God's gift of Tongues Are Not for Private Use

[GodB4Us]

Yes, the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for “private” or personal edification. However; you seem to be missing something; there’s more than just the “gift of tongues.”

There are actually four distinct kinds of tongues of which God’s Word speaks. Not all are for public use.

You've apparently read through the thread “Tongues Required for Regeneration” (which was completely derailed btw) because I saw you recently commented in it. I explained it (with scriptural references) several times in that thread.
Be blessed.

I have not read thoroughly through the thread but if you wish to share those 4 distinct kinds of tongues of which God's speaks, feel free to copy & paste it in your next reply or leave a link to that post in this thread.

Tongues of angels reference in 1 Corinthians 13:1 is a hyperbole BTW. As it is, God's gift of tongues as defined in 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 is a language of men that God uses to speak unto the people through His saints that do not know that language.

 

[Samson2020]

I have not read thoroughly through the thread but if you wish to share those 4 distinct kinds of tongues of which God's speaks, feel free to copy & paste it in your next reply or leave a link to that post in this thread.

Tongues of angels reference in 1 Corinthians 13:1 is a hyperbole BTW. As it is, God's gift of tongues as defined in 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 is a language of men that God uses to speak unto the people through His saints that do not know that language.

i WOULD HAVE TO GUESS THAT SINCE SALVATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPEAKING IN TONGUES, AS IT IS JUST A GIFT THAT COMES ALONG WITH THE INFILLING,
WHICH ONE CAN CHOOSE TO USE OR SUPPRESS, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR PROBLEM WITH THOSE THAT DO CHOOSE TO SPEAK UNTO THE LORD WITH THE
ANGELIC LANGUAGE. THOSE THAT DO SPEAK THAT WAY DO SO IN FAITH. ARE SOME FALSE? SURE. BUT THOSE THAT ARE NOT WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE DAY THEY DIE
AND NOTHING THAT YOU SAY WILL CHANGE THAT. YOU MIGHT AS WELL BEAT YOUR HEAD AGAINST A BRICK WALL AS YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING
THAT WAY, THIS WAY NO!

 

[GodB4Us]

i WOULD HAVE TO GUESS THAT SINCE SALVATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPEAKING IN TONGUES,

Do you correct those in here that says it does or do you just gloss over it?

AS IT IS JUST A GIFT THAT COMES ALONG WITH THE INFILLING,

When it is apart from salvation, it is not of Him at all.

WHICH ONE CAN CHOOSE TO USE OR SUPPRESS, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR PROBLEM WITH THOSE THAT DO CHOOSE TO SPEAK UNTO THE LORD WITH THE
ANGELIC LANGUAGE. THOSE THAT DO SPEAK THAT WAY DO SO IN FAITH. ARE SOME FALSE? SURE. BUT THOSE THAT ARE NOT WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE DAY THEY DIE
AND NOTHING THAT YOU SAY WILL CHANGE THAT. YOU MIGHT AS WELL BEAT YOUR HEAD AGAINST A BRICK WALL AS YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING
THAT WAY, THIS WAY NO!

I am hoping in the Lord to recover some from this snare of the devil because God's gift of tongues were never meant for private use for why I can only ask believers to not only test the spirits but the tongues they bring as the apostle John did in 1 John 4:1-6 God's gift of tongues which is of other men's lips for God to speak unto the people is not going to change directions and start mimicking the pagan's supernatural tongue which is gibberish nonsense as if the Holy Spirit needs to say anything out loud to God when John 16:13 in ALL Bible versions testifies that the Holy Spirit CANNOT speak from Himself but speak only what He hears for why even His groanings CANNOT be uttered when making intercessions for us.

 

[Samson2020]

Do you correct those in here that says it does or do you just gloss over it?

When it is apart from salvation, it is not of Him at all.

I am hoping in the Lord to recover some from this snare of the devil because God's gift of tongues were never meant for private use for why I can only ask believers to not only test the spirits but the tongues they bring as the apostle John did in 1 John 4:1-6 God's gift of tongues which is of other men's lips for God to speak unto the people is not going to change directions and start mimicking the pagan's supernatural tongue which is gibberish nonsense as if the Holy Spirit needs to say anything out loud to God when John 16:13 in ALL Bible versions testifies that the Holy Spirit CANNOT speak from Himself but speak only what He hears for why even His groanings CANNOT be uttered when making intercessions for us.

As I have said many many times over the private use of unknown language in prayer is nothing more or less than the new creature within the born again believer speaking to its Father.
If one cannot do that then you would have to question whether or not they have the Spirit, or are simply suppressing the gift.

 

[Curtis]

1Co 14:2 When someone speaks in tongues, no one understands a word he says, because he’s not speaking to people, but to God—he is speaking intimate mysteries in the Spirit. (TPT)

1Co 14:4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church.

This is for "private" use of speaking directly to God!

 

[GodB4Us]

As I have said many many times over the private use of unknown language in prayer is nothing more or less than the new creature within the born again believer speaking to its Father.
If one cannot do that then you would have to question whether or not they have the Spirit, or are simply suppressing the gift.

First, others have said it is the holy Spirit praying to the Father but John 16:13 says no, the Holy Spirit cannot speak nor utter anything from Himself to the Father or even from Himself to the people when He speaks only what He hears to the people.

Second, now you say it is our spirits that is praying to the Father. Why the gibberish nonsense then? If it is your spirit, then you ought to know what you are praying for and you do not need to speak in gibberish nonsense to do it. Better to know what you had prayed for to give the Father genuine thanks in Jesus's name for answers to prayers.

But yet you do so in gibberish nonsense.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

There is no need to pray in that kind of gibberish nonsense tongue.

 

[GodB4Us]

1Co 14:2 When someone speaks in tongues, no one understands a word he says, because he’s not speaking to people, but to God—he is speaking intimate mysteries in the Spirit. (TPT)

From verse 1, Paul is telling believers that seek spiritual gifts to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts ad began to compare tongues against prophesy t show why; if you bother to read the message thru out that whole chapter , tongues is not a stand alone gift.

1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

There are no mystreries to God so why say he is speaking to God? This is why we need to compare the two references for how Paul was speaking to mean in those days.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Verse 2 in comparison with verse 28 is about God understanding what the man is saying even though the man does not; this is not meaning he is speaking to God because of verse 28 where if there was no interpretation, he is instructed to be silent because he speaks to himself and to God, meaning he understands what he is saying as God does too not that he is "mad" talking to himself and to God.

1Co 14:4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church.

This is for "private" use of speaking directly to God!

No. It does not. Lie I had questioned earlier for verse 2, are there mysteries to God? No. Then was he really speaking to God the way we understand that to mean in English today? Obviously not the same way in the Greek. When reading on as Paul was comparing tongues against prophesy for why prophesy is better, Paul prayed that when he spoke in tongues, he prays that someone else will interpret it because until it is interpreted, he does not understand it nor can that tongue be beneficial, therefore he is not being self edified until it is interpreted.

If Paul was actually claiming self edification, then he would not instruct any one to pray that someone else would interpret that tongue for them to understand it, but he did because when he was comparing tongues against prophesy thru out that chapter is why prophesy is better than tongues, because tongues is not a stand alone gift thus it can never be for private use.

 

[Samson2020]

Second, now you say it is our spirits that is praying to the Father. Why the gibberish nonsense then? If it is your spirit, then you ought to know what you are praying for and you do not need to speak in gibberish nonsense to do it. Better to know what you had prayed for to give the Father genuine thanks in Jesus's name for answers to prayers.

I have always said that it is the newly born again child within us (The New Creature) that is doing the speaking.

"What is it then? I will pray with the spirit (his own) and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit (his own) , and I will sing with the understanding also."

Just because a mans carnal mind does not understand the language spoken, does not make what is spoken gibberish to God. As the prayer is done in faith towards/to God.

You have your opinion but the scriptures trump it.
I will pray in the spirit for I do not necessarily know what I need to pray for, however the spirit of a man knows the deep things
of the man just as the Spirit of God knows the deep things of God. Thus I will let my spirit pray in my stead as it knows the deep things of me and will pray in a manner that
benefits me better than what I might pray with understanding.
This is why Paul states he will pray both ways. He doesn't want to miss out on something better than what he may have been praying for with only the understanding.

 

[God's Truth]

1Co 14:2 When someone speaks in tongues, no one understands a word he says, because he’s not speaking to people, but to God—he is speaking intimate mysteries in the Spirit. (TPT)

1Co 14:4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church.

This is for "private" use of speaking directly to God!

The false nowadays tongue speaking is commonly called a “prayer language.” Those practicing the false tongue speaking believe they are speaking a prayer language, and that in this type of praying it is somehow deeper and more personal than praying with their native language with words they understand. However, that is not scriptural, and that even goes against the Word of God which says you will have a fruitless mind if you pray like that. Surely, a fruitless mind is not something one should be aiming for in personal prayer times.

1 Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

1 Corinthians 14:15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.

It is important to realize that after the believers in the bible had the gift of speaking in tongues for the sign to the Jews…they kept the gift even when the Jews of other languages were not around. Therefore, the tongue speakers spoke only to God when they spoke in tongues they themselves did not understand and when no Jews from other languages were there, because, God, of course, can understand all the earthly languages the tongue speakers were speaking. How is that beneficial to anyone, even to the speaker when they can’t understand what they are saying?

Again, if there were no other people of other languages around to understand the tongue speaker, and if the tongue speaker themselves cannot interpret what they say and there was no other interpreter, then they are to be quiet and only speak to God, and this speaking edified (nurtured) only themselves. Only the real tongues were edifying. Tongue speaking edifies (nurtures) only the tongue speaker when no one understands because the tongue speaker feels blessed that God gave them an amazing gift. How greatly edifying it is for oneself just to have such a gift; that is the only way it edifies when you don’t understand what you are saying.

It is a false edification when one is performing nonsense babbling.

 

[Curtis]

From verse 1, Paul is telling believers that seek spiritual gifts to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts ad began to compare tongues against prophesy t show why; if you bother to read the message thru out that whole chapter , tongues is not a stand alone gift.

1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

There are no mystreries to God so why say he is speaking to God? This is why we need to compare the two references for how Paul was speaking to mean in those days.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Verse 2 in comparison with verse 28 is about God understanding what the man is saying even though the man does not; this is not meaning he is speaking to God because of verse 28 where if there was no interpretation, he is instructed to be silent because he speaks to himself and to God, meaning he understands what he is saying as God does too not that he is "mad" talking to himself and to God.

No. It does not. Lie I had questioned earlier for verse 2, are there mysteries to God? No. Then was he really speaking to God the way we understand that to mean in English today? Obviously not the same way in the Greek. When reading on as Paul was comparing tongues against prophesy for why prophesy is better, Paul prayed that when he spoke in tongues, he prays that someone else will interpret it because until it is interpreted, he does not understand it nor can that tongue be beneficial, therefore he is not being self edified until it is interpreted.

If Paul was actually claiming self edification, then he would not instruct any one to pray that someone else would interpret that tongue for them to understand it, but he did because when he was comparing tongues against prophesy thru out that chapter is why prophesy is better than tongues, because tongues is not a stand alone gift thus it can never be for private use.

Evidently, you do not know the difference between a "ministry" gifts to a "spiritual" gifts." Prophscying is NOT better than speaking in tongues with interpretation as they are both equal. You would have known that if you had read closely in verse 5.

1Co 14:4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church.
1Co 14:5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

Let me highlight that for you.

....one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues unless someone interprets.....

The one speaking in tongues builds himself up " ..one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself..." (notice: this is private use of tongues) which is a "spiritual" gift.

Speaking in tongues with interpretation is a "ministry" gift.

 

[Waggles]

It is a false edification when one is performing nonsense babbling.

And what evidence have you for this outrageous claim ??

 

[Waggles]

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born from above.
3:8 The Spirit breatheth where he willeth, and thou hearest his voice, but knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is every one born of the Spirit.

 

[Waggles]

Jesus spoke the following:
Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16:16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
16:17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
16:18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

 

[God's Truth]

And what evidence have you for this outrageous claim ??

The scripture was given to you. It is edifying just to know you received such an amazing gift as tongues, the real tongues. That is why it is edifying only to the tongues speaker. If the tongue speakers themselves don't know what they are saying, then their mind is fruitless. A fruitless mind is not good.

 

[God's Truth]

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born from above.
3:8 The Spirit breatheth where he willeth, and thou hearest his voice, but knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is every one born of the Spirit.

When we come to Jesus and then believe, it is as drinking his blood. When we obey, it is as eating his flesh. After we eat his flesh and drink his blood, Jesus gives us pure water to drink that means Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit, John 4:10; 14; John 7:38; 39.

 

[Waggles]

A fruitless mind is not good.

Says who?

 

[Waggles]

The scripture was given to you. It is edifying just to know you received such an amazing gift as tongues, the real tongues. That is why it is edifying only to the tongues speaker. If the tongue speakers themselves don't know what they are saying, then their mind is fruitless. A fruitless mind is not good.

And by the way you have not given any evidence for your outrageous slander against praying in the Spirit - again you as usual just offer personal opinion.

 

[Waggles]

When we come to Jesus and then believe, it is as drinking his blood. When we obey, it is as eating his flesh. After we eat his flesh and drink his blood, Jesus gives us pure water to drink that means Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit, John 4:10; 14; John 7:38; 39.

I guess posting scriptures irrelevant to Mark 16 is to be expected from one who has no idea of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus spoke the following:
Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16:16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
16:17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
16:18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

That was to the Apostles.

 

[God's Truth]

Says who?

You think a fruitless mind is good?