yes! 1 Co 15:22 "As in Adam ALL die, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive."

I will leave it at this as I do not wish to hijack the thread. Even though this answers a question as to whom did Christ die for? ALL men!

John 12:32 "And I, If I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me." No shall here, it is WILL.
NKJV -will draw ALL peoples to Myself."
NLT - will draw EVERYONE to Myself."
15 translations say the same thing.

1 Ti 2:6 KJV "Who gave Himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time."
NLT "He gave His life to purchase freedom for everyone. This is the message God gave to the world at just the right time."

Do we suppose that of those He ransomed He would be satisfied with just a few or does He expect to receive ALL that He bought?

 

[Butch5]

Hello @Brightfame52,

I have little knowledge of what 'the religion of man' is, thankfully.

I just praise God that He has made it possible for man to be saved from sin's penalty, and be reconciled to Him, by the death and resurrection of His only Begotten Son. That we may have our sins forgiven, receive the gift of righteousness imputed to us, on the basis of His one all-sufficient sacrifice for sin, and receive the promise of life, eternal resurrection life, in and through our Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Praise God!

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Chris,

Brightfame is promoting Calvinism

 

[Butch5]

It all depends if Christ died for them or not. If Christ shed His blood for them they are right with God, but if not, they are not right with God and their sins will condemn the in the last day !

The Bible makes it clear that He died for all. That shows us that Calvinsim's doctrine of limited Atonement is not Biblical. We can go through the other 4 point and show that they are not Biblical also.

My offer still stands, we're both in
Georgia if youd like to do some serious study.

 

[Rhema]

Why are ALL in Adam? Because God said so? Yes!

No, all are in Adam because ALL were born.

(Unless you're not human, ... hmmm....)
.

Yet Jesus said we are to BORN again (or born from above).

Are ALL born again??
No, I mean it's a serious question, were ALL people who have ever died ALL born again?
(I'd play the Hitler card, but it's boring.)

John 12:32 "And I, If I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me." No shall here, it is WILL.
NKJV -will draw ALL peoples to Myself."
NLT - will draw EVERYONE to Myself."
15 translations say the same thing.

Yep, they all say DRAW.... not SAVE.... You think there's a reason why words matter ?? I would politely suggest you look into the word ἑλκύω.

Do we suppose that of those He ransomed He would be satisfied with just a few or does He expect to receive ALL that He bought?

I see you are extremely Pauline in your theology.

Why are ALL in Adam? Because God said so? Yes!

I note you deflected the question....

ARE ALL IN CHRIST ??

In other words, have all died in Christ ?

I will leave it at this as I do not wish to hijack the thread.

(I wonder why...)
.

Rhema

 

[Brightfame52]

The Bible makes it clear that He died for all. That shows us that Calvinsim's doctrine of limited Atonement is not Biblical. We can go through the other 4 point and show that they are not Biblical also.

My offer still stands, we're both in
Georgia if youd like to do some serious study.

He died for all that are saved, His death produces saving results lest you deny the power of the Cross !

 

[Butch5]

He died for all that are saved, His death produces saving results lest you deny the power of the Cross !

No, the Scriptures say He died for all, not all who are saved. Reformation theology is based on a select handful of Scripture passages taken out of conext. Scripture refutes every single point of Calvinism's TULIP. I believe I showed you this passage in our discussion on the other forum. John makes it crystal clear that salvation is for all people.

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light. The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.

John the Baptist came to bear witness to the light. The Light is Christ. Notice what John writes here, "that all MIGHT believe through Him. That means that ALL have the opportunity to believe through Him. Now, I know the typical Calvinist reply will be, all doesn't mean all. However, John clarified for us what he means by all when he says "The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world." John uses the singular every. Literally, everyone coming into the world. So, John tells us by saying all he means every single person.

John's words here flatly refute the idea that Christ only died for a select few.

 

[Samson2020]

John's words here flatly refute the idea that Christ only died for a select few.

I couldn't agree more.

I would ask any and all who see this as only for the few. Why do they want anyone left out? Is that stance the truth that sets you free? Or does it still leave you in bondage to
fear of loved ones etc... being left out?
Why do they not deserve the same grace that you received? Seeing that it was bought and paid for by someone other than you.

 

[Butch5]

I couldn't agree more.

I would ask any and all who see this as only for the few. Why do they want anyone left out? Is that stance the truth that sets you free? Or does it still leave you in bondage to
fear of loved ones etc... being left out?
Why do they not deserve the same grace that you received? Seeing that it was bought and paid for by someone other than you.

Agreed. It reminds me of the same thinking that the Jews had. They were the elect and the rest were dogs.

 

[Brightfame52]

No, the Scriptures say He died for all, not all who are saved. Reformation theology is based on a select handful of Scripture passages taken out of conext. Scripture refutes every single point of Calvinism's TULIP. I believe I showed you this passage in our discussion on the other forum. John makes it crystal clear that salvation is for all people.

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light. The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.

John the Baptist came to bear witness to the light. The Light is Christ. Notice what John writes here, "that all MIGHT believe through Him. That means that ALL have the opportunity to believe through Him. Now, I know the typical Calvinist reply will be, all doesn't mean all. However, John clarified for us what he means by all when he says "The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world." John uses the singular every. Literally, everyone coming into the world. So, John tells us by saying all he means every single person.

John's words here flatly refute the idea that Christ only died for a select few.

Yes, He died for everyone He saves. If a person is lost forever its obvious that Christ didnt die for them, because Christ is the Saviour from being lost. Duh

 

[Butch5]

Yes, He died for everyone He saves. If a person is lost forever its obvious that Christ didnt die for them, because Christ is the Saviour from being lost. Duh

It's no obvious. That's an inference, an incorrect inference. He offers salvation to the world. He doesn't force it. There is nothing in Scripture that says Christ only died for some people. Judas was one of those given to Christ by the Father. Jesus said Judas was lost. Thus, one of Christ's people was lost.

 

[Samson2020]

Judas was one of those given to Christ by the Father. Jesus said Judas was lost. Thus, one of Christ's people was lost.

And even Judas was forgiven by Jesus when He asked the Father to "forgive them for they know not what they do"
Betrayal is part of the maturation process. It cuts deep, but must still be forgiven.

 

[Brightfame52]

John 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Christs own testimony to His own Saving death, hence there isnt one soul for whom Christ died that shall not come to Him or come to believe on Him and follow Him !

 

[Samson2020]

John 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Christs own testimony to His own Saving death, hence there isnt one soul for whom Christ died that shall not come to Him or come to believe on Him and follow Him !

Bingo.

1 Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1 Co 15:22 For as in Adam ALL die, even so IN CHRIST shall ALL be MADE ALIVE.
1 Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christs at His coming.

Eph 1-10 having made known unto us the mystery of His will according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of TIMES He might
gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth even in Him.

Phl 2:9
Phl 2:10
Phl 2:11

 

[QuestionIt]

The religion of man doesn't believe that the death of Christ alone results in the Eternal Salvation of all for whom Christ died, namely His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 or His Church Eph 5:25, or His People Matt 1:21.

His death for His people produces saving results Jn 12:32-33 23,24

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

You believe he DIED really? Even tho you believe he was GOD with an IMMORTAL SOUL???

 

[Samson2020]

You believe he DIED really? Even tho you believe he was GOD with an IMMORTAL SOUL???

Don't get tunnel vision. That will always limit further revelation. What your pressing is anti-trinitarian and I am with you 100%, but you will never change the mind of one that
accepts that doctrine.
Many over the years have gotten a revelation and made a career out of that one revelation. There is much more to be revealed.
All are Gods and when and if He wants them to understand He will get it done.

Peace

 

[QuestionIt]

Don't get tunnel vision. That will always limit further revelation. What your pressing is anti-trinitarian and I am with you 100%, but you will never change the mind of one that
accepts that doctrine.
Many over the years have gotten a revelation and made a career out of that one revelation. There is much more to be revealed.
All are Gods and when and if He wants them to understand He will get it done.

Peace

You believe the Bible- or the Book of Mormon,,, (Which BTW identifies God as Christ)?

 

[Samson2020]

You believe the Bible- or the Book of Mormon,,, (Which BTW identifies God as Christ)?

Never read the Book of Mormon? Have you?

 

[QuestionIt]

Never read the Book of Mormon? Have you?

Yes- not all the way thru- it had so much GARBAGE!

 

[Samson2020]

Yes- not all the way thru- it had so much GARBAGE!

I've noticed that the site uses the NLT which as I understand it has its first copyright posted as 1996. Updated twice and content revised?????? Guess they thought about it some more and
figured they didn't get it right the first 2 times?????
I myself use KJV and do just fine.

 

[QuestionIt]

The KJV has many errors!